Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 11:39am On Oct 19, 2024 |
Dropping this here  I can't speak for the others, but as for me, I like your thread Uprightness100, continue updating us
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 11:26am On Oct 19, 2024 |
Lawag3: I don't want to call you a liar maybe you are or maybe you're just ignorant. Let me help you.
The Hamas Covenant The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant: Goals of the HAMAS: "The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." (Article 6)
On the destruction of Israel:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble) ( yeah the destruction of Israel by ISLAM) Note: this is not a religious war.
The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:
"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)
"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)
The call to jihad:
"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)
"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about." (Article 33)
Rejection of a negotiated peace settlement: Like they have always done. But it's Israel that doesn't want the two state solution.
"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)
Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:
"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)
Anti-Semitic incitement:
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)
You said Hamas' founding charter doesn't state all Jews should be killed, please explain the above.
"The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it." (Article 22)
"Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'." (Article 32)
"The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews." (Article 32) Now from the revised charter
. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.
20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
Now the bolded is what spoilt previous negotiations because then Palestinians can live within Israel . You get.
On your last bit this is a political not a religious thread.
Use the quranic references in my post. There are only two points that require my attention out of all these you've stated, because all the others all make clear that Hamas' fight is against the Zionist State of israel and Zionism Secondly, I won't even bother to double check anything you've written there because nothing debunks my points Now to my response: 1. The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)
The above is a foretelling of Prophet Muhammad about the end times, when Jesus (Isa) will come back and will lead the Muslims to defeat the anti-Christ (Dajjal). The prophecy states that Jews are waiting for a Messiah and a lot of them will accept the Dajjal(anti-Christ) as such when he shows up, there'll be battles and eventually, Jesus (Isa) will come and lead the Muslims to victory against them, killing the anti-Christ. It's when that happens, that even rocks and trees will speak. The Article you quoted is not a command to kill Jews, it's a prophecy of end time events, the actual text is very long and I'm certain Hamas put it there as motivation, seeing it as some sort of promised outcome 2. Claiming negotiations failed because of any provision of a Hamas Charter is false, there's never been negotiations between Hamas and Israel for a Two State Solution, it's always been between the PLO/PA and israel 3. Hamas' Charter is only a response to the Provisions of the Likud Party Charter( founded 1973) which contains thus: The original 1977 party platform stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."The 1999 Likud Party platform emphasized the right of settlement: The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprootingThe 'Peace & Security' chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state: The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needsThis makes clear the rejection of any Palestinian State and even claims a right to Palestinian land and erasure of Palestinians Note that Likud was formed in 1973 and Hamas in 1987. Today, Likud is in power and the knesset has passed a resolution rejecting the establishment of a Palestinian State 4. Like I stated, Hamas revised it's Charter in 2017 and even removed the 'controversial' Article 7 from it and several others 5. The claim Israel wants peace and Palestinians don't want it is bogus. You can call me a liar, I don't care, I only speak on what I know |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 10:54am On Oct 19, 2024 |
Procashtips: Just like other resistance fighters follow a religion majority of those within it practice. Exactly |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 10:44pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
0neal: When the basal instinct for survival kicks in, rules of engagement flies away...especially when the enemy (Iran) has sworn to no rest until Isreal is wiped off the map or erased from the pages of time.
It is called WAR
Do you think some of the soldier either knowingly or mistakenly shooting those unharmed civilians were given orders from their superiors? and do you think all the soldiers will carryout the orders to the latter without some having a moral issue with the order?
You proved my point fighting an unconventional army with no standard uniform is messy, even the IDF killed their own people.
They killed their own people unarmed and waving white flags
If you don't gerrit forget about it |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 10:25pm On Oct 18, 2024*. Modified: 10:41pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
Lawag3: Is killing Jews part of the principles of Islam.
Since in the Hamas founding charter the Death of all Jews is part of it.
They took kill the Jews where ever you may find them literally isn't it. 1.Hamas' founding charter doesn't state all Jews should be killed, it states that they're committed to the destruction of the Zionist State as they refer to it 2. There are videos on YouTube of Ahmad Yassin Hamas' founder, clearly stating that their fight isn't against Jews or Judaism, because in his own words "they're a people of religion like us", rather their fight is against the oppressive Zionist State 3. Hamas amended it's Charter in 2017 to include accepting a Palestinian State side by side with the Zionist State, inline with the Internationally recognized 1967 borders. So Hamas in 2017 made the recognition of israel a formal stance, on condition of a Palestinian State 4. If your last paragraph is a reference to the Qur'an, please quote the verse, it's citation (i.e. what Chapter and verse) and let's analyze it
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 9:13pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
Lawag3: Why is Hamas called the Islamic resistance movement? They follow the principles of Islam |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 9:12pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
NothingDoMe: And terrorist lover. Or maybe it's just their cash he loves. Cashing out on them with antisemitic nonsense. 🤣 The guy is a jew |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 5:57pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
Vic2023: I'm not sorry to say this, you are mad!  ah ah wetin happen? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 5:33pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
Vic2023: this is one proof Why are you bothering yourself, these things were all over the news when they happened and we discussed them here extensively These guys know all these things, they're not interested in the truth, some of them are bots and to some, Palestinians don't exist, only israelis do |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 5:29pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
motayoayinde: Doesn't make much difference really. Hezbollah has shown that killing these leaders is just a worthless stunt that puts Israel in a worse position. Now Hamas has said there'll be no deal to release captives unless there's a ceasefire Whoever believes the will of Hamas is broken, or they're teetering on defeat is 'jonesing' |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 2:33pm On Oct 18, 2024 |
Cancri: and those legions of new fighters will met thesame fate as he did As will their enemies |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 11:19pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 11:06pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
Jovi10: That one know get brain just ignore am   |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 9:20pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
Alamkir: I thought he was not in Palestine. Ironically, the news of his death rubbishes the attempts to paint him as a coward and exposes the limits of Israeli intelligence We read propaganda like: 1. He has fled Gaza 2. He's hiding in tunnels surrounding himself with 'hostages' and that's why Israel can't secure their release 3. He's living large while letting Palestinians suffer 4. He's holed up in a tunnel somewhere secure and under civilian buildings But the reality is that he was the opposite of those things: 1. He personally led his men 2. He was in the heart of battle 3. He was an exemplary leader 4. He wasn't hiding 5. He died just like his Palestinian people in Gaza His death will inspire legions of new fighters |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 7:36pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
DystopianMuse:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 SIN-WAR
SIN was his compass, WAR was his creed, A heart that knew no mercy, no heed. Now he lies silent, his wars are done, His sins have ceased beneath the sun.
- Imam Tawhidi
Congratulations humanity. I'm curious, does this end the Resistance? If not, you must agree there's little to celebrate Moreover, you should admit you lied about him being in a tunnel |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 7:34pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
DystopianMuse: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
COPING MECHANISM
LIW TO YOURSELF ALL U CAN Hamas' history is littered with killed leaders Infact, before Hamas, the same was the case for the PLO. The reality is that anyone who assumes leadership of a Palestinian resistance group expects to die One thing many of you don't take into account is that, Palestinians know Israelis more than you do. They know fully well what they're up against Only someone who isn't aware of the history of Palestine and it's resistance movements will call it a coping mechanism It's a fact |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 7:30pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
DystopianMuse: He died as he lived, in tunnels, hiding like the coward he was He died in a building, firing at the enemy Building not tunnel |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 7:20pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
DystopianMuse: IDF taking custody of Sinwar's corpse. He died like a dog, and will be buried like a dog. He died the death of a warrior A warrior would rather die in the fields of battle than on his bed away from battle He died as he wanted Victory for the Resistance means two things: achieving the goal, or martyrdom (death in battle) That's why Hamas always says till victory or martyrdom |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:45pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
Procashtips: None of the 3 pictures look like this man. I'm waiting for Hamas to confirm, but it could be him Remember they've been dealing with genocidal tactics like starvation, carpet bombings and so on. If that's actually him, I won't be surprised that he's changed a bit |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:31pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
Cancri: he died trying to escape to Egypt The men were in a building in Rafah, unless he was going to teleport to Egypt, what you said makes no sense |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:28pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
Many here don't know this, but there are no less than eight groups jointly fighting together in Gaza and unless the military capabilities of the groups are dismantled, the battles continue
It's worthy to note that he wasn't killed through intelligence gathering, but by luck. The idf didn't even know he was among the men they fired upon
If his death is confirmed, he has gone down as a hero of the Palestinian people and their legitimate struggle |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:22pm On Oct 17, 2024 |
If it's confirmed to be him, he died in the field commanding his men
Proper Resistance leader
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 8:11pm On Oct 14, 2024 |
shoodboi2: That's what monsters do. They claim everything is fake or antisemitic. Shitty zionists. 🎯 |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 6:20pm On Oct 14, 2024 |
shoodboi2: I saw the video of that man burning alive. He was moving his hand. I watched it several times yesterday night. Some people will insist it's fake to ease their conscience, so they can convince themselves they're not monsters |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 5:38pm On Oct 14, 2024 |
Cancri: bloody fake news, how do I know? Because the first instinct of any human being seeing such a disaster unfold is to help put that fire out. pictures would be taken after that fire has been put out If you were someone else, I would have been surprised It's a still from a video, I guess you've not seen countless videos of the aftermath of air strikes in Gaza where some people record and report on it, while others help the victims Like I said, it's you, so no surprise |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 9:13pm On Oct 13, 2024 |
Allthelight: A video that has been geoconfirmed is now fake .. waow u guys are really not so smart Israeli official information has a target audience: smart people like you Dumb people like me don't have the 'enlightenment' needed to grasp it |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 9:00pm On Oct 13, 2024 |
Allthelight: Dude the videos are confirmed by geolocation apps We'll soon see news that UNIFIL troops are fighting alongside Hizbullah |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 8:55pm On Oct 13, 2024 |
Allthelight: Baseless claims with pictures and videos? Like Al-shifa hospital abi, or beheaded babies pictures |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 8:45pm On Oct 13, 2024 |
Allthelight: Ok what policy do you talk of was there an agreement or not. This is why netanyahu is against giving out lands You quoted me basing your claims on official Israeli propaganda and expect a constructive conversation The US will probably be the only country, due to their enslavement to Zionism, that'll back any baseless claim of UNIFIL positions being used by Hizbullah. It's actually stupid to be honest The State policy of israel does what it wants to whoever, whenever, wherever |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 8:37pm On Oct 13, 2024 |
The Resistance factions have dispelled the myth of Israeli invincibility before the eyes of the world
Their most die hard supporters must be heavily conflicted |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 8:31pm On Oct 13, 2024 |
Allthelight: west can play politics with Ukraine or Saudi Arabia But Israel don't buy rubbish Manufacturing the human shields arguments against Hizbullah now, are we? That's what happens when terrorism is State policy |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 11:57pm On Oct 12, 2024*. Modified: 10:46am On Oct 13, 2024 |
23jerryking: Okay then, but one thing though, let's assume there are about 4 to 5 reasons as to why an air defense mechanism no matter how sophisticated can be assumed to have failed.
1. For instance, Israel's air defense systems are designed to handle a certain number of incoming threats. If Iran launched a large, coordinated barrage of missiles, it could overwhelm the system's capacity, allowing some missiles to bypass the defenses. Does that render it useless? Not quite, but of course, as with everything else in the tech world, it cannot be perfect.
2. Forget about talks about sanctions and all of that. Iran has developed various missile systems, including long-range ballistic missiles that may be more sophisticated than the rockets Iron Dome typically intercepts. Missiles with maneuverable warheads, stealth characteristics, or even faster speeds can be harder to track and intercept.
3. I also think that the defense system can at some point witness a great deal of saturation. In the case of Israel that uses a layered defense system, including Iron Dome (short-range), David's Sling (medium-range), and Arrow (long-range) systems. A massive, simultaneous attack across different ranges could saturate multiple layers of the defense, making it difficult to stop all missiles. Iran understood this very well and played the cards almost to perfection.
4. Also, it should be noted that some missiles might be fired from angles or at trajectories that exploit gaps in radar coverage or defense systems. Particularly long-range missiles fired from Iran could come in from higher altitudes or different directions than those typically encountered from Gaza or Lebanon.
5. I also think that Iran may have used electronic countermeasures or decoys to confuse Israeli defense systems, disrupting radar and missile guidance systems.
6. Another thing I think is that maybe, just maybe the Israelis' air defense systems prioritize intercepting missiles that pose the greatest threat to populated areas. Some missiles may have been intentionally left to strike less critical targets to conserve resources for more dangerous ones. This is me just assuming though. All you've stated are valid, though I have one correction to make: I never referred to the ADsystems as useless |