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basilico:
I can boast 8000 likes out of 12.5K posts.
Hmmm. I'm unwanted here.
By people who support abortions .

Lol. It now makes sense why you and your group of incels go around liking each other's posts.
If I did the math, I'm sure you'd be the one of the lowest rates on here even with Bemeruca liking all your posts.

Xavier5:
It's been days of discussion on the issue of abortion, and I must say it's amazing. Regarding this, I feel the need to give a summary of all I've been saying regarding the issue of abortion.

I hope everyone realizes what he's been doing by now.
I can't be the only one.

IjeBos:
So it is the latter? As I thought.
You are obviously aware you are not a liberal but it serves your purposes to pretend you are to engage other liberals on abortion and other matters.
It would be a good technique if it weren't so obvious.
Question, where did you learn this? Was it self taught or was it in some church you belong?
And don't you think it's deceptive?

basilico:
Ijebos and Co. They will never see anything wrong with Kamala. Not because she is a woman of color, but because they hate Trump. They make every excuse for her failings

I think both of you should be banned for this stuff.
People are dying and need aid and your at this point purposefully spreading this misinformation.
What purpose does it suit any of you?
You both are trash human beings.

Xavier5:
Regarding the issue of intrinsic human value, I will address that next week when chanced. And unlike what IjeBos said, it's not a religious belief but a philosophical one. I uphold the belief, religion or no religion, and I will be addressing it from a philosophical lens, and not a religious lens.
#Xavier

Cut the Bullshit. Your argument was predicated on religion from the jump. It's an easy argument to recognize.
Is disingenuous not to be honest on the basis of your argument. You're being too clever by half.
It wasn't a surprise that one of your first "philosophical" arguments mentioned religion that Budaatum called out.
I think it's shady and manipulative the way you went about this whole thing.

basilico:
You are Harvard material but everyone else here thinks little of you.

Well, you aren't Harvard material and everyone here thinks little of you.
Still rather be me, abi?

budaatum:
"Camouflage for some imaginary God", I called it. Like they want to bring their God in through the back door and hope we don't notice!

How I wish they wouldn't try to insult my intelligence by insulting themselves.

I'll disagree with the "imaginary God" part of your argument, but it is true his argument was somewhat of a camouflage. From the jump, I could tell whatever argument he made in support of his pro life position would have a religious undertone to it.

LordReed:
Maeve7, budaatum

It occurred to me that they might actually be referring to our instinctive drive for survival. But I don't consider that an intrinsic human value, it's a biological imperative like hunger pangs. What do you think?

His intrinsic value argument is based on Christian beliefs. Christianity is also the basis for what I can tell most if not all of his argument. It's the same form of "liberalism" that fueled the Catholics pro-life movement in the 70's.
Christians believe humans are created from the image of God and for HIS purpose. Hence the intrinsic value.

Xavier5:
Creating a thread is not really my thing, I would love to discuss it here. But if such is not possible, then I think there's an alternative. I'm currently writing a fictional book in which the issue of intrinsic human value will be discussed. I will be releasing the story on Nairaland, and when I do, I will tag you and other interested people to hop in. How about this?

#Xavier

Creating a thread is not your thing. But people should respond to the thread you will create to sell your book to drive traffic?
Did I get it right?

bemeruca:
So [b]Trump [/b]bought a laptop and forged Hunter's email and voice notes. olodo hahaha

Russia did. Which is something up their ally of kompromat.
Here we go. Captain Intellectual Dishonesty's sidekick in action.
But I guess you realize Trump and Russia are synonymous.

I hope your children got your Baby Momma's genes. Esp. since you believe criminality is genetic.
You're a stupid dishonest f*ck.

bemeruca:
only a sick person will believe Russian collusion and question this.
i don't have the time to go into the rabbit hole of what is a fact. Hunter dropped his laptop in a repair shop and the contents of it are legit. no one hacked Hunter's phone to get all those photos, voicemails, and emails.

The guy who lives in a rabbit hole gets cooked by actual facts and now says he has no time for rabbit holes.
The FBI agent the Government called as a witness in Hunter's trial said she did not verify all the contents of the laptop.

Yes, only a sick person would believe the Russians would perpetrated an Operation on the son of Presidential Candidate they don't want elected to help Trump who personally calls Putin, by stealing Hunter's info from other places, placing it on a laptop, then giving that laptop to a partially blind Computer Tech who didn't have a surveillance system in his store who somehow got it to Rudy Giuliani. Yeah, totally unbelievable Russian op.

bemeruca:
that is disgraceful
then tell us why the government submitted it as evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGost-Df23w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO8qtkYaqrU&t=90s

The problem is you spend your life watching youtube videos, being told how to think.
Like Raumdeuter, you don't read and have 0 reference of the US court system.
You don't even seem to be a competent tech person. Not understanding data.

The laptop was admitted into evidence solely for a few documents they were verified.
The judge probably made a bad ruling as there should have been a forensic report filed authenticating the laptop. There wasn't.
The FBI agent testified that she didn't see any tempering, but she didn't even look and she has a small understanding of it.
She only looked at the documents she was given to look at.
Again, the laptop has not been fully verified. People can't even say that the info on the laptop didn't come from other places.

From Hunter Biden's attorney's cross examination of the FBI witness on the Stand at Hunter's Trial

Q. You have no reason to believe the time the FBI acquired the data from Apple, or what you just described, they changed any part of it, right?
A. Forensic examiners?
Q. Yes, the FBI, they didn’t change anything that you know of, did they?
A. No, I have a small basis of my understanding of how they work , I know they do a lot — they create images files of what would be considered the original data, so it doesn’t change the original data, but beyond that, I’m providing what I know.
Q. And the material that came into evidence that you discussed with Mr. Hines yesterday, as far as you know is the way the FBI obtained it?
A. Yes.
Q. And you indicated what you know about what they did with it, but you have no reason to believe the material that you just described yesterday, and I asked you about today, had been changed, altered, it was authentic as you understood it?
A. What I can speak to is when we obtain the data.
Q. Yes?
A. It was authentic from that point forward.
Q. And then when you provided it to us in discovery, discovery meaning you provided material to the defense, that’s the way it was sent, in the same way that you retrieved it?
A. My understanding is you received copies both of our extraction reports and of the full forensic images of the original data.
Q. I think you said, I don’t know that you identified, that as to the device, the laptop, it came into the possession of the government in December of 2019?
A. Yes.
Q. You understand that from the invoice that you showed about a repair shop that it was brought, according to the owner, in April of that year?
A. Yes. The invoice is dated in April.
Q. So can you tell what happened between the time the invoice indicates that device was brought to the shop and when the FBI acquired it six months later?
A. No.
Q. You are aware from your investigation that the person who claims to have gotten it in April indicates he made copies —
MR. HINES: Objection.
MR. LOWELL: I’ll withdraw the question.
THE COURT: Sustained.
BY MR. LOWELL: Q. Will you put up government Exhibit 40? So this is an invoice you identified yesterday, and I referred to, dated the 17th; right?
A. Yes.
Q. And you indicated that that’s one of the things you obtained from the data that was recovered and that was extracted and that you had reviewed?
A. Yes.
Q. And the date of this is the 17th; right?
A. The date of the e-mail is the 17th.
Q. But you know from your investigation that the person who sent this indicates that he got this device five days before?
A. I know from the investigation that yes, it was reported that it was April 12th.
Q. Do you have any notion of what happened in that device between April he 12th, where your investigation indicates that’s when the person acquired it, and April 17th when he sent the invoice?
A. I have some knowledge, but it’s through somebody else’s statements.
Q. So no firsthand knowledge?
A. No firsthand knowledge.
Q. Now, the last point on this. If the person acquired it in April, and the FBI says it acquired that in December, six months later, did your investigation indicate whether what was put on that machine in April was the way it was originally done by Hunter before then?
A. I’m sorry, ask that one more time.
Q. I didn’t say that right. Benchmarks. April 2019, the person says “I got the device.” Right?
A. Yes.
Q. December of 2019, the FBI acquires it?
A. Yes.
Q. What I’m asking is, did you do an analysis to determine whether on the date that this person says he got it, the data he got was in the format, content, or in any way what had originally been put there by Mr. Biden?
A. You’re asking if on the 12th the person that received it?
Q. I’m asking whatever that person got on the 12th, was the way it was originally put, do you know? Did you do an analysis? Did you find out whether any of the files had been tampered with, added to, or subtracted?
A. I did not. Right, I did not.

bemeruca:
Go watch the 60minute interview. Trump talked about the Hunter laptop and Lesley keeps saying it was not verified. it was, Newpost Verified it and it was there for any media interested to verify it. what did they do? they covered it up and lie to the people it was Russian disinformation without verifying it.

trump said what the previous governor of West Virginia said and they fact checked him. saying it is a lie. this is what they fact checked Trump on.
who discusses or debates if a baby should be killed after delivery? So where is the lie from trump on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

Hunter's laptop was never verified. It can never be verified. The chain of custody has been broken.
Did Hunter have a laptop? Yes.
Is that the physical laptop the FBI has? Maybe.
Is every bit/byte of data on the laptop Hunter Biden's? That is unverifiable.
Some of the info on the Laptop was not originally on the laptop, someone put it on there after it left Hunter's possession.
No forensic analysis can be done that says the laptop is Hunter's as the chain of custody was broken.

You say you are in Tech. But every even a basically competent tech person understands the difference between a physical device and the data stored in it.
You deal in basic misinformation a rational tech person would understand.

What the experts found
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.

Maxey had alerted The Washington Post to this issue in advance, saying that others had accessed the data to examine its contents and make copies of files. But the lack of what experts call a “clean chain of custody” undermined Green’s and Williams’s ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive’s contents.

“The drive is a mess,” Green said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

Trump is a traitor.
And unfortunately for him, the US government should have all the intercepts of those calls.

Trump Secretly Stayed in Touch With Putin After Leaving Office, Book Says
A new book by the journalist Bob Woodward also reports that Donald J. Trump, while still in office, secretly sent Vladimir Putin what were then rare Covid-19 tests for the Russian’s leader’s personal use.

Former President Donald J. Trump has secretly spoken with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia as many as seven times since leaving office, even as he was pressuring Republicans to block military aid to Ukraine to fight Russian invaders, according to a new book by the journalist Bob Woodward.
...
The book also reports that Mr. Trump, while still in office early during the Covid-19 pandemic in 2020, secretly sent Mr. Putin what were then rare tests for the virus for the Russian’s personal use. Mr. Putin, who has been described as particularly concerned about being infected at the time, urged Mr. Trump to not publicly reveal the gesture because it could damage the American president politically. “I don’t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me,” Mr. Putin reportedly told him.

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/us/politics/trump-putin-woodward-book.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Qk4.Mb9L.RFIr_L4gfLG_&smid=url-share

cococandy:
It’s very unfortunate. I have family in Florida and I love to visit there. Would be sad to see what the aftermath will be to the beauty of that state.

But according to Ron & co, climate change is a woke ideology made up by snowflake liberals to convince them to give up their freedoms, sell their souls and become gay. Or something something. I don’t even know.

I just know that a lot of the damage will be terribly sad and utterly preventable.

I hope your family is doing ok and moved to safety. The way they are talking about it has me concerned.
And hurricane season isn't even over yet.
The US is going to have to have a real discussion about what this means. I pray there is no loss of life, but the economic damages are going to be extensive.

I feel evil laughing at this.

raumdeuter:
We all know you are a failure, you have failed in almost every endeavor so its understandable that friends and family run away from you

7 more and you will have repeated yourself 10 times. Lol.

raumdeuter:
Have your family not disowned you? Everything about you is shameful so its understandable that they might distance themselves from you

This was definitely not the idea of what they had when they were christening you. You refused to grow up beyond 2nd grade and has been a consistent source of shame to them

Are you on some form of disability?
You sound like you have some form of dementia. You will repeat the same incoherent thing another 10 times today.
And would make sense you average 4 hours here if you are a shut in.
Also, you seem to be projecting about people being victims.

Bemeruca and Basilico.

Here is CNN's fact checker calling out the Republicans for all the lies they have spewing about FEMA and the government response to the Hurricane. And he explicitly called them lies. While the Republican spewing them, hemmed and hawed as for some reason he didn't expect to be called out. No wonder Trump didn't want to go on 60 Minutes and sticks to Fox News.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHN7_fAiy7g

basilico:
I've never seen such lunacy. Because you don't agree and it's all over the news about FEMA diverting funds, Mods should ban you. I had posted this image below a few days ago.

Bemeruca. Never reveal your details here. This lunatic if he got hold of your address is the type that can call FBI and claim you are an ISIS terrorist or something like that . Or call your employer with a fake story just to have you fired.
Obrigardo though mentally incompetent would never do that. Resident idiot is capable of that.

Because you and Bemeruca make a concerted effort to post lies. Posting false information is violation of the forum rules. And doing so during a disaster I think is nasty work.
So I am fully comfortable reporting him. Actually, I think it is my patriotic duty.

Based on all the info he has volunteered here and trying to hack people's info, I didn't think Bemeruca's identity was secret. I just assumed people were being thoughtful in not Doxxing him.

raumdeuter:
Your feeble mind cannot comprehend anything more complicated than A for Apple, B for Ball. You know I told you that you are at 2nd grade reasoning, So its not your fault. Its your brain that wasnt properly formed

You should reach out to your family for help.
The majority of your posts are some variation of this.
You repeat it over over and over again like a mantra you have to say to feel good about yourself.
Repeating things is a sign of dementia.
Repeating nonsensical things is a bigger sign of dementia.

Hyperchi:
Why can't u call out kamala for not granting fox request for an interview, hypocrisy will not live u

Fox is basically an appendage of Trump's campaign.
She should not go on a Network that had to pay almost 1 Billion Dollars (not naira) for lying about the 2020 election to help Trump try to ferment a coup.

cococandy:
Backing out of an interview because you’ll be fact checked is wild.

So we’re just okay accepting the right as the party of lies? Okay.

The media seems to be.
The lies an obfuscation 60 minutes called out here is wild.
The media has a double standard when it comes to Trump compared to Harris.
They have normalized his behavior.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDIq-0u8wwQ

Obrigardo:
With so many things working against the rapist felon trump who will lose to Harris, this one seems to put the nail in the coffin.

No matter the political party, this is going to hit women to the core. Only Democrats with a full chamber can reverse this wickedness - and Voters know.

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2410081740070091.jpg

Add Georgia as well. The Supreme Court reinstated the 6 Week Abortion Ban. What a decision in this moment. This makes it more likely she'll win the state.

Georgia Supreme Court Restores State’s 6-Week Abortion Ban
The ban will resume while the court considers an appeal to a decision that had briefly allowed greater access to abortions in the state.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/georgia-supreme-court-abortion-ban.html

Xavier5:
I addressed this genuine concern of yours in one of my write-ups. Here it is below;

#Xavier

I guess your "I'm a liberal" stance was a pretext to have a full throated discussion about the pro Life position in this thread afterall .
Who would have thought? (sarcasm)

raumdeuter:
How is Tim Kaines position different than Xavier5

Does Tim Kaine claim to be liberal?
Is he anti abortion?
Does Xavier5 claim to be liberal?
Is he anti abortion?

My mind can't even comprehend the rubbish you are asking.

Kaine considers himself a left leaning centrist or a moderate. Hence his positions.
Murkowski considers herself a Conservative leaning centrist or a moderate. Hence her positions.
Xavier claims to be a liberal. His positions are contrary to that. He may be a Nigerian liberal or like Murkowski a conservative leaning Moderate.

You somehow think that people must be either Conservative or Liberal.

You should really read a book. You don't understand how much you don't know because you don't read.
I'm not joking. Read some books or editorials in the Newspaper. May make you smarter. But you have such a deficit who knows.

raumdeuter:
Now to the flip side
wirinet budaatum, xavier5
Is the woman in the picture conservative or liberal?

She is a Republican Senator and supports abortion

Murkowski is a known moderate.
Again, you have 0 idea how this works.

raumdeuter:
I wrote a long post on liberals who oppose abortion and conservatives who support abortion but spaaambo00t wont let me post it

wirinet, budaatum, Xavier5

Is the person below Conservative or liberal?

I keep saying you have 0 idea how any of this works.
1.) There are lines in between. Someone can be not liberal and not conservative.
2.) You can be personally against abortion like me yet still believe it is a person's choice to make.

raumdeuter:
Almost everyone here knows you do not have a basic understanding of anything. You consistently display the nous of a toddler. Which book have you read and understood beyond admiring the colors?

You keep talking about this understanding of yours. What proves it, the nonsense you post here?
What do you have to back it up?

You keep talking about pro choice while saying let the states decide.
Being pro choice is the belief that women are solely responsible for their bodies. It is not the belief that states should decide what woman in that state can do with their body.
Read a fvcking book instead of spending so much time running your mouth about sh*t you don't understand.
I always feel embarrassed for your dumb ass.

As if common sense can make up for a deficit of education. That is what people without those educations and therefore without any common sense say.

raumdeuter:
Anyone with slight common sense will see that is advocating for peoples choice is choosing the way they want to be ruled in their different states but braindead losers like you will not understand it

You keep repeating it while still not understanding what you're writing.
That is not PRO CHOICE.

You might want to stop relying so much on what your call your "common sense" and instead read a fuckign book.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of sense in your "common sense".

raumdeuter:
You are known around here to be very senseless anyway so I am not shocked

Raum, Mr. Pro Choice, aka Captain Intellectual Dishonesty
You should go pick up a book and figure out what Pro-Choice means. No it does not mean states should choose if a woman can control her body.

raumdeuter:
Which s the point of the SCOTUS ruling. If more people feel like Melania then vote in their states and make it a law like Kansas did, If more people feel the opposite of what Melania feels then put it on ballot and outlaw abortion in their state
The beauty of democracy Each state decide your destiny

raumdeuter:
Any society that loves handmade should put it on votes and choose to. Its the point of democracy

raumdeuter:
Places like Kansas already put it on the ballot and it won. Let every state decide through the ballot what they want

bemeruca:
are you forgetting Adam Schiff and the whole Russia collusion crap are out there?

Your Bullshit are not Facts.

Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election

The report is the culmination of a bipartisan probe that produced what the committee called “the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed.” The investigation spanned more than three years as the panel’s leaders said they wanted to thoroughly document the unprecedented attack on U.S. elections.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election

Xavier5:
As I always tell people, conservatism and liberalism are broad spectrums containing various school of thoughts. Yes, at the core values, they all agree, but in some cases, there will be disagreement or variants, just like we see in every other worldviews e.g theism, Christianity etc

Calling someone "not conservative" or "not liberal" because of their pro-choice or pro-life views respectively, is like a theist calling a deist "not theist"; or a Protestant calling a Catholic, "not Christian"; or a polytheistic Hindu calling a Monotheistic Hindu (like Vivek Ramaswamy), "not Hindu"; or a pro intelligent design Christian calling a theistic evolution Christian, "not Christian; or a pro-life Christian calling a pro-choice Christian, "not Christian". It's funny and ridiculous as hell 😂😂😂

This is the reason why most pro-choice conservatives and pro-life liberals do not express their views, and lots of them that do, claim independents (in other to avoid opposition) before doing so. Only few like me... and you... are bold enough to speak and stand their ground in the face of opposition.


#Xavier

1.) Independent isn't the middle of Conservative and Liberal. Moderate is.

2.) You've made the choice to call yourself a liberal, I'm not sure why. Is their power in that word?
Some people's perspective range. And so I'm not sure why anyone would want to be constrained by one box. I have social conservative views but I'm liberal in the rest of my thinking. I'm a registered independent because neither the Dems pr Republicans fully encapsulate my views.
I think that's ok.