Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 12:42am On Oct 04, 2024 |
budaatum: No society loves Handmade Tails, and societies that have Handmade Tails imposed on them would never let their people vote.
Good thing America isn't that society, and will democratically reject dump, again. Imagine someone saying put HandMaid's tale on the ballot. He has 0 idea what he is talking about. Just running his mouth as usual. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 12:04am On Oct 04, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Any society that loves handmade should put it on votes and choose to. Its the point of democracy Holy Shit you are one stupid person. Pick up a book and learn something. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 11:31pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Kamala a woman says she is Okay with her name Amazon a woman says she is okay with the name and understands Millions of women say they are okay with it and understand that the unique identifiers
But you the perpetual loser a failure, a victim who has never spent 1 second as a woman is whining on behalf of women who are smarter than you You and Bemeruca are ok being self hating Black people. What's your point? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 11:30pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
LordReed: I dunno but I see it the other way round. Calling females by their first name to me in empowering since their first name is theirs while their surname is their fathers' or husbands'. To me calling a woman by her surname is kinda "shifting the glory" to either her father or her husband. Hmm.. Even in that system, the women exists as part of her husband. So, she has to user he first name to somewhat differentiate him as he is the last name. So, it may be more empowering than her current situation, but does she have as much power as her husband? But I get your point in that. But when you're talking about elected positions with titles/honorifics, it's worse when it happens. In 2020 when Harris was debating Pence, the moderator called her Kamala Harris, she quickly apologized and said Senator Harris. Harris said, "That's fine, I'm Kamala". But what else was she going to say? Why should she be even in that position to have to say anything. In that debate the moderator never called Pence, Mike Pence. And the moderator was a woman. It's implicit that we have been programmed to do it and aren't conscious of it. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 11:18pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: There are thousands of immigrants and people with foreign sounding first names or last name that are doing great
That you are a serial failure has nothing to do with your last name. I am certain the same last name you blamed for your numerous failures in life, if you go on linkedin and search your exact last name you will see many people with that same name doing well in America
That shows you that failure is peculiar to you as a person and nothing to do with your name
This young guy in Bidens admin in Treasury his last name is Adeyemo, Barack Hussein Obama got into top law firms and became a Senator and 2 times president but you think a name is the problem
I am not shocked your retardedd self was here bitchingg about women going by their first names, when women dont see a problem with it
If you notice, its a unique thing with you. Failure, excuses, victimhood this is why I am certain you wont amount to anything in life This is the definition of implicit bias. I've met woman who believed Clinton wouldn't have been a good president because she is a woman. You and Bemeruca hate black people even though you are black. Implicit bias includes the subconscious feelings, attitudes, prejudices, and stereotypes an individual has developed due to prior influences and imprints throughout their lives.[b] Individuals are unaware that subconscious perceptions, instead of facts and observations, affect their decision-making [/b] I realized what it is about you. You're not particularly successful nor have successful people around you. You think successful people didn't use white sounding middle names to become successful. And once they are successful they shouldn't care about figuring out their implicit biases or racism or sexism. You can't understand why anyone successful would care about these things because you are inherently selfish, a failure and insecure about it. I see a lot of you in Nigeria. People who ain't shit who want to pretend they are and so run their mouth trying to keep up with the Big Boys. And so, you are the epitome of what I hate about Nigeria and the reason Nigeria is in the place it is. . You're a loudmouth know-nothing. Proud that he is a know-nothing. You aren't particularly educated, particularly smart or particularly thoughtful. What you are good at is running your mouth about things you've spend less than 1 second thinking about. Enjoy running your mouth and your daily 4 hour quota. |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 9:42pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Did you change your last name or employers didn't see your African sounding last name too? As I said being unaware of this means you haven't really accomplished much. Any foreigner applying for a sought after job knows about this. Your posts tell on you and who you are and aren't. And you clearly ain't shit. And again, here you go with the Intellectual Dishonesty and goal shifting. Go read something. I've done half the work for you and supplied you the links. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 9:32pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
AmazonTopaz: Read the responses to this thread.
https://x.com/dremilyportermd/status/1841494935842734086?t=wJyIwKOx6AMx-vreYk6Y8w&s=19[/quote]I've gone through tons of posts on a lot of threads. X, Reddit. etc. etc. I struggled with it last month when I first heard something similar. I see both sides, but the more I read, the more I was convicted about the implicit bias in it.
So, I think both can be true. It can be true that Kamala uses that as her brand, and to evince some familiarity. And it can also be true that overall in society we call women their first names to take their power away. I don't see loggerheads there. Biden likes people calling him Joe as well (His bus had his name Joe in fact, just like Kamala). But we refer to him as Biden more often.
So, this post on the Tweet you linked speaks to part of the reasons why why I think there is a bias. And I'm sure part of the marketing in her name was to make her not threatening to men, like those men in PA, WI, etc. etc.
I think we should think about WHY a woman’s marketing/election team may have felt the need to use her first name in the first place. So she’s more “relatable” or “demure”? It’s so engrained most of us don’t even realize it. I think the Mayo Clinic study is the telling one. Females Doctors were called by their first name more frequently than men. Those women aren't marketing themselves using their first names. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 9:19pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 9:10pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Did you test this theory out or you just swallowed it hook, line and sinker because you subcontracted your thinking process out?
Its only a real thing for deranged mind like yours. Nancy Pelosi is a female and she is a politician, Margaret Thatcher is female and a politician, Elise Stefanik is female and a politician, Amy Klubacar is female and a politician, Tulsi Gabbard is female and a politician. Does this theory work on them?
When you are in a lunatic driven rabbit hole, then stop digging
Or do you refer to Nancy Pelosi as Nancy, Sonia Sotomayor as Sonia, Margaret Thatcher as Margaret, Elise Stefanik as Elise? or Okonjo-Iweala as Ngozi? Or these are not women enough? I read your posts and feel sad for you You've made so many elementary logic fallacies and are too uneducated to even understand you are making them over and over. There is no value even going through it with you as you'll do as you always do; revert to intellectual dishonesty when I trash your points as I always do. In all honesty, your post is a road map of a third tier education. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 8:49pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
AmazonTopaz: @Ijebos I understand his point
Even Kamala will prefer to be called by her first name and I understand the rationale.
I call her Kamala too because it is her unique identifier for me.
I can also see your point too but I don't think that is a big deal. And I think I wrote about this before. These type of implicit biases extend to black names as well. My ex was applying to jobs at white shoe law firms. In some she used her Nigerian name and the others she used her white(dad is white) middle name. She got called back on the applications she used her white name with..  I think people have even done studies on this since. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 8:44pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Former County Clerk Tina Peters Gets 9 Years in Prison for Tampering With Voting Machines
This shocked me. These Trumpers are really insane.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 8:33pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
AmazonTopaz: @Ijebos I understand his point
Even Kamala will prefer to be called by her first name and I understand the rationale.
I call her Kamala too because it is her unique identifier for me.
I can also see your point too but I don't think that is a big deal. So 1.) I dismissed his argument off hand as Harris's name doesn't need differentiation as opposed to say the Clintons. There is no reason not to call her VP Harris as we do VP Pence (I can barely even remember his first name). The two studies that were linked in the article studied 1.) Doctors and 2.)Professionals. Similar implied biases. The Mayo Clinic Study found: Women doctors are twice as likely to be called by their first names than male doctors Women patients were 40% less likely to use their doctors' first names. And the Cornell University Study found: A Cornell University report from 2018 noted how this discrepancy starts young — college students were nearly 56% more likely to call a male professor by his last name on the review site Rate My Professor. Male and female doctors, professors, and even vice presidents all have to earn their degrees and titles the same way, and yet we insist on calling professional women by their first names. I think it's a real thing. And when I heard about this a month ago, I thought about it in my life and said wow never realized I did that. That's the nature of implied biases. I've since made every effort to address it. It's hard. 2.)I think Politicians prefer people calling them by their first names esp. Even Biden. It's intended to breed familiarity. But we still call him by his honorific/title and last name Pres. Biden. Not so much for women esp. VP Harris. The article speaks of the same thing. 3.) And there are some battles people want to stay away from because they don't want to call attention to it. Just Obama and race. I think Harris doesn't want to reinforce to certain people that she is a woman in this race. So, it's one battle she'll not fight. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 8:18pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
AmazonTopaz: No disrespect to your niece but her viewpoint is not helping anyone. If she is concerned she should volunteer and help Harris get a Democratic Congress. Not wanting her to win based on hypotheticals is silly particularly when the alternative is a lunatic. You're right. She is 14. I say niece, but this one is an older friend's daughter, who sees me as a 2nd dad. Her dad didn't grow in the US, so doesn't see these things the way I see them. I was somewhat disappointed when she said that, but was more concerned as to where it was coming from. I assume she picked up the language somewhere in the spaces she traverses. And it made me even more concerned that she had internalized it, feeling inferior. We had a long chat about it. And I did something similar to what you said. 1.) I made her write me a 2 page paper on her arguments as to why she thinks what she thinks. Include in it some of the policies that concern her as a black girl and whether it would be better if Trump won vs. Kamala. She's really smart and in the paper she made a good point. She said she is concerned that people don't see women as ready to be President so that may make Trump win.  2.)I made her watch the debates with me. And she was super super impressed with Harris. 3.) Also told her exactly what you said, that she should volunteer at a phone bank for whatever candidate she wants to win. Told her that she has to be invested in the change she wants. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 6:35pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: You don't need to give a shit about my opinion. People are called by whatever name is Unique and will avoid less confusion. I have provided multiple examples but you cannot think which is why our education is always questioned and I am certain you are the dumbest poster here because no one will bring such bullshitt reasoning when just 3 mins of reasoning will sort it out. You so called implicit bias theory was destroyed by me in less than 2mins. That is superior education. After getting schooled you likely realized how stupidd that opinion was instead of admitting, you start Yada yada, Word salad, trump supporter like a toddler learning to speak 
I am asking you
Now lets test your theory and tell me if you call these famous women by their first name or last name Nancy Pelosi, Sonia Sotomayor, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Margaret Thatcher
Most people will call the above women by their last name Pelosi, Sotomayor, Thatcher, Stefanik, Okonjo-Iweala and not their first name because that name is distinct enough and causes less confusion to the average listener
Or do you refer to Nancy Pelosi as Nancy, Sonia Sotomayor as Sonia, Margaret Thatcher as Margaret, Elise Stefanik as Elise? or Okonjo-Iweala as Ngozi? Or these are not women enough?
Well, Democrats have a problem defining what a woman is anyways Yes, your simplistic post destroyed my argument, the argument of the writer of the post and the argument advanced by the studies. You're smarter than me, better educated than me, whatever schools you went to were better than mine, you spend less time on here than me, you are more successful than me, make more money than me and your g/f is badder than mine. Do those lies help you feel adequate and more secure now? Begone you loser. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 6:12pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Vance decided to go all in and say Trump Won in 2020.
Incredibly stupid. Yesterday, Jack Smith's filing showing Trump knew he didn't win. Today, Vance said Trump won. Guess they want to remind everyone how much of a Liar they are and relitigate this 30 days before the election.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 6:11pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
budaatum: Reminds me of John Kerry for president. He sounded so much like he was campaigning to post graduates that even undergrads didn't understand what the heck he was saying.
Dump, of course, tacked right, and talks hilly billy, and is 'understood' by deplorables. He says great but they know he means 'white'. Exactly, Dems usually pick one of the smartest people on the Bench, Republicans still call them dumb, while Republicans pick people like Trump and Bush who are, well, not the smartest on their bench. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 5:41pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: Extreme foolishness and the victimhood has done irreparable damage to you thats why you are always a victim and can never be succesful
A name is to serve as a unique identifier as much as possible, So people address you by a name that is distinct and will cause less confusion.
If you say Harris, there are many Harris that can be confused for each other but if you say Kamala there are fewer Kamala than Harris. Kamala will serve more as a unique identifier for Kamala Harris than say Harris
When you say Clinton, There was a popular Clinton that people already know which is Bill, to distinguish, you have to say Hillary which zeroes in on the person you are speaking about same thing with Michelle Obama
The same logic when people are describing Bush. If you say Bush, there are likely different people that can be confused for it, That is why people use the differentiators like HW, W or Jeb. Actually When Jeb Bush ran his campaign he was called Jeb all through and he was not a woman Even in Basketball, While some male ballers are more popular by their first name, some are more popular with their last name. People address Lebron Shaquille Kobe with their first names and Jordan, Durant, Westbrook by their last names or in your view its implicit bias that's making people address men differently?
Now lets test your theory and tell me if you call these famous women by their first name or last name Nancy Pelosi, Sonia Sotomayor, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Margaret Thatcher
Most people will call the above women by their last name Pelosi, Sotomayor, Thatcher, Stefanik, Okonjo-Iweala and not their first name because that name is distinct enough and causes less confusion to the average listener
Or do you refer to Nancy Pelosi as Nancy, Sonia Sotomayor as Sonia, Margaret Thatcher as Margaret, Elise Stefanik as Elise? or Okonjo-Iweala as Ngozi? There's an article there with 2 studies in it. (You may want to google what a study is). One by the World Renowned Mayo Clinic. The other by Cornell University. Yet, your know-how and "common sense" is superior. So, here you are rationalizing it the way only a bullshit artist can. There's a reason you're a Trump supporter; you're too stupid to recognize the breadth of you own intelligence or lack of it on any matter. I don't give a shit about your opinion. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 5:17pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: You have failed all your life in every endeavor that says enough about you Here's your chance. Tell me the endeavors I've failed in. List them out. Be exact. But you can't. But you write this like it's you life's mantra. Do you understand how unwell that makes you. How broken of a person. You've spent 4 hours a day since 2014 writing nonsense like this. What happened to you Trump nutters that makes you act like lunatics? You lost, I've beat you in every argument here, be a grown up and get over it. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 5:01pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Implicit Bias I'm guilty of as well. Thougts? Call the vice president by her (last) name The Sunday afternoon President Biden stepped back from the 2024 race, I was on the phone with my mom. “Well, Kamala is the obvious pick,” we agreed. Later that day after Biden’s support for the vice president was announced, I was on several text threads, most of them echoing something like this: “I’m so excited about Kamala;” “Come on, Kamala;” “Kamala looks great;” “Very excited about Kamala!” and simply “Kamalaaaaaaaa.”
No one referred to her as “Vice President Kamala Harris,” the VP, Kamala Harris, or even simply Harris. And while it may seem trivial, before this goes any further, we need to start calling the vice president by her full name.
A 2022 Mayo Clinic study found that female doctors were twice as likely to be called by their first name compared with their male counterparts. And this happens across professions and class lines — even to first ladies like Dr. Jill Biden who happen to also be college professors. A Cornell University report from 2018 noted how this discrepancy starts young — college students were nearly 56% more likely to call a male professor by his last name on the review site Rate My Professor. Male and female doctors, professors, and even vice presidents all have to earn their degrees and titles the same way, and yet we insist on calling professional women by their first names. https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2024/08/09/vice-president-kamala-harris-election-laura-hertzfeld |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:57pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
IjeBos: My man, 4 hours a day. You spend 4 hours a day on Nairaland. You should go and hide and never show your face again.
Holy Sweet Jesus, 4 hours a day since 2014? Dude, noone is causing your failures but you. Not the immigrants, not other black people. Lol. You've spent 4 hours a day here since 2014. I think that says enough about you.
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:56pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: You supported Biden 4yrs ago? That is news to me.
And what economy realities are you talking about? How come high inflation was global phenomenon immediately after covid? You should appreciate Bideneconomics, you would have been worse off.
The inflation started with The Biden rescue plan which was an injection of government spending, at $1.9 trillion (or about 9 percent of overall U.S. economic activity, i.e. GDP) at that time. This boosted overall spending in the economy, which, in turn, counteracted the sharp rise in unemployment and spending cuts by both households and businesses that resulted from the COVID lockdown.
Remember, Biden’s American Rescue Plan focused on direct stimulus checks to households, providing funds for state and local governments to sustain their public health, education and public safety programs, the expansion of unemployment benefits, the protection of workers’ pension plans, and expanding the tax credit program for low-income families with children.
The Biden rescue plan, did indeed prevent a 1930s-level economic collapse in 2021. Unemployment in the U.S. could well have risen to perhaps 15-20 percent in 2021. But this achievement by the Biden administration has gone mostly uncredited, given that it succeeded in preventing a calamity that did not happen, as opposed to advancing a positive economic breakthrough of some sort.
But the good news is that inflation is coming down, economy is stronger, more jobs have been created and things are looking forward...
Just so bad that Biden is made to take the fall for Covid measures which Trump badly mismanaged. Americans should be grateful for Bidens economic measures not crucify him... but of course the easy thing to do is to blame the current government for the inflation without looking at the cause. This is a good post, but too complex for a lot of people on here. And too complex for Biden or Harris to make a case for in a debate. And that's the problem, some people have to experience the bad before they understand it, yet a good leaders goal is to prepare and prevent it. And that is the reason they've tried to steer away from talking about it. They have a good case, but it's a too complex case to fit in a sound bite. And Republicans are always intellectual dishonest in these type of discussions. How many people are giving Obama the credit for the Economy Trump inherited and how he managed the Economy and the bailouts he had to do enact to keep the World Economy from crashing. The thing that pissed me off the most, was that Trump ran on Obama's terrible economy. The minute he got into office he said the Economy was great. Why? Because he said, of course now he's President. History books will judge Biden well for this. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:42pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Xavier5: Being attacked by the left and the right for my "unpopular views" na normal thing sha.
You should see me having to explain my Liberal values whenever I'm called "not being liberal enough" because I chose to appeal to the liberal value of reasoning which made me not to propagate those narratives of the "powers that be of the left" that are ridiculous and false. E funny die 😂😂😂
Make I no even talk about that of MAGAs whenever I oppose Trump, that one na another case 😂😂😂😂😂.
Wonders 😂😮
Me, after 2016 in which I supported Hillary (I'm still heartbroken she didn't win. When she gave her speech at the DNC, one of the things that came out of my mouth was, "This should have been the President." ), 2020 I was just looking at Trump and Biden like a zombie, same way I'm looking at Trump and Kamala 😂😂😂.
#Xavier You are not liberal. You sound like a pre-Trump Republican in the mold of George Bush. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:41pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: 2016, Hilary spent 760M on campaign Trump spent less than half of that. Yet she lost
Maybe these ad will make groceries cheaper or reduce the cost of living. Haley voters for Harris you mean Democrats who tried to vote in GOP primaries?
Haley herself is supporting Trump
Haley supporters ignore your economic realities, ignore the failed policies of the last 4 yrs, ignore that you cant afford the same things you could last year and just vote against your economic interest because the "Haley for Harris" campaign will subsidize and make things cheaper for you The problem is your logic is always flawed. You ascribe blame to Biden and Kamala for inflationionary policies and thus if Trump is elected Inflation will decrease. Yet you cannot name one policy Trump will enact that will ease inflation or one policy Trump enacted that made the economy great (while he was President) outside of getting ti from Obama. And yet cannot also explain why the whole WORLD post Covid had inflation (where the US fared the best), including Nigeria which now has crippling inflation. Everything you post is faux intellectual puff that tries to disguise that you have 0 idea what you're talking about. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:35pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
AmazonTopaz: For Kamala to be a successful President she needs the House and Senate to make any meaningful change. I agree with you, this is a big shoe to fill because if she messes up, misogynists will tell us that women should not be in power despite incompetent men like Trump, Hoover, Reagan etc being in power.
I want her to succeed and I hope she gets to nominate SCOTUS Justices if she stays for up to 8 years. My niece doesn't want her to win because of this. She's scared if anything happens they will blame women and black women for it. I was somewhat surprised at that comment. Never thought of it. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:32pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Xavier5: Na which Harry Potter stunt you wan pull 🤣🤣🤣
Everybody with their view on the issue. Same way a couple of folks I've engaged with told me Walz made an unwise choice being Kamala's VP. In their view, a man of his capacity should have been the main guy. That's just it.
This is election, so many likes and dislikes are flying all over the place, but one thing is certain, Vance and Walz, love them or hate them, are way more presidential than their principals. For Trump and Kamala, I'm so livid with GOP and DEMS. A lot of the sentiment you hear and I hear is implicit sexism. I realized a lot of Nigerian men do not want Harris to win because it will affect theit world view and their belief that they are dominant over woman. Cna't relaly tell your wife you're a woman and I'm a man so I have more power, when the most powerful person in the world is a woman. And everyone has that implicit bias, I realized even I do. I call Harris by her first name Kamala and Trump and Biden by their last. Why? Read a good article that it's sexism and it happens to a lot of female doctors. So, I've been making an effort to call her Harris. Xavier5: One, I don't vote who I feel is not worthy of my vote. I need to be at peace with my conscience.
Two, nothing will make Americans lose their power to vote, not now, not in the future, except you are trying to tell me that the democratic and governmental institution is weak. But, it's not, it's stronger than anyone, be it Trump or Kamala, so how will "we the people" lose the right and power to vote?
It's boring and annoying having to hear this narrative. "Trump is a threat to democracy. Trump is this, Trump is that..." All that's bullshit, neither Trump or Kamala is greater and stronger than America's democratic and governmental institutions. These institutions stands supreme over all. So no right or power is going anywhere. As it should be... 😎
#Xavier Trump really is. A lot of what Presidents' have been restrained by in the past has not been laws but norms. Trump blew up a lot of those norms. And some people quit or didn't do what he wanted because they were afraid of going go to jail. The Supreme Court blew that up with the immunity ruling. Now, as long as the President couches his actions through some Presidential action, he's ok. Lock someone up, President controls the DOJ, ok. We are on the precipice. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:21pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Xavier5: MY THOUGHTS ON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
Honestly, I have to admit, the vice presidential debate was the presidential debate we were looking for but never got. For the first time in a long while, we were exposed to a civil, respectful, passionate, smart, and patriotic debate, scratch that, discuss between two smart, respectful, passionate, sane, composed, presidential, and patriotic Americans. The debate was way... way... way better by miles to the junks we've been having in the name of presidential debates.
Three set of things I noticed from the comments of wall street journal were I watched the debates (I preferred an independent media rather than a right wing or left wing media in other to avoid the right wing or left wing bias comments, the audience of wall street journal were a mix of civil and sane liberals, conservative and independents) were;
* Vance and Walz were more presidential than their principals. * Audience wished Vance and Walz were the presidential candidates instead. * It was the debates Americans had been looking for; civil, respectful, smart, passionate and patriotic.
And I'm 100% in agreement with that. For the first time in a long time, I saw liberals and conservatives seeing eye to eye with each other, and disagreeing respectively in the comments. For the first time in a long while, patriotism was the order of the day. The aura of Vance and Walz truly rubbed off on the audience.
One of the most beautiful thing was hearing, "I agree with Vance on this," "I agree with Walz on that." The empathy Vance showed towards Walz when he talked about his mass shooting experience was heartwarming, likewise how they focused their attention on each other when one was speaking, it showed they were willing to listen, and probably learn.
As I said, I'm 100% in agreement that these two should have been the presidential candidates instead of their principals. Vance had the cerebral capacity, and Walz exuded enormous passion to serve his country. With these two as presidential candidates, irrespective of who would have won, America would have been in good hands. That's how it should be rather than a situation where one gets scared when a particular candidate wins. The greatest miracle Americans would be eternally grateful for is waking up and finding out that these two are the presidential candidates 😂😎😁.
Who won the debate? To me, both won. They showed that there's hope for America. They showed that we have people that are willing and passionate to serve this great country. Both made their case to the best of their abilities, and I can tell from the body language of the moderators that they enjoyed the show, who wouldn't? I almost didn't want it to end.
Someone asked me, if Vance and Walz were the presidential candidates, who would I have supported?
Now that's a tough choice, but after reflecting on it for quite some time, I will say, Tim Walz. Why? Well, when I see Tim Walz, I see a patriotic, competent and passionate leader and servant of the people. Don't get me wrong, Vance is a smart, sane, cool, patriotic, and passionate guy also (he's willingness to grant interview and engagements both with left and right wings media and audience is highly commendable), yes he has his flaws, but he's an amazing guy whether you love him or hate him, he's someone I would love to see run for president someday. As I said, Vance is an amazing guy, but I prefer Tim Walz for the reasons mentioned.
Aside that, the performance of Tim Walz right from his time as Congressman to his moments as Governor has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive. Yes, he's made bad decisions and said things that were either wrong or false as a political leader; yes, I don't agree with all his views and policies, but nevertheless, hate him or love him, he's a competent leader, and way more presidential than Kamala and Trump combine.
When I heard him speak during his unveiling as the vice presidential candidate, I was like, "This should be the presidential candidate." And I'm not being sexist here, I will pick an Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosy, or Michelle Obama over Tim Walz, but with Kamala, I'm going with Walz. Kamala doesn't appeal to me for a number of reasons. But if Vivek Ramaswamy is in the scene, forget about it, Vivek Ramaswamy all the way, that's my guy. I guess now, I will be called a Democrat voting Independent for saying I will vote Walz over Vance 🤣🤣🤣.
This is the reason, I'm very mad at the Dems and GOP. GOP had the candidates like Ron DeSantes, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy etc, but chose Trump of all people. Dems had people like Tim Walz, Gavin Newsom etc, but preferred Kamala. Why won't they, when they know they have loyal voting base🤦🙄.
Right now, with Trump and Kamala as the presidential candidates, I'm not supporting neither. As a matter of fact, I've washed my hands off the election. Whoever wins, wins, I don't give a fück. My focus is on 2028.
But all in all, the debate was impressive, and Vance and Walz were amazing. There's hope for America 😊.
#Xavier Can agree with a lot of this. This is how our debates were pre-Trump. Trump changed the game. Some things to point out 1.) Harris was that way in that debate because of Trump. She had to push back on his lies 1.) If she didn't she would have gotten pummelled by Trump and all his lies and name calling and 2.) to reveal his character that a lot of people on the right wouldn't have seen. If she didn't she would have gotten pummelled by Trump and all his lies and name calling. If Harris was debating anyone else, it wouldn't have been that way. Trump is the chaos agent and brings chaos in anything he touches. Look back at the Obama-McCain, Obama-Romney, Bush-Gore or Bush-Kerry debates. Then look at any debate involving Trump. They automatically devolve. 2.) The VP debate was that way because Waltz made a decision not to fact check Vance. And he didn't have to because Vance is not the Principle. His goal was to push Harris's policies and not get caught up in places or arguments that would hurt Harris. JD Vance doesn't matter, people don't go to vote for a VP. Plus he has been properly trashed already and has been since the debate. If this was a Presidential debate, it wouldn't have been the same. Waltz would have to go after Vance's many considerable lies. 3.) JD Vance was a wolf in sheep's clothing in that debate. Vance and Walz could agree on things, because Vance wasn't articulating Trump or Republican policies. Vance's primary job was to clean up the turd that was Trump's policies and he did that by largely lying about them. Two of the biggest Republican issues he basically backtracked and lied about. He said Trump fixed ObamaCare(lie). He said he didn't want a national Abortion ban (lie). 4.) Wall St Journal is a right wing/conservative paper. If you want a center/right source these days you might want to watch CNN, it's controlled by a Conservative now and it shows in the on air reporting. 5.) And don't worry I still think you're center right. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:06pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:02pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
raumdeuter: There is an insecure guy, who has failed at everything and has no one close to him who loves him seeking validation o the web. He is begging for your endorsement, So kindly give him and make his day My man, 4 hours a day. You spend 4 hours a day on Nairaland. You should go and hide and never show your face again. Holy Sweet Jesus, 4 hours a day since 2014? Dude, noone is causing your failures but you. Not the immigrants, not other black people. Lol. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 4:00pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
Xavier5: Me still trying to understand how I entered this fight 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
raumdeuter, IjeBos My fault. I tried my hardest not to involve you by not directly quoting your name. But it's not really a fault, more like me beating Raumdeuter down. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 3:58pm On Oct 03, 2024 |
ObaIgwe1: This guy has gone viral for giving Vance 'civics lesson' after debate
Some Trumpists here might need to learn from him too by listening to him s l o w l y 
VP has no power to conceive and implement his/her own policies. I think American civics is complex, esp. if you didn't have the opportunity to learn it as a student. And even Americans who did study it, often don't fully understand it let along people who never have and haven't attempted to. The VP is largely ceremonial. Her/His powers are derived from the portfolio the President gives her. Just like any regular person. The VP's biggest power which is surprising is that they are the President of the Senate and can cast tie breaking votes. This was one of the moments Waltz strategically didn't correct Vance. They want to give Harris as much Executive responsibility as possible. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: 2026 Midterm Elections Live! by IjeBos(m): 11:34pm On Oct 02, 2024 |
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