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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 4:05pm On Jun 13, 2024

bemeruca:
Budaatum posts is only better when he agrees with you.

Try to keep up, I know it's hard.

Budaatum's posts are better because they are generally more reasoned, more informative and they bring perspective that I may not have had and lend the believe that he's researched them or thought through them. I don't always agree. But he at times makes illogical arguments to win. The opposite of reasoned. THis is what he is doing now. You can tell because he went from calling me racist, to then countryist, while using countryist wrong.

Your posts on the other hand are trash. Not reasoned, not informative, not thought out. As if you turned your mind off and just regurgitated nonsense someone filled your ear with.

Hope that brings some clarity to you.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 3:54pm On Jun 13, 2024

bemeruca:
Try not to project.
Anyone you disagree with now is a hurt and emotional person. You move from me to raumdeuter now budaatum. As for me, I have seen everything on this forum so I am at rest. My trolling of you or anyone is at 2%.

Again, you are not entitled to be respected on this forum. Just accept that fact.

Budaatum refuses to share the same irrational fear of Republicans as you, he refused to buy into many of your baseless claims that the sky is falling when we know it is the opposite, that is okay, just agree to disagree. I know for sure that budaatum is inconsistent with this "the sky is falling" delusion. But I digress.
No one is emotional here except you accusing others. I have asked you to leave this and just agree to disagree but you refused.

Trust me, budaatum will occasionally take shots at you and troll you to rile you up. You are new to this forum and there is a reason why I call him snake, because he trickishly eats his own. He is not Wrong to do that. If you can't handle it, leave it.

I believe if PrideofLincoln1 was not arrested, you and him would have gone into a nigger moment here in the Fruited Plains. That guy is stubborn and irrationally identical with you.

Most of what you, Basilico and Raum post is nonsensical tripe based on propaganda and emotions. It's clear you all had 3rd tier educations. You'd be schooled and made to look the bumbling fools you are in any circle I'm in. I guess it's easier when not so bright people like you three congregate together. You guys make each other feel smarter.

Buda's posts are better as it seems he either reads more, is smarter or is better educated. But he's been making illogical arguments about this experience thing. And you can tell emotional arguments because they are illogical. And these emotional/illogical argument he's been making the last few days is because he can't emotionally accept the fact that you need experience on something to talk authentically about it. And to cap it off, he's using words such as countryist, he doesn't even understand the meaning of because he's so emotional. All he has to say, is you're right, I don't live in the US, so, I may not fully understand the culture. That would be it. But, he can't bring him to say something so logical and true. Because he has to be right.

As to you. You're a lost cause. A degenerate. You literally spend your life here. In fact, you started lying about living in the US because I said you don't live in the US. That's not hurt and emotional? And to act like you just like to troll is BS as you've reported me and had me banned every time I called you an IDIOT. Every time. That seems like an emotional response to being insecure about your lack of intellect, No? When I have long been gone from here, you will still be here lying about living in the US. You're a purebred NUT.

It's no surprise this thread is as trash as it is. People seem to like hearing themselves talk and so they repeat mis/disinformation they hear on right wing propaganda. And they like to talk around Americans as if that makes them superior to "other Nigerians". Why else devote so much time to a US thread, when the country you live in could use your support? What is the value of a thread if all it does is propagate misinformation? Well I guess people like you can't tell the difference.

I don't care what you think of me. I came here to learn and discuss my ideas. Which is hard because this place is filled with bottom dwelling people like you and Basilico. So, if you think I'm an elitist jerk, don't give a fux. The strength of my argument is all that matters and you haven't been able to touch them. To that matter, what have you ever been right about? No wonder you've turned yourself into a Troll, I guess that's better than admitting you're not smart enough to engage in proper arguments.

Lol.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:46pm On Jun 13, 2024

budaatum:
I am very delighted it is not lost on you that you are countryist.

From Racist to Countryist. Do you even know what a countryist is? Lol. Clearly you don't.

budaatum:
Anyone who's watched those channels knows your "get out of my country" is more likely to come from them.

Interpreting, "you have to live somewhere to be able to understand it" to "get out of my country" is a nice logical leap. The same kind of thing Fox and co. are known for.
Of course. Saying things over and over without any basis in fact of course makes it true. Yeah, that was sarcasm. The more you type the more you sound like Bemeruca. I guess hurt/emotional people all sound the same.

As I said, I think it's clear you don't have any real convictions. You waffle when it's convenient to win arguments.
Imagine, you've tried to call me a racist, now a countryist (though you don't seem to know what that means), next I'll be a sexist because I stated something obvious.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 1:02pm On Jun 13, 2024*

budaatum:
Its a good thing you are not white. If you were white you'd be telling us black folks to get out of your United States of America.

You must have forgotten, you're not in the US. So, even if I were white, I wouldn't be able to say that to you, would I?

But this is a weird comment. The type of comment I'd expect from Fox and Oann. The type of comment that gives me a headache because it's filled more with grievance than logic. I think you've been watching those right wing echo chambers too often.

Fyi, if you were in the US, you'd have a connection to the US, to be invested in it, right? If so, why would I care?
But it does sound like something Raum would say and has says when I disagree with him. Maybe you can direct this comment to him instead.

And it's not lost on me that you went to the extent of calling me a racist through some round about perverted logic.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 9:35pm On Jun 12, 2024

basilico:
What is misinformation. I post for posterity. Misinfo and disinfo are two terms that became widespread in the wake of the pandemic. You are an echo chamber, a useful idiot out with a club to silence any view opposite to your utopian thinking
I have no interest in the US, but your tax dollars does fund a good part of my lifestyle.
I hope USAID will find our solar proposal across west and northern Africa. More cash for my side business

"I have no interest in the US", says the guy who spends 99% of his time on this forum in this US thread.
The last guy, from this thread (Bemeruca), who said the same thing, pretended he moved to the US and still pretends he lives here. lol.

Everyone in this thread who dedicates their lives to a country they don't live, should get a psych eval IMHO.

#FactsOverFiction #BasilicoLyingAgainv #BasilicoIsALiar

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 9:29pm On Jun 12, 2024

budaatum:
The total amount of data on the internet is estimated to be around 44 zettabytes. And a zettabyte is 2 to the 70th power bytes, which is equal to a thousand exabytes, a billion terabytes or a trillion gigabytes.

Its not my field, and nor have I lived in the United States of the Internet, but from the above, you'd need a hefty storage in that laptop or have it connected to a data storage bank center, which would require a lot more than a laptop to run.

But, coming from you Bas, I'd need to check if Ijebos said what you are claiming Ijebos said, same way I'd check if the blue sky you say is blue is not really red.

So you do get seem to get it. Except outside of topics regarding the US where you feel you can gain that knowledge just by blinking ur eyes three times.

But your insecurity in all this is amusing. Like a child lashing out because he was told he was a child. Maybe you can dedicate another 10 posts to lashing out because I told you an immutable truth.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:35pm On Jun 12, 2024

bemeruca:
So buda can learn or experience jury process through other means. He does not have to be in the US. Also, we should not conflate experience with knowledge. Many people for millenias experience gravity but they have no clue of what it is.

I am only telling you experience can come without being in the US. Budaatum might have gone to a class where they enacted the American court and jury system.

I always left room for expertise based on intense study or knowledge. I give Budaatum that benefit of the doubt for the most part as he seems he does read, but once in a while he wades into areas he has no objective experience or expertise in, and doesn't acknowledge when that happens.

You and Basilico on the other hand don't read or study anything and are intellectually lazy so I think much of what you post is Bullshit.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:27pm On Jun 12, 2024

budaatum:
You must have serious issues with buda's ego. Perhaps you should concern yourself with your own ego instead of the ego of buda. After all, you have not lived in buda's ego, so how the heck can you claim to know anything about buda's ego, going by your own logic?

Maybe because you keep saying things like "buda's ego". I have a healthy ego which allows for the fact that I am not omniscient so there are things I don't know I don't know.

budaatum:
I repeat, I do not think you most likely did jury service. You said you did jury service, and I believe you did jury service and I have no reason to assume you are lying about doing jury service.

Again, It's a silly notion for anyone who lives in the US to believe someone would lie about that. People believe, only idiots don't get out of jury service. There is a financial cost as you have to be away from work for those days. If you are salaried you have to be paid, but if you work for yourself, it's a cost. They give you a $50 day stipend. My company pays me regardless. Most aren't willing to bear it. My neighbor did Grand Jury service I think it was for 1 or 2 months. He's retired though and wanted to get out of the house. How many people could do that? Could afford that if the work for themselves?

budaatum:
It's the same way you said you went to Harvard and I believe you did go to Harvard because I don't think you'd come here and lie to us about going to Harvard.

I don't care either way. I'm not one of those people who leads with it as most of my friends don't either. And I didn't lead with it here either. Your believe on that has 0 impact on my life.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:09pm On Jun 12, 2024

bemeruca:
Budaatum got exposed through the internet, books and other means.

Some people do learn new languages through their keyboard and monitor. In Nigeria, there are French classes one can take. They don't have to go to France to experience French or know French.

What the Bleep does this even mean? Is French only spoken in France? Wtf? Are you ok?
They experienced the French language to learn the French language. Period!
Speaking French does not mean you know anything about French culture.
To go further, speaking French you learned on the computer does not mean you understand the cultural context in which to use certain words.
How do I know.? I studied French in highshcool and my class did a trip to France, becasue the teacher thought it was important to do so . to 1.) have to be forced to speak it to get a better handle on it and 2.( to know how to effectively use the language. And she was right.
I am convinced you don't understand the meaning of the words you use and you were also repeatedly dropped on your head as a child..
You idjit.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:01pm On Jun 12, 2024

bemeruca:
Going by your logic, you have to fully be basilico to fully understand he doesn't understand how the jury system works.

I have seen white men speaking my dialect, they were not even born in Nigeria but I can't speak or understand my dialect.

People can know or understand things without experiencing it.

The white men speaking your dialect were exposed to your dialect, Hence they experienced your dialect. Or did you think they woke up one day and just started speaking ur dialect. God, you're idjit.

See Budaatum, this is the anti-intellectual Bullshit you are promoting with your emotional based screeds to make yourself feel better for not living in the US, yet assuming you know everything about it.
Well done.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 4:43pm On Jun 12, 2024

budaatum:
Are you sure you can read and understand at all?

Where did I try to call you a liar?

Was I lying myself when I said I too have done jury service 3 times, or is comprehension a problem for you?

You do know that it Is citizens who do jury service in UK right, or must you live in UK to know that?

Ijebos, please know that I am now most definitely questioning your judgement and your ability to understand what you read!

I don't give a shit what you question. Who are you to be questioning me? Let's keep it 100.

The problem is that you have an emotional attachment to this argument. You don't live in the US, have never been to the US so you have to rationalize why you feel you have expert judgement on all things the US when all of Human hostory tells us to fully understand something you have to fully experience it.

Now to Basilico. To preface this, Basilico doesn't live in the Us, lives in a country that doesn't use a jury system, doesn't really research and is prone to pulling ish out of his ass.

So, when I say he doesn't understand US jury systems because he doesn't live in the US, it is based on my knowledge of Basilco such as the things I mentioned above. Yes, I use my brains to decipher people based on past interactions with them. Whereas in the US, every Tom, Dick and HArry, understands Jury duty.

So, let's move onto your argument that you live in a place that has a jury system and so would explain why you may understand that I most likely served. That argument actually makes my point. You can understand it because you have a cultural reference of being called 3 times. Or you have experienced it. It also makes my point, again, why Basilico having no cultural reference to Jury Duty would think it is odd someone has sat on a jury 2x.

Let me go further even though you may have a cultural reference to jury systems, you still don't have a cultural reference to Us jury systems and the culture that surrounds them. So, your understanding of Uk jury systems will only take you so far in reference to US Jury systems. Unless you believe you are omniscient of course. As I said, it's an ego thing.

Imagine the ego on you to think you know everything about a place you've never been. I guess it's that same ego that allows you to refer to yourself in the 3rd person.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:44pm On Jun 12, 2024

budaatum:
Are you equating buda with basilico the lying kraken qanon conspiracist?

He called you a liar, and you then go on to tell how citizens are called for jury service, having assumed he does not know citizens are called for jury service. And the reason you think he doesn't know citizens are called for jury service is because "they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US". But have you considered that he might know but still thinks you are lying all the same, or is calling you a liar because he likes winding you up like he constantly does? After all, we've discussed 2 cases here very recently, both of which had juries. Or do you think he thinks those jurors who were peers of the accused were brought from Mars?

This is why I accuse you of gaslighting. But it now seems like you just create a narrative that fits your beliefs instead of considering likely alternatives.

Sorry, but I am not accepting your 'all swans are black' illogic a la, basilico doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US, therefore buda doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US. Its shoddy logic and lazy reasoning, and not what I'd expect from a Harvard graduate, and if this is a perfect example of anything, its one of how you wrongly infer and claim it was implied, and then fit the data to your wrong assumption, just as you repeatedly did with me. And all it does is say more about you than those you want to say anything about.

I haven't lived in USA, and neither have I ever been there, but I know citizens are called for jury service, and if I didn't know I could just decide to educate myself by googling it wherever I am, or just read a book about jury service in America, or even simply logically deduce it from the fact that a jury of one's peers must be citizens from one's community. And that's apart from the fact that I have done jury service three times myself and therefore ought to know despite never having been to USA.

And before anyone infers from this that I am defending the liar basilico, I mule his kraken 2000 times so that idea is disabused.

You picked the wrong hill to die on.
Go ahead. Intimate I'm lying again.
At a point your judgement is in question for trying to call me a liar about something so silly. And back to my point it would be silly if you lived in the US and understood the culture around jury service. People try to get out of it, not sit on them. But again neither you nor Basilico live here. So, where is that perspective coming from? Nowhere...
And what I have I posted that I haven't had receipts to back up?
Had to go into my file cabinet for these. You can google what these are.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:34pm On Jun 12, 2024

budaatum:
Are you equating buda with basilico the lying kraken qanon conspiracist?

He called you a liar, and you then go on to tell how citizens are called for jury service, having assumed he does not know citizens are called for jury service. And the reason you think he doesn't know citizens are called for jury service is because "they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US". But have you considered that he might know but still thinks you are lying all the same, or is calling you a liar because he likes winding you up like he constantly does? After all, we've discussed 2 cases here very recently, both of which had juries. Or do you think he thinks those jurors who were peers of the accused were brought from Mars?

This is why I accuse you of gaslighting. But it now seems like you just create a narrative that fits your beliefs instead of considering likely alternatives.

Sorry, but I am not accepting your 'all swans are black' illogic a la, basilico doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US, therefore buda doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US. Its shoddy logic and lazy reasoning, and not what I'd expect from a Harvard graduate, and if this is a perfect example of anything, its one of how you wrongly infer and claim it was implied, and then fit the data to your wrong assumption, just as you repeatedly did with me. And all it does is say more about you than those you want to say anything about.

I haven't lived in USA, and neither have I ever been there, but I know citizens are called for jury service, and if I didn't know I could just decide to educate myself by googling it wherever I am, or just read a book about jury service in America, or even simply logically deduce it from the fact that a jury of one's peers must be citizens from one's community. And that's apart from the fact that I have done jury service three times myself and therefore ought to know despite never having been to USA.

And before anyone infers from this that I am defending the liar basilico, I mule his kraken 2000 times so that idea is disabused.

Basilico didn't understand how people are called for Jury duty. That is clear. 1.) Why would he? He doesn't live here so it doesn't affect him. And he doesn't seem like a voracious reader of non propaganda. 2.) The time frame is different from state to state. The frequency of being called almost ensures people will serve.
The point of getting called to Jury Duty is so that people can serve on those juries. And because a lot of people actively try to get out of jury service, if you don't try to get out of it by lying to say you can't serve or lying to say that you are biased etc. etc, there's a good chance you'll serve on a jury. But, if you've ever been called, you may not understand that. So, if you don't live in the US, that is a cultural reference you would have no way of knowing. And why would I lie about serving? In the US, it's generally believed that only idiots can't get out of serving jury duty. And for that record what I have lied about in this thread?r

As to you.
You are a Nigerian who lives in the UK. You have two whole cultures I'm sure you are curious about and want to know the intricacies of. To spend so much of your free time on the US is nuts I think.
Further, I've noticed a pattern with you, you get emotional and then seek attention/affirmation from the same people who abuse you. It's not an endearing quality. I didn't want to say it, but Bemeruca is right about you, even a broken clock is right 2x a day. You are two-faced. And to top it off, I'm not even sure what your true values are. You seem to flip flip readily because you don't want to lose arguments. Pick a lane. And fyi, this third person shit of calling yourself Buda makes you look nuts.

I've warned you about getting at me and tried to be patient with you. As you can see, I've exhausted that patience.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:15pm On Jun 12, 2024

basilico:
Ah good. Noone doubts you are in America, we doubt how you suddenly have experienced every situation that crops up. Like you infering you was almost thrown infront of a train because you was with a white lady.
On jury summons , I give you a pass.
Happy,?

Just saw, California 55% Latinos will also have to pay for $800 billion in reparations to blacks.

I guess people get summoned to Jury Duty so they won't serve on Juries. You're a fuxing idiot.
But what a shocker that the guy who doesn't live in the US, and has no tangible interests in the US doesn't understand the requirements of US citizenship.

Most of your posts here are trash, because you really don't understand the US and spend your days and nights posting misinformation. You guys make this thread a cesspool of misinformation. For what purpose? Because you want to hear yourself talk about something you don't understand? You've succeeded. Create more BS posts so you can feel like the smartest least informed person here.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:58am On Jun 12, 2024

basilico:
Liar. Lies.
I've sat on juries. More than once.

I've experienced racism in London with my white girlfriend.

Bemeruca range Rover eat your intestines from sunrise to sunset.

See Budaatum, here is a perfect example of someone not knowing what they are talking about because they don't understand US law/culture because they don't live in the US. As a US citizen you are required to appear if you are summoned for Jury Duty. I'm a US citizen and live in MA. I can be summoned once every 3 years. I cheat a little and postpone it for a year. So every 4 years. I believe in my civic duty so when I appear I don't try to get out of it by lying and saying I can't be impartial. I've been selected 2x. 1 was a long trial, I think 3 weeks. The other short, 1-2 days. The other times, sat read my kindle and waited. Most of the trials those days settled.

If you want to spend your life deluged in topics regarding a country you've never been to, it might behoove you to understand it's basic customs and practices.

Here is the 2019 postponement. I don't even think I had to serve because of Covid.
Below that is the 2024 summons I postponed.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 2:39am On Jun 12, 2024

budaatum:
Been watching MSNBC, and have found them to be much fairer on this. I do dread what I'd find on Newsmaxx and OAN though, as they are usually dump promoting pacs. Fox, well, I don't see their point to be honest, and the Jones channel is not even news but a diqhardener selling channel.

You don't have any UK stations? Aren't you in the midst of an election? I'm sure there's some interesting things going on where you live.

Foreign Affairs › Re: President Biden's Son, Hunter Convicted On All Charges In Gun Trial by ijebosb: 7:55pm On Jun 11, 2024

Good Article: Biden should have fired the Trump appointed Prosecutor once he got into office. At that point it became a political prosecution and Biden had too much belief in the rule of law to interfere.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:53pm On Jun 11, 2024

Good article.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:33pm On Jun 11, 2024

raumdeuter:
The law was made so that drug users who will be mentally unstable and cannot be rational don't get their hands on guns
I wonder why you got triggered by the "Mentally unstable people who can't think for themselves"

You literally posted misinformation you were fed and are now talking about thinking for yourself. Why don't you tell us again how the NY state prosecution was the same DOJ office as the Federal Prosecution.
Repeating misinformation and then acting like you know what you are talking about is common for you as you do it here often.

Now tell me, how someone who is unstable and not rational can fill out a form saying they are stable and rational? What mens rea can they have in that moment? I'm sure the Supreme Court will also find the form illegal the way it is currently written. It hinges upon someone believing they are an addict. How many addicts think they are addicted?

You see the difference in the fawning proganda your posts are based on and how my posts are constructed?
That's the difference with someone who thinks for themselves.

Let's go even further. How many other addicts have they prosecuted for owning guns.. I bet it's almost 0 if not 0. Let's go even further, they spend tons of money prosecuting this case, couldn't that money have been better spent in a case with better policy outcomes? That's the problem with this, the DOJ budget isn't infinite, and so they have to pick and choose priorities. How was this a priority? I can easily explain why Trump's prosecution was. How bout spending the Money we spent on Hunter on asylum cases to decrease the wait time.. etc. etc.

But you haven't sat and thought this stuff out. Too complex for your small mind to understand. It's all "Biden's son got convicted.." Yay!

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:14pm On Jun 11, 2024

raumdeuter:
That is the problem with the media which end up pushing mentally unstable people who can't think for themselves into fanatism

2 convictions Trump and Hunter by the same Justice dept. Fox news and CNN will try to bend themselves into pretzels convincing that one is just and one is unjust. One is right and one is wrong

He said "mentally unstable people who can't think for themselves" while pushing untrue propaganda showing he is a "mentally unstable person who can't think for himself". lol

1.) It wasn't the same Justice Dept. One was a State prosecution the other Federal prosecution. State and Federal are two different entities. Even further, The Federal prosecutor was a Trump appointed prosecutor who Biden let stay on and was elevated to a Special Prosecutor.

2.) Just because we have 2 similar things doesn't mean they are the same. One thing can be right while, the other is wrong.

Example:
I can easily explain the policy objective behind the Trump prosecution:
We don't want presidential candidates breaking campaign finance laws to deceive voters before an election. Because voters should be able to understand who they are voting for. Trump was the head of the organization, so we want to try Trump to prevent others from doing the same.

Now you go ahead and explain why the Special prosecutor tried Hunter Biden and ex addict for lying on a gun form while let off the Gun store Dealer for lying or fraud on the same gun form. What was the social policy goal there? Was it to get more illegal guns off the street? If so, why not prosecute the gun dealer who clearly committed fraud?

When you open your mind and think for yourself, the depth of analysis and understanding opens up.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:02pm On Jun 11, 2024

budaatum:
Yet, she sat on the jury and convicted, as the evidence required her to.

Guess that is sufficient evidence that USA is not bananas.

I'm not sure your point.
I've sat on juries and I've always thought that juries do their duty conscientiously and follow the evidence and law regardless of their feelings.
So I think it makes my point.
If the Supreme court found say X. And someone was tried of X. Most juries would convict if they found the evidence was there despite their feelings on X. I say most because some may nullify.

Foreign Affairs › Re: President Biden's Son, Hunter Convicted On All Charges In Gun Trial by ijebosb: 6:55pm On Jun 11, 2024

Geovanni412:
They already have weaponised the conviction but not in the way you think

The article says that the prosecutor, David Weiss was a Trump-appointed attorney in Delaware

That information is useless to the conviction, its only purpose is to throw veiled political undertones to the case.

It does have political undertones. He was a Trump appointed attorney who Bill Barr let stay on, who Biden didn't fire when he took office. There was a plea deal between the parties that was aggressive for the crimes. They Trump appointed prosecutor went back on it because Republicans politicized it. If this wasn't Biden's son, this trial would have never happened. People rarely get prosecuted for this.

In fact, to make this fair, anyone who smokes weed in the US and owns a gun, would be prosecuted. It is rare for this type of prosecution without an underlying crime with the gun.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:41pm On Jun 11, 2024

budaatum:
CNN is gaslighting by making it sound like Hunter's drug was marijuana which many see as a less harmful drug and is legal in some states, and not crack cocaine that is not legal anywhere.

Marijuana is illegal federally. This was a federal prosecution. Hunter lied on a federal gun form. So, anyone who smokes marijuana should be prosecuted just as Hunter was. That is the point CNN is making.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:39pm On Jun 11, 2024

The case “seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars,” one female juror told CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-trial-06-11-24#h_49def32184abfa994afffb9347a238e3

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:18pm On Jun 11, 2024

happney65:
See,I understand your point. For and against.

However if the parties involved are not okay with the judgement there is a chance for an appeal isnt it?

Cool.

But the fact that the son of a sitting president can be found guilty on crimes he committed is a good one. This can only happen in the united states' of America.

We hope in Nigeria,the son of a sitting president,EG Seyi Tinubu can be tried too of crimes he committed.

If he didn't commit any crime,you know there is nothing to charge him with.

We in Nigeria would love us to experience such justice system,But hey,Back home,out justice system is for the highest bidder

I agree with this sentiment and I think that's the reason why Biden is so determined to show that the RULE of LAW works by saying he won't pardon his son.

He did commit a crime. And he was found guilty of it. But normally the Justice system works to advance Social policy. And brings cases to do such. The Justice system spent millions of dollars to convict an addict of having a gun for 10 days based on the fact he wrote a book to help others and called the police to report the gun his sister threw away What policy goals does this serve?

And we haven't talked about how this treats one person differently than others. Weed is a controlled substance. So technically millions of Americans who smoke weed and own guns should be facing criminal charges as well like Hunter Biden.

This was an overzealous prosecution.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:10pm On Jun 11, 2024

budaatum:
The last few days have been me arguing that the United States is not a banana republic so they can't get away making 4 black votes equal 1 white vote, but I've been informed that I am ignorant and don't know what I'm talking about because I don't live in America, so, sorry, I don't believe you.

This whole thing is a non-sequitur. I honestly don't even understand what this means. Let's leave alone the usage of the term "banana republic". People have somewhat contorted the meaning. The rule of law is determined by what the law is. At a point the constitution said a black person was equal to 3/4 a white person. Was that a "banana republic" based on what I think ur usage is?

budaatum:
Show me your America Passport or your entry visa on you non-American passport to prove you are in America please. You may email it to me using the email on my profile. Photos of bridges will not be accepted.

You sound hurt, emotional and increasingly ridiculous. How many times have you spoken about me now? Grow up.

Some of the things you say betray an ignorance of the US. Of course they do. As would some of the things I say would, if I spoke at length about the UK, only being there for short periods. Or did you think by watching US news, never studying US history, government and not ever stepping foot in the US, you'd know everything? There is that pride/ego I'm talking about. The truth is you can't know what you don't know.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 5:51pm On Jun 11, 2024

happney65:
Of course. But because the system still working well,his plea deal was thrown out of the window.

So when you people want to talk about weaponisng the DOJ,I hope you can look yourself in the mirror and see your hypocrisy.

Anyone found guilty should have his day in court.

Be you a Former President or the Son of a sitting president

I keep going back and forth with Budattum about the dangers of right wing propaganda. Because it infiltrates the system.
I'm not calling you out but this is an example.
The point of Justice wearing a blind fold is that Justice should be meated out fairly and without favor.

So, if you look at the plea deal, it was actually HARSHER than anyone else would have gotten.
But Republicans politicized it and made the Trump appointed prosecutor backtrack.

How do we know it was harsher, we can easily compare comparable cases.
This gun case is rarely if every charged without an underlying crime.
The Tax case is rarely charged criminally if people pay back their taxes.
These aren't subjective statements, they can be objectively verified by going back and looking at similar cases.

But Republicans politicized it, propagandized with the "sweetheart deal" verbiage. And good people repeat it and believe that he was in fact getting a sweetheart deal when he wasn't.

Here is Trey Gowdy, no friend of the Biden's, who was a Prosecutor on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvstdFw-g-I

Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking News: Hunter Biden Convicted On All 3 Felony Charges by ijebosb: 4:44pm On Jun 11, 2024

This is a bad outcome. Hunter Biden was treated worse than anybody whose name wasn't Biden.

1.) This case is rarely every brought outside of someone suing the gun to commit a felony.
2.) Every American who smokes weed and buys a gun would be held to the same account. They are not.
3.) They immunized the gun store owner who sold Hunter the gun who forged the gun forms. Imagine a similar situation where a drug/gun dealer gets immunized so their testimony can be used to prosecute a drug/gun buyer. What governmental policy does that move forward?

Biden should have fired this Trump appointed prosecutor when he became President. Democrats always try to hard to seem fair and they always get screwed by it.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 11:27pm On Jun 10, 2024

budaatum:
I'm certain you've heard it said somewhere that UK is the 53rd (or 51st to some) state. I'm also certain you are aware of United States' impact and influence in UK and Nigeria and the world. So don't you ever tell me I have no right to an opinion or don't know what I'm saying just because I disagree with you! Its silly, childish, and lame.

Damn! 3 supreme court justices of the United States of America's Supreme Court who live in the United States of America just told you water is not wet and you can't excise them by claiming they don't live in America lol.

The political culture of USA is the most broadcast in the world. And I watch both the right and left of it and read extensively unlike you who blinds yourself to some sides of it because they hurt your head. In fact, claiming to understand the culture because you live there is you trying to swing a fallacy since you can't possibly live in all of America with various diverse cultures depending where you live, so please stop with the gas!

That's you. Though I must wonder why you bother to come on to a Nigerian forum to argue with Nigerians about USA. Were you expecting we'd bow down to your supposed superior knowledge because you live there perhaps?

Do you tell the magas who disagree with you that they don't live in USA too? And what would your response be if they claim you aren't qualified to speak because you are just an immigrant?

As I said, there is no requirement for me to do what you do. But if you think we are all not qualified to discuss the United States of America that we don't live in, perhaps you are in the wrong forum discussing with the wrong people!

And for your information, I would gladly go to an Israeli forum to tell them Netanyahu is being a diqhead. And I don't need to live there or have my tax fund them to come to that conclusion or say so.

I don't care what you discuss, I just care that your discussing it from a place of knowledge. And so let me be honest, some of things you say aren't said from a place of knowledge. Facts, wrong, law wrong, culture wrong. These are objective things. Less so than Bemeruca and Basilico, but still objectively wrong on some things. And then I have to tip-toe around it because at my core I don't like telling people they are wrong or calling people out unless they are dycks. A place where you're creeping up on.

And to be frank, I think it's the height of pride to argue that you can know something without experiencing it. Maybe it's the scientific side of me, but I couldn't. I would need to immerse myself and study something fully until I wouldn't feel like a fraud or inauthentic talking about it. And so what is my goal? Is it to be right or gain knowledge. For me it's to gain knowledge.

budaatum:
The political culture of USA is the most broadcast in the world. And I watch both the right and left of it and read extensively unlike you who blinds yourself to some sides of it because they hurt your head. In fact, claiming to understand the culture because you live there is you trying to swing a fallacy since you can't possibly live in all of America with various diverse cultures depending where you live, so please stop with the gas!

You like these down low insults don't you? Leave them alone. Let's leave who reads what alone as well. I don't like listening to most of Fox News because the arguments are weak and made for dumb people. It's propaganda and so doesn't broaden my horizon and wastes my time. It offers 0 value to me. I can get the sum of that by reading a headlineon National Review let alone the article.

What you are doing here is arguing against education/experience. The believe that you can understand something or know something second hand. But what you are doing is understanding that thing from the perspective of the medium you are watching/reading. A friend of mine got her PHD in french literature, spent years in France. Why was that necessary? Why didn't she read the stuff in a book? I find this argument you are making hard to understand.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 10:56pm On Jun 10, 2024

budaatum:
I am insulted by you when you gaslight me. So you cut that shit out and stop accusing me of what I never said!

Again. I am making inferences from what you are saying.
If, you say people can move to other states.
The inference from that is that you believe everyone has that ability(money, time etc) to move. Is that not the proper inference? If not what should I infer from that statement?

budaatum:
Don't you minimise people when you can't even bother to listen to what they have to say?

Me, I minimise the stupid idiot. He is a worthless piece of insignificant shit who isn't even worth listening to or estimating.

I also don't go to a Mental asylum and listen to what they have to say when they are eating pudding do I?
Tell me what should I listen to them about. Christians who tell me to vote for Trump? People talking about law and order while calling felons from Jan. 6, prisoners? Tell me which one of the many inconsistent positions I should be paying attention to?
I read the National Review which is supposed to be the intellectual side of the Conservative Movement if I need an alternate perspective. And that is difficult as well. The conservative ecosphere is a grift peddled to people like Basilico and Bemeruca.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 10:08pm On Jun 10, 2024

Amujale:
All those that would choose rejoice Trump's conviction ought to wake right up and smell that coffee, due to the fact that, this type of violations will be used against anyone, this could might be the beginning of "Lawfare".

What is Lawfare?

Lawfare is said to be the malicious use of legal instruments in way that somewhat guarentees a conviction (in the Manhatten instance, a reversible conviction for the reasons stated earlier as well as other legal arguments that are privy to the legal acaademia and their highly coveted community.) by any and all meams possible.

In other words, 'Lawfare' is said to be the "weaponisation" of a legal system.

Looks like you've been reading a lot of Right Wing Conservative sites. You should diversify your reading.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 10:07pm On Jun 10, 2024

budaatum:
You are either gaslighting or just playing dumb or you really are dumb. I watch them precisely so I know the right wing perspective and to know my enemies so I can conquer them.

Hey, cut this shit out. I'm not insulting you. Cut the shit out.

budaatum:
I suggest you watch them a bit too so you can see how stupid and ignorant and ineffective they are. You might fear them less once you see how lame they are.

They are so ineffective they have you watching them? I cant watch them, it hurts my head to listen to tortured logic. You said you watch Newsmaxx, Infowars, OAN and Fox? Why? If I want to understand conservative thought I read National Review and even that is a struggle for me (tortured logic) and all.

I think when you minimize people, you start underestimating them. That's what Dems did when Republicans were winning local board seats, then state houses, then gerrymandering which lead to more State House seats, and super majoirites which passed ballot restriction efforts. Then to replacing appointing Republican judges like Judge Cannon and finally getting 3 justices appointed when Trump won.

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