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Sebastine1994:
Ethiopia and Nigeriyoure a have one thing in common. Islam vs christain.

the oromo people are Muslims, they are the majority.

while the Tigray are christains, they are like a dot in a circle.

so the oromo president Abiy Ahmed decided to talk to them in a language they would understand. he turned off internet service in the region since the war started.

They don't have state, they have region, based on the tribe. the Tigray were the minority ruling a Muslim majority tribe.


The Amhara and the oromo people have a common enemy . they have decided to commit a genocide by wiping off the Tigray people.

Empiree:
I will urge them to add you

Empiree:
don't worry. You will meet Muslim scholars of the bible there . They are young guys

Empiree:
I don't either. I simply watch and learn. But I'm sure they will test you apart. I sent just Daniel 7 you quoted and they already start bombarding with replies. They will test you sissy and you will realize you know nothing of the bible.

Let just send some

This is just tip of iceberg

Empiree:
lol I respect that. You already feel the heat .

Well if they add you you have option to opt out but before you do so let them know your preference

Empiree:
lol I respect that. You already feel the heat .

Well if they add you you have option to opt out but before you do so let them know your preference

Empiree:
lol I respect that. You already feel the heat .

Well if they add you you have option to opt out but before you do so let them know your preference

ifiokjohn:
Bros can we talk about this on WhatsApp? Nairaland is tiring. It not easy for me to divide your replies and give mine. Whatsapp will be more easier for me.
Add me up on 08167623573 or send me ur digits let me do this adding.

By the way Daniel 7:13-14 was talking about Christ.
He said everything Dominion was given to the person forever.
It said one like the son of Man... ( Who is acknowledged as such if not Jesus)
And there is no how God will give a beast Dominion forever and ever and all nations will bow to him and his kingdom will have no end... Even the devil was given a limited no of time on Earth ...so how come God will give a beast forever?

Read that portion well abeg...

Empiree:
see another fraud. This is talking about Jesus?. Jesus story is NT Wetin concerned Daniel and Jesus .

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with Jesus at all. I haven't seen any biblical exegesis that related this with Jesus. You are so funny. Okay let's assume it is talking about Jesus. This is the verse


After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

It is talking about some demons in succession. So Jesus was part of the demon, I guess.



Yes. In all the 10 commentaries I read about this verse only one tried to relate it with "blood of Jesus". It doesn't take PhD to realize this attempt was fraudulent



So who are we to believe now?. You and SharonLoveth are trying to prove Jesus is equal to God. One of you even said he's God. Now you are contradicting yourself. You guys are confusionists. You are not confident in your doctrine. Maybe you need to read yourself and SharonLoveth's posts and you get to see that you guys are claiming Jesus is God or equal to God. That's why I asked clear cut question but none of you answered.




See again here you said again Jesus is God . God forbid 8 can never be Christian. See confusion. Okay let's do it this way.

Who is Jehovah?

Who is Yahweh?

Who is God?

Who is Jesus?

Are these 4 entities same person or 4 different beings?

Empiree:
whether you answered my questions or not, this is what your problem is. Until you can unravel this confusion in christiandom, Bible will continue to be under microscope.
Chat me up on WhatsApp. Let's chat there. Bring this ur questionns there.. 08167623573








We live in a world where 2 + 2 = 5

Just as 1 + 1 +1 = 1

If you are confused

Who is god?, Jesus

Is Jesus the son of Mary?, Yes

Who created Mary?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus

Jesus is the begotten son., Yes

Who is his father?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Jesus is a servant of God?, Yes

Who is God?, Jesus.

Jesus died on the cross?Yes

Who resurrected him?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus

Jesus is a messenger?, Yes

Who sent him?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Did Jesus worship while on earth?, Yes

Whom did he worship?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Did God have a beginning?, No

Then who was born on 25 DEC?, Jesus.

Who is God?, Jesus

Where's God?, In heaven

How many are there in heaven?, Only one God.

Where's Jesus?, He is sitted on the right hand of his father.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Then how many are they in heaven?, Only one God

Then how many seats?, One

Where's Jesus?, Seated next to God.

Then how are they seated?, On one chair

Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.

Who is God? Jesus.

Ha haha what a confusion.

So beautiful to be a Muslim.

Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and grant us His straight path for us not to go astray



ifiokjohn

Empiree:
this is your belief and you are entitled to it. I tried to open your mind to see flaw in your RELIGIOUS texts.



what I dislike most about you is talk without reference. Even though I know your references sometimes I chose to ignore. Reason you can't quote in most cases is because most of you guys heard these things from pastors without knowing details.



you don start again?. In what context Bible talks about sitting besides God?. Isn't after his alleged ascension



refer to your Bible in the story of crucifixion.



this referred to who and what are you trying to prove?. I don't want to be too forward on this. Your reply to this specific verse will determine my response.



oh I see. Psalms 110:1 refer to Jesus, abi?. Your problem is translation. You need to revisit original Hebrew text for proper understanding. The person addressed in Psalm 110:1 (Jews believe he's David, Christians believe he's Jesus) was never actually called "God". He was called "Adoni", which is a term given to human kings for honor and respect (my Lord, my king, etc...).


Notice the liars of the English translators from the polytheist trinitarian pagans say "The LORD said to my Lord...." to create the impression that "LORD" is used for both GOD and Jesus equally in a sense that the two are the same in one; that Jesus is equal to GOD and he is GOD! May they burn in Hell for Eternity for all of the lies they invented against GOD Almighty. Ameen! Their deliberate choice in using "lord" twice as opposed to using the more proper translation such as "GOD said to my master"......



what was he if he was more than a man?. Is Jesus God?. Yes or No?




lol ba tan. You ended up with my submission. Now, are you ready to learn about throne from islamic perceptive?





even better. So you didn't see footprint of Paul in all of these?.



gbagaun you swim in your own confusion. You guys need to come to Muslims to teach you Bible. You don't know anything but you think you do. With your eyes wide open you don't see your confusion and contradiction?. I don't blame you actually. Jesus himself caused the problems for you guys because, his message was only for the lost sheep of Israel. But as for the gentiles, he spoke to them in parables so that they would not understand. The reason is Jesus doesn't want you to be forgiven that's why he didn't communicate in plain language to the gentiles. He knew that if you understood his message you will turn away from worshipping him and calling him God, son of God, spirit and all that types of rubbish he didn't call himself and sick for forgiveness. But he didn't want you to be forgiven. Jesus himself said that you will see the texts but you will never understand it even if it is explained to you by muslims only few of you will understand how true message.

Read Matthew 13 from verse 10


10. His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?


11. He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them

You can see verse 11, the gentiles like you can not understand. But he spoke clearly to the Israelites.

13. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand

Read further and you realized that your heart had been sealed centuries ago. It is a curse on every Christian by Jesus. You will read texts of the bible but you will never understand. Read 15.

Read verse 16 he's talking to his desciples because those are the people he was sent not you. You are just wasting your time.


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don't jump the gun. Animal sacrifice was later option. First option was human sacrifice to test Abraham's faith. Then replaced with animal till today. Now Christian brought back human sacrifice by claiming blood of innocent man must be shed to redeem them. How absurd this is.



this is fabrication and scam of all time.
The 6th commandment of “Do Not Murder” is clear and its consequences are elaborated in Genesis 9:6; “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed. Hebrews 5:7-8 even gives clear picture that Jesus didn't want to die. He sobbed and scared.


"During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered"


Now, why would Jesus die for your sin when your Bible said this?. Ezekiel 18:20


The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.


See also Deuteronomy 24:16, 2 CHRONICLES 25:4



perfect man you said . A "perfect man" that went to steal on a farm that didn't belong to him, Matthew 12:1 Jesu ati awon emewa re lo si oko oloko lo ji agbado alagbado



Isn't obvious you don't read your Bible?. Many times Paul confessed to lying or caught lying


"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" (Rom. 3.7)

This is where christians learned evangelism by lie.


"Though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. But be it so: ... nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with deceit." (2 Cor. 12.15-16)



As a "man that strive for the mastery" (1 Cor. 9.25), Paul expounds to the church leaders the modus operandi of the successful propagandist:

"I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. ... I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23).



And he admits to the church of Corinth: "I robbed other churches ... to do you service" (2 Cor. 11.. What did the church tell you to secure your commitment to Christianity? Was your preacher, minister or priest like Paul?. Examples exhibited by Paul is exactly what many pastors and Christians do today especially in NIGERIA.




Paul never met Jesus. Open your eyes. Paul was a scammer. He changed everything Jesus stood for.



Therefore let us leave principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Hebrews 6:1


This is clear enough that what Christians believe it's Paul teachings not Jesus. Paul taught "blood of Jesus", trinity, divinity of Jesus, sonship etc




enough said above



see you there. You recognized fact I'm telling you and still confused yourself?. God didn't want it human blood sacrifice. This is Paul's pagan teaching.

Empiree:
This is blasphemy. If God sits on His throne it means God is restricted. It means He depends on his creation, throne. So if your Bble says God sits on the throne, Bible is faulty. Besides, i will like for you to quote the Bible verse for us to see. Most likely the statement was made by unknown author. Bible is full of Blasphemous statements.



you are just going in cycle here. I think I asked you a simple question before. I also said every human being preexisted and I quoted verses from Quran how every human being made covenant with God but when we come to earth we have no memory. I also said that your unborn children at this moment, where do yo think they are right now?. As for who is greater than who is pretty much irrelevant to muslims. We have been cautioned by Quran to be careful of making distinctions amongst prophet and messangers. The most important thing is, Jesus was a full human being like you and I. The only thing that distinguished him from us is becuase he was a prophet, messanger and strengthened with Ruh Qudus by God.



Just becuase I quote from your ible doesnt mean I take everthing there hook, line and sinker. Bible is full of blasphemous statements. Have ever came across the bool, "Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Friedman?. That should open your eyes. Back in 2015 I talked a lot about authors of the Bible. There are so many unknown authors which makes Bible unreliable. God doesnt sit on His throne. Rather, He is above His throne. I quoted Quran to back this up before.



You christian keep shooting yourselves in the foot. first all, I quoted before that "God is not a man" Numbers 23:19. Who are we to believe, you or your Bible?. Second, if he wanted to die for your sin, why then he dried to God on the cross? Matthew 27:45-50

The whole idea of Jesus dying for your sin was idea of Paul not teachings of Jesus. Paul changed Jesus teaching. what Jesus taught was you pray to God for forgiveness of sin not "blood of Jesus". Paul’s rationale is without foundation. His knowledge of “science” was limited to what he knew of Old Testament stories. If one acknowledges the truth of evolution, then one must also acknowledge that Paul’s conclusion, “Jesus Died For Our Sins” is based on a false, Old Testament verse and therefore cannot be true.

Theological Problem I

Paul is the only person in the world to write that Jesus died to redeem you from the sin of Adam and Eve. Jesus never said that his death was to redeem anyone. Is it likely that God would rely on a man whose teachings were diametrically opposite (faith vs works, Gentiles vs Jews) to those of his “Son” to pass on the most important idea in all of Christianity? Is it probable that God would let the salvation of all mankind rest on one man’s single sentence which is entirely opposite to the message Jesus presented in the synoptic gospels? Why would God, all of the sudden, change the message that He sent His "only begotten Son" here to promulgate? And why would he entrust this HUGE change to be disseminated by a mere mortal?

This is a BIG problem.


That line of reasoning aside, exactly how would “God sacrificing Himself to Himself to save Christians from Himself” work? How does that remove the sin of Adam and Eve? It is only by the convoluted thought process of Paul that you are saved because of the God/Jesus “sacrifice”. Surly an omnipotent, omniscient, loving, merciful, just God who created everything in six days could come up with something other than killing himself/his son. How about just declaring forgiveness?. This is mean Bible lied about forgiveness and justice. It is unjust to crucify one man for the sin of mankind. But, for the sake of argument, let’s grant that “Jesus died for our sins”. In that case, then the sin is gone. Why is it required that one has to believe in Jesus’ Resurrection in order to be saved? The sin of Adam and Eve was redeemed with Jesus’ death. It’s gone! It’s no more – ever! Once and for all. It’s off the backs of everyone who lives after Jesus’ death. What then, does believing in Jesus’ Resurrection have to do with being free from original sin? It has already been redeemed. Why are you only “saved” if you believe that Jesus was Resurrected? What does one’s belief have to do with salvation? But that’s another story.



The Credibility of Paul

Because Paul’s “Jesus Died For Your Sins” theology is the centerpiece of Christian doctrine, it is incumbent to investigate Paul’s credibility. There are several reasons to doubt that Paul has any credibility whatsoever.


# Paul has no God given authority to speak. Seeing an apparition does not give one the authority to speak for God.

# At one point, Paul does claim his knowledge comes from “Revelation” but it is faulty and contradicts what Jesus taught (Hebrews 6:1). He does not elaborate on this “Revelation”.

# Paul contradicts himself.

#Paul makes promises of things that did not happen.


There is no such thing as Jesus died for sin of the wrld". The Bible says

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die". Ezekiel 18:20




you see you going in cycle again. cant you people think things out?. This is why Christianity makes no sense. If he can forgive sin, why must he shed his blood to save the world?/ If he wants to forgive he could simply just forgive, isnt?. At the same time you said he is God and also his own creation nailed him on the cross. Please think things out.


WHY COULDN'T GOD SIMPLY JUST FORGIVE THE ISREALITES OR INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR SINS DOING THE OLD TESTAMENT...WHY MUST HE ASK FOR ANIMAL SACRIFICES. IF YOU CAN ANSWR THAT THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE REASON JESUS HAD TO DIE





Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19


NOW YOU SEE WHAT WE ARE SAYING THERE...JESUS SEES GOD THAT'S WHY HE SAYS THE SON CAN DO NOTHING EXCEPT WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING.
THATS TO SHOW JESUS EXISTED WITH THE FATHER AND WATCH HIM DO ALOT THINGS AND JESUS IS DOING SAME.



"I can of mine own self do nothing:.." John 5:30

I NEVER TOLD YOU JESUS CAN ON HIS OWN DO ANYTHING. HE CAN ONLY DO SOMETHING BY HIS FATHER.


If Jesus forgive sin, whats the essence of "Thy Lord's prayer"?. He taught the people how to pray and ask for God for forgiveness.

HE TAUGHT THE PEOPLE THAT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS FROM GOD WHEN THEY SIN... JESUS CANT BE EVERYWHERE TO TELL EVERYONE YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN... THAT PARABLE ALSO IS JESUS EMPHASIING THE NEED FOR THE PEOPLE TO ALSO FORGIVE THOSE WHO WRONG THEM SO GOD CAN FORGIVE THEM THEIR SINS TOO.



Empty talk without evidence


This is Father(God) forgiving them. Anyone can forgive anyone. How is this big deal?. We have seen American Muslim dad whose son was killed and he forgave killer of his son but the law didnt forgive the killer. We have seen Iranian woman whose son was murdered and he forgave the killer and asked Iranian court to forgive her son's killer in the last seconds to execution and the guy was forgiven. Where problem lies is if someone doesn't ask for forgiveness until death, ONLY GOD decides to forgive or punish. No human being can do that not even Jesus. We can only forgive sin we committed against or amongst ourselves.
YES ANYONE CAN FORGIVE SOMEONE WHO WRONG THEM PERSONALLY BUT CAN YOU FORGIVE THE SINS OF ONE WHO DIDNT WRONG YOU BUT ANOTHER PERSON.
CAN I FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE PERSON WHO KILLED THAT AMERICAN MAN SON WHEN IM NOT THE ONE WHOSE SON WAS KILLED?
JESUS FORGAVE THE SINS OF THE ADULTRESS EVEN THOUGH HE WASNT THE ONE THAT WAS CHEATED ON.

WE ALSO SAW HIM FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE CRIBBLED MAN EVEN THOUGH THE CRIBBLED MAN HAS NEVER WRONGED HIM ( TO THE EXTEND EVEN THE PHARISEES ASKED WHO IS HE TO FORGIVE SINS, ONLY GOD CAN.)
DO YOU KMOW MORE THAN THE PHARISEES?





No, Jacob fought and beat up God Genesis 32:28
LOL JECOB FOUGHT AND BEAT UP GOD REALLY? ARE YOU THAT DULL OR WHAT? I WON'T ANSWR TO THIS CAUSE THIS IS WRONG.

his one is boring. You may never uderstand.


Oh yea?. But Jacob seen God and he lived

WHEN THE JECOB SEE GOD ABEG? NOW I KMOW YIU REALLY LACK THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE BIBLE TO BE SAYING JECOB SAW GOD. REALLY? JECOB FOUGHT WITH AN ANGEL OF GOD. EVEN THAT PASSAGE SAID AN ANGEL OF GOD VISITED HIM AND THEY WRESTLE TILL MORNING..


"So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” Genesis 32:300

WELL FOR SEEING AN ANGEL FACE TO FACE...I WONT EXPECT LESS...BUT HE NEVER SAW GOD CAUSE JECOB WAS BUT A MAN HOW THEN CAN HE SEE GOD?



No, he did not. being 'son of God" is not automatic ticket to see him.
BEING SON OF GOD IS MORE THAN AUTOMATIC TICKET. HE ISNT JUST SON OF GOD BUT THE WORD OF GOD. WHICH PROPHET HAVE EVER BEEN CALLED THE WEALTH OF GOD? IT WAS THROUGH JESUS EVERYTHING ON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN WERE CREATED EVEN THE ANGELS.... READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION OGA.



All these are heresies. If he is the judge, how come he will deny you guys?. Matthew 7:23


REALLY? DENY US? WHY WILL HE DENY US? YES ALOT OF CHRISTIANS WONT GO TO HEAVEN BUT SO MANY MORE WILL...SO HOW IS THAT DENYING US?

Guarantee his followers? but he will send them away in Matthew 7:23
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FAKE ONES. THERE ARE ALOT OF FAKE PROPHETS PASTORS ETC BUT THEYRE STILL GENUINE ONES THOUGH THEY'RE.NOT MANY BUT THEY AROUND.




prove it from your bible that Christians are followers of Jesus?. Tell us what Jesus do that you do today?. Tell us where Jesus mentioned Christianity or Christian in the Bible?.

JESUS DISCIPLES WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH ....SO IF HIS DISCIPLES WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS. THOSE AT THAT TIME WHO BELIEVED IN HIS DISCIPLES AND FOLLOW THEM WHERE ALSO CALLED CHRISTIANS AND THATS HOW THE NAME STICKED...SO TO THIS DAY..THEYRE CHRISTIANS.

prove this from your Bible. Jesus message didnt reach Antioch His message was restricted to lost sheep of Israel. You are followers of Paul. Show me one practice of Jesus that Christians do?

JESUS WAS RESTRICTED TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL BUT HE CHARGED HIS DISCIPLES TO GO TO THE END OF THE EARTH AND PREACH THE GOSPEL. ABI ARE ISREALITES ALSO IN THE ENDS OF THE EARTH TOO?
BEING A FOLLOWER OF PAUL ISNT BAD CAUSE PAUL IS A FOLLOWER OF JESUS ..

REMEMBER AFTER BEING BLIND BY THE LIGHT REMEMBER IT WAS JESUS THAT SENT ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES( ANANIAS) TO HEAL HIM...SO IF JESUS DID SEND HIS DISCIPLE TO HEAL PAUL THEN TRULY PAUL BECAME SAVE AND IS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST
WE CAN ALSO SEE PAUL WHEN ON A WHPLE.LOT OF MISSIONS WITH DIFFERENT JESUS DISCIPLES LIKE SIMON PETER, LUKE ETC.
IF PAUL WAS FAKE... WON'T THEY HAVE REVEALED HIM?... THINK BRO.

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I can't respond to you properly until you fix your reply

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed. *I didn't deny my Bible.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually. Hmm thank you for bring thing seraphim stuff self.
For you to say Good don't have a Throne or don't sit on a throne show that truly you Muslims lack.knowledge of the Bible And are hypocrites.
Even from the art of the Convenent that God ask the isrealites to build we can sit how God put it and there is a throne there.
So you mean God will just put something there just for putting sake?



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla". My pastors are not the prophets of old like Jeremiah. This is a vision of heaven Bros. Not just one vision. Not an ordinary vision.
See try uselessing the Bible vsions and you will see you uselessing the Quran. Wish I knew more about the Quran I would have used it against this nonsense you just put here..
For goodness sake this is gibberish.
How can you say a vision of heaven where a prophet of God eyes was open and he saw one like the son of man on the throne is just an ordinary vision....damn. this is an all.time low in itself


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?
Every prophet of old has the holy spirit in them... without the holy spirit no prophet will be able to do a single miracle. The holy spirit is a spirit of God..
I thought you didn't believe in the holy spirit before...you see you�

By the way Even John the Baptist himself Accord Jesus much respect cause he knows who Jesus is. Remember who when John was born first before Jesus and yet...John say that he is not worthy to baptize Jesus or to remove his sandals. Remember what he told the Pharisees?




talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.

No prophets on Earth has ever saw God... None at all and Jesus saw God because he wasn't just a man or prophet.

Don't bring me the case of Moses I have already trashed that and gave you an instance of what the Bible meant with the case of Jecob but unfortunately you lack the wisdom to understand or you just know that I'm right but to try to seems right...u trying to manover "

Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.
Nope... They didn't see God. They saw God sit on a Throne but they didn't his face cause no man can see God face and live.
We can see that when we go to the book of Revelation. When John in a vision of heaven said what he saw step by step. He saw God but couldn't see his face. That is the same thing those people saw. If they did see God they will tell us what God face look like... They would've written it down



Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.
He was made flesh and dwelled amongst us* for someone to be made flesh it means he also has to do the things humans do.
How will.you save a people if you don't feel their pain, they anguish, their joy? When you don't behalf or eat like them?
How then will.you call.them.to God.
If Jesus was meant to die for our salvation...it perfect he has to feel the pains and everything that comes with it.
In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.
No the problem.is you. Even the Bible keep making you understand that the son of God took.the flesh of human( meaning he has to be like human through and through.) To be accepted into the community of human.
Imagine someone that don't eat, don't feel pain, etc..
Would he be followed? Would he had been able to die on the cross for his people has it has been foretold?


see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.
Unfortunately you guys truly don't have the holy spirit. Reasons I believe Muhammad was fake. Without the holy spirit you can't do a single miracle and for Muhammad not.to talk about the spirit of God ...then that goes alot to show who Muhammad really is. An impostor.


. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?. Lol you keep telling me this nonsense ... They re numerous prophets doing the time of moses.. in the time of Jeremiah we have more than two prophets ...can we say that they are the way too? Two ways?

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43
John the Baptist called his people to the right way and yet he begged Jesus to baptize him. He said he is not worthy to untied the sandals of Jesus.
Etc. Read about his talk with the Pharisees then come back and correct this

"Verily, you(muhammad) are on a Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)



But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

Graysons:
What do you mean that i should not blame them? Ijaws too are in Rivers state for long and they have indigenize with Rivers people as well, does it mean that Bayelsa people have the right to vote for who they please?

What the igbos are doing in Rivers State,is what the northerners are doing in Nigeria, some northerners are not even from Nigeria but Nigerie. That means they Nigeriens have every right to vote in Nigeria since they have been in Nigeria for so long, and indigenize with Nigerians.
The igbos are just as evil as the northerners

Graysons:
The correct question is why are the igbos who claims that their biafra will be all about just and fair, team up with the ikwerres to oppress others then trun around to blame the northerners and yorubas?
I have nothing against ikwerres, without igbos the ikwerres are powerless!

Graysons:
So in other words the igbos are worst than the hausa/fulanis and no sane ijaw man or woman in his or her right mind should support any demonic biafra? Cause Nigeria is heaven compare to that biafra?

Ubongikouwem:
Is Akwa Ibom State not part of Nigeria?

With huge allocation, one over ripe paw paw has not commissioned a single project in 6years

Graysons:
Oh so ijaws are part of Rivers State? wonderful! I thought that there are no ijaws in Rivers State

Graysons:
Oh so ijaws are part of Rivers State? wonderful! I thought that there are no ijaws in Rivers State

Empiree:
good question.

Intercessor is a person who intervenes on behalf of another. So prophet muhammad S.A.W pleads on behalf of Muslims to be granted paradise.


The mediator assists and guides towards their own resolution. The mediator does not decide the outcome. Machizedek had no mother or father..yes he could be Jesus Christ but I don't know about that.
After all even angels have come to earth and behave like humans but humans never knew.

By the way Your Quran is forever wrong it try to copy the Bible but it lacks the insight.
Something that come lata can never be more original than the thing that came bfore it...it impossible.

Muhammad is not alife. He died and he is forever dead. Not interceding on behalf of any Muslim. Someone that is dead can't interceed on your behave.
If Jesus didn't rise then he won't be our intercessor because he is dead but no, he rised up again. So he is our intercessor. He is the middle man between God and man.

Even Jesus said in his own word...none has seen the father except the son. None knows the father except the son

But Moses at no time ever saw God. He saw the back of God. Not God but yes God spoke to him as he spoke to him in the burning tree.

If sitting at the right hand of God indicated piousness ... even Elijah would have been told to sit down at God right hand. Alot of people would have been told too.

You see no one really knows the origin of Machizedek...he was an high priest of God and the Bible told us that Jesus is the only high priest of God. It means then that Machizedek was "Probably" Jesus.( Remember he had no father or mother..no one knew his origin)



then Moses, Jacob, Elijah and good people that are sons and daughters of God are also in the same position of Jesus because they are sons as well.



ko ye e ni. Sitting at the right hand of God is symbolic. It means spiritual presence not physical. In another word, Jesus was moved closer to God in divine presence which Quran alluded to. Hence, it is a metaphorical statement. It doesn't mean Jesus is sitting next to God or seeing God. It is the same as speaking about pious person. We say "that man is close to God". QUR'AN says the same thing about Jesus. It says Q3:45



(Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."


So "sitting at the right" hand of God or close to God indicates PIOUSNESS



Lie. To sit on a throne means that throne is physical that provides comfort. So to sit on the throne belittles God if your understanding is literal. This is why I said earlier that it is symbolic. So God doesn't sit on a throne. He is above the throne. If Jesus sits on the throne means that Jesus is not coequal with God.


QUR'AN says


Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]
You said God don't have a throne but yet I'm seeing "Rose over the Throne in this your Quran...can you make me understand?


So you can see that God is above the throne but you said Jesus sits in the right hand of God. You don't know anything The Bible says the Kingdom of God suffereth violence...you hear the word "Kingdom".. and in my English. Any place that is a kingdom must have a King or a Queen...so then who is the king of God kingdom if not God ?


but some of your Bible scholars said Melchizedek is Jesus Christ Jesus is greater than himself?. You go tire for here. Yet Bible says Melchizedek doesn't have father, no mother, no relatives, no beginning, no ending. But Jesus had mother. Jesus had beginning and ending (he died on the cross)



are you saying your Bible lies?. I proved from your Bible that Jeremiah and Job preexisted.


same God created Jesus, isn't?


I showed you evidence that Job and Jeremiah preexisted like Jesus also claimed he existed before earthly life. But you said no human preexisted

1. Jesus had a premortal existence. John 1:14, John 1:1

2. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Her. 1:5

3. Job had a premortal existence. Job38:4,7.....For Goodness sake job had no premortal existence. Read the Bible with clear insight abeg

4. All mankind premortal existence Deuteronomy and Corinthians 29:36-38, Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:22-28.

So you can see preexistence in your Bible.




since you don't understand your Bible, QUR'AN will clear the air.



Q7:172

And recall (O Prophet) when your Lord brought forth descendants from the loins of the sons of Adam, and made them witnesses against their ownselves. asking them: 'Am I not your Lord?' They said: 'Yes, we do testify.' We did so lest you claim on the Day of Resurrection: 'We were unaware of this.'



preexistence is soul not physical and we don't have recollection of it.lol ...let assume preexistance is soul as you said. Jesus Christ was never said to have existed in heaven as a soul.
Even my understanding of what you might mean...you mean the souls were in heaven but didn't have knowledge of their existence or where they were or whatever?

But even Jesus Christ said... He knows the father and the father knows him and he will reveal the father to whoever he wants....he also said "None as seen the father except the son"...tell me does that also not to be taken literally?...if so, then others prophets would have said to have seen God face to face just as Jesus.



yet you believe Jesus sits next to God you are obviously denying your first Bible verse

....Even Stephen in his vision of heaven before his death...talked about how he saw the heavens open and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God....
Even your Muhammad have never said to have gone to heaven talkless of being welcome and told to sit beside even a common angels self....
Ex 33:11


Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.
The Lord spoke to Moses through an angel.. an angel is a representative of God ...so if one speaks to an angel..it like he speaks to God.

After all we see the part where jecob wrestle with an angel of God...but he was said to have wrestle with God and man and won.
Oga think jor. Don't be dumb.

By the way I never told you Jesus is equal with God. Jesus is a creation of God( God words) that became man and dwelled amongst us. Jesus is not God the Father but God the son.

Remember what 1 John said... In the beginning was the word and the word was with God( the word there meaning Jesus was with God right from the beginning)... It wasn't muhammed that was with God. Wasn't Moses, was jecob, was Abraham but Jesus.
If Jesus is said to be with God in the beginning truthfully then it means he is God too because through him ( Godwords) the world and everything was created.

No prophets or what's over was said to have been with God doing that period.

Oga reason na

Why are you denying your Bible on social platform

Empiree:
good question.

Intercessor is a person who intervenes on behalf of another. So prophet muhammad S.A.W pleads on behalf of Muslims to be granted paradise.


The mediator assists and guides towards their own resolution. The mediator does not decide the outcome. Machizedek had no mother or father..yes he could be Jesus Christ but I don't know about that.
After all even angels have come to earth and behave like humans but humans never knew.

By the way Your Quran is forever wrong it try to copy the Bible but it lacks the insight.
Something that come lata can never be more original than the thing that came bfore it...it impossible.

Muhammad is not alife. He died and he is forever dead. Not interceding on behalf of any Muslim. Someone that is dead can't interceed on your behave.
If Jesus didn't rise then he won't be our intercessor because he is dead but no, he rised up again. So he is our intercessor. He is the middle man between God and man.

Even Jesus said in his own word...none has seen the father except the son. None knows the father except the son

But Moses at no time ever saw God. He saw the back of God. Not God but yes God spoke to him as he spoke to him in the burning tree.

If sitting at the right hand of God indicated piousness ... even Elijah would have been told to sit down at God right hand. Alot of people would have been told too.

You see no one really knows the origin of Machizedek...he was an high priest of God and the Bible told us that Jesus is the only high priest of God. It means then that Machizedek was "Probably" Jesus.( Remember he had no father or mother..no one knew his origin)



then Moses, Jacob, Elijah and good people that are sons and daughters of God are also in the same position of Jesus because they are sons as well.



ko ye e ni. Sitting at the right hand of God is symbolic. It means spiritual presence not physical. In another word, Jesus was moved closer to God in divine presence which Quran alluded to. Hence, it is a metaphorical statement. It doesn't mean Jesus is sitting next to God or seeing God. It is the same as speaking about pious person. We say "that man is close to God". QUR'AN says the same thing about Jesus. It says Q3:45



(Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."


So "sitting at the right" hand of God or close to God indicates PIOUSNESS



Lie. To sit on a throne means that throne is physical that provides comfort. So to sit on the throne belittles God if your understanding is literal. This is why I said earlier that it is symbolic. So God doesn't sit on a throne. He is above the throne. If Jesus sits on the throne means that Jesus is not coequal with God.


QUR'AN says


Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]
You said God don't have a throne but yet I'm seeing "Rose over the Throne in this your Quran...can you make me understand?


So you can see that God is above the throne but you said Jesus sits in the right hand of God. You don't know anything The Bible says the Kingdom of God suffereth violence...you hear the word "Kingdom".. and in my English. Any place that is a kingdom must have a King or a Queen...so then who is the king of God kingdom if not God ?


but some of your Bible scholars said Melchizedek is Jesus Christ Jesus is greater than himself?. You go tire for here. Yet Bible says Melchizedek doesn't have father, no mother, no relatives, no beginning, no ending. But Jesus had mother. Jesus had beginning and ending (he died on the cross)



are you saying your Bible lies?. I proved from your Bible that Jeremiah and Job preexisted.


same God created Jesus, isn't?


I showed you evidence that Job and Jeremiah preexisted like Jesus also claimed he existed before earthly life. But you said no human preexisted

1. Jesus had a premortal existence. John 1:14, John 1:1

2. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Her. 1:5

3. Job had a premortal existence. Job38:4,7.....For Goodness sake job had no premortal existence. Read the Bible with clear insight abeg

4. All mankind premortal existence Deuteronomy and Corinthians 29:36-38, Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:22-28.

So you can see preexistence in your Bible.




since you don't understand your Bible, QUR'AN will clear the air.



Q7:172

And recall (O Prophet) when your Lord brought forth descendants from the loins of the sons of Adam, and made them witnesses against their ownselves. asking them: 'Am I not your Lord?' They said: 'Yes, we do testify.' We did so lest you claim on the Day of Resurrection: 'We were unaware of this.'



preexistence is soul not physical and we don't have recollection of it.lol ...let assume preexistance is soul as you said. Jesus Christ was never said to have existed in heaven as a soul.
Even my understanding of what you might mean...you mean the souls were in heaven but didn't have knowledge of their existence or where they were or whatever?

But even Jesus Christ said... He knows the father and the father knows him and he will reveal the father to whoever he wants....he also said "None as seen the father except the son"...tell me does that also not to be taken literally?...if so, then others prophets would have said to have seen God face to face just as Jesus.



yet you believe Jesus sits next to God you are obviously denying your first Bible verse

....Even Stephen in his vision of heaven before his death...talked about how he saw the heavens open and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God....
Even your Muhammad have never said to have gone to heaven talkless of being welcome and told to sit beside even a common angels self....
Ex 33:11


Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.
The Lord spoke to Moses through an angel.. an angel is a representative of God ...so if one speaks to an angel..it like he speaks to God.

After all we see the part where jecob wrestle with an angel of God...but he was said to have wrestle with God and man and won.
Oga think jor. Don't be dumb.

By the way I never told you Jesus is equal with God. Jesus is a creation of God( God words) that became man and dwelled amongst us. Jesus is not God the Father but God the son.

Remember what 1 John said... In the beginning was the word and the word was with God( the word there meaning Jesus was with God right from the beginning)... It wasn't muhammed that was with God. Wasn't Moses, was jecob, was Abraham but Jesus.
If Jesus is said to be with God in the beginning truthfully then it means he is God too because through him ( Godwords) the world and everything was created.

No prophets or what's over was said to have been with God doing that period.

Oga reason na

Why are you denying your Bible on social platform

Graysons:
Are ijaws the ones ruling Rivers State? What this attention seeking for?

Empiree:
This doesnt refute the fact that Jesus doesnt have unique qualities that Machizedek had



This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.


Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,


1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)




2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)


"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."






Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.


"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God Genesis 32:22-32




FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103




I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.

Empiree:
This doesnt refute the fact that Jesus doesnt have unique qualities that Machizedek had



This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.


Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,


1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)




2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)


"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."






Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.


"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God Genesis 32:22-32




FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103




I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.