₦airaland Forum

Enough is enough

papyjaypaul:
Sometimes I think it's deliberate. They know they can influence him and he's not the best of the youth to raise their consciousness but they give false attention and interest.

It's how they raise the opinion of black athletes, entertainers and actors above black intellectuals. They know the intellectuals can influence the minds if they promote their ideas, so they prefer the entertainers they can use to mislead the people. Awakening consciousness is liberation.

i strongly agree with you.

blacksam01:
But God's promises of a good life is not only about the heavens... Earth is supposed to b including, but here on earth, even with Gods love, words and righteousness, we still suffer so much

Those promises are very conditional and dependent on many factors. For example, your breakthrough in health or finance may take a while, due to different factors like seedtime or test or spiritual hindrance or some other things. But forgiveness and going to be with God are quite straightforward. His priority is to save people from sin, others are additional. In fact, most of the addtions tend to lead humans back to sin or farther from God.

Rev 21:4 KJV And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

blacksam01:
... this I don't understand, why does God allow us to suffer evening when you are serving him.. ND trust in him completely...

Why do we suffer at all..?

Because man fell from the place of dominion in Genesis 3. God's priority is to save man from sin, not suffering. You may suffer and go to heaven, but you can't sin and go to heaven.
Suffering on earth is small and negligible compared to an eternity without God.

Stop making empty people popular.

Obi said more to APGA, they never knew he is the lamba crooner uncle of lies.

CodeTemplarr:
Do they lack employement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwjVwjA0P8?si=94bC02pvsvKQfPPS

CodeTemplarr:
Babalawo or doctors?

Do you remember recently when PBAT employed ALL graduate doctors at an event? One from each 774 local governments in Nigeria?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwjVwjA0P8?si=94bC02pvsvKQfPPS

Secure the bag, PATE. Pate is doing very well in health.

2 2, draw

Miscalculation

1980s things, you can't make a doctrine of that. i am also sure he is not asking everyone to do that. He spent pound for his second wedding after the first wife died, and he spent dollar for his son's wedding. i wonder the pointless point being made here.

Sinking and digging further. Most of our MOGs are not spiritual and humble enough to say and see that they are/were wrong. How can Jesus hate the poor when God so loved the world and Jesus was always about giving to the poor? The early church was filled with poor saints but these money changers that have made God's house a house of merchandise think otherwise. Na you know wetin you dey follow.

Rom 15:26 KJV For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

Jas 2:5 KJV Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Luk 4:18 KJV The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 6:20 KJV And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

So what killed your senior prophet TB Joshua? 88 year old man died, you're still using him to agend. No be you see name of our president inside Bible when you miscalculated that Pit Obi will win election? Repent and stop lying sir, you were wrong on this.

jaxxy:
U better accept ur failure and stop this useless and baseless explanation.

Our debts were better during subsidy than after subsidy.

Subsidy is not a crime in economic planning and used by alot of governments where necessary.

The idiotic government removed subsidy and devalued the naira at same time know u have the most unproductive economy since independence and u are talking and comparing rubbish?

Dangote Cement Refinery Sugar etc, Airtel Africa, BUA etc, MTN Nigeria, Seplat Energy, Geregu Power, Guaranty Trust Holding Company (GTCO), Zenith Bank, Transcorp Hotels, Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC), NLNG, NPDC, Flour Mills, Nigeria Breweries, Nestle are easily over 90% of our economy. Tell this bunkum to them. Lafarge just made over 700%, not 70%. Over 700% profit in the first quarter of 2025 in this Nigeria.

Emusan:
What you said had no correlation with the OP, you pulled that just to divert attention from the OP.

Even at that, the part of your statement where you tried to show that $803 * N1550 = N1.2m shows you're out of reality.

because the data provided shows how valuable the Naira was under successful government as all GDP per capital is higher than Naira but it's only under Tinubu that Dollar was far higher than GDP per capital.

And this is evident in the market today.

So why do you like defending what is obvious?

Okay, so what I said is true but has no correlation with the OP, I see. My bad. i don't understand what defending the obvious means though, seems great. Are you aware that we had fuel subsidies removed and a currency float?

Trustyourself:
In your state of naivety, you fail to have this little understanding that GDP per capita income is one of the quantitative indicators of economic development. Hence the need to ensure that the figures maintain a steady rise especially in a bastardized economy like yours. Any country with GDP per capita income that is below $4,000 is in a horrible condition, not to talk of yours that is below $1,000 and you are here displaying how daft you are both in critical thinking and common sense.

Common sense should have let you know that heart-breaking economic conditions of this nature are not worth defending irrespective of your disposition or inclination with anyone (whether in or out of power).

Lolz, I did not defend the economy but gave you what should otherwise be an obvious perspective. Bandying GDP figures around without remembering our situation is ignorant if not mischievous. There was a removal of subsidies, the biggest factor in the whole equation. Would you rather have a better GDP and debt like Argentina? 646.08 billion US dollars GDP, $14,362 (nominal) or $31,380 (PPP) with over $500 billion debt, you prefer that?
You prefer 2014 when over two thirds of Nigerian states could not pay ordinary salaries and the coordinating minister of the economy was having headaches on national TV? When PMB was handing bail outs to states with nice GDP?
We should somehow leave out the Oil prices that peaked (100+/barrel), the oil crash in 2015, the Recession in 2016, COVID-19 lockdowns, oil prices collapsed ($20/barrel) in 2020? We should leave out Russia-Ukraine war that spiked inflation globally in 2022, and the Subsidy removal + Naira float that every candidate promised and all analysts have been asking for for years until it was implemented in 2023? We should wish all these away and expect a steady rise? You must be living in Saturn or something.

Agbegbaorogboye:
You really think Nigeria does not earn or spend in dollars? Really, I think you need to stop typing.

The phone you're using to type this was it priced in dollars or naira?

How about the oil revenue from which you get paid? Is it sold in naira?

If you adjust for inflation between 2015 and 2023 you will see that we're earning far less in naira. That's the area you want to overlook. Another illiterate defending government like you brought out nominal GDP figures and real GDP without seeing the disparity between the two which showed how badly your masters have destroyed the economy. Imagine a depreciation of over 1000% between real and nominal GDP in naira!!

You guys should stop defending nonsense abeg

Are you paid in dollars or naira?

Emusan:
What sentence(s)?

The sentence(s) that is a lie in what i said.

Agbegbaorogboye:
So what is the reality of the Nigerian business environment? Are businesses booming or struggling?

You need to stop advertising your ignorance because you want to defend govt. The dollar is not just a simple metric for comparison. That's the daftest statement I've heard anyone made on an economic thread. The dollar is the global trade currency and the global store of value. So the value of whatever you trade or store with the rest of the world is measured in dollars.

No one is comparing the dollar with naira on this thread except you. It is the same Nigerian economy that is being compared in given periods. You simply decided to rant and go totally berserk because the figures do not look good with your bias.

Same folks who screamed blue murder at N218 to $1 are today telling us there's no business of Nigeria with dollars

Bloody illiterate liars

Dangote Cement Refinery Sugar etc, Airtel Africa, BUA etc, MTN Nigeria, Seplat Energy, Geregu Power, Guaranty Trust Holding Company (GTCO), Zenith Bank, Transcorp Hotels, Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC), NLNG, NPDC, Flour Mills, Nigeria Breweries, Nestle are easily over 90% of our economy. Are these struggling or in any loss? Companies making a 62.16% increase in revenue, making over 700% profits? BTW, GDP is not trade or storage SMH. If you are comparing Nigeria with Nigeria, why are you afraid to use naira? Nothing is wrong with the figures, it was much expected and calculated. What is given is perspective which you evidently struggle not to have.

jaxxy:
The calculations u did there showd u are clueless. Do Nigerians earn in dollars or naira? Gdp at 1.2m Naira isn't better than GDP at 820k Naira.

The economy has lost its purchasing power and value. It is beyond an economic disaster.

Do you even know the meaning of subsidy at all? Nobody expected the purchasing power to immediately increase after subsidy removals, duh. Your life was being subsidized at the detriment and death of the country, every sane and educated person knew that subsidies had to go and that it will affect things. Do you have the same purchasing power when you lose your juicy job? The government was subsidizing the exchange for virtually everything that we import, aside from fuel subsidy. Do you really expect things to immediately remain the same or better? You have to be quite dull to expect that.
That is why I showed you the clear comparison instead of just throwing silly GDP figures. We were in crazy debts with better GDP. Today Argentina is in over $500 billion debts and looking for bail outs every other quarter. They have a better GDP than Nigeria, you can apply for visa there if you think it's better.

Offpoint1:
Month don end, screenshot and send to your group for your 30k stipend

You've got to be extremely slow to believe what you say.

tctrills:
What about the thousands of companies recording loses or even folding up. Only a few companies are doing well compared to those struggling. So it's unfair to base your argument on the few.

Thousands you say? Kindly mention 500 of them and proof that they were doing well in 2014. Dangote, Lafarge are a few companies ba.

Nazareth10:
You are calculating in Naira. The global standard is USD. Can you please convert the bogus profits and revenue to USD and see for yourself.

Businesses are making over 700% screaming profit and you're asking me for dollars. Is it dollars they used to calculate profits or selling price and cost price? Would you like to make even 100% profit or salary raise or you would rather whine about USD?
The dollar is a simple metric for comparison. It doesn't erase the realities. It's not a football league played in US that we have to win.

Trustyourself:
Can you see how naive and deceptive you are?

Why multiplying per capita income which is valued in US$ with the same US$ rate?

It's so glaring in your ugly face that the economy is in a terrible state and yet you are at one corner typing nonsense to deceive your gullible humans.

Just because of the little hand-out party agents are giving you, your conscience disappeared.

Because my conscience clearly knows that we're not earning or spending in dollars, dollars is just a global regulating unit. Per capita income means the average amount of money each person earns in a country or area in a year, that is if divided equal by population.
In 2015, we were about 190million. Today, we're over 230million people. If you know a little bit of arithmetic, you will see that we're earning far more in naira. The very fact that your brains can't process past being paid to see reality is why you can't see clearly and smell the coffee. It gladdens the people in power that you'd repeat and rinse in 2027.

Emusan:
The TRUTH!

But you have the truth you're doing something against.

Is the data stated by OP not the truth?

Is Nigeria doing well economically presently?

Are more people not being pushed into poverty by available data?

You forgot to show me the sentence(s).

Smartcitizen:
Shameless people,

Suffering and pretending lifestyle,

Curse Tinubu inside the house and defend him outside.

Bloody people with hypocrisy in their DNA.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

i know that feeling when the truth slaps you hard in the face, little wonder it's called bitter truth. Ask Lafarge and Lagos hotel to stop pretending. Ask the state governors too.

Emusan:
Just see the way you're defending this government.

Just see the envy. Stay in the lane God put you dear. We can't do anything against the truth.
You are free to state which of my statement or sentences is a lie.

Nazareth10:
You are calculating in Naira. The global standard is USD. Can you please convert the bogus profits and revenue to USD and see for yourself.

Clearly more than their previous losses, you don't need to be a genius to know profits.

No be only GDP, na PDP. Argentina is doing better GDP and owing about $500billion. IMF recently bailed them with debt of $20billion. NOI was having headache and struggling to pay salary with some useless GDP badge in office. States were borrowing heavily and unable to pay salaries that Buhari had to bail them a couple of times.
Today, companies are recording armed robber profits, states are getting more than double, reducing debts and not borrowing to do projects and "steal", and someone wants to be cursed with GDP.

Fun fact.
$1640 X 500= 820,000naira. Dollar was less than 500 before subsidy removal but let's be very nice.
$807 X 1500 =1,210,500 naira. Dollar is said to be 1,600 but let's be generous.
Na you know why you agree for gaslight. Better convert to CNG.

The pit himself, never stopped digging lies.

i think i like this PDP chairman. He didn't respond like a thug.