₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
you keep going on cycle. I think I know your problem now. Let me just push you to clarify yourself.

What do you mean Jesus is son of God, biological son or what?. Answer this so that I know how to deal with you better you keep going back and forth




can you read yourself again?. Don't you see contradiction in your write up or you want me to break it down for you?.


Let me help you


You said "death couldn't hold him" not he died on the cross at the hands of human being according to your Bible Matthew 27:45-50


You said:


and took the keys of death so as to give us eternal life


Tell me any of the Christians that have eternal life that you know of?. I can interprete this in two forms, either literally or spiritually. Literally this verse is rubbish because evidently many many CHRISTIANs have died and nothing happened. So this make this verse false.

Spiritually, to have everlasting life in afterlife, if that's the case, Quran had this to say


They also say, ‘No one will enter Paradise unless he is a Jew or a Christian.’ This is their own wishful thinking. Say, ‘Produce your evidence, if you are telling the truth.’ Qur'an 2:111-113


There is no way you can enter paradise as long as you believe Jesus is: God, son of God. It is impossible



holy what. Abeg, which "holy spirit" Christians use that make them differ so much?. Deeper life, Jehovah witness don't celebrate Xmas. Other do. Yet all of them claim to have "holy spirit".

Don't worry about how I read Bible. Onus on you to defend it.




oh you mean when Jesus and his people when to somebody farm to steal produce?. In Mark 2:23-25, Jesus and his people were hungry on sabbath. Won wo oko oloko lol ji agbado alagbado on sabbath when Jesus and his guys were caught red-handed for stealing, Jesus said


"Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?"



This is what you called son of God . He was a full grown man

So oga as a full grown man you're ...are you not your father's son? You see your sense?....if the Jews doesn't enter paradise is it then the Muslims that will enter?....

The Bible said Jesus Christ is the son of God and through Christ we have the right to be called sons and daughters of God.
Jesus Christ has I told you was created by God just like us all but he was the first born of all creation.
In other words, Christ existed before everything in heaven and on Earth or galaxy and through Jesus Christ...God created everything else even the angels.


Meaning if Jesus Christ is the word of God just as my Bible said( and your Quran agreed)
God word has always existed with him..meaning Jesus Christ has always existed.

Eternal life in this instance means spiritual. It means though we will die but we won't die FOREVER ...when it time we shall be resurrected, all Humans by the way.

If Jesus was caught Red ended for stealing wouldn't he and his disciples be arrested and prosecuted? Abi there was no law and order doing that time against stealing?

The holy spirit is the spirit of God. Read the book of Revelation to know more about the spirit of God.
The Quran didn't have the knowledge to know about the spirit of God that's why it couldn't talk about him. It lacked requisite knowledge.
It is through the power of the holy spirit all prophets do the miracles they perform.

Read Revelation bro

Empiree:
how does this make him different from other sons of God?. How about Moses that met God and spoke with him one on one?



The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. Exodus 33:11


How about Abraham called friend of God II Chronicles 20:7. Isaiah 41:8.


How about Elijah that also raised the dead 1 Kings 17:17-24


There was nothing Jesus did that other prophets and messangers didn't do



Adopted children you Christians no go kill person. From whom God adopted them?.

And you said they are just like humans but I have quoted several Bible verses showing Jesus was only human being. 1 Timothy 2:5


For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.




you have a lot to learn. This has nothing to do with divinity of Jesus. It only means Jesus had preexisting knowledge of God just like you and I. Quran says we lived preexisting earthly life where we had covenants with God that we would worship and obey Him when we get to earth. So we had foreknowledge of God too. There is nothing special in this verse. So this verse means Jesus had foreknowledge. If this makes Jesus special, how about Melchizedek Genesis 14:18–20. He's more greater than Jesus.

Jesus has mother no father

Adam had no father no mother but he had beginning

Melchizedek had no father, no mother no beginning, no ending. So who's more greater btw the three?. Answer is obvious.



be like say you don't know who you are talking to. What else is new about Jesus that you think I don't know?.



which inspiration ooo?. You mean all those rascal church "inspirations"


but you haven't been successful in your defensive arguments so far.

No, you're the one that hasn't been successful in offensive argument so far.

You brought out Machizedek.. he was a high priest of God. Jesus is a son of God. By the way, I never said others prophet didn't raise the dead. Damn, even Paul raised the dead..


I asked you, which of those supposed prophets God has told to sit at his right hand throne till he makes his enemies his footstool?

By the way, have never heard anyone says Human being preexisted in heaven before they were born with a promise they will serve God.
That's a lie and it of the devil.

No human Preexisted before time with God.

Jesus Christ is the word of God and through him all things where Created( even your Muhammad)
He became Man( when something is God's word- it means that thing is God)
God honours his word more than anything ever.

By the way, Moses never spoke to God face to face.. moses never saw God but the back of God. Your Quran is inaccurate in that instance cause no man can see God and live and Moses was a man... Yes he commune with God just like every prophet hears from God ....from Jeremiah to Isaiah down to even Solomon...they heard from God...nothing spectacular about that.

Now the spectacular thing here is Jesus didn't just hear from God, he saw God, God told him to sit on the throne beside him...God told the angels to bow before the Lamb( Jesus ) in Revelation 5.

Quran is wrong. No human ever lived Preexisting live/knowledge before they were born.
The only people in.heavens are Angelic beings, divine beings etc

Bros na me go teach you something.
By the way it normal for normal humans doing those times to call Jesus man.
He was seen as a Man by then( afrr all they lacked Spiritual insight)
Even the Bible said they have eyes hut they will be unable to see. That was the situation then.

Jesus is no ordinary prophet like Muhammad or what's over prophet you want to call.

In the entire Bible, the way the prophets that spoke about Jesus and his coming ...there never spoke about any man like that. Even the Great John the Baptist knew who Jesus was that's why he told him he was not worthy to baptize him.
And the John the Baptist was said to be a greater prophet than even many prophets of Old.

Oga na me go school you

Empiree:
you think I'm gonna drag this with you forever?. Jesus was either dead or escaped death. There is no in between. Ressurection is in the Hereafter. Once any human is dead, he's dead, period. This is what your Bible confirmed in JIB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27. The dead is dead. You either believe he's dead or he was not deaf. Nothing like ressurection. 1 Corinthians 15:20,21 etc that says Christ was raised from the dead was interpolation.





first all, we aren't talking about his return. We are talking about death and resurrection.. But can you show me in the Quran where it says he's coming back?.

Whether he's coming back or not, the Muslims that believe he's coming back don't even agree with you. His return is meant to crucify Christianity as indicated in Hadith, "he will break the cross". He's not coming back to rescue christians. He was only sent to the Jews not you

Lol... Yeah I agree. His return will crucify those churches that didn't run their race well. That's why even the christians knows that judgement will start from the church.


By the way, Jesus is no ordinary man. The Bible said it is unto man to die once and then judgement but we keep telling you Jesus is no man...he is the son of God. Divine.
Death Couldn't hold him.
He died and took the keys of death so as to give us eternal life.

Oga read my Bible well and pray the holy Spirit to open your eyes.
You read the Bible with hatred and unbelieve that's why...


Open your eyes.. check all the prophets that spoke about Jesus...
Even one said... His origin is from before time( beginning)


Even Muhammad, Elijah etc never got that kind of discription

Empiree:
then there is nothing unique about "son of God". It means son by tongue not begotten son. So if you mean he was created by God, it means Jesus was God's creation like any other human beings. In that case, MURIC said nothing wrong. There are many sons of God in the bible such as


1. Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.


2. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.


3. Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).


4. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.


Even common people like you and I are son of God according to the bible


5. "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1.


6. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.



7. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" John 1:12.


8. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2.


Even God has daughters according to the bible



9. Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” 2 Corinthians 6:18.


So you can see there is nothing special about "son of God". It just means righteousness or righteous people.




what Prophet?. There is no confirmation for this. Your Bible says there are so many false prophets. How do you believe false voice documented in your Bible without due deligence?




what you failed to understand is that Jesus was created the same way you and I were created with the same Command I told you before except for some phenomenon conferred in Jesus. That's all. Every human being was with God before we came to this earth. Where do you think your unborn child is right now?. He or she is with God. This is what Jesus referred to. The same spirit that God breathe in Jesus is the same spirit that God breathe in every human being. This is what gives us life.



QUR'AN

And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration." (15:29 and 38:72)



Hadith


“Each one of you is constituted in the womb of the mother for forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then God sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his deeds, his livelihood, the date of his death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched. Then the soul is breathed into him…” (Sahih al-Bukhari: 3036).


this is just emotions not based on facts. I have showed your Bible with clear evidences that a dead person is gone and never to return to earth until the day of ressurection when everybody will be brought back to life. There is nothing like "ressurection of Jesus". That is interpolation in the bible. You either believe Jesus is dead or he was rescued by God and airlifted as some Muslims believe.



no. We showed them convincing and superior evidences that they could not debunk.... Just like you are perambulating here too.

but which of those supposed sons of God did God ever told to see at his right hand ( the Heavenly throne besides him) till he makes his enemies his footstool?

Which of those sons did the angels and the 24 elders bow to in Revelation 5? None I guess.

See all we are children of God but there is a difference. Although people you called are adopted sons of God. Just like we Humans.
Which of those sons existed with God in heaven long before time( and he said, before Abraham "I Am"...
Jesus Christ is the only one that is divine ... You call him a prophet but yet a prophet is not divine like Jesus. A prophet never existed before time like Jesus .

Read the book of Revelation and maybe then you will know who our Lord Jesus Christ is.


By the way you can believe the book of Revelation.. because man has no type of knowledge to write something like that without inspiration from God.

You know when they bring evidence from the Bible for you guys.. all you get to say is the Bible was corrupted etc.

Empiree:
so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused



it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."


But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out



you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.



you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.


I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.



who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.


so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.



are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

Oga did I not tell you that Jesus is son of God? Meaning he was created by God. I didn't tell you Jesus always existed like God.
Come on read.
I'm sure they is no real Bible scholar in that your Muslim school.. he will tear you to spread.
You keep giving me reasons to show you that I can easily shread you..
The word( Jesus) as you said is created, yes. But he is the son of God. The word( God) became man and dwelled amongst us

By the way that Hebrew verse... Shows that it was a prophet who saw a vision of Heaven and God speaking... To the son.


Now can you clarify which of the angel or man he has ever said to sit at my right until I make your enemies your footstool...just like the prophet saw?.


See they're many instances of Jesus Christ in heaven with the father....you have no reply.
Everytime I give you something you say it is corrupted or fraud .... But here we using the Bible to clarify. Your corruption doesn't concern me let God judge that.

One thing I as a Christian is assure of as daylight is that Jesus is the Son of God. Hair to the Throne of God. He died and was Resurrected back to life.

You and a billion Muslims can't change that...
See the christians that converted to islam fail to feel it. They failed to feel that jesus is the son of God. No prophets ever or even angel is as exalted as jesus in the bible. It not just about the miracles but alot more

Empiree:
so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused



it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."


But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out



you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.



you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.


I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.



who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.


so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.



are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

Oga did I not tell you that Jesus is son of God? Meaning he was created by God. I didn't tell you Jesus always existed like God.
Come on read.
I'm sure they is no real Bible scholar in that your Muslim school.. he will tear you to spread.
You keep giving me reasons to show you that I can easily shread you..
The word( Jesus) as you said is created, yes. But he is the son of God. The word( God) became man and dwelled amongst us

By the way that Hebrew verse... Shows that it was a prophet who saw a vision of Heaven and God speaking... To the son.


Now can you clarify which of the angel or man he has ever said to sit at my right until I make your enemies your footstool...just like the prophet saw?.


See they're many instances of Jesus Christ in heaven with the father....you have no reply.
Everytime I give you something you say it is corrupted or fraud .... But here we using the Bible to clarify. Your corruption doesn't concern me let God judge that.

One thing I as a Christian is assure of as daylight is that Jesus is the Son of God. Hair to the Throne of God. He died and was Resurrected back to life.

You and a billion Muslims can't change that

Empiree:
so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused



it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."


But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out



you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.



you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.


I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.



who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.


so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.



are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

Oga did I not tell you that Jesus is son of God? Meaning he was created by God. I didn't tell you Jesus always existed like God.
Come on read.
I'm sure they is no real Bible scholar in that your Muslim school.. he will tear you to spread.
You keep giving me reasons to show you that I can easily shread you..
The word( Jesus) as you said is created, yes. But he is the son of God. The word( God) became man and dwelled amongst us

Empiree:
1 Corinthians 15:14-19


If there is no resurrection of the dJesead, then not even Christ has been raised.

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith

More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.


For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

Jesus was not ressurected. Your faith is in vain and those who have died believing in Christianity have perished. There is nothing like ressurection of Jesus. Jesus was either dead or was not killed. But both ways because according to the book of JOB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27.

If Jesus was dead then you need to answer why he said these



“….Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Salam Alaikum

“….But they were terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit.

“And he said unto them,….

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have.

“And showed them his hands and feet.

“And while they yet believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

“And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb.

“And he took it, and did eat before them.” Luke 24:36-43


Ressurection of Jesus was fraudulent by Bible writers

Jesus spoke Aramaic not Salam aleku or how you put m.

Thankfully the Bible said Jesus Christ was Resurrected meaning my faith is not futile and the dead in Christ will rise when he comes back again to the world.

Oga we are using the Bible here and the Bible said he Resurrected. If you like call it fraud, call it PDP but as long as the Bible agrees he was Resurrected then he was.

We can also see that it is true what the Bible said because every of Jesus disciples from Matthew, luke and John wrote about his resurrection..it was consistent.

By the way check in Revelation5 -20 ..you will see the slain lamb ( Jesus) been bowed to and worship by all angels and soon when he shall come back to the world all humans Shall bow to him too including you.

Even your Quran said Jesus shall return. He never said any prophet shall return, not Muhammad, not Elijah, not Elisha, not David, not Solomon. It said Jesus just as the Bible writers you so much love to deride predict

By the way even the verse you just posted there is a testimony there that Jesus was raised from the death by God.
See Bros maybe you should call people that are more verse in the Bible. You really giving yourself to me so much ok.
Common it so easy...even a Bible Rocky like me will trampled upon you so easily

Empiree:
1 Corinthians 15:14-19


If there is no resurrection of the dJesead, then not even Christ has been raised.

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith

More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.


For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

Jesus was not ressurected. Your faith is in vain and those who have died believing in Christianity have perished. There is nothing like ressurection of Jesus. Jesus was either dead or was not killed. But both ways because according to the book of JOB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27.

If Jesus was dead then you need to answer why he said these



“….Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Salam Alaikum

“….But they were terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit.

“And he said unto them,….

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have.

“And showed them his hands and feet.

“And while they yet believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

“And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb.

“And he took it, and did eat before them.” Luke 24:36-43


Ressurection of Jesus was fraudulent by Bible writers

Jesus spoke Aramaic not Salam aleku or how you put m.

Thankfully the Bible said Jesus Christ was Resurrected meaning my faith is not futile and the dead in Christ will rise when he comes back again to the world.

Oga we are using the Bible here and the Bible said he Resurrected. If you like call it fraud, call it PDP but as long as the Bible agrees he was Resurrected then he was.

We can also see that it is true what the Bible said because every of Jesus disciples from Matthew, luke and John wrote about his resurrection..it was consistent.

By the way check in Revelation5 -20 ..you will see the slain lamb ( Jesus) been bowed to and worship by all angels and soon when he shall come back to the world all humans Shall bow to him too including you.

Even your Quran said Jesus shall return. He never said any prophet shall return, not Muhammad, not Elijah, not Elisha, not David, not Solomon. It said Jesus just as the Bible writers you so much love to deride predict

Empiree:
why do you need I needed this epistle?. I showed your own Bible verses to you confirming beliefs of Muslims. Hence you can not condemn Muslims for validating what your Bible says.

As for ressurection, I already posted that up there. Your Jesus is dead according to your Bible

And According to the same Bible he resurrected and his at the right hand of God where all the angels bow to him, not just angels, the 24 elders etc.
Tell me, any prophet or angel that have ever been given that type of worship or respect?

My Bible tells me in the book of Revelation how the 24 elders bow with their crown to the ground and worship the Lamb ( Jesus)... Abi didn't you read that in the Bible?

And by the way, the eg you gave me are of people thoughts about Jesus at that time. The people there saw him as a man. Infact when Jesus asked his disciples who do people say I am... You can see they told him what people think he is. People can think anything about someone ...it doesn't mean it the truth..

See even in the old testament if we want to use that, we see instances of prophets like isaiah, Jeremiah etc and their vision of heaven.
For instance one of the prophet in the old testament ( forgotten his name) in the vision of heaven saw one that sat like a son of man( that's how he described it)

Now I ask you, if Jesus was an ordinary man or prophet as you said...would he be seen seating down on a throne like God or on the throne of God?

Empiree:
them you should first clear your contradiction. You now says Jesus is God. But you said earlier Jesus is son of God. Now you believe he's also prophet. See your confusion?




you are a rookie. You need Bible class and we Muslims will teach you. 1john you quote is not talking about Divinity of Jesus. That's your loose translation. Anyways, to safe me time, I will use your same Bible to kill you there. Done you believe Jesus is son of God, Jesus is man, Jesus is prophet and Jesus is also God, all these alone are self contradictory.


Your Bible says



Numbers 23:19

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:...."


You must repent for your blasphemes

A son of a King is a King in the making.
A son of a God is a God.

For eg, you do watch movies don't you.
Isn't the sons of Zeus says to be god?
Ok we are using the Bible here. Use the Bible to teach me...

What did Hebrew 1.8 mean?

Repent from which blasphemy?
Have I not given you instances to show Jesus is God.

I just gave you 1John and you said it not what it means...what then does it mean?

It said , In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, he was in the beginning with God and all things where made by him and for him?

Now tell me.. with this illustration or should I say statement....wat will you presume the word to be? If not a God.
Remember he was with God almighty and all things was made by God almighty for him and through him.

Remember it also say he came to the world and the world didn't recognize him even though he created the world.

Oga do you need an English teacher to make you understand?

What that word " And the WORD was GOD means?

Empiree:
them you should first clear your contradiction. You now says Jesus is God. But you said earlier Jesus is son of God. Now you believe he's also prophet. See your confusion?




you are a rookie. You need Bible class and we Muslims will teach you. 1john you quote is not talking about Divinity of Jesus. That's your loose translation. Anyways, to safe me time, I will use your same Bible to kill you there. Done you believe Jesus is son of God, Jesus is man, Jesus is prophet and Jesus is also God, all these alone are self contradictory.


Your Bible says



Numbers 23:19

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:...."


You must repent for your blasphemes

A son of a King is a King in the making.
A son of a God is a God.

For eg, you do watch movies don't you.
Isn't the sons of Zeus says to be god?
Ok we are using the Bible here. Use the Bible to teach me...

What did Hebrew 1.8 mean?

Repent from which blasphemy?
Have I not given you instances to show Jesus is God.

I just gave you 1John and you said it not what it means...what then does it mean?

It said , In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, he was in the beginning with God and all things where made by him and for him?

Now tell me.. with this illustration or should I say statement....wat will you presume the word to be? If not a God.
Remember he was with God almighty and all things was made by God almighty for him and through him.

Remember it also say he came to the world and the world didn't recognize him even though he created the world.

Oga do you need an English teacher to tmake you understand?

Empiree:
Ressurection that's fraud perpetrated by Paul.


This is what your Bible says:

Hebrews 9:27


And as it is appointed unto men to die once, but after this the judgment:




As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so one who goes down to the grave does not return - Job 7:9


Your Jesus is dead and not coming back. He did not ressurect

thank God you said Unto Man. Jesus wasn't Man...we keep telling you. Jesus is son of God.
And to the son, he said...Sit at my right until I make your enemies your footstool.

He didn't say this to any angel, he didn't say this to any man, he didn't say this to any 24 elders in heaven.
He said this to His Son.

Jesus Christ Resurrected...Wasn't it Jesus Christ that told his disciples that he will be arrested, killed and on the third day he will rise again. If Jesus Christ didn't rise then he means he was not a prophet of God( as you Muslims put it) because it means he lied.
But since we using the Bible here.. you can see in the Bible he talked about his resurrection.
He died to set us free from sins

Empiree:
then you don't believe in your Bible. If your Bible says Jesus is prophet and a man you can not fault Muslims. You guys are brainwashed. Go back to Bible class.


Jesus, a human being


You men of Israel, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man accredited and pointed out and shown forth and commended and attested to you by God by the mighty works and [the power of performing] wonders and signs which God worked through Him [right] in your midst, as you yourselves know— ACTS 2:22




Jesus, a prophet of God

This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren. -Acts 7:37




And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee- Matthew 21:11




Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” and, “God has visited His people! - Luke 7:16




The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet- John 4:19





When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet- Matthew 21:46




Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world- John 6:14




Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.- John 7:40




And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people- Luke 24:19


That's it for now

So you believe all these parts?
Why don't you also believe the part that says Jesus is God.

For eg, 1John....In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was "God"

Or Hebrew1:8... And to the son he said, " Your throne oh God.. ( who was speaking there? If it God, why would he call Christ God?

Now don't allow us also go to the book of Revelation....the Moment all the angels bowed and worship the slain lamb.

yahmohy27:
why cant you compare good work done by someone compare to prophet Muhammad ?
As long you dont abuse the prophet and you compare to him with good workdone, why not?
It is only GOD you cannot compare to anything or anyone
ohh or is Jesus GOD? NO so i , dont see anything wrong with such statement
Allahu Allam

Learn to respect people believe. The Christians sees Jesus like God. Respect their beliefs ok.
Just like you don't see Jesus as God is same way they don't see Muhammad as a prophet but they respect your beliefs. Learn to do same

Empiree:
this is out of line because MURIC did not say anything derogatory about Jesus. But you did about muhammad. Jesus was human. Buhari is human. So what's the big deal here?. The only difference is Jesus was sanctified and made prophet and messanger but Buhari is not

To us Jesus is no prophet. He was son of God. Not man. So let him respect others people faith as he will want them to respect his

[quote author=Empiree post=102750454]but Jesus himself is dead according to your literature. He was nailed on the cross.. So what's blasphemy here?[/quote but he resurrected. Did your Mohammed resurrect?]

htdot:
But its only lagos that is on the map na..

I don't really know why they put Lagos only

htdot:
The gas is coming from the riverine area.... it may be from cross rivers, akwa ibom, rivers, bayelsa, ondo

nope, it coming from Aba.

htdot:
But there is no where that is written that is from the southeast... may be you dont read.

Lol check where the gas is coming from and where it is going too....

htdot:
And you just confirm to be an igbo man... Yea, that your dot nation

Call me what ever you want but thankfully you see they got their own Gas.

htdot:
Why is it that went ever they point out how small the biafra country will be , the south easterners will always make reference to israel?
The likening never came close. Israel with a population of 9million , has a landmass of 28000 square km. The israel are not over populated, hence, there are available lands for farming
While in the other hand, The south east with a population of over 30million people scattered all over nigeria wont be able to fit into the small land mass. There will be supersaturated that can even lead to anarchy... There wont be enough land for agriculture, since there would be limited for infrastructure.

But they have Gas. Natural Gas your President is planning to export to Spain by building a pipeline from the East down to Morocco and from Morocco to spain

htdot
Adakaboro
Biodun
Do you see where this Gas is coming from to Europe? Yes. From the Dot nation..
Not your Niger delta.
Soon it will be our Gas our Gas

htdot
Adakaboro
Do you see where this Gas is coming from to Europe? Yes. From the Dot nation..
Not your Niger delta.
Soon it will be our Gas our Gas

NewDawn2O21:
apparently you couldn't comprehend his statement.
He was referring to UGM/IPOB/ESN and all the criminal elements constituting violence and killing of security agents in the SE and also Bandits unleashing Mayhem in the NW

So na Unknown Gunmen own properties for every parts of Nigeria as he said? Not Igbos any more

NewDawn2O21:
you don't reside in the SE.
you're just Somewhere outside the region instigating hate on this forum.
My friend pay a visit to that bridge and come back to this forum and appreciate Buhari for once, that's if the hate will allow you to see clearly

They should appreciate someone that called them 5%, A Dot etc? Just for building a bridge?
They should appreciate someone that stood by as Fulanis Herdsmen murder innocent Igbos in Enugu, Ebonyi etc?
They should appreciate someone that sent soldiers in 2017 to kill innocent igbo youths protesting with flags... Disgrace them by making them swim on muds etc?
Just cause of a bridge?

Did the north appreciate Jonathan for the schools he built for them.? Did they appreciate him for the few roads he constructed for thm?
Oga talk another thing.
Buhari hate the East, they hate him too. One one.
Someone that recently ordered for the massacre of Igbos ( treating them in the language they understand

NewDawn2O21:
you don't reside in the SE.
you're just Somewhere outside the region instigating hate on this forum.
My friend pay a visit to that bridge and come back to this forum and appreciate Buhari for once, that's if the hate will allow you to see clearly

They should appreciate someone that called them 5%, A Dot etc? Just for building a bridge?
They should appreciate someone that stood by as Fulanis Herdsmen murder innocent Igbos in Enugu, Ebonyi etc?
They should appreciate someone that sent soldiers in 2017 to kill innocent igbo youths protesting with flags... Disgrace them by making them swim on muds etc?
Just cause of a bridge?

Did the north appreciate Jonathan for the schools he built for them.? Did they appreciate him for the few roads he constructed for thm?
Oga talk another thing.
Buhari hate the East, they hate him too. One one

SouthEastFacts:
It means an urban area intensely developed for housing, commerce, industry, etc.

Here's a drone coverage of Onitsha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xuh2JviB2M

Ok thank you. But isn't those European cities intensely developed too?
With housing Commerce industry.. I think since they're more developed than Nigeria than it only right there ahead

htdot:
Hatred for igbo. Only igbo people used this statement. Dear, you re from abia. Stop deceiving yourself

Ok na. Infact I'm not just from Abia, I'm also from Enugu, Ebonyi , imo, Anambra. Are you ok now?
Lol. Na so ggood been say I be Igbo...till we speak language together Na him confess.
Please I'm from the East o. How can I be from the south. The south hate Igbos but I don't. Only those who hate Igbos can be from the Akwa I bom... are u ok now?

htdot:
I know you are faking to be from akwaibom. Please proud of your root. My father is from otuekon compound, opume community , ward 11 all in ogbia bayelsa state and my mother is from eyobasi in oron LGA akwaibom but you dont see me parading with an echnic tagged name on nairaland.. You guys dont have any highest gas reserve in nigeria. Thats just a fallacy... come to gbarain area in bayelsa to see how they re flaring the gas for the pass 12 years. To tell you the amount of gas bayelsa alone has...

Oga I told you. Go and research and stop talking nonsense.
Even Bayelsa don't have much gas than Akwa ibom and have just told you the East have much gas than Akwa ibom

By the way, Ami ato Abak, afaha obong. I'm from the Umoren Family.
I'm full blooded Akwa ibom.

Don't let your hate for the Igbos blind you abeg....

Why do you think the Gas pipelines the Nigeria govt is building to Spain is coming through from Aba abi Enugu ( have forgotten)
Oga check well o

SouthEastFacts:
Do you understand what it means to build up?

Please make me understand cause I don't understand how Nigerian cities will rank more than more developed cities

htdot:
Where do you guys always having this statistic from... highest gas reserve that is of no use? I dont think the gas reserve in the entire southeast is even up to one 3rd of the gas reserve in the gbarain area of bayelsa...

hahahahaha.
There is no state in Nigeria that has a higher gas reserve than the Eastern states...make your research.
Even my state Akwa ibom that has Gas do not have more than Dem.


By the way Nigeria can't Prosecute a war. They don't have the money. They're debtors.
Besides with the biafran army seizing large part of the delta like Akwa ibom, Cross River, part of the delta state... The Revenue for Nigerian govt will drop.
And I'm pretty sure Nigerian govt won't like to fight to bring BIAFRA back into Nigeria because it an effort in futility then
Even if they Successfully do it, who said 20 -40 years lata they won't arise and ask again for their own country?
Why waste lives?...pretty sure sensible people will talk to the Nigerian govt ..and the govt shouldn't worry...all the East ask for is an igboid speaking state.. to take all Igbo speaking group into BIAFRA but they will leave Ikwerres nd Ikas for the Nigerian govt anyways.

But for us in Akwa ibom...we will be joining our biafran brothers.