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obedience4:
Iron dome and David sling are indigenous systems made by the Jews, are they not Jewish batteries??.

Will they only work if operated by Jews and for Jews alone? If not, then they're not...what they are is israeli and not all Israelis are jews, so don't conflate the two

In the same way, a product made in China is Chinese, in America, American etc. regardless of who uses it or where it's used

obedience4:
Batteries as in Jewish air defences.

air defense systems are also called batteries.

It's the way you wrote it

obedience4:
Didn't failed, the volume of the missiles was way too much to be intercepted in transit, Jack sullivan the white House security adviser just now said over 200 ballistic were fired by Iran, you can't simply intercept such high volumes of missiles In transit some are always likely to reach Israeli airspace and the Jewish batteries did a fantastic job, no casualties report as of yet as reported by Mr Jack sulivan and the IDF.

Jewish batteries? the batteries self be Jews?

If Biden truly wants a ceasefire, then he's the weakest US President in a long time, because he had claimed that Israel had agreed to ceasefires, only for netanyahu to make a complete fool of him thereafter

All that needs to happen for a ceasefire to be in effect is for the US to withhold arms shipments. The US has the real leverage to force netanyahu's hand into accepting a ceasefire, but they've refused to do so

Unless there's a ceasefire, Israel will continue to escalate, because the ultra-zionists in government want to use the October 7 excuse to carve out 'greater israel', so it's really up to the US and Israelis

As for this latest Iran attack, if nothing, it demonstrates Iran's ability to hurt Israel, which can devastate the country if it gets to that

The truth is Israel has relied on the US and West's slavish support to exercise impunity in the region, but the era of Western complete superiority is fast eroding and it'll be up to Israel to decide whether they want to be a part of the region by being respectful of its neighbours, or it wants to be a bully, which will not bode well for it

Everybody wants a respectful peace, but SI VIS PACEM PARABELLUM

okeysoninv:
waist of time, talking with you

How now? Jews don't accept Jesus, that's a fact, so what is their fate?

Don't run Pastor

okeysoninv:
for all who believes. Not for Mohammed the devil inspired fake blood sucker

But Jews reject Jesus now, so how far them?

okeysoninv:
which GOD? YOUR ALLAH IS NOT A GOD.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob nko? Is He not the God of all? Abi is He only for Jews?

obedience4:
May The God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob protect his children as they conduct this operation. May he cause a swift victory for the IDF. Amen

Isn't it one God for all? Abi devil dey create?

seunny4lif:
Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Kanani: We are open to a responsible and purposeful return of all parties to the JCPOA (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action to resolve the situation around the Iranian nuclear program)

Yes, you read right, so called Iran new government.
This is the same country that wanted to be regional powerful country.
No wonder Isreal government can’t take them seriously.
Iran government are confused

The difference between Russians and Iranians, is clear like day light.
Georgia and Syria war shows that Russia can do whatever USA(NATO) can do without consequences.
Minsk accords was huge mistakes that Russia signed because it is like betrayal of Donbass people and even Istanbul peace was almost looked the same until the prayers of Donbass region was answer and Boris(NATO) jeopardised it .
Now not only is Ukraine going to lose all those regions, they are losing men too.

Well, those are just my options, because what do I know, because if am Nigeria president and Benin rep starts killing Yoruba people over there, I will wipe Benin rep out of the world

When Israel killed Haniyeh, Hamas appointed Sinwar as overall head

That's how you deal with wild dogs, you don't back down

Vl3ly:
During a complex ambush, the Qassam fighters managed to destroy two Zionist personnel carriers and target a Merkava tank and two D9 military bulldozers with explosive devices and Al-Yassin 105 shells, and inflicted casualties on the Zionist vehicle crews in the Al-Fakhari area east of Khan Yunis city in the southern #Gaza Strip. Our fighters monitored the landing of helicopters for evacuation.

Brother! Hamas has been defeated...stop posting fake news

WritterNg:
⚡Israel will launch a "limited" ground incursion into South Lebanon. Incursion is imminent. Will be smaller in scale than in 2006 and last a shorter period of time — Fox

This would confirm my earlier assessment

usmanpogo:
This is what I'm worried about, they're setting a bad precedence for other countries.

The Nigerian army can claim Niger and Chad are housing terrorists and they can use this motives to occupy those countries.

Another good example

The Congo government (DRC) can invade Rwanda and Uganda because the government provide refuge for the militia movement M23.

The world would be a mess, excuse my language but that's the direction we are heading to using this precedence.

International Law doesn't exist, what exists is MIGHT IS RIGHT

LordAdam16:
Practice makes perfect.
Palestine is one of the most surveilled patch of earth on the planet.
Its leaders used to be swatted like flies and they had to learn the hard way.

Iran and Hezbollah had gotten complacent.
Hezbollah especially focused more on posturing as a defacto state within a state without paying grave attention to the security complications that emerged from becoming more public-facing.
The next crop of leaders will be more fastidious.

-Lord

Apt

The only Ls that Hamas has suffered were on the territories of Iran with Haniyeh and Lebanon with Saleh al-Arouri. This was an overlooked preliminary indication of infiltration by israel in Iran and Hezbullah ranks

The aforesaid Haniyeh had previously stayed in Turkey and Qatar for long periods without incident. Turkey had actually taken down an assassination squad setup to kill Hamas members there

Now in just a few days, Hezbullah has been severely decapitated through just airstrikes, something israel has failed in, in the tiny Gaza strip. Yahya Sinwar, Muhammad deif and the leaders of the factions in Gaza are all alive and well, despite israel's flattening of the strip

Hezbullah has been deeply compromised, along with Iran. Who would have thought that Hamas would be more of a headache to israel than Hezbullah

It's left to be seen what plays out from here, but so far, brand Iran has taken a big big hit and they MUST do something significant, or else they'll be just another helpless Middle Eastern country

The evidence currently suggests that the Palestinian Resistance factions are the only effective fighting force among those battling the israelis

Iran and Hezbullah have a lot of cleaning up to do

Lawag3:
A blockade isn't a occupation.


Until 2005, more than 9,000 Israeli settlers were illegally residing in Gaza.
That's from one of your link. GAZA was basically freed until hamas gain power. That's when israel imposed a blockade on a terrorist group that is main goal is the destruction of Israel.


(1) the relatively small size of Gaza in connection with the technological superiority of the Israeli air force allows Israeli boots to be present in Gaza within a reasonable response time; (2) Hamas's authority and armed resistance do not impede the status of occupation; (3) the long pre-disengagement occupation and close proximity between Israel and Gaza (geography) allow for the remote exercise of effective control; and (4) all imports, exports in and out of Gaza, and any movement of persons are fully controlled and regulated by Israel
That's the reason your Cambridge link says Gaza is occupied.


(1) the relatively small size of Cuba in connection with the technological superiority of the American air force allows American boots to be present in Cuba within a reasonable response time.

So Cuba is occupied because America is stronger?

(2) Hamas's authority and armed resistance do not impede the status of occupation;

How doest it? They were voted by gazans control everything that has entered Gaza make laws for Gaza one of you lots said that if not for Hamas Gaza will be the west bank.

(3) the long pre-disengagement occupation and close proximity between Israel and Gaza (geography) allow for the remote exercise of effective control; and


Eh that's a blockade and a blockade isn't an occupation.


(4) all imports, exports in and out of Gaza, and any movement of persons are fully controlled and regulated by Israel


This is just number 3 repeated again. A blockade isn't an occupation.

The Red Cross doesn't have a say in this. During the holocaust they deny it happened https://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/us/red-cross-admits-knowing-of-the-holocaust-during-the-war.html

The links i shared out of the many others i could have added, literally gave tons of reasons why Gaza is under occupation, despite the so-called withdrawal

Let's agree to disagree 🤝

Simeonjoe1:
You talk of the war in Gaza as if Isreal is bugged down like Russia in Ukraine.
There's no meaningful resistance in Gaza, any clog on the Gaza offensive is because of the consideration for civilian casualties and not hamas militant. True they'll be schemish and sneaks attack here and there but that's all there is.
No matter how superiorly numerical you are, in personnel and equipment, ground offensive also comes with its own challenges. This I believe Isreal will encounter in Lebanon, the deeper they thrust the more challenging it becomes.
The greatest challenge will be from within, from the grandeurs politics at play, it's internal military miring and with a little Hezbolla resistance.
Wars are not won on the battlefield... Sun Tzu

Consideration of civilian casualties? Really? I don't even think that deserves an answer honestly

The israelis aren't bogged down, i agree because they can withdraw at anytime and end this thing, but they've refused all suggestions of it. They've put themselves in a hole currently by setting for themselves unachievable goals like "destroying Hamas" and "militarily rescuing all captives".


It must be pointed out though, that those responsible for prolonging the war are netanyahu and the right wing coalition members, the military representatives together with gantz have expressed an opennesss to negotiating an end to the war and returning the captives

It's left to be seen the extent to which the current israeli government coalition of doomsdayists will be allowed to overstretch its hands, to the endangerment of the region and their people

Lawag3:
Firstly Gaza wasn't under a siege until November of last year that's when the siege of Gaza began. The Gaza strip was under a blockade a blockade is not an occupation. The blockade was more like a security check point to check what and who enters Gaza and you forget about 10k Palestinians cross from Gaza to work in Israel. So your point of a siege is dead on arrival
But did the hamas combatants killed Jews on occupied lands abi in Jewish lands thats the question. And did they kill combatants or civillian. The UN calls it a terror attack .


What lies has hagari spoken before?


The day Israel declares victory you lots will still doubt it.

As for Gaza's status as an occupied territory, educate yourself

https://www.icrc.org/en/document/ihl-occupying-power-responsibilities-occupied-palestinian-territories

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-and-comparative-law-quarterly/article/status-of-gaza-as-occupied-territory-under-international-law/654DB8FE844ED96C47AAA3B213D438F0

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

As for hagari's lies, the Al-Shifa hoax and the elevator shaft deception are enough to write him off completely

Lawag3:
Well Israel holds the Philadelphi corridors and and many others has destroyed a large network of tunnles

Many of you are asking for an update on Gaza.

Two operational divisions are still present in the area. Dozens of terrorists are being eliminated daily. Hamas is no longer functioning as a military organization; they have now devolved into guerrilla groups with hardly any rockets left, and most of their command and control capabilities are gone.

Yehiya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, has been out of contact for many weeks, leading to speculation that he is either injured or dead.

We are continuing to search for more terrorists to eliminate and abductees to rescue.

If you’re wondering why Hamas has run out of supplies, it’s because we have taken control of their primary supply route—the Rafah area, including both the above-ground crossing and the tunnels beneath the Philadelphi Corridor.

Rafah was the key, which is why there was immense international pressure on us not to enter the area.

That's from a prominent Jew. The IDF spokes man said the same thing also


The UN itself describe October 7th a terrorist attack because the part of Israel Hamas attacked isn't occupied territories and is within the part of Israel that was partition for Israel. So no Hamas is the aggressor.

Who's the prominent jew? And the idf spokesperson?

The same hagari that has been caught in lies before?

Look, let's wait till israel declares victory and it's beyond doubt, before we affirm any such claims

The siege placed upon Gaza by israel, definitively means Gaza is occupied by israel under International Law. The attack emanated from an occupied territory, by an occupied people, against their occupier

I saw an interview with a high ranking Hamas representative recently and he said they're not in a hurry for a ceasefire and they'll not budge from their positions or their conditions for a ceasefire.....this doesn't sound like a defeated group or one on the verge of defeat

A while back, I watched a documentary on Hamas and israel in which a former mossad head praised Hamas' counter-intelligence efforts against israel

The mossad head said that they used to have so much success in the past against Hamas, but now they faced difficulties due to Hamas upping its game. This shows that Hamas is well versed at countering israel's spying against it, evidenced by its regular dismantling of israeli spy networks, through identifying and execution of collaborators

That's probably why they were successful with the October 7 attacks and they've successfully outsmarted israel on this captives issue. It also explains why israle's intelligence on Hamas' number, weapons stockpiles, tunnel networks etc. are hazy. I refer to Hamas along with all the other armed factions in Gaza

Now to compare this with Iran and Hezbullah, their counter-intelligence against israel seems weak. This is understandable, because the focus of their intelligence efforts have been against Sunni countries in the region and America. This is evidenced by the primary conflicts they've busied themselves with recently, such as, Yemen, Syria, Iraq etc

This has made them open to israel's infiltration which apparently has happened and has made them exposed to hits by the israelis

Iran has started cleaning house it seems and they need to recenter their focus back to israel if they want to be effective on that front. They can gain from Hamas' experience, counter-intelligence tactics that'll help them

The reality is that unless israel's foes put aside their differences and work together for their mutual interests, America will continue to divide them and play them against each other all for israel's gain


As a sidenote:

Jubilating over the killings of leaders of quasi-military groups like Hamas and Hezbullah is stupid and that's because, groups like them are deliberately setup to withstand and adapt to rapid changes in leadership

The only time the death of any leader will be a big blow is if that leader is extra-ordinarily competent, otherwise, it'll simply be like pinball

This is true of Hamas which has had so many of its leaders killed and yet has grown ever stronger overtime

The only real success is the severe degradation of such groups, which usually only happens with active collaboration of locals and this necessitates the erosion of the popularity of such groups

Lawag3:
Firstly Israel has said even if the war in Gaza stops they will make sure they push Hezbollah behind the litany river. Because you can not just start attacking Israel beginning from OCT 8 for almost a year then expect Israel not to do anything about it and for the war to end on your terms. They attack in solidarity with Gaza they have sacrificed their generals for an already defeated Gaza.


When was the last time a rocket flew out of Gaza? Nasrallah is presumably dead and nothing from Hamas or have they abandoned Hezbollah or they have forgotten how to make missle with sugar and water pipes

Hamas has been defeated.

They are victims because they were attacked and forced to defend themselves.


Being strong doest automatically makes you the aggressor.


It's like saying Russia is the aggressor in its war against Ukraine just because it's stronge.

As for invading Lebanon, time will tell

As for defeating Hamas, how have they done so? Have they degraded Hamas' fighting capabilities? If so, to what extent? Have they significantly killed off their fighters? If so, what's the estimated number? Have they completely secured any part of Gaza i.e. completely taken it over? Have they destroyed the tunnels? Have they recovered the captives? I could go on and on about this.

FYI, israel had very clear aims when going into Gaza. as of today, they've not announced the achievement of any of those goals

You seem to be using the launching of rockets as proof of Hamas' defeat. The reality is that since the beginning of the war, Hamas' and the other factions' volley of rockets significantly reduced and they shifted focus to guerrilla warfare, i.e. ground combat and maneuvers. What if i told you that just recently i saw a video of Hamas and Islamic Jihad firing rockets from Gaza into israel but it went underreported because the focus was on Hezbullah and Lebanon

Let me advice you, stop being desperate about Hamas' defeat, at least wait till israel officially says so and it's verified before you insist on it. I mentioned verified because the israelis have claimed many things before which turned out bogus, like their claim of being in control of Northern Gaza, only for it to be debunked to their utter humiliation

israle is an occupying power according to International Law and according to said International Law, the occupier is never the victim

Lawag3:
Well said.


Israel won't be fighting a two front war why do you think it's attacking Hezbollah now? Because Israel considers Hamas defeated.


Israel isn't scared of a confrontation with Hezbollah backed by Iran . That may be because of the us backing. But I believe the US isn't going to put boots on ground to defend Israel.

israel has been attacking Hezbullah since the beginning, it has simply ramped it up

Hezbullah has said if the fighting in Gaza stops, it'll stop. It then goes that if israel has defeated Hamas, the fighting in Gaza will stop and Hezbullah will have no reason to continue as there'll be no need for ramping up the airstrikes. israel has intensified the bombings because Gaza is nowhere near being conquered and they know Hamas will not be defeated anytime soon, which'll mean the israelis of the north will remain displaced for the foreseeable future, with no set time for their return

The airstrikes and targeted assassinations are intended to pressure Hezbullah into backing down unconditionally, while threatening a ground invasion which they're clearly stalling on

netanyahu is in a bind, if a ceasefire in Gaza is reached, then the tit-for-tat with Hezbullah ends, but they remain in their positions a stone's throw away from northern israel. If Hezbullah ceases fire in keeping with a Gaza ceasefire, israel will have no valid reason for a ground invasion of Lebanon, the doing of which will be unpopular with all their allies

That's why they have to ramp up the pressure on Hezbullah with the battles of Gaza raging, otherwise Hezbullah will have a vantage position

Even if israel goes into Lebanon alone without US direct support, it'll be for a very limited time and they're very aware that won't be enough to achieve their aim of pushing Hezbullah back beyond the Litani river, so it'll be costly and futile

All evidence points to Hamas being alive and well in Gaza, yet you somehow see a different picture

Final point: israel being a world power and arguably the most powerful country in the region, disqualifies them being painted as victims as you're wont to do. They were victims during the holocaust because they were weak, today, they're far from weak, so this engrained victimhood won't fly

Lawag3:
When did I insult you.


If I did I'm sorry it was stupid of me to do that. I don't remember though.

No wahala man

As for your previous comment, from netanyahu's UN speech, there's clearly someway to go

If we're to take him by his word, he'll keep on pushing the needle to the tipping point, but you should realise one thing, netanyahu banks on the US coming to their aid in an expanded war

In the case of a full war with Hezbullah, Iran will assist against israel. Note, they won't be directly involved though

israel can't sustain two fronts against Gaza and Lebanon on its own. I'm not talking airstrikes, i mean full invasions and the US has threatened, by deploying aircraft carriers as a deterrence, which has emboldened israel

As for Iran, they're trying to maintain a power balance in its competition with the sunni bloc. In a direct war with israel, they'll be weakened, which will be to the advantage of its rivals. Moreover, there's the US(west) factor they have to consider...but since Hezbullah is part of what gives Iran it's regional muscle, it will definitely assist incase of a war with israel

For all my criticisms of israel, the fact is they're one of the most technologically advanced armies on earth and one of the most powerful. They have very destructive weapons and mossad is an effective spy agency, but their ground combat capabilities aren't anything special

It isn't black and white, so when i make a point, you should know i do so within its context

Lawag3:
Netenyahu is telling Iran to do its worst.

Iran has thrown Hamas and Hezbollah under the bus

I'll tell you respectfully, you insulted me earlier, you're not someone i'll engage with

LordAdam16:
That's for sure.

Assassinations is the perfect confetti for the far-right in Israel.
Does not change the battlefield reality, but it delays Netanyahu reckoning.

-Lord

Yea that's netanyahu's calculus

LordAdam16:
It's because he is fighting paramilitaries without Air Defense.
If he were fighting Turkey or Pakistan; we will have a scoreboard up.

-Lord

Forget all braggadocio, Hezbullah won't stop until israel stops in Gaza

The israelis of the north should remain comfy elsewhere until then

Vic2023:
- NEWS - US imposed sanctions on companies linked to IRGC and Hezbollah

The US Treasury Department (#USA) announced sanctions on four companies and nine vessels for their involvement in supplying Iranian oil and gas to #Syria and East Asia on behalf of #Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (#IRGC) and #Hezbollah.

The inclusion in the sanctions list will result in an asset freeze in the US. The agency said in a statement that "Iran continues to rely on the illicit sale of oil and liquefied natural gas by the IRGC and Hezbollah to fund its terrorist proxies and destabilizing activities."

Source: US Department of the Treasury

For there to be peace in the Middle East, a major war is inevitable... probably World War 3

This israel problem in the region will only be solved when a big war is fought, because the west will inevitably fight for israel and the explosion point is quite visible

The people in the region have to brace up for any eventuality and they've been so subdued for so long that they must be willing to pay the necessary price to be free of foreign subjugation, which has mostly been for israel's gain

motayoayinde:
I remember the Golani brigade of thugs and how they were humiliated by Hamas.

They were hurriedly withdrawn from Gaza.
I made a thread about it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7947261/israel-withdraws-elite-golani-brigade

Their commander had bragged on camera that he'll avenge his comrades killed before in Shuja'iyya, but he ended up being liquidated

The idf's 'victory' is mass destruction and civilian deaths, besides that, they're incompetent

herzi halevi (idf's chief of general staff), daniel hagari (idf spokesperson) and yoav gallant (israel's defence minister) have all said defeating Hamas isn't possible... they're the military guys

Only SOME of the politicians are saying they will destroy Hamas

For some reason on this thread, some deluded israel fanboys are claiming Hamas has been defeated, something that even netanyahu hasn't claimed

They've probably come to terms with israel's failure, so they'll just assert a nonexistent victory

It's not easy supporting israel and these are hard times for zionists

Lawag3:
Because I do not support a terrorist group that attacked killed Israeli people? Just because of what?


Cry more. Even some gazans want the end of Hamas.


Gaza is better without hamas.

When that Gaza exists we can talk, for now, continue in your delusions

Lawag3:
Yes I am ready to stand on the destruction of Hamas for the sake of Israel.

And it seems israel has liberated Gaza from the hands of Hamas.

Anything wrong with that?

No one is interested in your fantasies and wishful thinking

This has to be the most stupid comment on this entire thread

Lawag3:
How do you know that Hamas is crushed?
A week after the pagers attack in Lebanon and Syria and Hamas didn’t even launch one rocket or mortar bomb.
During that week nearly 500 terrorists were killed there. Gaza is silent.
Sinwar might be out of commission…


It seems like its mission accomplished in gaza

Why do you people type comments that amount to self ridicule

You're really willing to stand by this all for the sake of israel?

lanre316:
Only one person is doing that and there is nothing you can tell that will make him stop. Nothing. He no go hear word of reason. He believes he is doing the work of his god by quoting his religious book. When religion fully infects the brain, it's game over. No amount of reason will work on the person anymore. His imaginary god, second life etc is as real to him as anything.

The responsibility is on all of us here