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raumdeuter:
Evidence of this in Pennsylvania

Democrats have been too focused on their own competitive primaries to cast a Republican ballot. That was probably the case in Pennsylvania, where some Democrats openly encouraged their base to vote for the Republican candidate for governor, Doug Mastriano, whose extreme views they felt made him more beatable in November.
To cast a ballot in the May 17 GOP primary, however, voters needed to register as Republicans ahead of the contest because Pennsylvania has a “closed primary” system
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-donald-trump-georgia-campaign-2016-congress-df4fa72d2d4a1e4d9344d61c0a3d4b9e


In two of the most high-stakes races, Democrats helped Doug Mastriano win the Pennsylvania GOP gubernatorial primary,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/18/democrats-primary-mastriano-lake/

You noticed in this post you mentioned Mastriano instead of Haley right?

I hope you understand the difference between my education and yours now.
In my world, people would have did their research and this would have been their first post rather than your initial post, where you had no idea what you were talking about, that made you look foolish.

Same thing with all your posts on the recent Supreme Court Trump Ruling.

LordAdam16:
Pennsylvania is a closed primary state.
To vote in a Republican primary in PA, you have to register as a Republican.
Many democrats and never trumpers register as Republican to be able to interfere in the Republican primary.
A smattering in this group voted Nikki Haley in April.

The shooter is from Pennsylvania.
The shooter is a Registered Republican.

This fact is relevant. It is not misinformation.

Dude, give it up that you flew off the handle, attempted to deflect, but sadly only came off as one who is incapable of comprehension.
That's on you. Do better next time.

-Lord

Unlike you, I do my research, so I actually saw his voting record last night before I went to bed.
And this AM, surprise surprise, Republicans on twitter were arguing that he actually registered to vote as Republican to vote for Haley in order to deflect that he registered as a Republican. Problem is their dates were wrong.
No surprise when I saw you repeating the same nonsense.

I am glad my critique of your initial post got you to a more logical post.

But it is clear you are lying and had no idea what you were talking about because you would have brought up Mastriano instead of Haley if you had taken the time to research it.
All this lying and obfuscating and spinning is stupid. Isn't it easier to grow up and admit you had 0 idea what you were talking about. Being wrong is ok you know. You should be used to it now.

LordAdam16:
There we go.
Exposed as an NPC.

Listen to my advice. Learn to read!

Zero clue what is being talked about, but you sha have screenshots burning a hole in your gallery; so you have to pollute the space with your mashed-up, irrelevant yammer.

-Lord

Lol. Spin harder.

bemeruca:
This guy is an irrelevant idiot, I don't know why you guys are even responding to him. He left in shame when I and budaatum let him know he is an irrelevant fool, he is back again to try is luck.

More or less irrelevant than a dude who's hates his own skin so much his daughter thinks she's a white girl with freckles, who pretends to live in the US and even lies to his friends telling them he lives in the US? More or less irrelevant than that?

Again, ask yourself, why your life revolves around posting about Muslims in the UK in the US politics thread, a thread of a place you don't live. Did you think that the S and K in US and UK were interchangeable? Or do you just like the notoriety of associating yourself with Americans? You are a nut.

LordAdam16:
We all know what we are doing.

All of a sudden, it is now anathema to suggest that a Democrat will register as Republican to interfere in Republican primaries.
They do it. They celebrate it. But now that it is inconvenient, it must not be talked about. Every PA Republican is now a dyed-in-the-wool Nixon Republican who has never casted a Dem vote in their lives.

This was Never Trumper Registered Republican Biden voter and donor Rick Wilson in 2023 saying and I quote, "They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."

Flashback to Lincoln Project cofounder Rick Wilson in 2023:
"They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."

The mainstream media has the audacity to say that Trump's rhetoric incites violence. pic.twitter.com/8mr21HhgU7

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) July 14, 2024

Yesterday, a younger version of him attempted to.
But heaven forbid we talk about closed primaries and Nikki Haley democrat transplant voters.

-Lord

No, I am saying is you decided to post misinformation and irrelevant info here to deflect from an inconvenient fact.
And are still doing this.

The shooter registered as a Republican. That is the only fact we know. Even if you speculated that he registered in 2021 to hurt the Republicans in 2021. Whatever. I don't like being wrong, so I wouldn't. But, at least it would show that you actually knew the facts, rather than just repeating Right wing trash you read online. Is it too hard to actually review info before reposting it? Do you enjoy always looking stupid?

raumdeuter:
You said you were educated beyond 3rd grade? That's the only shocker here

I said my education stands head and shoulders better than yours.
#Facts

Honestly, I'll give it to you, you're probably the smartest MAGA in this thread. Says a lot, because you are still a dumbass.

LordAdam16:
Look at the stup*d question you are asking.

How many people on this thread and across the Web have inferred that the shooter is MAGA simply because he is a registered Republican?
It is fair to point out that in PA, democrats have and do register as Republicans to be able to vote in the closed primary.

I don't know why you are allergic to facts.
You're the one who barged into a conversation thread you're not part of to accuse us of making assertions we did not make.

I have checked out when he registered and the last records of him voting (potentially different from when he actually last voted).
And those details are completely separate and are in no way incompatible with the fact that democrats and never trumpers register as Republicans to be able to vote in a closed primary.

Again you're the cl*wn who started talking about astronomy when folks are discussing CPR.
Learn to read.

-Lord

You're spinning so fast, you're getting dizzy.
I'm not sure you even know what you are saying anymore.
Lol.

raumdeuter:
Where did anyone say he voted Haley?

Lol. Keep spinning.

raumdeuter:
It depends on whether a state is open or closed primary

We have always known Democrats who register as Republicans to vote in Republican primaries to try and get an easier opponents

It was common for many Democrats, A lot of "Haley voters" were actual Democrats who didnt want Trump

raumdeuter:
In many primaries Democrats have routinely interfered to boost perceived extreme candidates in Republican primaries so that can be easily beaten in general elections

They did for Bolduc in New Hampshire where he lost, they did for Doug Mastriano in Pennsylvania where he ended losing the main elections to Shapiro. It's a tested strategy the Dems have used.

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/11/1135878576/the-democrats-strategy-of-boosting-far-right-candidates-seems-to-have-worked

The time tested approach of changing the goal posts.
I told you were to dishonest to admit you are wrong. Which is quite often.

raumdeuter:
It depends on whether a state is open or closed primary

We have always known Democrats who register as Republicans to vote in Republican primaries to try and get an easier opponents

It was common for many Democrats, A lot of "Haley voters" were actual Democrats who didnt want Trump

LordAdam16:
Where in my post did I say the Shooter voted for Haley?
We simply inferred that many Haley voters were Democrat transplants and that is a fact.
They are lots of never trumpers and democrat transplants who register Republican but vote Democrats.

Furthermore, where in your screenshot does it say who he voted for?
A "Republican" who donated to Biden after Jan 6 will most likely vote for Dems in the 22 elections.

Lastly, do you know how quickly details in voter rolls are updated in PA?
I would want to be certain that any voting conducted in the April Primary has actually being recorded or if primary activity is recorded.

-Lord

And you were inferring about people voting for Haley the day Trump gets shot, because?
Did you take the time to find out when he registered as a Republican?
Did you take the time out to figure out when he last voted?
No, you just ran your mouth.
So, save that bullshit for the other idiots in your crew like raumdeuter.

My post was purely disproving your Bullshit.
Unlike you I am comfortable waiting for the facts to come out and don't feel the need to post right wing trash.

raumdeuter:
Your understanding is always shocking and betrays the education you claim

You are easily the dumbest and most despicable poster on this thread

Yes, using my brain must seem shocking to someone like you. Lol
Please, tell me again how he voted for Haley in 2024 though the last time he voted was in 2022.
Facts.. so Shocking.. Lol

stfu you tool.

raumdeuter:
We all know you are stupid

The facts says he donated to Democrats
The facts says that he attempted to kill a republican candidate

My education says otherwise. Does yours?

Is it that hard to think before posting whatever Right Wing trash you find online?
But this is a trend with you. You seem to stupid to understand what you read and too dishonest to admit when you are wrong.
Which is quite regularly.

Again, tell us how he registered as a Republican in 2021 so he could vote for Haley in 2024 even though the last time he voted was in 2022.
Lol.
Those pesky facts getting in the way of your right wing talking point... innit.
Stupid is as stupid does.

LordAdam16:
This.

Pennsylvania is a closed primary state.

157,000 voted for Haley, many of whom were democrats who registered as Republicans to be able to vote Haley.

-Lord

raumdeuter:
It depends on whether a state is open or closed primary

We have always known Democrats who register as Republicans to vote in Republican primaries to try and get an easier opponents

It was common for many Democrats, A lot of "Haley voters" were actual Democrats who didnt want Trump

You guys always run your mouths without the benefit of any facts or intelligence.
Just misinformation machines.
He registered as a Republican in 2021 and voted last in 2022 which were the midterms or the PA General elections.
It was not the 2024 Presidential primaries.

kkins25:
Even after escaping death, he saw a chance to "campaign"....
I don't like his crowd, but mehn.....
You just gotta love trump!! 😁😁..

I saw a man who cares more about showmanship than he cared about the lives of the people who just risked their lives saving his. They had no idea if there was a 2nd or 3rd shooter. And if you watch the clip as he tried to break free to do his fist pump, agents put their arms and heads in front of his, to protect him, willing to take a bullet for him, if there was a 2nd shooter.
I saw a man who cares more about showmanship than a man who cared about getting the situation under control and making sure everyone else around him was ok.
Someone died and 2 people were critically wounded, who probably couldn't get help because the Secret Service most likely shut everything down trying to get him to safety, while he instead wanted to "campaign".

It solidified in my mind that is not a man I want anywhere near the White House.

bemeruca:
Dude you hate Trump we get it. You didn't know about this guys story initially. Me too I doubted but I leaned towards it is highly likely he was almost assassinated because this is not the kind of crap someone will fake. It will be suicidal to fake this kind of thing.

Most of the things you will hear about trump as lies the media wants you to believe. Your I don't trust trump is based on he is not a Democrat. You won't trust DeSantis or Jesus if he was the Republican flag carrier

From the guy who wakes up doesn't even wash his face and starts to post nonsense he gets from Right Wing Media until the minute he goes to sleep.

Everything you know are lies that Right Wing Media wants you to believe. And you don't know any more than that or any better because you have never set foot in the US.
So you spend day and night in Canada or Nigeria, if Canada has already rejected your asylum claim, trying to propagate Racism and incite violence here in the US.

Laurene:
She's a liar... Just a rabid low IQ pig.
She's spews left wing conspiracies and falsehoods.

Mr. Laurence, when you say Liar, do you mean like a man pretending to be a woman who lives in the US?

Laurene:
lol Many aren't gonna vote... That's a fact!
My profile is open to all to go through so you can carry out anything.

I comment on posts I deem fit to...You're just getting unsettled by nothing.

This is a faceless forum where peeps like you and I can take anonymous identity just like reddit so get over it and tackle the issues.

This is the absolute last time I'd reply you on this issue of identity (of which I never stole any)... Bring up policies then we're game!

Yeah and you choose to pretend to be a woman who pretends at times to live in the US.
Why is it this thread attracts such low self esteem people like you and Bemeruca?
The problem isn't the facelessness, don't give a shit who you are. The problem is the need to lie about where you live to add authority to whatever misinformation you are pushing.

It's odd Mr. Laurence, normally Bemeruca and Basilico would be the first one trashing men who pretend to be women and use female pronouns.

And let's not forget the pic of Biden being kidnapped that Trump posted a few months back.
I'm sure Republicans will be in full hypocrisy mode still.

Laurene:
America is turning to wasteland... Third world republic stuff '

And you would know how Laurence? From your VPN in Nigeria?

I'll just leave this here as the Republican hypocrisy picks up.
Notice the reaction between the two parties.
This is Trump's son, when ex Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's husband was almost assassinated as he was beaten by a hammer in his own home by a man who wanted to assassinate Nancy Pelosi.

wirinet:
I watched the shooting scene from numerous angles and in slow motion. I can confirm it was indeed a real shot and the bullet did graze Trump's ears and hit the young woman behind.

So apologies to Trump's supporters and MAGA.
I am always suspicious of Trump.

I understand your initial thoughts, with Trump you have to be suspicious.

Trump's reaction was not only peculiar but dangerous to the Secret Service agents willing to take a bullet for him.
Instead of quickly leaving the area, he decided to take a campaign photo shoot at the expense of the agents.

Though the secret service did say the shooter was down, they had no way of knowing if he was the only one. In fact they didn't know there was an active shooter until he started shooting. The #1 priority should have been getting the protectee out of the area and then tending to the wounded, which is hard to do with the Protectee there.

They are going to have to investigate all of it, including what the secret service did and didn't do.

Laurene:
You're not even gonna vote... You disappeared for months to come to with Biden's gonna win with a theoretical analysis.

Stop it.
You are talking about someone not voting?
Are you pretending to live in the US again?
I see you're still pretending to be a woman.

Play your games elsewhere.

DaddyCoool:
I thought you said your American system is strictly by the book. No one manipulates mail-in ballots or anything. Now you're saying Trump rigs and manipulates the system.

Quote where I said this. His followers tried to cheat. But, they got caught. There is some fraud in the system. A large percentage of it is caught. But it's so small it never affects the election. Because as I said the cost of doing it (getting caught), far outweighs the benefits. And every system has some loss. The question is, is the loss acceptable/ If not you use another system or redesign it. The US voting system is robust and has redundancies and fraud detection, and the fraud is a tiny fraction. It's not 100% perfect buy maybe 98-99%. Probably 100% better than Nigeria's from what I saw in the last election. Nigeria's election didn't even look functional. I was embarrassed watching clips of it on Twitter during the election. Ask yourself what reference or perspective do you have to even judge the US election? If Nigeria is the only election you understand, it's no surprise you can believe the US election can be rigged like that.

DaddyCoool:
I post FACTS from Google or examples of what I'm talking about. That Biden out-raised and outspent Trump is a fact.
I'm also almost sure Trump has more small donors. I'll google it.

You should review what a fact is then. And op-ed is just that an Opinion. Opinions aren't facts. Again, just because it is written somewhere doesn't make it objective fact. You're discussing this with the wrong person if that's what you believe. And if you believe that it's understandable why you believe some of the misinformation you do and post.

DaddyCoool:
Meanwhile are UK and most of the West also Nigerians? They also overwhelmingly want Trump as president! You're right, it is ironic in a sense, but it's a fact!

Who told you this? Here you go again with your made up facts. This is nonsense. And the fact that you believe this says a lot.
Look, I travel often. The West collectively hates Trump. The Uk and the rest of the West are more liberal, more traveled and more diverse in their views than the US. They hate TRUMP, he's an example of everything they dislike about the US. Just look at the recent elections in France and the UK. It's clear you live in an American Right Wing news ecosystem. To believe that an idiot like Trump would be respected in places like the UK and other Western countries belies a lack of understanding of Western culture. You should visit some of these places before speaking on them.

DaddyCoool:
As for Deep State, you don't understand. It is an extension of the military industrial complex. It didn't start with Trump. They also briefly tried to undermine Obama's administration. And BTW they don't always have a clear choice or anti-choice - as they do with Trump!

Of course I don't understand something that is made up. Your understanding of it seems to shift from post to post. But that's the nature of conspiracy theories innit.. nebulous ideas with no real form that have to shift and morph to make them make sense.

Again, Trump is liked largely by the uneducated. Look at his supporters in the US. The one consistent trait, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to support Trump. Just WILD. Just look at all the election polling on it. And you're in Naij, pushing the guy idiots support. Lol.

DaddyCoool:
Well, Biden has out-raisded and outspent Trump (whom the rich support according to you, see below).

** I only mentioned Hollywood because you said the rich support Trump. Hollywood who are definitely rich plus have star power to raise tons of money

** I'm not confused at all. You're the one who refuses to face facts. There exists a permanent Washington establishment, that is there regardless of who is president {"Deep State"} then there is the left-leaning big press. These groups would work to undermine a candidate they don't like. It doesn't mean whoever they don't like automatically loses. Example, they'd rather Biden beats Trump but if the election were held today Trump would win!

Trump raises a ton of money. Most is spent on legal fees and grifting (funneling money back into his businesses). Biden does raise a ton of money and a lot from corporations and wealthy donors. But he also raises a ton from the average person. Look, you are beholden to who gives you money. And even Biden is beholden to his big donors. Hence some of his policies. THe difference, is that Trump is just a crook and does everything he can to break the system.

Trump pressed oil executives to give $1 billion for his campaign, people in industry say
“This is a scandal” and “an indictment of the system” — but probably legal, one legal watchdog told POLITICO.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131

You haven't posted facts. You google something and find an article that has some wording you agree with and post that as if I'm incapable of reading the full article that doesn't support your point. Or I'm incapable of understanding the biases the writer brings to the article. Or I'm incapable of seeing the crappy source of the article. Because you found an article online doesn't make it fact.

So, every company and every country would have a deep state, by your definition. When Tinubu took office did he fire every single employee of every Federal agency and replace them with his hand picked staff? No, he most likely replaced the heads of those agencies. And it is up to the heads of those agencies to get the agencies pointed to the President's priorities. This is the point I am making. You heard this term Deep State and ran with it. But didn't put any thought to it. They are just employees who stay on after a change. Every company has them. Evey administration has them. But only Trump is complaining relentlessly and has you complaining relentlessly. Because that is what White Males in the US have become. The people with all the power who see themselves as victims. And Black Nigerians are following them by speaking their language. Just odd.

You should figure out why you support and spend better spent time and energy supporting a man like Trump. Is it his policies you think are useful? Or are you supporting him because you are a Christian and think that Republicans are Christians? If you dislike what is going on in Nigeria, from the graft to the unaccountable policies and politicians. That is what Trump is offering the US. I'm always at a loss when Nigerians who are struggling under corrupt leaders, see Trump and say, "we like what we see there". Do Nigerians just have a hard time recognizing fraudsters or does the allure of wealth just blind them?

DaddyCoool:
Well, wealthy Hollywood producers and actors support Dems, so do the richest including Bloomberg below, the single largest donor so far!

**BTW I never said the election was stolen. I don't think it was at all
** They didn't allow Trump to win in '16. Trump won DESPITE all their efforts. They're NOT omnipotent!

I'm sure you understand that the money from Holywood is a drop in the bucket of the money that is spent in the election. You should google what a 501c4 "dark money" organization is. The type of group the Supreme Court made legal with their citizens United Ruling.

You think mentioning Hollywood was some attempted dig. FYI, we have had 2 presidents that actually worked in Hollywood. Reagan and Trump. Both Republicans. Again, you get fooled by what Republicans say instead of what they do.

DaddyCoool:
**BTW I never said the election was stolen. I don't think it was at all
** They didn't allow Trump to win in '16. Trump won DESPITE all their efforts. They're NOT omnipotent!

You sound confused here. So the shadowy group tried to stop Trump in 16 but failed, but succeeded in '20? Yet, you don't think the election was stolen? huh?

Anyhow, you are just scratching the surface on this stuff. There are some great sources of info out there. You should lay off the Fox News type. They are made for the Trump Base.. uneducated and easily manipulated.

Good Luck. Pax.

DaddyCoool:
You really don't agree with this statement below??
You really don't think there's a Washington insider career politician "club" of which Trump was never a member but both Hilary and Biden are long-time members?
As for polls, not all polls had Biden winning then, also bear in mind polls had Hilary winning by a landslide!
As for states, states are made up of cities and counties of which Dem controlled ones are prone to rigging!

You've done a little more research, I'll give you that. But the problem is you're coming at this from the perspective the election was stolen, and when one conspiracy falls you erect another. At a point you have to acknowledge the problem is with your belief the election was stolen.

As to the statement, continuing to post a weak article, won't change the fact it's a weak article that doesn't help your argument.

There are insider clubs. The ex presidents hang together. Ex Senate and House members can return to the Senate and House to use the gym etc. But the people who really run the US are not them but the monied interests, the ones who finance them. And to figure out which politicians these monied interest want to win, just look at the policies. Policies like Trump's decreased taxes for corporations. Or stacking the Supreme Court with right wing members so they can pass rulings like Citizens United, which basically said Corporations are people. Or their last ruling overturning the Chevron decision, basically making it easier for Corporations to pollute and rip off consumers, making the cost of doing business easier and raising their profits. You are looking at it from the short game, which is the goal of people like Trump. The long game is entrenching power for people with money and corporations to do what they want. And they do this by electing politicians so they can pass laws like the Republican Congress has passed and Rulings like the Republican Supreme Court are passing. That's the reason the Supreme Court basically made a President a king, so Trump can continue to run, so the Supreme Court's benefactors can be happy.

As to the counties, you are right. Some counties do administer their own elections based on State laws. But that is it. They still have to follow state law. And if the Republican Governor doesn't feel as if the county has obeyed those laws, they can ask for investigations and even a recount. Which many have done. And suprise suprise, they keep finding Republicans cheating (Trump's chief of staff), but as to this conspiracy that touches all Democratic counties countrywide, not a scintilla of evidence. lol Dems must be amazing at cheating.

So to wrap, you believe that some secret organization that wants Dems to win, allowed Trump to win 2020 even though Hilary was up in polls, but then helped Biden out in 2024 even though Biden was up in polls. And this organization is run through Democratic Counties in Republican States throughout the country. And in these Republican States, Republicans have run investigations, had lawsuits, had recounts, yet they have not found ANY evidence of this wide ranging conspiracy to rig the election. In fact, the opposite has occured. These republicans have been made to pay money for defamation and lost their law licenses for lying about the election and filing false cases in court. Likk Fox News and their close to 1 Billion dollar defamation settlement.

Sounds nuts, No?

DaddyCoool:
The below is from the prestigious Wall Street Journal. Pay special attention to the circled

1.) It's an opinion piece in the RIght Wing Wall Street Journal written by an ex Trump official, David Bernhard.
2.) The article is talking about the administrative state. Career administrators in places like the EPA and FDA. Google them. Nigeria has them as well. People like scientists who make quick decisions to protect American consumers when there is a gap in a law. Say a company wants to dump a new found type of material, Material Z, that may be a carcinogen in the local water supply and the Congress hasn't specifically made a law regulating MAterial Z yet. Republicans are trying to argue, that since Congress hasn't specifically made a law banning Material Z, the EPA shouldn't be able to act since the President hasn't specifically appointed each and every one of them.
3.) The administrative state or in your conspiratorial parlance "Deep State" has no influence on US elections. Elections are run by individual states. Period.

The goal should be to inform yourself, not run around posting links to things you barely understand like one of the myriad uneducated Trump supporters.
Start by reading the US constitution to understand how US elections are run.
Then go state by state and understand how the States run their elections.
Then go review all the recounts and court cases Trump and Co. had and lost.
Then go review all the money in lawsuits and defamation Trump, Fox News and Co. paid out for lying about the election.
Then maybe you'll be at a place to even begin to argue this with me.
The reason why so much of this misinformation persists is that people like you haven't done the above, but you repeat misinformation and propaganda you hear from people with an agenda, like Trump rationalizing why he lost the election every poll said he would lose.

I'm trying to help you not sound like a nut. You want to persist. So be it. I've reached the end of my rope.

DaddyCoool:
Question: What is Deep State? And which candidate do they support? And can they rig any close election no matter the voting method? Read the below carefully

You seemed to have missed the word "conspiracy" in the article you attached. There is no deep state. It's a myth Trump created to explain to his uneducated and conspiratorial minded base why he didn't accomplish the things he promised to. FYI, I hope you also are aware that Trump supporters are generally more uneducated and poorer than Democrats. In fact, states that voted for Biden are the most educated and wealthiest states. Whereas Red or Republican states fall on the bottom of most metrics. Education, Wealth, Health Care, Life Expectancy etc. etc. In fact Red states are largely welfare states, they get back more from the Federal government than they give. Google the data. It's amazing how Right WIng Media (I assume what you listen to) has convinced people otherwise. I'm not sure why Nigerians would align themselves with such people.

Secondly, the US constitution decentralizes Voting. Each state decides how people vote and how electors are chosen. The Constitution does give the US congress the ability to preempt the states in Federal elections, but that has to be enacted through law, passed by Congress signed by the President. So it is pretty hard for a federal "Deep State" group to go into each state, esp. Republican led states and cheat. Your conspiracy theory still makes little sense. Trump is arguing in Republican states, where Republicans held power, cheating happened in just his election that allowed the Democrat, Biden to win. And all this happened while he was President. Lol. And you come up with some conspiracy, that a shadowy group somehow manipulated these Republican Trump supporting Governors to make them cheat against Trump and somehow manipulated all the recounts to show that Trump lost? That should sound nuts to you. Let me ask you, where was this shadowy group the first time Trump won?

But seriously, if you want some real sources of news so you don't sound like you wear a tinfoil hat to go to sleep, I'll send you some. I get it, you're not in the US. But this stuff works on Trump supporters in the US because they are largely uneducated/undereducated and so fall for it. Why put yourself in the same bucket of the uneducated?

DaddyCoool:
Funny guy. You know full well that evangelicals and straight laced are usually Republicans while weirdos ok with cheating are usually Dems -
so are FBI, Justice department, etc. Can you tell us what prevents an illegal or other ineligible from mailing in ballot?

So, this is the problem I find with Nigerians commenting on the US. Most have never been and most don't have the slightest idea of US culture.

-Police/FBI/Justice people are mostly conservative. The culture is very conservative, esp. the FBI. There has never been a Democratic Director of the FBI. Even Democrats appoint Republicans to head the FBI. Check the history. It is utter nonsense that somehow liberals have infiltrated the FBI or any law enforcement.

-Evangelicals. I actually find US Republican Evangelicals (somewhat like some Nigerian Evangelical leaders) to be phony. I'm Christian and most Christians I know and respect are Democrats. The one's not cheating on their wife's and who give 10% of their income to charity, I mean. Case in point, how is any Evangelical supporting a 3 times divorced, confessed rapist will multiple felony indictments?

-As I said, it is illegal for an non citizen to vote. Jail time illegal. And there are tons of checks to make sure noone is voting illegally. I told you about the barcode tracked ballot I use to vote by mail in my state. Hard for someone illegal to cast a vote that way, they wouldn't be on the registered list and their ballot would be tracked. And would you risk voting illegally in person? In my upper middle class white neighborhood, there are 2 armed police officers in my polling station and a couple outside the polling station. And you have to check in with at least 2 people before voting. That is similar to mostly all polling stations. In fact, during the last election, the Bulk of attempted illegal voting (voting multiple times), were Trump MAGA Republicans. Do a google search.

I'm not sure where you getting most of this misinformation, but it's not accurate or consistent with what is going on in the US.

DaddyCoool:
Funny guy. Convenience my ass. You must be an aspiring election rigger

This is a lot of nonsense.
If you've voted in the US elections, you'd know how secure it is.
The electronic voting machines all print paper receipts, so a hand recount is possible if there is an issue.
The mail in ballots have barcodes so you can track where the ballot is. It helps with fraud.
Cheating is so hard and the cost if you get caught makes it not worth it.
I get it, if your understanding is Nigeria elections, you wouldn't be able to fathom they night and day difference between the US and Nigeria. we don't use tupperware containers to store ballots for 1.

People arguing that the Dems (who weren't in power Federally), cheated in states controlled by Republicans in an election where a Republican , with control of the FBI and Justice department was president aren't thinking well. It makes absolutely no sense.

Yes, same day voting and counting would be the best, but it's the Republicans that have made that impossible.
They won't pass a law making voting day a holiday.
In some states they make it illegal to count early votes before the same day voting is counted, making counting votes harder.
In some states they have limited the polling stations so in more populous (Dem areas) there are at times 6 hour lines to vote.
The Republican goal has been to frustrate people trying to vote, so less people vote, because if more people vote, Republicans lose.

But what I find the oddest about this, is that the man who has bet on driverless cars and new spacecraft thinks new voting technology is bad. That should tell you everything you need to know about his thoughts on this

budaatum:
You don't think that is what evangelicals are doing, while I do think that is what evangelicals are trying to do.

You think that is what Muslims are doing but I don't think that is what Muslims can do.

If you were honest or knew some history I don't think you will claim evangelicals in America are not political. But even if that is what or not what either is doing, I have faith that they will both fail, as they have always failed historically. You do know we kicked Catholic Sharia out, right?

In my own view, Iran stands more chance of abandoning Sharia and kicking out the ayatollah and mullahs and becoming secular, that anyone imposing their poxy gods on us.

If we ban Billy Graham and his fake miracles, we sure will ban an ayatollah and their sharia.

Wrong Again. Evangelicals have been quite successful in US politics. The US is not the UK. Understanding that you don't know how much you don't know about the US should be the start for you.

[quote author=budaatum post=130809502][/quote]Real talk, there was a time I thought you were thoughtful, but you burst that bubble after the 5th time of me telling you, you were quoting from the wrong section and you KEPT quoting from the wrong section. lol. So, determined in your Wrongness.

You're like Bemeruca, just more read. But still a low IQ.