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Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by IKC10(m): 4:17pm On Jun 24, 2017

hopefulLandlord:
I'm waiting for the "proof" in your next post...

The part 1 of my post is already out. You can now read it via the link -> https://www.nairaland.com/3880387/proofs-Jesus-Created-The-Universe-Part#57804678
Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Proofs Jesus Created The Universe (part 1) by IKC10(op): 12:11pm On Jun 24, 2017*

Hi, friends! I'm happy that I finally made this article. I am also glad that a friend of mine by name Hopefullandlord and my other Nairaland friends will be seeing this. They want me to prove that Jesus Christ is the creator of the universe. Well, that's not a problem. That's what I will be doing here now. My advice is that my readers should please zero in on my points, and reason logically with me, and take their precious time to read, thanks.
Here, I would be presenting:_{a)Biblical Proofs and
b)Historical proofs (which comes up in part 2 of this article)}
Biblical Proofs
Jesus Christ, you see, wasn't a mere human prophet or person like others who had walked this planet. Why did I say this? He claimed to be more than just a man.This is expressed most clearly in a verse found in John 8:56, where Jesus was having a discussion with the Pharisees. After he claimed that Abraham rejoiced to see his day (something that could only make sense if Jesus existed before and during the life of Abraham), Then He made a self-proclamation that was so mind-boggling that they had wanted to stone Him. Now they wanted to know why Abraham had rejoiced to see His day, knowing that He wasn't even 50 years old. Then, He replied them: "...Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" So, they picked up stones to throw at Him, but he escaped it.(John 8:58-59)
What does “I Am” mean?

“I Am” is one of the names of God in the Old Testament. (Exodus 3:13-14) He claimed to be God and they thought it was blasphemy. (Of course, His audience knew He wasn't joking and that He was clearly claiming equality with God) You look for the reason why they wanted to kill Jesus? This was it. You also want to know why He was eventually crucified? This was it! (John 10:33)
He said he existed before Abraham (which implies divinity), and then further claimed to be the God of the Old Testament specifically. Now, take note of this: The God of the Old Testament is the creator of the universe as revealed in Genesis 1:“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” If the God of the Old Testament created the universe, and the God of the Old Testament called Himself “I Am”, and Jesus claimed to be the “I Am” that existed before Abraham was born, it's a clear proof that Jesus believed Himself to be the creator of the universe, and not what we call the big bang...proof 1
The apostles believed Jesus created the universe. And that's proof 2
John the apostle believed that Jesus created the universe. "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not" (John 1:10) This is also one of the clearest proofs of this John you could ever find in the Bible: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”– John 1:1-3
This powerful statement came from an eyewitness of Jesus' ministry. Apostle Paul also said about this whole thing: “15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Colossians 1:15-17)
In fact, proof 3 is this: “In these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”(Hebrews 1:2)
Proof 4 is that of God in Genesis 1:26 saying,"Let US create..." . Who were the US? Of course Jesus and the Holy Spirit, who were co-equal with Him.
In summary, I could go on and on in giving you proofs that Jesus created the universe till you are tired of reading. And again, space is a major challenge here. But in case you want to surrender your life to this Jesus, your creator, the creator of the universe, and the only true God, do so now by asking Him to come into your life, by a simple prayer: "Dear Jesus, please come into my life and be my personal Lord and and Saviour. I believe You've done so now. Thank You for saving me, amen"
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Big Bang, True Or False? by IKC10(op): 9:30am On Jun 24, 2017

Hmmm

Christianity Etc › Re: Satan’s Church Begins A Healing School by IKC10(m): 7:56am On Jun 24, 2017

biggmouth:
Any bible believing Christian reading this would agree that till eternity do us part, man and Satan will continue to live at variance, at least this is what the Holy Book of the Christians teach, but with times fast changing, economies crashing, it appears that even the dreaded Satan himself is said to have started a healing ministry somewhere in the dark continent, Africa, the question is how possible is this in the first place? Well according to skeptic reports, he wants to deceive many unto his side so that he can have access to their souls and the best way he deemed fit is to masquerade as a healing minister knowing the innumerable number of sick people in dire need of healing in the world, now this alleged unorthodox faith healer according to skeptic reports is in Lagos Nigeria and goes by the Name TB Joshua of the SCOAN. Rumor has it that this healer mysteriously has people shake wildly as he throws and slashes his hands (sometimes using his feet). He is shown countless times healing someone’s buttocks by grabbing his own. He shakes and wobbles his hand toward the recipient, He stands and they stand, he will squat and the person uncontrollably squats … Continue reading: /p1TCRk-8D

You are a Christian, right? Did God ask you to put up this post?

Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by IKC10(m): 7:47am On Jun 24, 2017

chemystery:
I got it! It means this your god is human afterall. He cares about letter cases so much. Maybe he was lying when he said "...my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways". In fact, my ways are superior compared to his 'cause i would care less if my name was written in lowercase letters. Egocentric god i must say.

You have a conscience and you know that my God exists. As for the insults, you can go ahead and insult Him. He still loves you. And this whole thing isn't about letters. He is never referred to as god in my Bible. But He is called God, ok? Please notice this: There is nothing you can say against my God that will ever make Him hate you. But you can do it as long as the earth remains. When this world rolls away, or natural death which happens to everyone visits, then, you will account for your words and face judgement. That's just it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by IKC10(m): 7:46am On Jun 24, 2017

chemystery:
I got it! It means this your god is human afterall. He cares about letter cases so much. Maybe he was lying when he said "...my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways". In fact, my ways are superior compared to his 'cause i would care less if my name was written in lowercase letters. Egocentric god i must say.

You have a conscience and you know that mu God exists. As for the insults, you can go ahead and insult Him. He still loves you. And this whole thing isn't about letters. He is never referred to as god in my Bible. But He is called God, ok? Please notice this: There is nothing you can say against my God that will ever make Him hate you. But you can do it as long as the earth remains. When this world rolls away, or natural death which happens to everyone visits, then, you will account for your words and face judgement. That's just it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by IKC10(m): 1:11am On Jun 24, 2017

chemystery:
And who are the majority? Christians. It means Christians are not following the way of god.
Christ says he is the way. Christianity means christ-like, meaning christians(followers of christ), being the majority, are following the wrong way. The bible didnt mention righteous or unrighteous. It says many and few which can both comprise of both the good and bad, but what matters most is if they are the broad way(Jesus way) or the narrow way (rastafarianism).

You will say christianity is the right way to god, but here the bible dismissed that

We are not following the way of god but the way of God hope you got it now?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by IKC10(m): 12:35am On Jun 24, 2017*

chemystery:
What is fallacy here? Is it that christianity isn't the religion with most adherent or rastafarianism isn't the least?

Isn't the way to christianity broad that you can find a church or place of worship in every nook and crannies of every street in any part of the world?

Isn't the way to christianity so broad that you can't walk out of your street or even put on your TV in the comfort of your home without hearing people preaching or trying to invite you to their church?

Isn't the way to christianity so broad that every Tom, Dick and Harry is erecting even canopies as church with loudspeak positioned in 4 cardinal points to make sure every Tom, Dick and Harry listens and join the broad way to destruction?

Now tell me, is it that easy to join rastafari? Have you seen or heard of their place of worship anywhere in Africa? How many of their members have you seen all your life both in real life and on TV?

The road to christianity is too broad and many are just flocking in. People convert to christianity than any other religion in the world. This is evident from that portion of the bible that rastafarianism and not christianity is likely to be the true religion

Just say that you didn't understand what God was saying there. The majority of people aren't born again, and do not want to follow the way of righteousness. They want to make it quick and now without following God's laws. But few want God's way. That's what the Bible means, ok?

Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by IKC10(m): 11:22pm On Jun 23, 2017

ellagabs:
i kn hw u feel, i was lik u b4 i was saved by grace...
soon u wil confess christ

Yes sir, he will. That's why we need to keep publishing the truth and not relent.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Even The Bible Denied Christianity As The True Religion by IKC10(m): 11:20pm On Jun 23, 2017

chemystery:
According to Matthew 7:13-14

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

From the data below which enlisted all religion and estimated number of adherents, it is evident Christianity is the MANY the bible is talking about while Rastafarianism is the FEW

Fallacy real one at that!

Christianity Etc › Re: "God" Or "Gods?" by IKC10(op): 11:12pm On Jun 23, 2017

LightandDarkness:
Ah the irony

what do you mean sir?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaninglessness Of "I Have A Deep Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" by IKC10(m): 9:48pm On Jun 23, 2017

hopefulLandlord:
IKC10, where's the post you said would prove beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus created the universe?

It's still upcoming. By tonight or tomorrow, you will see it, my dear. Just make sure you will forget about sentiments and zero your mind on it.

Christianity Etc › Re: "God" Or "Gods?" by IKC10(op): 9:44pm On Jun 23, 2017

chalantmike:
hmm Buh yhuve not proven any point, all yhuve been doing is holding on to sentiment, sentiments I expect every average Christian to have.

What sentiments have I shown?

Christianity Etc › Re: For Those That Says Jesus Christ Is NOT God by IKC10(m): 3:15pm On Jun 23, 2017

rollybest:
Here are some arguments to show Jesus is God.
"The Jews answered Him (Jesus), 'For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.' ” (John 10:33 )

Jesus had obviously claimed to be God. So just what had He said to upset His Jewish audience so much?

"I and the Father are one.” ( John 10:30 )

He didn’t say that He was simply like the Father. He said that they were “one.” In verse 36, Jesus makes it clear that He had referred to Himself as the “Son of God.” Logic alone would tell us that the “Son” of God would possess the same deity as the Father. Man begets man. God begets God. The Jews, however, didn’t believe any of His claims. Getting nowhere with them, Jesus then focused their attention on the works that He had done and would continue to do. If He wasn’t God, He reasoned, how could He have performed all those miracles? He supported His claim to be God by saying,

“…that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." (John 10:38 )

During the Last Supper, just after washing the disciples’ feet, Jesus made a bold statement:

“You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.” ( John 13:13 )

The New Testament was originally written in Greek. The Greek word for “Lord” is
Kurios, meaning “God—supreme in authority. Jesus was making the point that they were to follow the example (serving one another) set by God Himself. Later that evening, He reiterated His claim by saying to Philip,
“…He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” ( John 14:9 )

Perhaps the most direct and profound example of Jesus claiming to be God is found at the end of the eighth chapter of John.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” ( John 8:58 )

This may seem like a confusing answer, but the Jews knew exactly what He was claiming. By using the term “I am,” He was making Himself out to be Yahweh (God) of the Old Testament. We know that the Jews understood His claim, since verse 59 tells us that they wanted to stone Him. He was claiming to have existed not only before Abraham, but eternally. We find the name “I AM” first used when God called Moses to lead the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt. Not being crazy about the whole idea, Moses started making excuses. If he told the “sons of Israel” that the God of their fathers had sent him to them, what should he say if they asked, “What is His name?”

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

Here, God, in giving this name, gives the essential meaning of Yahweh— I am the One who is. By referring to Himself with the same name, Jesus is unmistakably claiming to be God. Anyone who argues that Jesus never made such a claim simply hasn’t bothered to search the Scriptures for themselves.

It's well with you, brother!

Christianity Etc › Re: "God" Or "Gods?" by IKC10(op): 2:55pm On Jun 23, 2017

chalantmike:
remove yhur sentiment from religion, every religion want to claim its the true religion and they serve the true God, when even there messengers have identified other Gods, equally worthy of worship and emulation.

If you were referring to me sir, then you need to understand that I can prove my points without using the Holy Bible or anything related to what you call religion

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 2:07pm On Jun 23, 2017

Hier:
We are created to serve God just as a broom is designed to sweep, it was the natural nature of man, its sin that brought about man seeking for desires outside God. The consequence of Adams sin was that everyone who comes to earth, naturally goes to hell, its automatic. We ought to be grateful God sent Jesus so we can escape hell which every man is subjected to...

God bless you sir.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 1:59pm On Jun 23, 2017

Tearless:
Sir, your post is so devoid of logic.

My post is not devoid of logic. It's only devoid of lies. Even atheist historians prove that Jesus walked this earth and that He died on the Cross for the whole world, leading them to God, like I said.

Tearless:
I'm clueless as to how to address it.

What I required you to do is very simple. I don't see anything that makes it hard, dear. Since you refuted what I said about Jesus Christ, tell me who else, or any other deity who came to die for its people, just to save them So, is that what is hard, friend?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 1:56pm On Jun 23, 2017

Hmmmmm...

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 11:41am On Jun 23, 2017

Tearless:
... opens his mouth, with his white beard stained with red spots floating in the air, to tell you the spinal cord-crushing, rib-breaking, anus-sealing, skull-drilling, heart-piercing and brain-melting lie that he has INFINITE LOVE for you.

Friend, it's no lie that God loves you. He demonstrated it by coming in the form of a man(Jesus) and died on the cross to save you and I, and the whole world. You can't tell me of any deity who did that, can you? No!

Tearless:
How did you manage to come around believing that kind of sh!t? I'll never manage to muster the courage to take such an Insane LEAP OF FAITH.

It's no sh!t to believe that the God behind creation loves me inexplicably. He is the reason I am alive. He is the ONLY TRUE GOD--JESUS CHRIST. And you know that!

Tearless:
Cc. JackBizzle sonofluc1fer hopefuLanlord randomperson dalaman frank317

I know hopefullandlord he or the others mentioned can come here and give their points. In fact, I told him I was going to make this article. Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 11:38am On Jun 23, 2017

Tearless:
... opens his mouth, with his white beard stained with red spots floating in the air, to tell you the spinal cord-crushing, rib-breaking, anus-sealing, skull-drilling, heart-piercing and brain-melting lie that he has INFINITE LOVE for you.

Tearless:
How did you manage to come around believing that kind of sh!t? I'll never manage to muster the courage to take such an Insane LEAP OF FAITH.

It's no shit to believe that the God behind creation loves me inexplicably. He is the reason I am alive. He is the ONLY TRUE GOD--JESUS CHRIST. And you know that!

Tearless:
Cc. JackBizzle sonofluc1fer hopefuLanlord randomperson dalaman frank317

I know hopefullandlord he or the others mentioned can come here and give their points. In fact, I told him I was going to make this article. Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 11:36am On Jun 23, 2017*

Tearless:
Cc. JackBizzle sonofluc1fer hopefuLanlord randomperson dalaman frank317

I know hopefullandlord he or the others mentioned can come here and give their points. In fact, I told him I was going to make this article. Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 11:35am On Jun 23, 2017*

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 11:33am On Jun 23, 2017

Tearless:
... opens his mouth, with his white beard stained with red spots floating in the air, to tell you the spinal cord-crushing, rib-breaking, anus-sealing, skull-drilling, heart-piercing and brain-melting lie that he has INFINITE LOVE for you.

Tearless:
How did you manage to come around believing that kind of sh!t? I'll never manage to muster the courage to take such an Insane LEAP OF FAITH.
It's no shit to believe that the God behind creation loves me inexplicably. He is the reason I am alive. He is the ONLY TRUE GOD--JESUS CHRIST. And you know that!

Tearless:
Cc. JackBizzle sonofluc1fer hopefuLanlord randomperson dalaman frank317
I know hopefullandlord he or the others mentioned can come here and give their points. In fact, I told him I was going to make this article. Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Heard The Bang? by IKC10(op): 11:30am On Jun 23, 2017*

Christianity Etc › Re: "God" Or "Gods?" by IKC10(op): 11:04am On Jun 23, 2017

... Christianity is the path yhu chose to trend,to yhu Christ is the way,the way yhur familiar with, the authorized and legal way,because yhu are bond to the laws of Christianity.
doesn't mean that there are no other ways to get to God.

Friend, let me tell you, there can't be more than one way to God. Someone before Jesus came, could act as God's representative, bring His words to humanity, I.e, revealing Him, but never being the Way. None of these people ever claimed to be a way or the way. Only Jesus Christ ever said that. Read His own word: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

Christianity Etc › Re: Dear Christians, Doesn't The Front Page Prove The Atheists Point? by IKC10(m): 10:12am On Jun 23, 2017

sonofluc1fer:
You can not understand Islam from the outside.

I wasn't talking about Islam.

That's your religion,

and I don't disrespect you. But all I'm just saying is that Jesus loves you, and he is the only Way

Christianity Etc › Re: Dear Christians, Doesn't The Front Page Prove The Atheists Point? by IKC10(m): 10:11am On Jun 23, 2017

sonofluc1fer:
You can not understand Islam from the outside.

I wasn't talking about Islam. [quote]That's your religion, [/quot] and I don't disrespect you. But all I'm just saying is that Jesus loves you, and he is the only Way

Christianity Etc › Re: Dear Christians, Doesn't The Front Page Prove The Atheists Point? by IKC10(m): 9:36am On Jun 23, 2017

JackBizzle:
1. Evans the kidnapper praises God and is a strong Christian. Many criminals do thanksgiving in churches.

2. People kneeling down in US airport for Apostle Sulieman

3. Corrupt politicians acting holy and praying at pilgrimage in Mecca.

4. Pastors being caught left and right in sex scandals.

Is there really a God and isn't religion a bunch of lies used by hypocrites to cover up?

Kingebukasblog, how far? Cc felixomor

There can't be a fake, if there were no original.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dear Christians, Doesn't The Front Page Prove The Atheists Point? by IKC10(m): 9:33am On Jun 23, 2017

frank317:
Christians spend their lives believing in a useless God and spend the rest of their lives working hard Makin ends meet and feeding their believes with their own effort. Yes they only make God relevant by attributing their success to him rather than their effort...

Let me tell you brother, you cannot understand Christianity from the outside. You only can, when you come inside first. Or do you get to see what is in a building from the outside? Think about it.

Christianity Etc › Re: For Those That Says Jesus Christ Is NOT God by IKC10(m): 9:06am On Jun 23, 2017

Peacefullove:
Just keep in mind that you are the one reading nonsense into the texts, 90% or if not all of those who write the Christian bible from Genesis to the last book are JEWS, and the JEWS dont believe in such thing as trinity or Jesus being Supreme.

What are you actually saying, please? I hope you know that the Bible was written by about 40 different people at different places by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Who doesn't believe in the trinity? Mathew or Mark, or Luke or John or Paul or Isaiah, Moses, Ezekiel? Who, brother? Tell me please o. Let's be sure of what we say before we say it. Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Big Bang, True Or False? by IKC10(op): 7:51am On Jun 23, 2017

rickyponting504:
taking a keen look at creation you will notice everything created has designs and setting of which they are been fashioned to be.. God created the universe

God bless you my dear.

Christianity Etc › Re: For Those That Says Jesus Christ Is NOT God by IKC10(m): 2:09am On Jun 23, 2017

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