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ono:
Useless views. It is these types of views that’s causing the terrible changes we see in societies in the US and the Western World in general. Your type should be castrated and locked up in a hell hole - with the keys thrown into the Pacific Ocean.

A decent article by the Federalist in the link below.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/23/everyone-is-better-off-when-people-make-marriage-and-family-a-priority/

Yes, so let's force people to get married and have children and arrest those who don't.
Maybe you can sit in their bedroom to make sure they are having sex so they can have kids. Where have I seen that before.
This is the Conservative Mindset.

budaatum:
Christian fundamentals are people. And I do believe you can see that I'd rather not have those imbeciles decide anything for me.

Unfortunately for Repuglicans, the United States is a democracy where the people do get to decide. And I can't wait to see them up their game and try to abolish democracy. Now, that would be a hoot.

And before you say it, I have seen what I would call evidence of some trying to abolish democracy already and turn USA into its own version of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And my response while facetious is full of wonder that some people could so ignorantly be turkeying for Christmas while some in Iran are trying to my body my choice.

The Trump's team plan is to turn the US into a Christian nation.
I appreciate the Constitution and the Founders desire to segregate religion.
I think that is what has made the US so successful. We aren't warring over people personal held religious beliefs as some other countries are.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjdwsZhE_Q&t=84s

raumdeuter:
Moslems do not support abortion, why didnt you claim I am a Moslem?

All your write up on every topic are so infantile and silly. Almost everyone wonders where things went wrong with you

Are you a Muslim?

Everyone who discusses anything with you finds you exhausting.
You supplement bullshit for coherent thought.
And when you get called out on it you continue to Bullshit.

It's ok not to be the smartest person in the room. The goal should still be to learn as much as possible not defending indefensible positions and wearing people out in the process.

raumdeuter:
I have posted multiple times that I support abortion. But in your infinite stupidity you already know I am a Xtian and I defer to Christian rules

Most of what you write about abortion is so illogical it has to come from some personal bias.

budaatum:
If Biden executive ordered the end of climate change and climate continued to change, then Biden obviously failed at ending climate change, I'd say, and I'd laugh at Biden thinking he could executive order the end of climate change and climate change would be executed. I in fact wouldn't want him to be president because he's shown he's not exactly smart at all.

Biden knew he couldn't executive order my body my choice, and therefore didn't. Instead, he executive ordered what he could, and he's out there saying vote Kamala and vote Democrat senators and representatives so Blue has majorities in both houses and can legislate my body my choice.

Even then, I'd still expect some states to find ways to 'my body state choice', state in this case not being We the People. But they will fail in the end, I hope, or throw women in jail for aborting and be the butt of wrath.

I'll just assume you are being somewhat facetious.
This isn't about letting people decide, this is about Christian Fundamentals deciding their religion allows them the ability to determine other people's rights.
If it were about allowing people to decide, Republicans wouldn't be fighting to prevent abortion amendments to be put up for vote.

Arkansas Supreme Court Denies Bid to Get Abortion Measure on the Ballot
A majority on the state Supreme Court sided with the secretary of state, who had rejected a citizen group’s petition for failing to submit some of the necessary paperwork.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/us/politics/arkansas-abortion-amendment.html

raumdeuter:
Everyone has the right to life and It has been argued by anti-abortion people that a foetus is already human and killing the foetus is denying it the right to life

Comparing abortion to slavery is super dumb

So, when women become pregnant they are now incubators and their rights suspended?
It's nonsense thinking singly based on your view of religion.

You sound stupid saying this shit.
Just cut the Bullshit and say you're Christian and as a Christian you think abortion is wrong and people should defer to Christian rules.
As least you won't continuously sound dumb making stupid incoherent rationalizations.

bemeruca:
This dude says he went to Harvard

Where did you go again? Lol
Honestly, you don't even have a casual understanding, let alone a historical understanding of half the bullshit you post here.
It's almost comical you come here peddling your bullshit as if you're intelligent or educated on any of it.

raumdeuter:
What an extremely stupid post

I will expect you know what a fundamental human right is.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

You're fundamentally incapable of compound thought as evidenced by your posts yesterday.
1.) It's pretty rich of you to quote the UN.
2.) The UN also says:

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Preventing someone from getting reproductive medical care could be a deprivation of the right to life and definitely of security (as Canada found harkening them to legalize abortion)

But what is more of a fundamental right than the control of your Body? Tell me what can be a more fundamental right than that?
I'm generally opposed to abortion. But when I thought about rights it forced me to believe that it has to be legal. The greatest right we have is the right to control our own beings. So, I decided up until the point a baby comes out of a body, humans should have absolute control of what happens to their own bodies as there is no more a fundamental right. It sux to say, but I can't even rationalize a counter to that. So, what business do you or anyone else have to decide for me what I can with my body. Why does your opinion matter?

Again, in the past, the US decided that not being a slave was not a fundamental human right. That changed and slavery was abolished not because the Supreme Court thought it was illegal based on the Bill of Rights and that it was a fundamental human right but because the 13th amendment was passed.

budaatum:
It is my opinion that President Biden failed on executive ordering my body my choice due to being "limited by what he could do and that wasn't much".

So, the battle continues until every state in the USA accepts my body my choice.

It's like saying Biden "failed on executive ordering" the end of climate change.

SpaceX:
Is there anything wrong with men regulating laws on human beings? Are you aware that it is the job of a man to protect women from hurting themselves? There is nothing wrong with the government or leaders in authority passing laws on how women should treat or deal with their bodies. Same have been done with skin cream, hair cream etc. The government should be right there in the labour room with them. There is enough space for everyone.

I'll assume most of this post in sarcasm.

SpaceX:
You've been carrying this abortion topic on your head like gala for a whole day, after his explain to you what Trump did about it. The united States consists of different background, religion and everybody so delegating it to the States helps alot because of how complex America is. It selfish if done federally because there are also alot of people who are also against it.

It is selfish to whom? You're arguing that your beliefs should Trump what someone does with their body?
Should we also delegate whether white people should be able to own Black people as slaves to States. Because the "united States consists of different background, religion and everybody so delegating it to the States helps a lot because of how complex America is" right?

ono:
lol, touched another blood vessel somewhere.

You aren't capable.

ono:
I said he walks free not because I don’t understand the word “bail” Mr Ijeshit. He’s a very free man indeed!

So, you wrote a useless post. Gotcha.
Continue then with ur useless posts.

bemeruca:
Even here they are falling prey. You hear them say project 25. Cnn debunk that stuff that trump has nothing to do with it and what's in it is not radical.

The whole democrat base is based on fear mongering not actual policy. Imagine a Nigerian saying if trump wins she won't be going to the US 🤣 what kind of TDS is that.

Some of them literally think a dictator can arise in the United States 🤡 world.

Fact Check

However, Project 2025 contributors include a number of high-ranking officials from Trump’s first administration, including former White House adviser Peter Navarro and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson.

A recently released recording of Russell Vought, a Project 2025 author and the former director of Trump’s Office of Management and Budget, showed Vought saying Trump’s “very supportive of what we do.” He said Trump was only distancing himself because Democrats were making a bogeyman out of the document .
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-warnings-from-democrats-about-project-2025-and-donald-trump

Imagine a Nigerian lying about living in the US. Yeah, you should probably keep quiet about anything to do with immigrating to the US.

ono:
I heard Kamala say Trump engaged the services of a prostitute, in her speech. And that the common everyday New Yorkers - in a jury, found Trump guilty of falsifying records and others.

Now, I have done my checks and found out that the basis for these claims - as given to the NY AG James and Manhattan District Bragg is the “executive branch” information provided by Hope Hicks and Convicted forger and con man, Cohen. If these details were not given to Bragg and Letticia James, their case against an innocent man Trump will come crumbling down.

Indeed, in the light of the ruling by the Supreme Court of the United States, the information shared by those two - Hope and Cohen are deemed “protected and classified” information that should be shielded and never given to any AG or District AG to prosecute a former President. And in fact, as we argue here, Trump has already requested that all those New York cases that Comrade Kamala based her useless speeches on to taint Trump, be tossed and cancelled.

Why do you think Trump is walking free today if he’s guilty of anything ?


Sadly, many democrats, it seems, don’t read, don’t check anything, do not like to reason, gullible and easily deceived. If they know this, of course they will nail Comrade Kamala on the spot.

Curious post given Trump does the best with the Uneducate/UnderEducated.
You're understanding of the Supreme Court case is flawed.
Trump is a convicted Felon who is out on Bail on other Felony counts. Bail isn't meant to detain people but to assure they come back to trial. And on some charges people aren't locked up until their sentencing.

raumdeuter:
These examples are people who can't relate to struggles of families

Examples of personal attacks? Are you watching the DNC convention at all? Is that not all they've been doing about Trump's personality rarely about policy

How Trump is a divorced man, a philanderer, etc to promote Kamala a former sidechic currently married to a divorced man

Just a very weird post.
Can you quote me where you had the same criticism of the RNC?
Do you have the same criticism of Trump and all his personal attacks and name calling?

The hypocrisy in the GOP is astounding.

Ladyhippolyta88:
His Supreme Court picks are killing progress but some people want me to believe that he is not racist.
If Trump wins I wouldn't bother moving to the U.S. again.

Yeah and they are doing so with ridiculous legal reasoning in their rulings. They contort the law and prior precedence to fit their own policy objectives.
It's aberrant that the branch with the most power is the unelected one.
Hopefully this new found Democratic fight will rub off on the Dems in Congress (if we retain control) and they actually exert their Constitutional Checks and reign in the court.

God willing Harris will win but if the unthinkable happens and If you do move, move to a Democratic state. There will be more protections against whatever Trump tries.

budaatum:
Agreed. He tried and obviously failed, as shown, which is why the hope is Kamala wins and Democrats have majorities in both houses.

If he could have used an executive order to override states on Abortion, it wouldn't be an issue in November.

No one wants to own one up on you Ijebos. You are not dump whom I'd love to own a lot up on.

He didn't fail. He was limited by what he could do and that wasn't much.

budaatum:
See my previous on Biden's executive order. As said, "some states might have opposed his executive order."

Did you read the executive order?
You didn't. The title is puffery.
He strengthened areas he could, Abortion pills, etc.
Here it is
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/

Again, a president can't use an executive order to override states on Abortion.
You should do your homework first before posting.

I do love the fact you want so bad to one up me.
Keep trying and maybe one day you may. (not really)

EnlightenedUFO:
And in September of all times, when he's way down in the polls and not attracting any new voters to himself.

And that is 5 days before the debate.
Please let him do it. Please.

budaatum:
And yet you keep claiming I don't understand.

Clearly you didn't as you just now rewrote what I said after arguing against it for ~6 posts.

budaatum:
You might as well claim an An executive order will not enforce anti segregation laws in states that have laws against it. Period!

For that to happen, a lot of history will need to be forgotten, and not everyone forgets so easily.

Besides, an executive order is not the only tool that could be used. The majority People may themselves democratically elect proabortion Reps and Senators and governors and president!

Listen, you should really read up on Federal powers and what laws the Federal government can make before having this argument. Because you are 100% wrong on the executive order part.
The most the Biden admin can do is write an executive order through the FDA expanding the abortion pill. Then they can wait and see if the Supreme Court overturns that.

Now, if you know different you are welcome to post how an Executive action trumps state laws when the issues are not part of Federal responsibilities as determined by the Constitution and interpreted by the Supreme Court.

You're on a tear today. Wrong Wrong Wrong.

EnlightenedUFO:
Not at all. It's trending news on twitter

Bwaahhahahha.
Please oh, where can I donate (anonymously) to make sure it happens?

EnlightenedUFO:
GUYS, FELON trump WANTS TO HOST AN AWARD NIGHT FOR JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTIONISTS WHO BEAT COPS AND WERE ON THE LOOKOUT TO MURDER HIS VP. MANY ALREADY CONVICTED AND SERVING DECADES IN JAIL.

I think rapist trump knows he has lost this race. What a disgrace.

I hope you are making that up.

budaatum:
Sorry, but you are not even clear on what you are saying.

The Democratic elected President and the Democratically elected Congress passing a law means it is not Democratic!

And "The only way a President can enforce their Personal beliefs on abortion is if" the majority of people first democratically elect that person as president! And the majority of people will only elect that person as president because they the majority share the same belief. Unless they are turkeys voting for Christmas, in which case their stupidity deserves to be roasted.

And yes, the minority who don't share that belief will get it imposed on them by the democratic majority and it will affect them, somehow.

For instance, if a minority are antiabortion and the majority elect my preferred proabortion president, we will impose proabortion on that minority, whether they like it or not, though they can decide not to personally abort and we wouldn't make them.

You literally rewrote what I've said this whole conversation.
Congrats.
But Raumdeuter believes it is only Democratic if it happens in the states or only states should be allowed to force the majorities views on people.
Maybe because he doesn't understand how laws are passed Federally or in States or how an Abortion law would need to be passed.
Next time read the conversation before jumping in.

raumdeuter:
Oprahs opinion should not supercede the opinion of majority of voters in State X or State Y. Oprah can want all she wants, If the voters in state A don't then it wont pass unless she decides to use the Executive order

Here Budaatum, he said it again.

raumdeuter:
The bold is wrong

There is also this option below

If you want abortion rights, put it on the ballot in the respective states and let the voters choose what they want

Wrong!!!!
You may want to read the article and not just the headline next time.
An executive order will not provide abortion rights to states that have laws against it. Period!

budaatum:
Do you see that you've provided your own response and claimed it was what Raum said?

In fact let's take it further. The discussion was about individual states deciding vs. everyone having access to abortion.

IjeBos:
Yes, and that is one of the reasons they didn't support him.
People like Oprah do not believe individual states should decide, they believe that people no matter where they live should have access to reproductive rights. So, he changed his position.

Again, you have gone far upfield of your original point.
Let it go. You were wrong.

budaatum:
Do you see that you've provided your own response and claimed it was what Raum said?
He did not say he was "against Oprah and Congress who would be elected nationally enforcing their personal beliefs on places 'who don't share the same culture as her'". He actually asked a question, and you've taken it as a statement.

He in fact did say that.

raumdeuter:
States put it on ballots and the majority win, We have seen in deep red Kansas where the abortion bill was put on ballot and lost
That is what democracy is about, No one should enforce their personal belief be you Oprah, Trump you or me.
Its your personal belief

Because the only way a President can enforce their Personal beliefs on abortion is if the Legislature passes a law on it. So again, the Democratic elected President and the Democratically elected Congress passing a law means it's not Democratic? And because they pass it it affects everyone even those that don't share the same views or "culture".

budaatum:
But explain please how elected Oprah and elected Congress and elected Governors and elected State houses get elected by those who 'don't share the same culture' as the majority who elect them.

This makes no sense. And is nothing I have argued.

You jumped into an argument without understanding it and are now determined to forge ahead. If you want to defend his position, try understanding it first. Well that is tough, because he doesn't understand it either. Well try understanding what he has written at least.

budaatum:

The discussion was here in public, and "only if States decide is it Democracy" is not what I understood from reading the argument.

This was the genesis of this discussion. It's a public discussion but you jumped into it without understanding the discussion.
Again, this discussion isn't about the the Supreme Court or what will happen in November.

IjeBos:
You are against Oprah and Congress who would be elected nationally enforcing their personal beliefs on places 'who don't share the same culture as her' but are for Governors and State houses who enforce their personal beliefs on people and places who 'don't share the same culture' as them.

You don't see the contradiction there? Why limit it to the states? Why do you think anyone should be forcing their personal beliefs on anyone else?

raumdeuter:
How do states decide? Do they just flip coins to decide? Is it not the voters in individual states who make these decisions like it should be in a democracy

For the last time, the states decide the same way the Federal government decides. Voters elect leaders who pass laws. Unless, it's a case of a new State Constitutional amendment. Only then is it a direct vote.

And I'm done going back and forth with you on this.

budaatum:
But the majority of people have not dictated what people can do with their bodies.

Now, if they do dictate what people can do with their bodies by electing legislators who legislate, that would be democracy. The majority did after all dictate that no one shall be slaves, and that was democracy too, despite needing to be enforced by war.

The discussion which you jumped in was Raumdateur arguing that it should be left to Sates to decide because only if States decide is it Democracy and not being dictated to people.
I asked why States deciding was Democracy yet the Federal government deciding was not Democracy.
Explain the difference in the two.

Please stick to that. I'm not arguing more than that.
I'm not arguing the Supreme Court
I'm not arguing what happens if someone gets an abortion.