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bemeruca:
like if Biden sends the DOJ to kill a political opponent?

This is an interesting discussion and you're doing your childish lying trolling thing again. Pushing debunked disinformation.
Go to your corner and suck your thumb like the child you are.

raumdeuter:
How is spying on a rival an official act? If its official to you then go and argue it in lower court

Your missing the point. It's not the destination that determines whether it's official. It's the vehicle they use to get to the desitination.
If he sent the DOJ to spy on someone that by my reading of this would be an official act.

raumdeuter:
That argument s not for SCOTUS to be dissecting what is official and what is not official. That is left for prosecutor, defence and lower courts
What SCOTUS put out is that there are official acts which are covered and unofficial acts which are not covered. This is the most straightforward explanation

If I ask you. Are all acts by presidents covered under immunity? What will be your response?

But the Supreme Court will. Because all the rulings will go back up to them. Chutka will decide, Trump will appeal to the circuit and then to the Supreme Court.
No, all acts of President's shouldn't be covered under immunity. They have to much power to be covered under immunity. For core constitutional questions, yes. But the rance of official acts is very broad.

happney65:
But asking a state official to help him find votes is official acts?

Or telling his supporters to storm the Capital to "stop the steal" is official acts?

Exactly.
The state official one, we will find out. They will have a hearing about it and then it will go back to the Supreme Court.. because it's Trump.
The supporters one, he can argue he was giving an "official speech" so it was an official act. And because it was an official act, whatever he said there couldn't be used to prosecute him.
They may have spoken to that one, but haven't read the full ruling yet.

raumdeuter:
The SCOTUS said Trump has immunity from official acts but not for unofficial acts

Its now left to the lower courts to clarify what is Official act and what is not official act

E.g Ordering the killing of a known terrorist like Osama, Suleimani who pose a threat to the US is an official act, ordering the killing of a business associate who you don't like is an unofficial act

This is a very simple thing, What will be the reason for Biden to order the arrest on Trump?

Let me ask you the order to kill Osama where do you think it falls under? vs the order to kill a random civilian

More complicated than that.
ex.
They ruled that talking to the DOJ was an official act. And so not only could he not be prosecuted for any actions the DOj took, but the communications of such actions were privileged. Assume he used the DOJ to set you in some way in an action outside his official acts. If the communications were privileged because he was communicating with the DOJ, how would u prove it?

And to your random civilian point. Whether it's a known terrorist or civilian wouldn't matter. The "official act" definition turns on whether he was using his "constitutional and statutory" authority. And since communications between him and DOJ and presumably the Military would be privileged, how would one know the motivations of his "official act"?

Obrigardo:
That's so crazy man. At the end of it all, the maga movement is just based on pure hate! Nothing else! Hate is at the core of this disgusting maga cult.
It's only hate that can drive a self-professed christian or evangelical to support a RAPIST and a Fraud, a convicted felon to lord over his/her life. The criminal gives them the outlet to amplify their hate on whom they deem "infidels".

It is based on hate. But too many well intentioned Christians have gotten caught up in it.
I think Christians at out core have to take a hard look at ourselves, our churches, our preaches and what we do vs. what we say we believe.
The support of Trump is an issue with Christianity.

What is wild about this immunity ruling, this is everything Conservative 2nd amendment Gun nutters would be freaking out over. An unaccountable President/federal government immune to do whatever they want and above the law. Yet, because of Trump they were cheering it.

Supreme Court Ruling came out. By 6-3 decision the Court ruled Trump does have Presidential immunity for Constitutional acts, the presumption of immunity for Official Acts, no immunity for Personal acts.

Crazy decision. America has changed. This is how a country like the USA begins to look like Nigeria.

Below is part of the dissent.

Laurene:
Black voters not supporting Republicans isn't a Trump issue but in contrary it's a generic issue.

Democrat has a engineered not to support any republican regardless of how bad the opposing democrat may be... They grew up being told not to vote republicans.
It's only few conservative blacks and those that immigrated from Africa that supports most of republican messaging in broader view.

John James faced Gary Peters (a white man) and still lost 90% of black support... Tim Scott(a black man) keeps getting elected in South Carolina without gaining more than 5% of black vote.

Anyone that tells you it's just Trump's rhetoric or style is a bloody liar.

Generic issue? You mean because there are a lot of people in the Republican tent that would prefer Black people be unalive?
So, no it's not just Trump. But Trump's racism is clear.

Your focus seems to be on identity politics rather than policies, so in your mind you can't fathom a black person voting for someone else who isn't black. Unfortunately for you, black people are capable of seeing beyond race and understanding policies, even if you don't.

I'm a black Christian. My parents were immigrants and didn't talk politics and couldn't even vote when I was young. Why did I become a Democrat? Catechism class and the racism I experienced. The Democratic party seemed more aligned with the actual message of the Bible.

Obrigardo:
I hope you took a clean shower after writing this drivel.

Something is fundamentally wrong with maga cultists, like mentally wrong up there if you think an adjudicated rapist and a convicted felon is gonna be the one controlling shit that's gonna affect your livelihood and even your family's.

Hopefully, the majority doesnt side with you. So you better get your head in shape. And you should have a sliver of shame backing a convicted felon who's gonna lose anyway.

Esp. when she said Sanders would be a good pick. Sanders who is already mired in corruption allegations in her deep Republican state.

The problem with these posts is that most of these people are talking about matters that will never affect them. Raumdateur is the only person who actually lives in the states who this election will actually affect. And at times he sounds rational. The others rarely talk about issues. If you don't get US health care, don't have a US job, don't get affected by US racism, don't have to worry about regulations, sending your Black child to College, buying/selling a house and doing do as a black person in the US, etc etc, what perspective are you speaking from?

That's the reason some of these posters at some point pretended to have lived in the states. They understand it adds a certain imprimatur to their posts. It's a know tactic that disinformation artists use to sound relatable. Like Russians pretending to being black Americans and pushing Trump talking points (some of which are then posted here). Because it works.

Some here even pretend to be women like Laurene. Her speech patterns were off so I read some of her previous posts and she's been called out for being a man(which was obvious) and also pretending to live in the US. I'm only calling her out now, because we are getting close to the election and pretending to be a woman and pretending to live in the States is a tactic of disinformation. And I find it very peculiar that a man would pretend to be a woman on a Nigerian board. I can see the advantages though, deference.

It is surprising to me though that a lot of Nigerians support Trump. But I guess, Nigerians are very "religious" and so they would support the Republicans as they would think Republicans are very "Religious" as well. And I guess some Nigerians are "religious" just like Republicans are "religious"... just in name only. The odd thing, is, everyone I know who I find to be legit men/women of God will be voting Democratic.

budaatum:
Also, please stop trying to give buda affirmation by calling me a smart person. buda does not require being told buda is smart, because buda already knows buda is very intelligent and immensely smart. Ego, you see.

I don't do affirmation.
But, after spending a considerable amount of time trying to explain something that was kind of obvious. I will stop.

So, what did we learn today.

Bemeruca is a Liar.
Bemeruca has never applied for any US visa.
He's also not bright, has trouble with reading comprehension and is willing to gaslight.
Budatuum has a soft/bind spot for Bemeruca's lies.
IjeBos is always right about the things he decides to argue.

bemeruca:
I wonder why they did not include how to apply for flight tickets, how to apply for jury duty. You are so slow.

Those are all the documents required for nonimmigrant visas which is categorized into various types. Lol you dumb

How to apply for documents you will never bring to the consulate office 🤣

Fool.

To put a cap in it. I was going to ask a question in the USA Visa thread. But didn't want to waste someone's time on something frivolous as making you look stupid again. So, I did a search.

Keep lying, Liar.

Oh dear!! Dem wan chop you. Go to the US embassy Nigeria website and see how to apply for a visa. It is straightforward and very easy. There's nothing like medical or police report.
The only time medical or police report is required is if a family member that is a citizen files for immigrant visa.
When is your interview date? Abeg try collect your profile information from the agent. Also be very sure of what the agent filled in the ds160 cos that's what they will use to interview you. If you have further questions we are here for you.

No you don’t need police clearance certificate or medical examination for visit visa. These are for immigrant visas. Visit visa is non immigrant visa.
Your agent is misleading you in order to make your bill high.
If you visit state.gov yourself, you will find ALL the information you need.

budaatum:
Unlike you, I give people the benefit of the doubt, and do not just assume people are lying.

Besides, any one can apply for a US visa, so why should I believe he hasn't?

Bemeruca is a liar. You know he's a liar. He's been lying about being in the US since he got to Canada, from that first day he posted pics of Canada claiming they were from the US.
You seemed like a smart person. You should figure out why you let yourself believe he was telling the truth.

He hasn't applied for a US nonimmigrant visa. He would know the required documents. You should visit the US visa thread. He doesn't have a clue.

budaatum:
Please, what visa did you apply for?

You really do believe he applied for a US visa.
Poor you.

bemeruca:
Fool, there is no scenario where someone is a widow ever?
Are you this stupid?

Nonimmigrant visa has many categories. You are a daft

So, again, that is a list of how to apply for things.
Not what is required.

Read it slowly.
You're an idiot. And I can't deal with idiots.
Go post in the immigration thread and learn how to lie better about being in the US.

budaatum:
You are making me break my rule of never responding to you, note.

Funny? I was told by a certain expert here that it was a weird mental illness, but I'm certain they were just being personal, lol, or thought my immense ego was so small that their expert opinion mattered to buda.

I try really hard to be a good person. My sponsors don't pay me when I'm not, so I don't exactly have a choice. Besides, when I turn the other cheek to those who are rude to me, they often get tired of slapping me and have no choice but to be respectful to me eventually as you are being here. Those who don't stop are often just stupid priqs who I can very easily ignore.

Your "genuinely" is noted. And in case some expert reads this and thinks otherwise, buda is not affirmed.

Lol.. As I said. Carry on though.

bemeruca:
LMAO so they tell you how to get your birth certificate and marriage or divorce certificate too even though you don't need them for your application?
they just make a page telling you how to get documents they don't need.

guess what is not there... Paystub but when you put previous work experience, are are expected to put supporting documents to that question you answered related to work. this may be an employment letter and paystub. if you don't include it, the officer may ask for it... this prolongs your application.

Like i said, if the officer asks you to show proof of assets or property, you have to show it.

why inject yourself between me and budaatum talk?

professional notice-me

Lol, They list a death certificate there too. Is that a requirement as well?
I'm sure people applying for tourist visas need their death certificate as well. Lol
I guess the dead may need tourist visas. lol
Do you see your vapid argument crumbling in real time? Lol

Fuking dumb$ss.
The problem is I knew you were slow, I'm questioning Budatuum now.

budaatum:
You've been shown enough times that a police check is required if he applied from Nigeria. You've also been shown he'd require a police check from UK if he applied from Nigeria but had lived in UK for more than 6 months. You even accept that an employer in US may require one just because they want to. But you go on arguing against the evidence like your livelihood depends on one not being required why don't you.

You have not as it is not required unless you are a criminal.
Post the evidence you have that says a police check is required for a non immigrant visa.
Show me the link and post the screen shot where it says it is required.

You seem to not know the difference.
Again for the 5th time the link you keep posting is for an immigrant visa.
Are you purposefully being daft because this is simple reading at thus point.

bemeruca:
The nuts here are you.
why do they have a police certificate on their page for both if they don't need it?
they even give instructions on how to get them and validate them.
the same page... compare the link

Did you even read this page?
This is information how to get documents.
Not requirements.

You look foolish.

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budaatum:
I don't give a flying fuq what stupid idiots say about me on a faceless forum. buda's ego is sufficiently large for me to accept when stupid idiots are right about something than to let whatever they may have said about me blind me from the facts.

Besides, you've abused me here too, and you must have noticed when I've like your posts because I share them too so you know its me. Or is it your position that I'm seeking affirmation from you too when I agree with you?

I do wonder what you think I want from you when I don't agree with you.

Let's restet. You got personal. I warned you to cut it out. And you kept going. So, I got personal.
That was on you. My default is tough but respectful conversation.
But, have I given you some Bullshit affirmation since. No.

budaatum:
No Ijebos, I was not arguing anything with you. Bemeruca said he had to do a police check with Scotland Yard, and we resolved his error and were done. You then began arguing he couldn't have done a police check because you think a police check is not required, and you started throwing the kitchen sink as you usually do as if him doing a police check proves he is in America, which you can not possibly accept.

Its the same way you argued about doing jury service when I never claimed you never did jury service, and despite me telling you doing jury service is not that unusual since I've had to do it too. And then wasted my time for like 5 pages with your very juvenile "you don't live in America".

You were. Arguing and not listening or fully understanding what you were arguing that you repeated the same irrelevant section 4 times.
But at the end of the day I was right and you were wrong.

And honestly, the juvenile thing is arguing that you can have a good understanding of US culture without actually experiencing it. I'd expect that argument from uneducated people. You seem read. So it seems an emotional argument based on the fact you are insecure about not living in the US. You don't live in the US. It's ok. Acknowledge it, understanding you will have an inherent blind spot. Knowing our inherent biases and limitations makes us better as humans.

budaatum:
And why the fuq would I spend my time digging into where some stupid idiot on Nairaland lives? You do know that he could have applied for a visa and done the police check and be refused a visa and not be in US, right?

Well you spent a good amount of time Bullshiting yourself because you wanted in your mind validate his lie. By acknowledging to yourself he is lying, you probably would have moved on from your silly argument a while ago.

No he wouldn't have applied for an immigrant visa because he would have wasted his money. Because no company would have sponsored him for a immigrant visa application. The closest thing you said that is logical is that he is a criminal and had to then get a police report. But that is only if he applied from the UK, which he didn't.
Aso, if he did apply, he would know the difference between a nonimmgrant vs immigrant visa is. He still doesn't.

budaatum:
You know I have to call you a stupid idiot, right?

With apologies this time though because there's no reason to.

Why do you go about letting people abuse you, then falling all over yourself when they give you the faintest of affirmation.
Have you not realized Bemeruca and Slyfoxx play this game with you?

bemeruca:
Says the guy who does not know how to get to their Nigeria consulate page. Go there and do your research. When you get to a nonimmigrant Visa, Check the documents listed there. I am not the reason you are lazy to research simple things.

The last Image with Red font I uploaded states that in many cases the consulate Officer may ask you to upload certain documents to your case.
will you tell him or her no that you believe it is not a requirement?
do your research. You have not applied for a Visa before I have and what they ask me to bring is between me and the officer. they did not ask me to bring a Human head.

you are not a very reasonable person.

Those are all for immigrant visas. You are not applying for an "immigrant visa" so you won't have an "immigrant visa" interview to be required to bring those documents to.
Learn to read. When something says "immigrate visa" it does not mean "nonimmigrant visa".
All this to pretend you live in the US?

You a nut.

MentalCase98:
Bahahaha. There he goes again bragging about his imaginary friends. You always “hang out” with everybody when you are in Lagos. Fool. You are a worthless Nna boy. A spare parts dealer. A nobody in Lagos circles. And you can never hang out with anybody in my lineage. I dare you to mention names.

You are nothing! And you are spewing threats again. I DARE you to be the vindictive type and try something. In fact I am begging you on my knees brov. I am never the the first to make threats, I am not a fool like you who commits crimes all in the name of internet banter, but I promise you my retaliation to anything you try would be beyond anything you could imagine.

Go ahead little man. You claim to know who I am yeah? Try something. I dare you! Bloody fool. Worthless Nairaland addict. At the age of almost 50 you have no life, no family and nothing to your name besides puffery on this meaningless website. You will shit your pants if you ever meet me in person.

Remember this post. Good times. Been in and out of Nigeria 3x since then.

SlyFoxx4lyf:
Oriental Hotel. Dark skinned guy of Igbo heritage coming in from Boston, MA sometime after the election. Body type and height identified from previous pictures. Well noted. Putting the pieces together with my DSS friends. Bro you are going to see me and make all this mouth you’ve been making on nairaland to my face. Mark my word. Cheers.

bemeruca:
that guy is sick

Again, that is for an immigrant visa not a nonimmigrant visa as it says it in the document (immigrant visa interview).

Holy shit. You have 0 idea what you are talking about.
Going to be hella embarrassing when you have that "oh" moment.

bemeruca:
Dude, If you are even gonna argue this, use the Nigerian website. the UK and US share information that as you show up at the consulate they may tell who you are before you file any documents. Nigeria, it is another case. For both Immigrant and Nonimmigrant visas, you are required to get the certificate.

the image below is the same for nonimmigrant visas.

He says the image is the same but the image he posted says "in order to travel on your immigrant visa , you must".
The section is referring to immigrant visas as it says it. Again an immigrant visa is not a nonimmigrant visa.

Your argument is that you got a nonimmigrant visa for Employment yet have 0 idea what process you used to apply.
Just stop lying. You're not smart enough to.

budaatum:
And you can't therefore assume Bemeruca might have had to provide one because he is a criminal?

Maybe, but you were arguing it was always required because you didn't understand nonimmigrant vs. immigrant visas. Not that it was required because he was a criminal.

But, further, if he were a criminal that needed to get a police arrest form, a US company wouldn't have supported his application. Too much risk and too many applicants for that.
Further he posted a link to a immigrant visa application. He would understand that's not the application he used.

Again, the deeper you dig, the more bullshit from his story you dig up.

MentalCase98:
You don’t even know my family. And you know nothing about the history of my culture. Nigeria is not America. And all families are not the same. You are from a part of the country where things operate different. Doesn’t mean it’s the same elsewhere.

All I will say is just try to carry out any of those threats you used to spew out at me before. I promise you will find out how close I am to the “Lagos dynasty”

Omo ale like you. Your own last name does not even ring a bell anywhere in Nigeria. Worthless son of an animalistic father and an illiterate mother.

Shut your mouth. You ain't goin to do sh*t. Because you ain't sh*t.
What's funny is, I actually hang with some of those peeps when I'm in Lagos.
If I was a vindictive type, you'd know it.

budaatum:
Is a visitors visa not 90 days or less?

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/ineligibilities-and-waivers-2/arrest-caution-conviction/

Getting closer. You are required to furnish one if you are arrested and convicted for a temporary visa. It is not required otherwise. Reread that section.

bemeruca:
We have shown you that: Immigrant or Nonimmigrant you need a police certificate. go and argue with the consulate

Again you link an Immigrant VIsa application instruction sheet. You clearly don't know nor understand the difference.

This is the website for the Nonimmigrant visa application. The one you would have used if you had really applied for an employment visa. The site is from the UK embassy. The Uk only requires it if you say you had been arrested.

But you wouldn't have applied from the Uk. You applied from Nigeria. Nigeria doesn't have specific arrest documentation requirements. Partially because the US doesn't even trust documentation from Nigeria.