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Gbadebo19:
If you know how to interpret statutes, you would understand that the statute is statimg that a mere intention does not qualify but rather an intention coupled with any of the underlisted occurrences.
Now tell me how an intention coupled with any of the underlisted occurrences will not point at a pre-plan.
Take the locus classicus case of Tutsi's Vs Hutu's in Rwanda to be better guided

See you trying your hardest to validate your submission

You know what, when proving prior preparation (pre-planning) becomes a pre-requisite for proving genocide in a competent Law Court, I'll indulge your efforts

Gbadebo19:
You don't know how to interpret statutes.
Go back to school.
You can't be more than a 100 level student.

Are you a lawyer?

Crayfish09:
Allow the pig to roll in the mud alone please. He's not worth the hassle.

I'll take your advice

Gbadebo19:
By God, you are not a lawyer!!!!
It says, any of the following act COMMITTED....
That means any of the underlisted act MUST be committed.

A mere intention to commit it does not make a genocide. Go back to school, my friend.

If we go by your logic and I primarily wish that a certain group in X country be killed in large numbers, does that mean I have committed Genocide? Definitely NO. I will only commit genocide if any of the understlisted acts occur or be liable for attempted genocide if I begin to take steps to carry it out.
As long as the underlisted acts do not occur, there is no genocide, the worst that can occur is an attempted genocide.

GO BACK TO SCHOOL

Show me anywhere I said a mere intention constitutes genocide

You stupidly said genocide must be pre-planned, I said no, there must be an intention to commit, for it to qualify

You're a clown

Gbadebo19:
Rest!!!!
Muhammed himself killed over 1000 Jews in his lifetime

I didn't know Mein Kampf took inspiration from Islam

Thanks for the info man

Lawag3:
There's no record of Israel killing sinwar's parents. Israel didn't start the 1945 Arab war that made Palestinians refugees.

He became a prisoner because he killed two Jews and four Palestinians he felt where siding with the Jews.

The last two may be true.


Sinwar hates Jews

Okay man

I like that you do concede some points, get well bro

Lawag3:
Yeah I agree with that they were treated better but were still inferiors
In year 20 of the Muslim era, or the year 641 CE, Muhammad's successor the Caliph Umar decreed that Jews and Christians should be removed from all but the southern and eastern fringes of Arabia—a decree based one saying of Muhammad: "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". The two populations in question were the Jews of the Khaybar oasis in the north and the Christians of Najran
Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups.


Persecutions happened but not to the scale of Europe.


Bottom line is the Bible doest have a verse where Christians are told to kill and maltreat Jews or people of other religions, the Quran does.

At least you admitted to this

Let's leave this here , I won't argue religious points on this thread. Maybe some other thread, not this one

Gbadebo19:
How does that invalidate the fact that they are required to kill Jews. Should we start talking about "Tahqiyyah" that allows Muslims to deceive?

Maybe they are required to marry their corpse and eat their rotten flesh after killing them

That makes sense

Gbadebo19:
Don't go into a discourse you know nothing about.
Mere intention is never a crime. It only becomes a crime when you start taking steps to bring it into action. Reason why the word "pre-planned" was used. Legal provisions are not just a bunch of English sentences.

I'm a lawyer, you're a wannabe

Gbadebo19:
What he quoted was not a lie. Muslims are obligated to kill Jews and not to even relate with Christians at all.
I am well versed in Islamic law as well as customary law.

Aren't the same Muslims permitted to Marry Jews and Christians and eat their food? And aren't they given a title of "People of the Book" in the Muslim holy book the Qur'an?

How do you reconcile that with your claims above?

Gbadebo19:
Was Israel the only country charged with PLAUSIBLE war crimes?
Was Yahya Sinwar not also added to the list by the ICC prosecutor?
There is a reason I wrote Plausible in capital letters above.
By the strict definition of genocide, three conditions must be fulfilled.

1. It must be pre-planned
2. It must be targeted against a particular group of people.
3. It must be designed to significantly wipe out a large number of the targeted group of people.

If anything, Hamas is more likely to be guilty of genocide than Israel because it is clear that the October 7 attack was pre-planned and targeted against the Israelites and at the same time designed to totally eliminate Israel (Let me remind you that the pre-amble of Hamas constitution is a vow to exterminate Israel).
As for Israel on the other hand, it is clear that the retaliation was not pre-planned but rather a retaliation that is spiralling out of control.

There's nothing like it must be pre-planned, there must be intention to commit genocide

Once again, how does this absolve them of war crimes?

Lawag3:
The bottom line here is that Muslims are obligated to kill Jews.


Hence the Islamic resistance movement of Hamas, The party of Allah wants to kill Jews.

Jews were treated better in Muslim Countries than Christian Europe

So much for Muslims being obligated to kill jews

Lawag3:
Betraying OK he didn't become an Israeli agent he became leader of Hamas planned a terrorist attack that killed 1200 Jewish CIVILLIANS and kidnapped hundreds more . Which lead to the death of thousands of Palestinians both Hamas combatants and innocent civilians. Which also lead to his Death.



He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

And don't forget, made him an orphan, a refugee, a prisoner, killed many of his family members, tortured him etc

Lawag3:
Hadith are part of Islam. And this hadith isn't weak. It's a sahih.


I know the difference between the hadith and the Quran I have moslem family members.

Go to your Muslim family members let them explain it to you

I won't engage in religious discourse here

Lawag3:
Yes they tried to turn him to an agent. They thought he'll be grateful for saving his life which they had no obligation to. His heart was already stone.


The doctor who saved him is the one u feel pity for he lost was it a nephew or a son to sinwar's OCT 7th attack.

According to International Law, they do have that obligation, but that isn't even why they did it, is it? They saw it as an opportunity to turn him against his people

Now, should he have shown gratitude by betraying his people?

Your posts are usually more intelligent than this, I hope you're holding up well

Gbadebo19:
One thing is as clear as crystal, no matter how much you foolish people try to twist history.
The current Israelites were the ones who suffered from the Holocaust, hence the necessity to establish a homeland for them where they can live since they were not wanted in many parts of the world as at that time.
Without any doubt, the people who suffered from the Holocaust were the Jews. If you like, lie to yourself from now till thy kingdom comes.
Whether or not the present Palestinians have a DNA that is closely related to the ancient Jews does not invalidate the fact that the present Israelites are also Jews.
The lack of reading extensively is what has made you think that the Jews were just a separate of people.
Right from time immemorial, the ancient Jews mixed with other tribes and it didn't invalidate their being a jew, even though ancient Judaism scriptures forbade them from doing so.
For instance, the first Christian martyr, Stephen was a Greek jew. There were Roman Jews as well as Ethiopian Jews.
Since the time of the apostles, this was a matter that had caused issues within the Jewish communities. Pure Jews at that time regarded mixed Jews as non-jews.
Matters got worse with the coming of Christianity that embraced and welcomed both Jews and gentiles. That was why Pharisees and Sadducees had problems with some of the teachings of Yashua (Jesus).

How does this absolve them of war crimes?

sainttwist1:
i know they are not Muslim.....they are islamists

Do you even know what you're saying?

Lawag3:
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."


The above is quite clear it says the day of judgement will not come Until the Moslems fight the Jews and kill them .

Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."


There is nothing in this verse concerning Isa coming. In fact he won't come until you guys have killed the Jews. I did not see any mention of the Dajjal either the verse was clear and explicit.


The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for [b]their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews[/b]


It is evident that Hamas is following the tenets of Islam.


One of which is killing Jews.


Zionism is just an excuse. Because of world Zionism let's kill all the Jews in the world.

It's not even a Qur'anic verse, it's a Hadith (that's if you even know the difference)

I don't want to turn this into a religious argument

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/223275

Follow this link to educate yourself about the Hadith, your problem is ignorance

Lawag3:
Sinwar was released 2011 he was treated in the early 2000s.

It wasn't related.

Well they tried to use it to turn him into an agent

Betty Lahat, the prison system’s intelligence chief at the time, said in a TV documentary that she tried to use that event to recruit him as an agent.
“I said, the state of Israel saved your life,” she said. “I thought I could turn him into one of ours, but he wasn’t interested. He kept talking about the day he would be released. I told him you’re never getting out. He said there’s a date: God knows it.”
There was a date. It was Oct. 18, 2011, when Israel exchanged more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for an Israeli soldier held by Hamas, Gilad Shalit. Among those released “

Procashtips:
Seun the Mossad buy-out?

Good point

Crayfish09:
The idiot celebrated Israel's bombing of Aljazeera office some years back and he still defends Israel's assassination of journalists.

There's no use seeking logic or sense with Uprightness100, he's just who he is

Vl3ly:
that guy sick for head

Uprightness100 na my guy, he dey make me laugh

shoodboi2:
He definitely does. Many of them follow this read. They just read but don't comment.

If Seun properly ran this site, people like WrriterNg would be rewarded, or at least acknowledged, for giving it prestige through threads like this

WrriterNg:
Exactly!


They accuse me of being Muslim & being a terrorist everytime my thread hits front page.

Do i need to be a Muslim before I stand against the Israeli genocide of Palestinians? Why are people this heartless?

Anyways, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, so I'm not bothered.

Palestinians aren't all Muslims. There are Christians, Druze, atheists and even some Jews identify as Palestinians

Ignorance is the problem

WrriterNg:
I'm struggling to keep count of Russian submarines and ships built and commissioned this year.


But 🤡 western propaganda networks still claim that Russia has only 64 submarines

Russia is a military juggernaut

If Nigeria wants to truly be secure, it has to look the way of Russia, even though I know we're currently enslaved to the West, which has little interest except subjugation and exploitation

shoodboi2:
Is it my name he spelled as shooidoo or is someone else? Righteousness or whatever you call yourself, who are you referring to?

Bro na you o

Turns out he keeps tabs on this thread

Lawag3:
I heard while he was in the Jewish prison he had a terminal illness and was treated at a Jewish hospital by Jewish doctor


When Israel saved Yahya Sinwar's life
Ironically, Israel had put a target on a man whom it had once saved from certain death. In the early 2000s, while in prison, Sinwar began experiencing headaches and blurred vision, as per a Bloomberg report that narrates the interesting episode in his life. He was taken to the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba where a surgeon removed a brain tumor, saving his life.


There's a whole documentary on this Sinwars word to the doctor is I own you my life.

The doctor's son was killed on Oct 7th

I'm curious as to whether Sinwar being treated for his brain tumor had anything to do with Gilad Shalit's captivity

Hamas insisted that Sinwar be among those released in exchange for Shalit and allowing him to die without surgery, would have definitely jeopardized an exchange deal

Note that Sinwar was released in the Gilad Shalit deal, so I strongly doubt that the treatment he received was out of the goodness of the heart of the Israelis

Moreover, some of the freed captives of October 7 made it clear after being released that, Sinwar personally addressed them in Hebrew and ordered they be well taken care of, which many of them said they were, so i doubt he hates jews

Like I once stated, you have to give it to Hamas' counter-intelligence capabilities

The fact that the only top Hamas figures that have been killed due to Intelligence work, have been outside of Gaza I.e. Ismail Haniyeh, Saleh al-Arouri. Sinwar was killed by chance

Muhammad Deif, a prime target, is in Gaza and still alive. The captives are out of reach and well hidden and the fact that Sinwar was above ground fighting, yet wasn't detected is remarkable. Ironically, if he'd stayed underground in tunnels like his detractors claimed he was, he'd be alive today

This is all despite the fact that the US and UK have sent 'advisors' and 'equipments' to help in locating captives, which has turned up very little in the tiny strip of land that is Gaza

Remarkable

motayoayinde:
It's even a stupid question that only Islamophobes will ask.

Jewry, Judaism, Israelism, Zionism are all deeply rooted in religion.

The current Israeli government is made up of ultra-extreme, deranged, religious fanatics who believe that every of their genocidal action is divinely inspired.

Natanyahu quoted verses from the Jewish scriptures, likening the Palestinians to Amalekites who should all be wiped out at the beginning of this war.

This attempt to paint Palestinian Resistance as a religiously fanatical endeavor is nonsense

Among the groups fighting today in Gaza, there are communist groups and secular groups fighting along with religiously driven groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. It's a National struggle

The Abu Ali brigades of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is a Communist group and strongly believes only fighting will liberate Palestine and refuses to recognize israel

The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is the armed wing of Fatah, a secular group fighting alongside Hamas

The remaining groups are such as well, they're 8 in total, each representing a strand/segment of Palestinian society, fighting for their homeland

The funny thing is that some of the most legendary Palestinian Resistance figures are Christians E.G Hanan Ashrawi, Georges Habash ( founder of PFLP), Daniel Abu Hamama, Hilarion Capuchi etc.

It's a National struggle fullstop

sainttwist1:
I think everyone here know what is going on but very few are doing it for argument seek and majority are doing it because of their religion affiliation, it is a form of jih.....

You better don't waste your time......they will still ask you to bring proof

Majority of posters here aren't Muslims

NothingDoMe:
And he's cashing out on the Terrorists while using the money to fund his country. 🤷.

Terrorists are not very smart it appears.

This is what is called clutching at straws

Alamkir:
I heard yahaya Sinwar was in isreali prison for more than 20 years, 23 years precisely, he came out 13 years ago and take up arms against Israel immediately. Hero

The man dedicated his life to the cause of his people