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Whynotthetruth:
Because of funding challenge, they spread same funding over 18months...

Why not go back and count same from that month and see how logical you're...

Then also show me an evidence where buhari either paid, or approved or initiated anything towards these refineries...

Fashola who you worship has delivery date of June 2013 for his rail...check today's date and tell me the state of the project and whereabouts of billion dollar loan borrowed for same...

Should we vilify or thank Jonathan for having his contractors deliver earlier that scheduled

Funding challenge for FG to find 99Bn? very funny, when they can sell bond or treasury bills of over 150 Bn in a few days and use the money to repair the refineries save over 1 Trllion subsidy and create more employment and tax revenue. Yet TANoikds can say the FG has funding challenge, i wonder what should be a priority if not this.

ECOTERRORS:
you are a bloody liar, please answer this questions.

how long does it take for TAM to happen bearing in mind that Daura President has spent less than 4wks on seat

Has the president constitute his cabinet?

How many days have the president stayed in the country since his inauguration?

Can't you see the angle the OP is taking? it is so simple nah, the refinery required to TAM at least by the end of last year.
It seems no contract was awarded and no payment was made since the last announcement by NNPC in February 2015, yet the refineries, all 4 are st to work by July. From other reports it seems the refinery were simply denied crude oil thus the units are mothballed.

I suspect they had no plans to meet even the 2016 date, as they will come with another story if Jonathan was still in power

bushdoc9919:
Good post...and after reading it....I am annoyed with NNPC.

Looks like someone in that NNPC was playing games not only with Nigerians...but also with GEJ.

Now that Baba is there.....

Still...the fact remains that even at full capacity.....we still need new refineries. Nigeria consumes about 40million liters of fuel daily. Our refineries at full capacity produce 19 million liters of fuel a day. We need new ones....and we will still be importing for now.

At 450,000 bopd,of the four refineries, they have the capacity to deliver 32 million litres per of petrol considering 45% conversion rate, with further cracking you can get more. That is if the 4 plants work at 100% capacity and you should also expect 12 - 16 million litres of diesel daily amongst other fuels.

19 million litres of petrol you quoted is barely 60% capacity utilisation.

If our daily consumption is officially 40 million, we don't need to import more than 8 million litres to meet the shortfall while another refinery is under construction. Dangote's refinery can be given crude to refine for NNPC, and be paid his normal margin.

Obiagelli:
But the amount paid on subsidy had dropped significantly

Okonjo Iwaela said she has already paid over 200 Bn as subsidy this year and still owing the marketers, who is fooling who with the nonsense budget

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Please tell Nigerians how Jonathan and his economic team would have managed N149b in 2015 budget without functional refineries?

Jonathan has hardly ever adhered to budget provision for subsidy, he started the practice of ballooning the subsidy payment by 4 to 5 times within one year as if Nigerians suddenly started drinking petrol or our population double within a year.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
APC were crying for absence of subsidy provision in 2015 budget to the amazement of all Nigerians because they had no clue of President Jonathan's plans on how to go around subsidy in 2015.

Goodluck Jonathan and his economic team have worked out how to manage low crude prices and still keep the country flying hence the overhauling of all the country's refineries.

Ask yourselves, Why should Jonathan drastically cut subsidy budget if the refineries were not going to work? Answer - He has taken care of our refineries

Remember, our refineries are outdated hence spares are difficult to assess because original equipment manufacturers have stop supporting the system.

They planned to force subsidy removal whether we like it or not afterall if Jonathan won the last election he won't seek another term.
One thing people should note is fuel prices is lower in the US compared to most European countries because oil is abundant in the USA. I don't understand why we should necessarily pay world prices with abundant oil reserves. It's even a sick idea to be importing majority of our fuel consumption.

Utchgirl:
As 4 d Amechi mata, betrayal is nt gud.

Baba Iyabo n Baba one chance shld hv mercy on Ngige @ least he is a strong southeast APC politician.

What is betrayal by Amaechi that you people keep parroting as if you are broken records?
Because he is from Niger Delta is he duty bound to support Jonathan's re-election?
Did Jonathan not get elected in 2011 with a lot of votes from Northern muslims and Christians alike?
Were Northern votes subtracted from his total tally?
Did he not get any vote from northerners in 2015?
Did he not get Northern politicians like Yakassai, Shekarau, Bafawara, Modu Sherif etc to support his re-election?
Did you 'Amaechi betrayed us parrots' ask the above northern politicians to shove their support during run up to elections?
Where you not in this country when the guy was harassed and suspended by his party a fallout of his disagreement with Patince Jonathan?

Very soon you will think in your mind that your educated and sophisticated but you starkly betray your intellectual poverty on this forum with all these Amaechi betrayed us nonsense.

Utchgirl:
As 4 d Amechi mata, betrayal is nt gud.

Baba Iyabo n Baba one chance shld hv mercy on Ngige @ least he is a strong southeast APC politician.

What is betrayal by Amaechi that you people keep parroting as if you are broken records?
Because he is from Niger Delta is he duty bound to support Jonathan's re-election?
Did Jonathan not get elected in 2011 with a lot of votes from Northern muslims and Christians alike?
Were Northern votes subtracted from his total tally?
Did he not get any vote from northerners in 2015?
Did he not get Northern politicians like Yakassai, Shekarau, Bafawara, Modu Sherif etc to support his re-election?
Did you 'Amaechi betrayed us parrots' ask the above northern politicians to shove their support during run up to elections?
Where you not in this country when the guy was harassed and suspended by his party a fallout of his disagreement with Patience Jonathan?

Very soon you will think in your mind that your educated and sophisticated but you starkly betray your intellectual poverty on this forum with all these Amaechi betrayed us nonsense.

PPAngel:
Boko Haram illusive Spokes man, Shekau has taken to his Youtube account from his Langely, Virginia base to state that he intends to attack South Africa not because South African mercenaries have been contracted by the Nigeria Govt to flush out the bokos but because Shekau is vissibly touched at the killings metted Nigerians in South Africa by the xenophobic riots perpetuated by South Africa.

Reminder

This is the same Shekau that stated he enjoys killing Kafirs.

This is the same Shekau that has declared war on all southerners and Christians residing in the north.

This is the same Shekau that finds nothing wrong in abducting, r@ping and selling young christian girls.

Lest we remind Shekau that 99.9% of Nigerians residing in SA are southerners with a significant population being Igbos and thus Christian.

Off course nobody is expected to take the pronouncement of a mad man like Shekau seriously but we should caution Shekau's handlers in the CIA that we know this game will soon start once a Buhari puppet govt is up and running.

I have warned here severally in many of my handles on NL of how the Americans will quickly shift focus from the NE to the Niger Delta once their puppet govt is installed!

Watch how MEND will be turned the bad guys on the bloc and the ND turned to the latest killing zone.

It has always been about oil.

The Americans are desperate to get their hands on it and has the rescent history of Nations like Libya and Iraq have shown, the Americans will stop at nothing to get their greasey hands on it.

The ND should be cautious and awake!

They will use the north and SW to anger us into seccession. We will fight for our freedom and this time America is in need of another Vietnam lesson.

So ladies too smoke weed? Abi you're another transgender

Upon all his twitter rants, he too will collect the huge allowances?

The guy is a shame even before he started, he has failed woefully the very first money test.

dearpreye:
Let them continue in their foolish liberalism. It's soon they shall reap the brutal cconsequences of their myopia and foolishness.

Shebi it's Christians who decided to change their own focus to making money by prosperity preaching not winning genuine souls

Flets:
That's the reason I allow illiterates like yourself shoot yourself in the foot..... I allow you do that.

A while ago, you said two years was too long a time for TAM ranging from contracting to commissioning.

Read your post again, you said delivery could take 9 to 12months and you have 90days planned for the actual work. Now this is 15 months already

Now that excludes contracting, engineering and all logistics in between which could be another 1yr considering the Nigerian environment.

Using your own pessimists data, can you now see its 2yrs or more?

When next you quote 45 days TAM, kindly tell your uninformed audience that it excludes every form of contracting, engineering, procurement, shipping and every logistics in between.

Half education is worse than stark illiteracy...... And you my friend are stuck in between.

If you are truly on a TAM as you said, then you have some learning to do.

I already told you are lost case, half education is more dangerous than stark illiteracy. In your urge to defend the people scamming you you forget that TAM refers to maintenance and you don't wait for your plant to breakdown before start the planning. In fact the planning start immediately one TAM is finished.

TAM is not what you do every year, maybe once in 4 - 5 years, can you tell us how many time TAM has been done on the refineries in the last 6 years?

Engineering and contracting time is not a major timeline for a plant you don't intend to upgrade, expand or debottleneck. With a good SPIR in place you simply check your spares level in store and order enough to restock to normal level. Most plants i know usually have enough spares in store to carry out a successful TAM without any extensive wait for spares. You can even use the Capital spars for TAM while replacement parts are yet to arrive.

NNPC never mentioned it intends to expand the capacity of the plant so why award them such huge timeline?
If there was no fire damage or theft or major damage all necessary spares will be delivered in 6 months and the standard period for TAM remains 20 - 60 days.

During the last subsidy debate in 2011, the last Minister of petroleum mentioned that the plant is operating at 30% capacity and work is on-going to increase utilization. Yet in 2015 you come here to justify a never ending TAM, i still maintain you should be in comedy.

godoluwa:
really? am waiting for the link to read where US prosecute & judge her citizen with the haliburton. are u saying that US is holy of crime? if ur answer is yes, u must be living in WEST GERMANY

http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/files-open-new-window-182-million-halliburton-bribery-scandal-nigeria

Read and be educated, the Nigerian counterparts are still set to make laws to govern your life

Flets:
Another illiterate here

You can help him provide the durations required for those activities and make sure it sums up to 20 days

Nigerian refineries run on one of the oldest process technologies. Unfortunately none of the modules accessories can be purchased off-shelf because the technologies have been shelved by the original manufacturers.

For this reason, accessories are engineered and manufactured independently specific for our modules.

Its stupidity to compare TAM of recent technology modules and our old process facilities.

For a layman, have u attempted overhauling a 1983 peugeot car in 2015? Where would you find the parts and which serious technician would take on that?

So am all for new refineries ... No doubt. But I won't allow half educated folks like u decieve Nigerians

You are lost case, so only Nigerian refineries were designed with the oldest process technology in the world meanwhile a 1963 refinery in Italy is one of the most efficient in Europe today.

I say you are really a comedian, so after all the information you claim to have, you can still compare a car with yearly model change to refinery equipment that basically remains the same for decades with possible material update in spare parts during TAM.

I am currently working on TAM project for a petrochemical plant built in 1980 and the OEMs have their molds in possession of successor companies. All replacement spares we need can be delivered in 6 months and shutdown is planned for 70 - 90 days. New equipment to be replaced will be delivered in 9 - 12 months.
All the pressure vessels will simply be rehabilitated after RBI and integrity test.

Let them continue to deceive you while you wallow in ignorance, open your clogged mind and learn

TerrorSquad:
oga bruce, if you like summit your salary to iraq and syrian war victims, you don collect am be say you don collect am. ZOO ASSEMBLY.

Tell them, hungry people forming activist, the very first test, see money, he failed

atlwireles:
Don't waste your time, let's wait till next month. NNPC will tell us why they're still not producing petrol from their 1978 plants, they will find a new Ogbanje to blame. Nigerians are too ignorant, sometimes it is painful, when you hear them talk.

Another half baked public analyst, there are 60 year old refineries all over the world that are still producing efficiently. Refinery equipment are not laptops or smartphones that you make a new model every year

Sannazaro refinery
Eni SPA built its Sannazzaro, Italy, refinery in 1963. It currently has a primary capacity of more than 170,000 b/d and a conversion capacity of 46.2%, which makes it one of the most complex and efficient refineries in Europe.

http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-107/issue-2/processing/italian-refiner-lowers-turnaround-maintenance-complexity-costs.html

Reports from Bloomberg suggest that Saudi Aramco and ExxonMobil are already planning a maintenance shutdown, which may last 45 days, at the Yanbu refinery for February 2013.

http://www.oilandgasiq.com/integrity-hse-maintenance/articles/shutdowns-and-turnarounds-in-the-oil-and-gas-indus/

That is an example of 45 day TAM, let them continue to scam you while you dance for them unclad, how can that be stretched to 2 - 3 years under any guise if not scam.

Flets:
Another half educated Nigerian on the loose.

Kindly educate me with any example when we completed TAM on any of the refineries in 20-60days in Nigeria. Provide info with a reliable link

How long does contracting take?
How long does FEED and detailed engineering take?
How long does it take to machine the parts of our archaic refining module?
How long does it take to ship the machined and procured items to Nigeria and how long does it take to custom clear?
How long does it take to mobilize personnel and equipment to site?
How long is the tool time to do the actual maintenance on the modules?

How can you even quote a blind duration without quantifying the scope of planned maintenance?

Without trying to sound insultive, you an illiterate on this subject.

Mr. man you are the illiterate here, throwing around words like contract, FEED, machining does not make you intelligent.
For the years while the refineries ran in the same Nigeria which one was shut for 2 years under the guise of TAM?
Until the locust took power and enjoyed the honey flowing from fuel imports.
Because they told you lies of 2 year TAM we should take it as gospel truth?
You want to machine and custom design refinery equipment? you must be a clown, you order those equipment and only shut down for TAM when they get delivered to site
5 years is more than enough for any serious government to build new refineries not to talk of common TAM
I spit on incompetence

Tell us anywhere in the world where TAM takes 2 - 3 years
Nigerians make themselves fertile ground for scamming with half-baked analysts.

godoluwa:
when will US extradite her citizen wit haliburton scam to Nigeria?

Did Nigeria ever ask for their extradition? The crime took place over a project sited in Nigeria, US prosecuted it's own citizens and companies involved and fined or jailed them.

On our own part the recipients of the bribe were not even questioned and many of them are former leaders or just won elections. Very soon you will be saying we are Africans and the west does not want us to develop, but do we truly desire development and can anyone take us serious?

OrigamiIII:
They should please let this man be. There is no valid evidence to prosecute him. All harassment should stop. Besides, it seems the man has turned a new leaf donating 30 trailers of rice to osun state civil servants.

Oh my God!!! Na me and this type of people share citizenship? there is godu ooo!

drkay:
I pray he is vindicated in US too, at least, he's giving back to the society. His 30 trailers of rice(about 18000 bags) to Osun will go a long way. Let those who have one time or the other stolen from government purse give back to the society. Where is Bisi Akande? Oyinlola and thier senators?

You are praying for someone who destroyed lives to make his blood money and celebrating because he is giving his cursed rice to unpaid workers. Your value system is very warped and your stomach seems to be the ruler of your person.

Generalkorex:
someone once told me that he intentionally visited the refinery and found out that its working rate is 90%.
Which way Nigeria.

Where should have asked question from the last governments is if militants can run their own ramshackle refineries successfully how can a whole FG say it is not capable? Refinery technology is not as complex as they have painted it in our minds. Even during the civil war besieged Biafra never lacked petrol as it built and ran it's own production

waternogatenemy:
One idiot have hijack the thread using multiple moniker to repeat his lie. Wat job do yorubas do these days? Selling lies, propaganda on the internet.


You sell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth. Pity, the facts on ground dont support the lies. Liar! liar! pants on fire!

One good thing about your rant is that you have never directly defended the fake Ph.D claimed by Emegwalli on his own website. Kudos

Silly, stronger message is sent by refusing to collect it or return it back to NASS account and then argue on the floor.

Once it is collected and in his possession the wardrobe allowance becomes his own and can spend it as he deem fit. Donating it to charity does not change the fact that he was paid huge allowances as a senator, negating his initial outburst on twitter.

The news is if he starts donating his basic salary to widows and needy.

Dollyak:
I will end this here. The reason I even cared was because of the poor people I saw last year, while in Nigeria. You lots ignorance will never fail to amaze me.

I am not speaking to you again. Tinubu's slave. If you are not worth at least £1000000 then you have no reason to struff your useless ego at me.

Bye.

You have left name dropping to 'I live abroad' dropping and feel superior to people who made honest living in Nigeria. In your smart thinking we should all line up to follow Jonathan/PDP failed leadership because you like their face.

I see £1 million means the world to you, you are still very hungry, the interview offer is still open , we need people who can deliver.

I would suggest the 5K be tied getting a job that will pay minimum of another 5K per month, then it becomes a subsidy for businesses that want to expand. That is like subsidizing production of goods and services instead of consumption.

Alternatively, it should be tied as a stipend for cleaning public places, tending parks or attending training in vocational skills centers and for a few months after while searching for a job or setting up a business, such as welding, machining, agricultural practices etc.

Only people who are seriously physically challenged should get the stipend without any conditions

Dollyak:
lol. Well you've failed. Stick around, then you will know I am superior to you in everyway. Fingers are not equal and I can tell you are not, and will never be equal. You are an inferior being(your new name).

You need a real job to work on your stupidity and reformat your shallow thinking, one of my businesses in Lagos needs 2 marketers, you may apply but i seriously doubt you can pass the interview. If you want to give it a try you know what to do

I know fingers are not equal

Dollyak:
Imagine the fool. The hot sun in Nigeria must be sucking his brain fluid.

It will be very difficult for you achieve anything meaningful with your life as you keep aligning with losers. You have demonstrated zero critical thinking since you joined this thread.

Dollyak:
You are devoid of critical thought. Continue living your stupid life while Tinubu laugh at your stupidity in his mansion. I am still being fed... lol. You wish... let's be humble. Kvnt

Go and stop him from laughing in mansion with silly post on nairaland, and its the foolish statements you make here you refer to as critical thought. You still need more schooling, try and hold down a job not to talk of conceiving any meaningful entity, the come back here to talk

Dollyak:
See how stupidd you are. Now think deeply about this. Gosh. Are you capable of that? Naa, I won't hold my breath. Tinubu is a goddamn billionaire in dollars, let that sh!t sink into your cluless skull. You lots have a way of destroying my day with stupidity.

Mugu start the replacement process now with your fellow maggots, it's by typing on nairaland i should have know you are just a kid, still being fed

Dollyak:
Anybody with sense can see this was a tactical mistake by tinubu. My only issue and concern is with Tinubu's strong hold on SW. He is no awolowo or MKO and doesn't care about Yoruba people, except for his selfish interest. I hope people can stop worshipping this man and instead choose a leader that will put our interests first.

Very naive statements, go and replace Tinubu now and come back to tell us how easily you achieved it

“Deliveries to the refineries for domestic consumption remained at 0.45 mbd or 13.50 million barrels during the review month. At an estimated average of $59.55per barrel, the price of Nigeria’s reference crude, the Bonny Light (37º API), rose further by 3.7per cent above the level in the preceding month.

The bold is one incontrovertible evidence we are being scammed. The gross capacity utilization according to the last Minster of Petroleum is 30% yet they get 100% crude oil allocation of 450,000 barrels daily. Who is pocketing the 70% or 315,000 barrels daily.
Now you have a better idea how the election dollars was funded.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
There is no issue.
Cos he developed the fastest supercomputer. Is it a lie

Even that is in contention, tell us did he ever get a Ph.D? If not why is he assuming the Dr. title under false pretenses and yet you worship him, Get your values right bro.