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basilico:
Drumph isa biz man. JB is not. You compare mangoes to oranges. If Trump took a loan,on his business whats the problem.
Joe was getting money to sell influence See the difference. JB was getting $ to line his pockets

Reading that hurt my head. You think the person more dependent on that money for their business has less potential conflicts and or potential for blackmail? How do you know that the company didn't only gave him that loan because he was running for office and they knew they could leverage him? Or that there was some quid pro quo agreement between them for that loan? Why would trump seek loans outside the US? Why would a non US based company/bank give him money when US based companies would not because of his risk level?

Listen, Trump could not have gotten a security clearance due to all his Financial entanglements. His son Kushner was denied a security clearance because of his finances. Trump overruled them and gave him one anyway. Fortunately for Trump, as President you are the source of security clearances.

You are really not an honest broker and your arguments are intellectually dishonest. You have really gone down that rabbit hole.

basilico:
Issue big is whether JB took money from China, Ukraine Russia. Who cares what his crackhead son was doing.
Is JB compromised ?

We KNOW Trump took money from companies in many Foreign countries. Is Trump compromised?

tamudabu:
Actually, you're here wailing about me while responding three times to the same posts and lying that you are doing something different to what we all see you doing here.

Just thought to tell you in case you think we are all mindless and blind like you are. I wouldn't respond to your uneducated foul mouth otherwise.

Yeah he was having a ball at a Big Boy Wedding, while deciding to write tons of posts on Nairaland in between his small chops and bottles of Hennessey. Very reasonable/plausible thing to do.

Yeah, but I wonder what Hunter Biden was doing.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2022/12/04/trump-owed-hidden-debt-while-in-office/?sh=3e239451b30e

happney65:
Some good news here. Isn't it?

What a coincidence that gas prices started dropping after the election. Hmmm.. On another forum I'm on, we actually had a poll as to what gas prices would be after the election. The majority thought they would drop. It's the same reason OPEC announced a decrease before the election and Putin announced he was retreating after the election. The gas industry, like OPEC and Putin was trying to make sure Biden didn't get elected. Biden should really be tougher on them.

basilico:
You r well infomed. Hillary was Secretary of State.She was using a private server in her basement to transact national biz. How wz discovered?
Some close confidant emails leaked to wikileaks from bluementhal where he had been in comms with her using her private email address.
that was during Bengazi debacle. OI course most idiots here never heard that. Media covered it up
I will go on later

Media covered up the fact Hilary used a private server? Lol... Holy Revisionist History.

In fact after the elections, Media figures discussed it. And it was a general consensus that they went WAY overboard on it in comparison to Trump scandals.
Studies agree: Media gorged on Hillary Clinton email coverage
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_0fA16ZuNDkJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/08/25/studies-agree-media-gorged-on-hillary-clinton-email-coverage/&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

BraniacX:
I never said it was wise or just , just excellent from a technical and tactical POV of course, but it isn't my country so I can afford to ignore the cons in favour of the pros

I was just marveling at the price tag. It looks like it it's going to be an amazing plane. The first test flight supposed to be next year. Wonder if the flight will be classified as well.

BraniacX:
now this is excellence, they should also upgrade their military warthogs and Apaches

~$700 million per plane.

Obrigardo:
It's mind boggling. They are calling out the FBI while leaving out Bill Barr, because there's no way the FBI will run this without going through Bill Barr.

They've actually gone deeper. Bill Barr is now part of the Deep State and has been hurting Trump all along. They are saying the Special Prosecutor he appointed to investigate the Russia allegations was appointed to cover up for the FBI. Bonkers

BraniacX:
stick to one argument at a time and see it to conclusion, stop skipping from argument to argument, gather your thought process and pretend you're in a court of law, now to our current engagement, I painted a scenario, did it qualify as conspiracy or not from your POV?

He can't. He has become emotionally and personally invested in his argument. Admitting he is wrong may destroy his psyche. So it is easier to pretend that facts that don't align with his perspective don't exist or when confronted with truths he can't ignore (Trump not being President), he makes up wilder conspiracies to rationalize the disconnection.

There has been a lot of discussion in the US about it esp. concerning those who went down the "Q" rabbit hole.

Obrigardo:
Exactly! Because the republican party from time had established themselves as the Rule of law party, but that all went poof with Criminal trump.

Right! And all of a sudden the FBI (who hurt Clinton) became some Ultra Liberal agency out to get Republicans. Please make it make sense. lol

feedthenation:
---what's the difference between Hillary using a private server to conduct government work---from Trump taking classified documents after his term ended is well jusified---

Not only that. Trump's daughter used a personal email. Jared Kushner used a personal email. Mark Meadows his chief of staff used a personal cell phone, private email and signal account for government business.

Obrigardo:
The FBI director is a republican Christopher Wray, not that i'm implying partisan leanings, but letting you know that in America even with criminal trump shitting on himself, there are career prosecutors who actually follow the rule of law, like for instance working on a petition from a Candidate for office, just like any ordinary American citizen.

Is your grouse with the FBI or then Candidate Biden?

Even deeper than that. There has never been a Democratic FBI Director. Even Democrats have appointed Republican FBI Directors. Simply because the FBI(culture/agents) is so conservative.

wirinet:
They are a lost cause just like an hypnotised victim. They are programmed not to see Trump's gave crimes but the little misdemeanours of others. Whatever crimes they accuse the Bidens of doing, the Trumps had done 10 times worse. Trump's children had never worked one day in their lives, but they make make millions with their fathers influence before and during his presidency. Trump and right wing media had censored democrats, engaged in bias media reports and promote falsehood against opponents than left wing media.
Trump and republicans he far worse sex scandal than democrats. Almost no prominent senior Republican without a sex scandal. The worse they have against Biden is touching and sniffing the hair of girls in public. Trump on the other has over 25 women accusing accusing him of sexual harassment/rape.

How they can compare Trump to Biden in terms of crimes and inappropriate sexual behaviour is mind boggling. Trump is a walking crime magnet. Even his latest call for a termination of the US constitution is regarded as a crime in some jurisdictions. Termination with what? - Monarchy or Dictatorship?

I'm with you. It's been mind boggling. Part mental illness, part lack of education, part I don't f'ning know..
The one redeeming part of Trump's presidency? Some of these people pulled off their masks and you got to see who they really were. I drew a bright line in the sand in my social circles. Had to cut some white friends who felt now free enough to share their inner racist inclinations.

benalvino3:
It is fair, it is news, and people should know what and who they are voting for. the media uses social media to spread the news and people use it to pass information or communicate. the SM does not or should not be censoring accurate news. they allow every bad lie to stay up on social media about trump even the Russia Collusion lies.

trump calling dead Vets losers and many other lies were allowed to circulate... but when a real scandal is up it is killed.

you don't find this disturbing?

Do you believe news media should be censoring actual news?

Enugurangers:
Unlike Clinton that was on the ballot, Hunter won't be on the ballot. Biden already wished them lots of luck investigating Hunter lol.

Moreso Trump ran in that election to many as an unknown commodity and a stable competent outsider. Also that Clinton was part of the corrupt Washington elite, that's why the FBI announcing the investigation was so hurtful - it fit the narrative. Trump has been President for 4 years and Americans have seen his Corruption and Incompetence first hand. Good Luck convincing Americans Biden is more corrupt.

benalvino3:
Not everyone was for the statues and was part of Antifa or white nationalist groups. He specifically made that point that there were people who just go there to debate the issues, and protest it peacefully. he called them Fine people... then he made it clear his fine people do not include the Neo-Nazis...

Why are you so dumb to get this point? can't you reason for yourself?

he told you the Group he was not talking about or calling fine people. He also told you the group he was calling fine people... a daft will never get this. stop embarrassing yourself. learn English, apply critical thinking enter a forum to argue tirelessly, and things you understand.

This is my last post on this.

There was only 1 rally during that time frame as in the US you need a permit to rally. The rally and it's White Supremacist ties were talked about weeks before the actual rally. And anyone who was there or went there understood it was a WHITE NATIONALIST rally. I'm 100% sure the FBI monitored it due the rise of White Nationalistic Terrorism in the US and 100% sure Trump understand what the rally was about.

Here are the organizers of the rally. Again you need a Permit in the US to hold a rally
1.) Jason Kessler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Kessler
Jason Eric Kessler (born September 22, 1983) is an American neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and antisemitic conspiracy theorist.[1][2][3] Kessler organized the Unite the Right rally held in Charlottesville, Virginia, on August 11–12, 2017,[4][5][6] and the Unite the Right 2 rally held on August 12, 2018.
Kessler is a supporter of neo-Nazism,[7][8][9] far-right politics,[10][11][12] and the alt-right.

2.) Richard B. Spencer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 1978)[1] is an American neo-Nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and white supremacist.[2][3] A former editor, he is a public speaker and activist on behalf of the alt-right movement.[2][4] He advocates for the reconstitution of the European Union into a White racial empire, which he believes will replace the diverse European ethnic identities with one homogeneous "White identity".[5][6][7]
Spencer has advocated for the enslavement of Haitians by Whites and the ethnic cleansing of racial minorities from the United States,[8] additionally expressing admiration for the political tactics of American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell. [9][10] He was a featured speaker at the August 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, among other neo-Nazi rallies that Spencer has headlined.[11]

Here is a commissioned independent review of the what happened
FINAL REPORT INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE 2017 PROTEST EVENTS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA
https://www.huntonak.com/images/content/3/4/v4/34613/final-report-ada-compliant-ready.pdf

I put those facts out to give you a background of that Trump Press Conference. This wasn't a thing that came out of the blue. It wasn't an organic rally for the statute. It was a continuation of the White Supremacy resurgence that had been growing throughout his presidency. Culminating in what we see now with Kanye and that dinner.

Now Trump has a reason to try to obfuscate what happened that day (those are his supporters), ask yourself what is your reason?
You should get better platforms than White Supremacist sites for your facts.

benalvino3:
You should be asking what did I get right?

your whole write-up did not Address trump specifically saying "He is not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the white Natioanalist".

Because you cannot Comprehend and think critically, you cannot see through a lie.

keep reading the book. hopefully, you will understand.

Because if it's things like you living in the United States, I feel sorry for once a great nation.

The Media and HIS OWN ADVISORS beef is that he said "There were fine people on both sides". And by saying that he lent moral equivalency to White Supremacists and such.

I'm asking for you to define your argument. Tell me which group of people he was specifically talking about when he said "There were very fine people on both sides". You don't seem to want to. Because you can't without sounding like someone who supports White Supremacists. So, again you bring up something irrelevant.

Just so you won't rewrite History. Here is the Wikipedia entry for that rally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10][11] Marchers included members of the alt-right,[12] neo-Confederates,[13] neo-fascists,[14] white nationalists,[15] neo-Nazis,[16] Klansmen,[17] and far-right militias.[18] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic groups.[24] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement[12] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park. [22][25] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.[26]

basilico:
The Ivy league class is actually clueless. The parents funnel donations and in return their kids get admission.
Africans that I know who went to Harvard etc are smart guys They go rigolous admission process... Unlike these dumb asses who use their last name.

1.) There are actual Black/African legacies as well, who got in by virtue of parents/siblings going there. Not saying they aren't smart, but still it's not only a White phenomena.
2.) Getting into an IVY League is actually hard. Google the average GPA and LSAT scores for Yale Law School. When I last checked the GPA was 4.2 (4.0 means you had all A's) and LSAT is 178 (Perfect Score is 180). I think the LSAT is similar to an IQ test. Very hard to deviate upward.
3.) I agree with this part though controversial: Minorities generally got in with lower scores than their white counterparts. Somewhat lower as well. This was due to affirmative action.
4.) Africans would get in also by affirmative action. So, there was beef on Campus between the African community and the Black American community. As Black Americans believed African Americans were unfairly using up slots designed for those who were the product of America's Racist Past. And I'm not saying there weren't minorities who got in with very high scores.

As to Hunter Biden. I'm not sure where he graduated at YLS. But even the last person still is a YLS graduate. I think there are about 600(0.000179694% of the US population) a year or so. And just because he was reckless doesn't mean he wasn't academically smart. As I said, the prostitutes and drugs are common place on Wall St. And Lastly Bush was an idiot, but he was became President based on his connections.

benalvino3:
you really need to go through this book before you come here. you can share with some of your folks here, especially obrigado

Me saying the Media lies and providing evidence to prove just that is not me supporting racists. I am not talking about the Nazis who marched with torches or the ones who fought on the streets.

I am talking about What trump said and what the media say he said... its two different things.
BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT REASON YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THIS BOOK.

Trump said: There were very fine people on both sides
At contention: The Media and some of his advisers calling him out for that statement arguing that there should be no MORAL equivalency between the two sides.

So. let's break it down

There were 2 sides by Trumps account.
-One side were counter protestors. Again, Charlottesville is the home of Monticello. The slave plantation. Many of the residents believe it's still a very racist city and came out to push back against the White Supremacists being there. Some of those people came with the intent of violence to push back. By Trumps words, There were "Some Very Fine" people there.
-The other side were people marching along with White Supremacists, KKK members and the ALT Right, marching in a rally set up by White Supremacists. By Trump's words there were some "Very Fine people" marching there as well.

So for you to have an issue with the Media calling Trump out.
1.) You would have to believe that there were indeed "very fine people" marching with White Supremacist, KKK members, and people shouting Jews will not Replace US in a rally set up by White Supremacists.
2.) And the Media and some of his advisors (who almost quit) were wrong to challenge Trump by saying that there should never be any moral equivalency between those who march with White Supremacists and those who rally against it.

Tell me which part of that argument I got wrong.
1.) Are you arguing Trump didn't say there were very fine people on both sides?
2.) Are you arguing that there actually can be "Very Fine people" who somehow found themselves walking down the street with people shouting "Jews will not Replace US", with people holding KKK flags, with people spewing racist nonsense, avowed White Supremacists and Aryan brothers in a march setup up by White Supremacists?
3.) Or are you arguing that the Media and some of his advisors beef was not with their belief of the Moral equivalency of Trump's comparison of both sides.

You brought up the "Critical Thinking for Dummies" book. I'll assume you read it. So use those skills and deconstruct your argument. Answer these questions and don't bring up any irrelevant points. The discussion is simply on Trump and his very fine people comment.

benalvino3:
you are embarrassing yourself.

Trump does not care what you think.

The media lied. the people he called fine people are not the people causing violence.

THE GIRL THAT DIED WAS PART OF THE PEOPLE CAUSING TROUBLE AND VIOLENCE. she was around a group or part of a group that attacked the nazi idiot's car that ran them over.

all these are facts.

So yes, there were good people on both sides who wanted to protest for and against the statues peacefully. and there were idiots who fought for and against the statues. Antifa and white nationalist groups.

The media lie just like they lied against Nick Sandmann

Good Response. You told the world who you are. Keep defending racists. Ask yourself what good person marches along White Supremacists shouting "Jews will not replace us" or the KKK? I'd guess you'd be there if you lived in the US.. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself as a Black person or even just a human.

Here are some clips of that "rally" and the period after since you are trying to rewrite history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLvWO_SOgM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F2kPRW6ZuA

CoolUsername:
You don't think the people that own the companies that control or limit information want to control or limit information?

No, they don't. They take pains when they decide to limit information. It goes back to people actually believing what they say they BELIEVE IN Like the Dems who fought the Arizona county to certify a Republican counties votes because they believe in everyone's vote counting. When in fact by counting those votes cost the Dems a House seat.

benalvino3:
the Peaceful people who went to protest for and against the statues. watch the Damn video and see that he was clear about who he was talking about. he Explained who the fine people are and said he was not talking about the Neo nazis and that the Nazis should be condemned because they are against what the country is about.

the Video is in your front yet you are clinging to a lie.

even in the video, you provided, trump answered your question. do you have any ability to comprehend anything? the answer to the question you ask me is in the Video you provided.

There were two sides.
On one side were people who were protesting the removal of a stature dedicated to a Confederate General; Gen. Robert E. Lee.
Background: In the US, we had a civil war where southern states decided to fight because they did not want to abolish slavery. They called themselves the Confederacy. The Confederacy eventually lost the civil war. For whatever reason (the US still being a much more racist country at the time) the statues of these people who were not only traitors to our country buy wanted to own SLAVES were allowed to be put up. Virginia decided to remove them.

On the other side were people who were counter protesting those people who gathered to fight that removal.

So, no, I do not consider that there were good people on both sides. And no, there was no moral equivalency between both sides. If you have decided to take up violence or even march to protect a statue of a man who not only committed treason, but did so in order to continue the enslavement of black people, you are not a good person. Full stop, end of discussion.

And it offends me how you sit comfortably in Nigeria and defend this.

benalvino3:
is this dude serious?

you claim to live in the US and because of that you are all-knowing concerning US matters yet you don't know how the media lied about the Very fine people.

He should have called out the White supremacist which he specifically did. the media lied to you and you are not interested in the truth else you would have known this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00RAteYexNA

Trump specifically condemned the KKK and every neo nazy groups.

These were his comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs

The question was simple. Who did he mean by "Very Fine People on both sides?".

CoolUsername:
The PRIVATE company that controls 90% of our search information calls a political party winning, a hiccup to progress and vows to never stop fighting for said progress. Also says they would restrategize to address what led people to make this decision.

Nothing to see here, perfectly fine.

Fixed it for you. Ask yourself why all these top media/information companies are run by "Democrats". It might have something to do with Dems not wanting to control or limit information.

CoolUsername:
At about the 49th minute someone mentions what he thinks led to election results and how he thinks that means Google needs to change its tactics. Why does Google need to change its tactics because of an election? At about the 56th minute mark they refer to Trump's victory as a hiccup in the path of progress but one of the execs basically says they can't just see it that way but have to continue fighting.
Coming from the company that controls information, this is very concerning.

You damn well know what I mean, Google controls over 90% of search engine traffic.

https://www.similarweb.com/engines/

But again, you are inferring words that noone in that video said. Read how you initially characterized the video to now what you are saying about it.

Google's Mission - "Our mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful." If a candidate who relied on misinformation esp. emanating from Google' site wins. Yeah, they need to be reevaluating how they are organizing that information. And "its tactics", I assume were referring to how search results came up. It's been a big bone of contention since the 2000 election that some companies purposefully drive misinformation because it gets clicks.

basilico:
who drank bleach?stupid person

Listen, if you keep calling me out my name, I won't respond to you anymore.

benalvino3:
The press said a lot of things for the president. The very fine people lie and many more.

You don't think there is a through line from his "very fine people" comment and his meeting with Kanye and Nick Fuentes. I'm nor sure what lie you are referring to. Trump after a rally where KKK members marched and a woman died, said "there were very fine people on both sides". That was not a moment for any US president to try to rationalize anything. He should have just called out White Supremacy and said there is no place in the US for that. That is the reason people were up in arms about that comment. Any other US President would have had a moral clarity about that moment.

And who do you think he was referring to when he said "there were many fine people on both sides"?

basilico:
I repeat . Trump told nobody to drink bleach. He made a request to Dr Fauci to come up with a bleach formula to wipe out covid, inject it whatever Get rid of covid.

I think you're missing the point of the Presidential Bully Pulpit. Whatever the President says has incredible power. That's why most US President's stick to a written script or are very careful with there chosen words. He should not have been on a podium jawboning about something he knew nothing about. A lot of people took his words as a SUGGETION of something they should try. And some people did try it.

CoolUsername:
The article has a list of timestamps were Google staff showed their bias and desire to do everything within their power to control the narrative.

Again, point to the timestamp where Google says they had a "desire to do everything within their power to control the narrative". It does not exist. You are putting your "feelings" on peoples actual words.

CoolUsername:
Check wikipedia, Fox News, Sky News AU, Breitbart, etc are all explicitly described as right wing or conservative news outlets. In comparison, MSNBC is not.
Furthermore, they do not have a monopoly on the news, you can simply watch CNN, MSNBC, CBS news, etc. which most people do. It's not quite the same story with Google's search engine, Twitter, or Meta.

Google does not have a monopoly on search engines. Definition of monopoly (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monopoly). Here is msn's search engine. (https://www.bing.com/). Hence, not a monopoly.

CoolUsername:
I stopped reading at the point where you said that Trump told people to drink bleach. It simply means you are either unwilling or incapable of doing even most basic amount of research before parroting left-wing talking points.

My words were he "suggested". And you are deliberately trying to minimize the power of his words. By talking about it during a press conference, for some that suggestion had the power of the President and US Government.

And here let's look at real world data.
Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments
https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/

And Lysol had to release a statement
"Under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route)."

None of this is normal! You seem to purposefully miss the point. People were tired. Tired of things like this. Look at this topic and what we've been talking about. Trump's dinner with Kanye. He's not even President and he's exhausting.

basilico:
I wont let this one pass. Huntter (sp) wasa getting cash from foreigners. He was footing the family bills . Tell me who gets paid 83K a month by Burisma a Ukraine energy company that he has never been to, has no experience in the oil industry and the damn payments are all over his laptop from hell. When Trump asks the comedian to investigate if there was corruption involved, Pelosi impeaches him despite FBJ saying he had the prosecutor fired for investigating Burisma
Hunter was wired 3.5m by mayor of Moscow.
Hunter recieved 30m from China in an influence peddling thing.
Banks flagged 150 transactions to Hunter over possible money laundering schemes. Only 2 of these Suspicious Activity Reports have been seen by congress

Listen, Hunter Biden went to Yale Law School. The top Law School in the US, and probably the World. Their graduates are sought after in any industry. He could have done anything he wanted, Clerk for a justice, made Partner at a Wall Street Law Firm, went into consulting at a place like McKensie or Bain, worked in Finance (i-Banking or Private Equity). Any career choice he made he would have done very very well. Esp. with his contacts. And FYI, you may not understand this, but at a certain level your contacts are what matter. Look up Blake Masters and tell me how he made his money. He has a JD but is running Thiel Capitol.

CoolUsername:
Full video is embedded in the article

That is a 1 hour video. Point to the specific part you are talking about. And as you do, explain to me how you believe that is any worse than anchors (Hannity and Ingraham) at a news network controlled by Rupert Murdoch who owns other news networks around the world, basically would call Trump and discuss what they would say on their shows?

CoolUsername:
The Hunter Biden laptop story. Did you read what I posted?
I think it would have hurt Biden and therefore helped Trump. I think so because that's what analysis suggests happened in the 2016. Again, did you read what I posted?
www.ed.ac.uk/informatics/news-events/stories/2017/wikileaks-trump-edge-in-campaign-race-twitter

Help me understand what specific part of that you thought would have swung the election? I think you have a very short memory or don't live in the US so can't understand the conditions during that election. The US was basically at a crossroads. Thousands were dying daily from Covid, Trump had just caught covid and lied about it, he was acting erratic like suggesting people drink bleach to kill covid. People were tired. Tired of all the drama, the endless drama and chaos. People wanted a change, that is why so many people came out to vote. Biden is a known commodity, he has been in office for about 40 years. Was the Vice-President to Obama. Even Republicans will admit it's hard to hate him. So, your argument is that a report about Biden's son's sex life or some purported shady business with his father would make people not vote for Biden? And those same people would vote for Trump who was impeached for basically coercion against Ukraine and who was on camera saying he would grab woman by the PUS*Y. Please make that make sense to me.