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kkins25:
Yeah right... It's always the double standards.. IjeBos, those my free speech give me the right to make racial slurs? Can I defame other people on same account? Come on bruv.. Your arguments are implying "freedom for me, not you."

1.) THe Bill of RIghts talks about what freedoms the Government can't enjoin. Again, freedom of speech does not extend to private enterprise. Twitter before Musk had rules and structures in place to police speech to make the platform an inclusive place for speech. In the Musk era, those structures are gone. Musk will nilly decides which Speech he removes and he does remove speech and still bans accounts. Now it's basically the bad actors digitally shouting over everyone else. That has disrupted and chilled the openness of the speech and the usefulness of the platform.
2.) Unfortunately, it is legal to make racial slurs.
3.) Defaming someone is causing injury to someone else. You can be sued civilly for that.

You should probably understand this stuff before accusing someone of double standards.

bemeruca:
Dude, leave his daughters out of this. Do you show your children everything you do?

Very odd post for you. When have you left anyone's family, real or imagined, out of anything?
Do as I say not as I do.

basilico:
Get this chastity belt from China.
Give your wife the keys. Hermit.
Next image is a girly belt too. She gives you the key.
When You are among men like me You can fond.le the belt and use toilet provided tissue to self-service .
You can have all the peace , the intrinsic secrets you will share both of you collectively.
I don't suffer fools.

Mods don't ban me. please.
Vote for the Pope .

You really are an incel.
Men who have s$x reguarly don't sound like you.

kkins25:
This would be true if the woman was aborting the baby by herself and with no support from society whatsoever.
No lady can independently abort the baby because she still needs the medical equipment and emotional support of society. Society has to invest funds and man hours to develop the safest route for the procedure.

Therefore, like my "wish for drug" example, her autonomy to self infringes on the society's autonomy to refuse her request.

When I say bodily autonomy is the ultimate freedom. I mean it should be even greater than the freedoms in our Bill of Rights. So, take the freedom of Speech. Government can't regulate speech unless under certain circumstances. Aside: Think about that, people want you to believe you have an absolute right to say what you want but you do not have the right to control the thing saying those words.
Anyhow because of that right I don't think the government can regulate who helps you with an abortion. The government can regulate goods for the public good/patient harm. What would be the public good/patient harm in this case that would Trump your own fredoms? And if 'society/government' stopped investing in these goods. Ok. I'm sure there are people who are comfortable doing so that would continue to.

As for the drug example. Yes, the government does have a vested interest in regulating certain drugs for the "public good"/patient harm, can't have super wasted people driving cars etc etc or drugs that kill 90% of the people that use them that people think are safe. But, I can make an argument that there should be limits to that as well. And I think that's changing. Even Trump signed a law allowing the use of experimental treatments to terminally ill patients.

kkins25:
Consequently, it exposes the falsehood in the claim that "autonomy with respect to body is/should be absolute." Ideally, it sounds plausible, but when you "touch grass" it's not.

Another problem that arises from your argument is the subjective view of autonomy. It's not properly defined. A 1 month old baby is still fully dependent on the mother and society and cannot cater for itself.

It's safe to say it isn't autonomous, just like someone with complete paralysis is also dependent on society to cater to their needs. Can we, based on the claim that self-maintainance equates autonomy, "remove" individuals who aren't capable of fending for themselves since they aren't autonomous?

How society views the fetus is indeed relevant. Society is made up of people who were, once upon a time, fetuses themselves. Another example, society always mourns the death of a pregnant woman even more because that's two deaths.

In scientific community, the extraction of stem cells from said fetuses is blanketed with controversy.In fact, the practise of harveting embryonic stem cells is considered unethical. We must now ask, why does society, on one hand recognize the person hood of the embryo and, on the other, dismisses the personhood of same embryo. The answer is politics!

Let's randezvous back to pregnancy. The news of pregnancy, from a societal standpoint, is worth celebrating---It signifies continuity. Flip the coin: the loss of pregnancy can be devastating. Why does something that seems so insignificant cause so much impact?

So, yes, contrary to your claim, society cares a whole lot about fetuses. So much so, that there's a whole science about it.

Just to quickly follow up
1.) It's a longer discussion of Bodily Autonomy than I want to have. But I think at the minimum to have Bodily autonomy you can not be inside the body of someone else.
2.) How society views the fetus and how society feels pregnant women are again irrelevant. You're feelings/views don't matter when it comes to my rights. I can call you an ugly idiot, which could upset you, but would that matter as to my right to Free Speech? Why then would your feelings matter to my right of freedom of bodily decisions?

basilico:
Long and short. RFK Jr does not deserve SS protection I promised to retract if I posted lies.
10 -0.
"In light of this weekend's events, the president has directed me to work with the Secret Service to provide protection to Robert Kennedy, Jr. Both prior to and after the events of this past weekend," Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas announced shortly after Trump's shooting
https://www.foxnews.com/us/rfk-jr-loses-secret-service-protection-after-suspending-campaign

When will you ever learn . He is still on the ballot in 40 states.
Idiot ** 10000

Fact Check
Again, Bullshit. Only 23 States have officially confirmed he met the threshold to be on the ballot. He says he's met the threshold in another 20 States. But that has not been officially confirmed. Since he suspended his campaign he may be pulled from the ballot in some of those states that have been officially confirmed. And in some of those states like Michigan it is too late to have him removed from the ballot.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-map-on-the-ballot-states/

And being on the ballot does not mean you are running for President. The point of the Secret Service protection is to allow him to campaign while protecting someone who may have a shot of being the next President of the US. His campaign has ended.

basilico:
If you want SS protection as an American citizen then run for office. You can take your Chardonnay without a wine glass in Brooklyn surrounded by secret service. And plaster FB or IG like that crook hushhpuppi ( piss be upon him) who spoiled our Nigerian heritage.
Tough luck you trying that you will know racism from the left

You're a beyond stupid person. Try researching and using what little mind you do have.

When determining whether a candidate for the Office of President or Vice President of the United States qualifies as a major candidate, the Secretary has broad discretion and may consider a variety of factors. These factors include, but are not limited to:

• Whether the candidate has publicly announced his or her candidacy and has filed the
appropriate documentation with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and is in
compliance with the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, as amended, and related laws;
• Whether the candidate is actively campaigning on a national basis for the office for which
his or her candidacy has been announced, as demonstrated by operating a national
campaign apparatus, regularly appearing at public events in multiple states, producing and
publishing campaign advertisements and other similar, indicia of a campaign;
• A threat assessment conducted by the Secret Service of general or specific threats directed
towards a candidate;
• Whether, during and within an active and competitive major party primary, the most recent
average of established national polls, as reflected by the Real Clear Politics National
Average or similar mechanism, the candidate is polling at 15% or more for 30 consecutive
days;
• Whether the candidate is the formal or de facto nominee of a major party for President or
Vice President;
• Whether the candidate is an independent or third party candidate for President polling at
20% or more of the Real Clear Politics National Average for 30 consecutive days;
• Whether the candidate is the Vice Presidential running mate of the above independent or
third party candidate.


Commencement and Duration of Protection of Major Candidates
Once provided, the protection should not be withdrawn so long as the Major Candidate continues
to qualify under the above section. The candidate may decline protection as provided in 18 USC
3056 (a) (7).
Protection will end at such time as the candidate withdraws or is disqualified from the election; is
not selected as his or her party's presidential nominee; or is not elected to the Office of President
or Vice President of the United States.
Protection may be withdrawn if the candidate no longer meets the factors under the above section
or suspends his or her campaign. The Secret Service will make appropriate accommodations to
coordinate with the candidate the withdrawal of protection
towards a candidate;
• Whether, during and within an active and competitive major party primary, the most recent
average of established national polls, as reflected by the Real Clear Politics National
Average or similar mechanism, the candidate is polling at 15% or more for 30 consecutive
days;
• Whether the candidate is the formal or de facto nominee of a major party for President or
Vice President;
• Whether the candidate is an independent or third party candidate for President polling at
20% or more of the Real Clear Politics National Average for 30 consecutive days;

https://www.governmentattic.org/45docs/USSSpubAffairsGuid_2017-2020.pdf

basilico:
RFK Jr has had several security scares. That's why he requested SS protection which Biden denied him.
Have those others been credibly threatened?

I'm sure Jill Stein who people believe helped Trump win, isn't fearful or hasn't had death threats. <<sarcasm>>
This is the reason why there are rules in place for Secret Service Protection. To make sure it is a level playing field for everybody.
But instead RFK got preferential treatment because he complained enough and MAGAs are nuts while Jill Stein who always runs, and who is still in the race didn't.

It's clear you don't have a clue about any of this or haven't thought through any of this beyond what you MAGA leaders tell you.
Nigeria is a mess. Maybe try focusing some of the energy you focus here on lying and propagandizing on the country you actually live in.

bemeruca:
He is a Kennedy and the dems have tried to kill one of the threat for the presidency. I know you run conspiracy theories like shooter used a wood that slightly injured trump but we know what the dems are capable of. They already killed JFK, you want them to kill RFK?

So, RFK is a special person and his family are special people. Got it.
Except in the US we don't do that sort of thing.

You don't understand American culture so leave American politics for Americans.

And the Registered Republican, who was a gun nut, who wore military fatigue to school, whose friends thought he was a Trumper, whose father was a gun nut who flew Trump flags is a Dem now?
Your idiocy never ends.

basilico:
Somebody actually liked your post.
We have retards here if not sick minds.

Basilico in defense of Bemeruca is talking about a sick mind. Wonders never cease.

Listen, I understand it's not his children's fault two ugly people decided to procreate. Did I tell a lie?
But, if I had children who looked like that, I certainly wouldn't be talking sh*t/lying about other people's families and personal lives. And I certainly wouldn't be posting pics of those children to try to prove a lie.

The lesson is, if you aren't close to the top of the gene pool and have 4 kids out of wedlock you don't have custody of, you should probably not be talking about other people's lives and not be relying on their better angels when it comes to your personal life.

basilico:
Does RFK Jr have Secret Service detail as I write this?
Was he initially denied SS protection for months by Joe Biden administration?

If I'm wrong I'll retract.

Does Cornel West, Jill Stein, Chase Oliver have Secret Service Protection.
What is the difference between them and RJK?

bemeruca:
Nothing to be ashamed of since your father who got married was abusive to your mom because she had a dumb child that is you. The marriage certificate did not do much. I decided not to get married, have children. 1, 2, 3, 4

You can start by getting a GF 😎

4 children out of Wedlock, while living in Nigeria. And you are not embarrassed.

This dude who knocked up a homunculus 4 times is talking about a g/f.
Were you drunk all 4 times.

bemeruca:
Lol, but it's kamala that is renegotiating the debate. One of her teams request is that they should be seated instead of to stand as they debate.

She wants hot mic so she can interrupt trump with the host and if he tries to interject when she speaks she will yell "I'm talking"

Fact check.

As for Miller’s assertion that Harris wanted a seated debate with notes, Fallon pushed back vigorously. “All three parties (Trump, Harris and ABC) have agreed to standing and no notes, and we never sought otherwise,” Fallon said. A separate person familiar with the negotiations laughed when we asked if Harris ever asked to be seated, saying it wasn’t true.

At the time it accepted ABC’s invitation, the Harris campaign did so while making clear to the network that the rules themselves were up for debate. And if this current snag is any indication, that debate is far from settled.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

bemeruca:
With the same woman 😎😎😎
Your dad and mom got married but are just like me at the end of the day. The difference was the marriage cert and divorce papers.

Yes, the difference was the marriage cert. Otherwise, what people call marriage.
Not a hard concept.
If you aren't married you aren't married, no matter how many children you have.

What's wild is that you did all this while living in Nigeria. Lol
I can imagine your inlaws hated your guts.
And you're here running your mouth about family values and Christianity.

So, recap. Not married, 4 Children with a Baby Momma you don't have custody of and you don't live with.
Smarter people would close their mouth.
But noone pegs you as smart.

basilico:
.I think he is impotent.45 plus and no children

This man woke up this morning to talk about the conspiracy that RFK lost his Secret Service Detail after he dropped out. Lol.

bemeruca:
Some things are too much for you to grasp since you are a gay man. When you get a GF you can start to understand a little.

You not having a wife though you have 4 children out of wedlock you don't have custody of sure seems like a hard concept to grasp.
Lol.

And fyi, I've seen the pics of your children. It's clearly obvious you and your Baby Momma weren't in that high demand/many options category.

Puss360:
For a guy landing in Lagos, was he expecting free open leg sex? I don't know if his marital status, but if he isn't married why is he bothered about transactional sex?
Oh imagine me hearing that a famous boxer is in town, wanting to have sex, so I
shouldn't charge him abi?
Sex isn't free unless you are married!!

Lol. He probably was. Thought he would have groupies just open to 'hanging out'.
He forgot where he was. Lol.

But, jokes aside, who said he was even talking about sex? Some woman want you to be pay just to talk to them.

Puss360:
The verifiability in his statement isn't important here....
What's important is that women sleeps with men for money...
So coming to say women are into hookup as being morally wrong and vindicates men as Saints actually wrong...
When there's no buyer, the seller and the business collapses...

Men must Bleep... Women must pay bills ...
So don't talk down on the hookup job if your aren't condemning both buyer and sellers!!!

I didn't put aspersions on anybody. I'm just saying what he said is not necessarily wrong.
As to the guys, it may be a chicken and egg thing, which came first.
But, for a guy landing in Lagos from abroad, the transactional nature of dating it's noticeable and different.

Tightpussy2024:
Seems the next thing to do when money or fame enters a black man hand is to shame black women

Obviously when he travelled to Lagos,he tried hooking up with one who turned him down or fled with his money without giving him sex..but he doesn't want to admit he was on the wrong side of a deal with a hooker.

Or maybe one lagosian didn't believe in his dream or potential and left him in the past.

Yet they say trauma makes men and destroys women. Let us not pretend that most of the redpillers or manosphere or male relationship coaches are speaking from pain. Pain of being rejected for a richer guy, for being short or for being bland. Yet they will accuse single mothers of being bitter whereas they are their male equivalent.

See his face like sour puss,imagine what he will have looked like before fame. Who wouldn't reject him?even him will reject himself then

I'm not necessarily a fan of his, but the transactional nature of dating and the expectation of money when dating in Lagos is very problematic for healthy relationships.

bemeruca:
Scotland, I am not married though.
We don't have custody issues don't worry.

He said, no custody issues. Lol
Because your Baby mamma has the custody.
You are not married, so you have no wife.
So, you have no wife and don't have custody of your Children.
Why are you running your mouth again?

Lol
You an slowpoke.

bemeruca:
Its never you 😂😂

Lol. Where is your wife? Do you have one? And do you have custody of your kids?
You should sit down and shut up. You are the not the best messenger for whatever "healthy family dynamics" message you are preaching.
Go fix your family. Marry that woman who has 4 of your children and get custody of your kids. Then, and only then can you start preaching about families and asking people about their wives.

Nonsense

Puss360:
.....and all ends well... Women needs the money, men needs the sex...

So why complain about women?

Does it end well? And for whom?
My personal feelings aside, I wasn't complaining. But, what this boxer said isn't too far from the truth. Abi?

Edit: just saw your profile pic...

raumdeuter:
Some let their 17yr olds work others dont.
The Trumps choose to raise their family the way they want, when its your turn you can do yours different

He's basically like Melania has to to breastfeed 18 y.o. Barron every day at every moment so she can't even make time to go to her Husband's court dates even though it may make her husband seem more sympathetic and prevent him from going to jail.
You're like a brain dead drone. You repeat the some nonsense over and over.
You're exhausting.

raumdeuter:
Raising your kids is more important and families make the choice. Ask your friends who have families how they priortize the well being of the kids over other things

Barron is not a kid, he is 18. At 18, I had already bought my first car and was in a dorm in College.

So how would the well being of an 18 year old 'kid' be affected by showing up to Court for your husband or travelling with your husband to campaign events?

You have a bias that makes it hard for you to understand how irrational the things you say are.

YesDaddyTill203:
Is it not transactional when you are chatting up a girl in Atlanta, Havanna, Addis Ababa, or Munich and she's telling you straight up that you have to give her a certain amount of money for her to come and spend time with you in your hotel?

They are all the same. I don't see any difference. Tinder and other dating apps have made it so easy to get hookup anywhere in the world.

Listen, you will find some "stricty transactional" relationships everywhere. The question is what is the percentage compared to everyone else. I found it's close to the norm in Lagos (and I'm speaking of my experience). I'm not judging anyone, just telling you what I've found.

YesDaddyTill203:
Especially those from you know where.
I didn't mention any region oh but those of us who comes to Lagos to relax and have some money know where the majority of those runs ladies are from.
You can even do 2 3 or even 4 as long as you have the cash...


But it's wrong for Adesanya to call them out like that.
I have been to so many cities around the world, and I can tell you that there are runs girls everywhere . Even in the richest cities and countries in the world.
Internet and social media have made it super easy to hookup with girls around the world.
In most cases, I already have girls lined up before I even land for any country. It's that easy.

I travel often
Yes there are pros(run girls everywhere). But, Lagos is distinct in this area.
It's a quid pro quo or transactional culture.

Puss360:
This one just gets fame but brainless stupid small black diik heavy weight champion...

If they are into runs, who are their customers?
Obviously not females...

Mad boxer...

He's mostly not wrong. Both can be true.
Women ask for it and men pay it.

bemeruca:
Kamala will never go to fox news because she feels they won't be friendly. Why cant you give trump the same excuse?

Bring a rock, slap a D on it and you will vote and support it with your all you got even if the alternative can make all your problems go away.

Yes, I will be voting. Will you?
Nah.. because Canadian asylum seekers can't vote in US elections.
But they can run their mouths and pretend they live in the US.

Trump didn't debate in the Republican primaries. I'm sure it's because he thought the debates where every other Republican debated at would be unfair too.. Yeah that must be it.

raumdeuter:
When you have your own family delegate them to plenty of support staff without oversight. This is a classic example of talking out of your ass.

Ask your friends who have families how they do it

My friends wives support what's important to their husbands and their husbands support what is important to their wives. Because they love each other and that's what's expected.

A wife not showing up to support her husband in court and not really showing up to support her husband who is running for President, tells you everything you need to know about her and him.

I wonder, do you really believe this bullshit you spread or do you write it just to push Bullshit in defense of Trump.
It's weaks sauce. I know it's hard to defend Trump, but do it with better arguments.

bemeruca:
But your mom is still raising you as we speak since you refuse to grow up.

Wait are you talking about families and Mom's raising children? Lol
Where are your kids? Lol.
I think Raum was referring to you when he wrote this.

raumdeuter:
Melania has her own life to live and possibly raise a son while Trump is on the campaign trail
That is why its important to have 2 adults raising kids, Only those who have raised families will know why one parent should be at home

raumdeuter:
Has Kamala committed to the Foxnews debate?

Captain Intellectual Dishonesty strikes again.
If Trump didn't want to debate, he shouldn't have agreed to debate.

raumdeuter:
Do you ever look at the mirror and wonder why almost everyone thinks you are stuppid

That would be a good rejoinder if you were in kindergarten.
You don't have to support Trump and don't have to degrade yourself to support whatever Bullshit he does/says.

Barron is 18. 18 year olds fight and die in war. They don't need mommy with them 24/7.
Even so, Melania does not work and has a staff. She has plenty of time to support her husband and mommy an 18 yo. A lot of parents get it done on much much much less.

I'm not sure who the bullshit you write is aimed at, it's not people who have brains though.

raumdeuter:
When you have a family, you can decide to raise them as you wish. Melania is raising her family with her husband on campaign trail.

Do you ever stop with the Bullshit?
It's just better not to respond than responding with stuff you should know makes you sound silly.