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PAWG:
Why must it be pastors that should receive the seeds, why can’t the needy be sowed onto?

Budaatum please enlighten me on this cos I’d rather give to a beggar than sow seed in church. Am in the wrong?

Don't mind these brain washed papas kids

Ninobraw:
No need for a long story, I got married 2 yrs ago, during our friendship I mean courtship it was very sweet and lovely, we got married 2 yrs ago and I have 1 kid.

The problem I have is that, the girl's family come to greet almost every time and when they come they eat like elephant, anything eatable they eat it, they don't use eyes to see bread tea or butter in my room, they will finish it within a day, I will end up spending a lot during the time, when I noticed that it becomes offen i started telling my wife that I am broke, I don't have money. Although my wife is very nice she earns salary of 40k a month, and do funds and cook many times with her money.

Before now I was it okay, we are like a family, now i just realized that it is making me not think straight within a week oil and cooking things we bought will just finished the cartoon of indomitable that last the 2 of us before 1 month or month plus will just finish within 4 days of thier stay, some time 3 of her family will come once and another set will come again, my wife is the first daughter, the poor parents gave birth to 9 kids all in the name of looking for a boy, so she said although the 2 boys are number 7 and 9 position, her parents should be around man 60s and the woman 45yrs old. so now I am tired of the marriage, I don't know how to talk to my wife about it, that I don't like how thier family do come offend since we got married, my families has never come to sleep over in my place for a night talkless of spending holiday in my place my parents gave birth to only 3 of us 2 boys 1 girl.

Now i am just tired I can't be responsible for someone else burden why give birth to many kids and unable to train them, i plan to have only 2 or 3 kids only, and her family want to make me be like thier father sitting at home doing nothing depending on pension for survival, i have realized that I can't achieve what i should have achieved if i continue life this way.

Before our marriage, we agreed no family members is coming to stay with us, the issue now is they don't stay but come to eat and go, it's a big cheating to me I am tired for real, even if I say I don't have money and she use her own. The money should have be able to do other important thing . She spending is also affecting me a lot, we should have been able to buy land or car or live well, not feeding battalion. I am tired please I need advice on what to do.

Poverty is your problem
Poverty is bad
O di very bad.God punish Poverty
Blame Buhari not your inlaws

They want to eat some of the parts

bornalive:
You stated above that you are permitted to judge? From which bible? God is not man and His instruction is that He ONLY will judge every man according to his works here on earth.

You are accusing T.B. Joshua of using some demonic powers, doing his works here on earth when he was alive. Who gave you canal man the power to judge your fellow man? Are you now taking the position of God who gave instruction that only Him will judge you and I?

In fact, they need to check your mental health to know if you are normal.

Judge with righteous judgment” John 7:24


What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 1 Cor 5:12

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Eph 5:11


Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.1 Cor 14:29

A man that can barely speak a correct sentence in English and people want an institution named after him?
Maybe an elementary school in his village that he went to.
Do they need to announce it

Did you know?

That currency note you put in an envelope and drop during church meetings is not offering. The proper name for it is "money" �, not offering.

When you give money, what you are making is called monetary contribution. You are not giving an offering!

The bags that go round to collect your money are called collection bags and not offering bags.

You could read through the epistles and it would be clear to you that the early church did not use the word "offering" loosely as we do today. This is because they knew what offering truly meant.

Your money is a legal tender in the country where you live here on earth. It is not a legal tender in heaven or before God.

Your legal tender is printed by the central bank of your country, or any other similar institutions and its relevance (and influence) is at best terrestrial.

There is only one legal tender that resonates in the presence of God. That legal tender was the offering made at Calvary, once and for all, some 2000 years ago.

He is the the sweet-smelling and non-sweet smelling offering, all rolled together in one.

He's the offering that speaks forever before God, better things that the blood of Abel.

He is the true offering that has been suppressed by the church system in order to sell to you the Idea of money as the offering.

The word "offering" has become so bastardized that when people hear it, what immediately strikes them is what is their wallets and not the offering at Calvary.

But Money is not the true offering! Jesus is the offering.

And what is the good news here? Jesus' offering was made at Calvary, just on behalf of you and I.

By this one offering, we have unfettered access to the father. Hebrew 4:16.

By this singular offering, we have become accepted and pleasing to God by default. It is written and I quote "For By one offering, He has perfected forever them that are sanctified" Hebrew 10:14. Just one offering.

Your money can speak for you before men, but only the offering of Christ speaks for you before the Father.

"Offering money for next level" is fraud!

"Offering money to tap into an anointing" is fraud!

"Offering money to "key into" prophecy or testimony" is fraud.

Friends, I need you to Stop speaking to money and sending it on an errand to God. God doesn't need your money. We are the ones that need the money.

Speaking to money ostensibly to send it on an errand is akin to pagan practice. God is not moved by your money. The only god that is moved by money is mammon.

Much like God provided an offering for sacrifice for Abraham, in place of Isaac, He has provided an offering, in Christ, and He is absolutely satisfied with His offering.

Raising up money commitment cards during prayers to challenge God is a faulty doctrinal practice in church. "I'd rather raise up the offering of Christ at Calvary. It is written : And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace".
John 1:16 NKJV

This is the Offering that sits at the right hand of the father, forever making intercession for the saints. Naira notes or dollar notes don't give you access to God. The only accept which has no competition is Christ. He said "I am the way......"

So, did I suggest that you should not give money to support God's work or people around you? Far from it.

Be generous with money! Give cheerfully. It is in you! It is your nature to do so. If you are of God, you will give. Giving is a sign that the love of God dwells in you. Let it flow unhindered.

But the point is that no matter how important money is to us, it should never be elevated to the place of Christ. It should not take the place of the true offering, which is Christ Jesus.

It is a new day!

NINYO.

I pray all the captives held under the captivity of tuberculosis Josh be free

Did you know?

That currency note you put in an envelope and drop during church meetings is not offering. The proper name for it is "money" �, not offering.

When you give money, what you are making is called monetary contribution. You are not giving an offering!

The bags that go round to collect your money are called collection bags and not offering bags.

You could read through the epistles and it would be clear to you that the early church did not use the word "offering" loosely as we do today. This is because they knew what offering truly meant.

Your money is a legal tender in the country where you live here on earth. It is not a legal tender in heaven or before God.

Your legal tender is printed by the central bank of your country, or any other similar institutions and its relevance (and influence) is at best terrestrial.

There is only one legal tender that resonates in the presence of God. That legal tender was the offering made at Calvary, once and for all, some 2000 years ago.

He is the the sweet-smelling and non-sweet smelling offering, all rolled together in one.

He's the offering that speaks forever before God, better things that the blood of Abel.

He is the true offering that has been suppressed by the church system in order to sell to you the Idea of money as the offering.

The word "offering" has become so bastardized that when people hear it, what immediately strikes them is what is their wallets and not the offering at Calvary.

But Money is not the true offering! Jesus is the offering.

And what is the good news here? Jesus' offering was made at Calvary, just on behalf of you and I.

By this one offering, we have unfettered access to the father. Hebrew 4:16.

By this singular offering, we have become accepted and pleasing to God by default. It is written and I quote "For By one offering, He has perfected forever them that are sanctified" Hebrew 10:14. Just one offering.

Your money can speak for you before men, but only the offering of Christ speaks for you before the Father.

"Offering money for next level" is fraud!

"Offering money to tap into an anointing" is fraud!

"Offering money to "key into" prophecy or testimony" is fraud.

Friends, I need you to Stop speaking to money and sending it on an errand to God. God doesn't need your money. We are the ones that need the money.

Speaking to money ostensibly to send it on an errand is akin to pagan practice. God is not moved by your money. The only god that is moved by money is mammon.

Much like God provided an offering for sacrifice for Abraham, in place of Isaac, He has provided an offering, in Christ, and He is absolutely satisfied with His offering.

Raising up money commitment cards during prayers to challenge God is a faulty doctrinal practice in church. "I'd rather raise up the offering of Christ at Calvary. It is written : And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace".
John 1:16 NKJV

This is the Offering that sits at the right hand of the father, forever making intercession for the saints. Naira notes or dollar notes don't give you access to God. The only accept which has no competition is Christ. He said "I am the way......"

So, did I suggest that you should not give money to support God's work or people around you? Far from it.

Be generous with money! Give cheerfully. It is in you! It is your nature to do so. If you are of God, you will give. Giving is a sign that the love of God dwells in you. Let it flow unhindered.

But the point is that no matter how important money is to us, it should never be elevated to the place of Christ. It should not take the place of the true offering, which is Christ Jesus.

It is a new day!

NINYO.

PeaceJoyLove:
Let it be internal in the house of God.


An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
Titus 1:6‭-9 NIV.
Read the bolded part. Elders refute them. It's not your job. Yours is to report them.

You have a lot to learn but pigheadedness will not let you.
Someone writes a post on a public forum and you decide where it should be written or applied
Are you out of your mind?
If this post is that upsetting to you why don't you move on by?
You claim one must never judge but now you agree we can judge but only in certain places.
What are u smoking?
Do I write for your viewing pleasure.
No get lost if u have nothing intelligent to contribute

PeaceJoyLove:
If you are to Judge inside the church, it is internal, not on Nairaland. Here is public. And if you are to do it, the way is to call Elders and they summon the person. They listen to the story of the person also.

You are judging him publicly after his dead. It is wrong.

Again
This post here has nothing to do with tuberculosis Josh
Are you that thick
How old are you?

PeaceJoyLove:
Go read your post. You are the one who put emotion there. You are a typical Nigerian woman who is aggressive and always continue telling people are after her. Go get help. If you dont leave, I will keep blasting you. I assure you. You need help. Leave your phone now. Go and rest. You will be fine after. Call your pastor if tou need spiritual help. And if it's your fellow doctors do it fast. You need help. But leave your phone.

How old is this character?

As long as you claim to be a Christian your actions are subject to judgement by other believers using the word of God as standard.
Nobody can hide under judge not to perpetrate evil any longer.

We shall continue to judge you .
We are enjoined to judge one another

Jokerman:
We love you, that's why we are helping you out before you deepen yourself into insignificant stuffs..

Don't judge anyone. Pray, preach and advise them in the Lord ..

1 Cor 5:12

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

Incase the long post scared you or you didn't understand anything in it.
Let me break it down one scripture at a time.
Read it 3 times them explain it to the other TB friend of yours

Africans and emotionalism.

PeaceJoyLove:
If Joshua had offended you personally, go and seek help. The crap you are doing here will not help you. I am stopping you cos I dont want you pollute many and remove the mercy of God from them. Your "over do do do" is too much. Na waoooo! Your husband is in real trouble. Chai!

And your name is peacelovejoy
Hahahahahaha
OMG

The lead post is written in very simple English and the verses are not in vernacular.
Anyone with a proper elementary education can understand it.
Stick to the topic

PeaceJoyLove:
I think she has a personal thing with Joshua. What she needs is help - psychological help. Her case is medical and she is a doctor. I hope she checks into Yaba fast before it hits her deep.

I dont agree with Joshua in all his ways, but judging a dead man? and Opening several threads on Joshua? She needs help fast.

I thought you made a last post to me somewhere but the spirit of tuberculosis Josh no gree you quit sotay anywhere you turn you see him
Sorry o
There is no TB on this lead post.
GO AND CRY AT THE SYNAGOGUE NOT HERE

Jokerman:
How can a sinner know his/her judgment is righteous??

Moreover before you judge/condemn others, look at this advice by the Lord...

"Before you remove the spec of dust from the eye of your neighbors, ensure you remove the log of wood from your eyes, so that you can see clearly..."

You'd only judge when you amongst those who overcome and make the millennial reign of Christ.... That's when you'd judge the angels.

Right now we Christians, we are admonished to preach and save souls, condemn evil deeds (not people), pray and deliver sinners from the power of sin into the power of the living God.

Why do you want to judge the dead?

Is there something wrong with you?
Seriously
Are you naturally daft
Did you see TB Joshua anywhere on this post or are you that possessed by his foul spirit and see him in every post.
You can't help it can you?
Be free in Jesus name!!

1 Cor 14:29

Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge

From the above even the words of the prophet must come under scrutiny by judging it using the word of God.
Nobody should come up and say God says and get away with it.
If it is jot in line with the word judge him and discard his lies

Jokerman:
You can never judge righteousness. We are called to preach and deliver soul from the power of darkness into the Light...

Jesus himself said, judge not, so you won't be judge... For the same measure you mete out, it shall be measured unto you also.

Let's wait till when Joshua is buried, if you see occultic symbolism, then you judge, until then allow the man be.

The righteous will only judge when the master comes to take authority over the kingdoms of the world and we reign with him.

Again I advise you please open your bible and read it!!
Read with understanding and learn
Many of you merely repeat what your daddy in the Lord feeds you.
John 7.24 (KJV)
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Don't thank me
Read your bible

Are Believers allowed to judge?
Yes!

Very common accusations you hear when believers led by the Holy Spirit try to point out errors in the church are

1. Touch not my anointed
2. You are dividing the Body
3. The Bible says do not judge

Some even go as far as threatening others with the leprosy of Miriam and calamity to their generations.

If you say don’t judge means allow anything to go on, why then do we throw criminals in jail after judging them?
Why do you criticize your presidents and government officials after all the bible says they are ordained by God.
We must allow scripture interpret scripture rather than pick verses to suit our disposition and protect our favorite people in error.

So should believers judge?

The verse often quoted on not judging is Luke 6: 37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.

Does it mean that you should not condemn falsehood?

Jesus was speaking to religious rulers who hated him for healing on a Sabbath : He was speaking to hypocrites who insist the Sabbath must be obeyed but go ahead to circumcise on a Sabbath day and Jesus said in JN 7 :24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.” That means there is a right judgement and a wrong judgement.So the verse saying do not judge is actually saying do not judge wrongly. Scripture interprets scripture.

Paul speaking in 1 Cor 5 warned believers to keep away from believers consumed with certain lifestyle that does not give God glory. He could not come to that conclusion that the people were wrong without judging them (by the word) .
He then said in 1 Cor 5:12, 13 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside".
So we judge ourselves
Yet in another Scripture, we are told not to go to the world to judge cases between believers but to judge it within.That is judging rightly. The Bible then continues in the same passage to tell us that the Lord’s people will judge the world and angels (at the end of age I believe)

In a letter to the Ephesians in chapter 5 we are admonished to keep away from sinful living and walk as children of light and in verse 11 you read “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them”.


The Bible enjoins us not to hide evil under the cover of touch not (which is another verse often quoted out of context but a post for another day): rather expose these evil machinations judging them by scripture to expose them.
To expose is to call them out openly and rebuke them.

Paul says in Galatians 1 v 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
The bible also says test every spirit to know if it be of God.How?By judging it by the word.

Other scripture to consider

1 Cor 6: 2 & 3
Do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels?

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Proverbs 31:9
Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy

How does one know another gospel? By judging it using the standard of the Word of God.
So yes we can judge ,we are encouraged to judge but we must judge righteous judgement.

So all those that keep harping on the judge not mantra to hide the wickedness in the body are ignorant or deceptive.

Mecka:
but the same tbj you accuse was disown for not being ordained

I deal with facts not hear say and choose to stay on the topic.
I AM NOT HOLDING BRIEF FOR ANY GO or pastors out there.
The bible only is my guide

Jokerman:
Then why are you judging TB Joshua, now that he's dead?? Allow him be, let God judge on the last day, and let's run our own race now that we are still here...

You don't get this do you?
I am permitted to judge
We dont wait till last day.
We judge daily and judge righteously.
That is how we know right from wrong.
You have a bible please open it and read it or do you want me to show you?
Stop repeating things you hear others say.You have a bible please open it and read it with understanding

Mecka:
then why do we have to be ordained

Nothing like ordination in the new covenant.
Who ordained Paul and Silas?
Who ordained Peter or Aquilla and Priscilla ?
What you call ordination is nothing but man made practice.It is not a new testament teaching

Jokerman:
He/She who is without sin should cast the first stone.

David said,"God forbid I touch the Lord's anointed"

Allow God to judge. Stop all these write-ups you do.... You do not know his last moment.

Pursue your own race.

Every believer in the new testament is anointed.
I am the Lord's anointed
The Holy spirit anoints us all.
Open your bible and read it please!!

PeaceJoyLove:
This is my last post on your thread.

Continue then! No one is stopping you. Which sentiment is in my post. If you claim to be spiritually filled like you wrote everything besutifully, you will understand why genuine Holy spirit filled leaders have refused to pay condolence visit and or condemn him. CAN only sent it out of "too much noise". He was not a member of CAN, and if they dont, nothing anyone will do. Even Jide Sanwo Olu cannot ignore that of another leader despite the June protest. I do not want to mention any leader if such happened to and Sanwo would be there. But the day it happened is when Sanwo Olu should have been there. But the guy sent delegates. Well, he may still go.

Wisdom is needed. There is a reason Holy Spirit filled leaders are not saying much. If you like listen, if you like keep calling "sentiments" and running your mouth anyhow. No wahala. But before you continue crucifying him, did God really ask you to do it? Or are you doing it on your own? You people just play with spiritual things like nothing. You are coming out to say it boldly now. But when he was alive, can you do it? These are issues you should check. Continue doing Ms. Macho then ooo.

Goodluck and Blessing!

Thanks
Good bye

Nephilim:
2 Corinthians 9:6-8.

But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

7. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

8. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

@igbowoman Sorry for your frustration o. All those people you mentioned sowed in a way you never know.

Go and study your Bible that verse has absolutely nothing to do with sowing to your pastor .

Who did Abraham sow seed to before he became wealthy?
Thank God you quoted verse 7
It didn't say giving to your pastor too
Abraham had no pastor

Generalissimo75:
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

It's very simple. This has nothing to do with giving or doing good. You don't need anyone to explain this verse to you. You reap what you sow. If you sow sparingly on a plot of land,you reap on a plot of land. You sow bountifully on 10 hectares of land,you reap bountifully on 10 hectares of land. This verse is for farmers. Don't be fooled. Your MUMU don do.

Thank you!
The scammers use that verse to confuse those who refuse to open their bibles and study

Generalissimo75:
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

It's very simple. This has nothing to do with giving or doing good. You don't need anyone to explain this verse to you. You reap what you sow. If you sow sparingly on a plot of land,you reap on a plot of land. You sow bountifully on 10 hectares of land,you reap bountifully on 10 hectares of land. This verse is for farmers. Don't be fooled. Your MUMU don do.

Thank you!

Abraham was rich in livestock,silver and gold yet he had no pastor or anybody he gave money to periodically in the act of sowing seed.
His nephew lot was equally blessed and didn't have a pastor he doled out money to

Joseph went on to be a prime minister in a country he came into as a slave yet he had no pastor he sowed or tapped blessing from.

Who did Elijah and Elisha sow seed to?
Jeremiah and Apostle Paul sowed to who?
Nobody
Their blessings came as a result of God's goodness to all.

Seed sowing is a scam

In every miracle or healing /deliverance we read about in the Bible there's not a single one that the individual was asked by Jesus or any of his disciples or apostles to first sow a monetary seed.
Maybe I haven't read it yet.
Have you?

Instead we read things like "thy faith has made thee whole","knock and the door shall be opened,seek you shall find"
If you believe and don't doubt you shall say to this mountain move.
They that wait on the Lord shall be like mount zion, trust in the Lord with all yoir heart etc.
The apostles never preached seed sowing as a condition for God to move.
Jesus didn't teach us that,correct me if I'm wrong.
Until then, i maintain that it's not the gospel that was given to us.

The bible says freely you have received freely give.
The bible says if he didn't spare his son will he not freely give you all things?
The gospel that teaches you to mobilize God with money so you can move his hands is from the pit of hell and the pulpit of your GO.
It is a covetous concoction from greedy men and men who are preaching the gospel for gain.
The woman with the issue of blood,blind bartimaeus,the man by the pool of Bethesda, cripple at the beautiful gate,the 10 lepers, Jairus daughter,the centurion servant ,even the healing of Naaman and the raising of the dead kids by Elijah and Elisha.No money was given to anyone before God moved

Don't be deceived
The answers are in the Word
If your pastor says you sow seed to provide God ,he is a liar and a scammer

Romans 8:32 Amplified Bible
He who did not spare [even] His own Son, but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, graciously give us all things?

Jokerman:
He/She who is without sin should cast the first stone.

David said,"God forbid I touch the Lord's anointed"

Allow God to judge. Stop all these write-ups you do.... You do not know his last moment.

Pursue your own race.

Africans and their emotional ways
The bible says I can judge and said so in several places.
I wonder why you judge Buhari and other criminals why not allow God to judge.
Right now you are judging me too so take a clue from your own stand and see that it neither makes common sense nor biblical sense .