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Seems both sides are still warming up for the big match. I must say, this match has been disappointing so far but don't worry viewers, y'all will still get the match up that you paid to watch.

And Goshap strikes back! This strike is sure to leave a mark on Obadiah's forehead. But wait, where is the real opponent? Is this supposed to be a 2 on 1 match?

^^^ oooo! That punch must have hurt but it seems like Obadiah got the wrong opponent, these google glasses must be confusing him

FOLYKAZE: Welcome to the seasonal wrestlemania XIII.


Last week, we are here watching the great match between Ooman and logicboy. It was a great slam. Sorry, the result of the game will be out coming week.


Today, we are presenting you a survival tournament between our Jewish/christian prophet, bible teacher and minister of God. I will be calling out Goshen360, accuser. And Obadiah777, accused.


#happy viewing

Yes, Folyklaze, this promises to be an interesting encounter. These super prophets have been at loggerheads for quite some time now and the bad blood must have been piling up. Goshen has had enough of Obadiah's weird tactics and is calling him out to an all out battle. Viewers at home, this is a no holds barred match between the Goshmb facilitator and the reincarnated Jew.
This coming in from your ringside announcers, Folyklaze & InspiredbyGod.

Hmmmmn, this should be interesting.
One thing to note: Goshen & Obadiah both claim to have the Holy Spirit working through them. Let's see if the ''Holy Spirit'' will help them to agree or diasgree. Let's commit this brewing battle into the hands of God and ask for the Holy Spirit to grant them inspiration and divine interpretation.

chukwudi44: Sorri bros this is an intellectual and theological debate and not an emotional one.

You are the one trying to Justify what you believe in. I'm just trying to end another pointless debate. No matter what anybody says here, you will still hold on to the belief that Jesus is not Joseph's son, so, what's the point of an ''intellectual and theological'' debate?

chukwudi44: The prophesy did state he would be come from David's lineage.The last time I checked Joseph had no role to play in the incarnation.His only link to David would be through his mother

Now, I know where you are heading to with this. It still wouldn't change anything. You end up justifying the great reverence that Catholics have for Mary but non-catholics still wouldn't subscribe to any of that. The end.

code9: You think the God who kept alive the people that saved the child is a fool ? Be guided in your thoughts. I'll commit you in tonight's prayer

They were praying for a miracle and got nothing. You should have heard them while they were praying, so expectant but yet getting nothing.

dopeJemi:

Listen.. U can't question God, nobody can.. God gave dem d chiLd/chiLdren in d first pLace. He knows wah He is doing, Let God do His thing and u'lL testify abt his miracuLous works and goodness at d End of it alL

I'm not questioning God. only asking questions. Why give them them the children in the first place only to have them die later. I just don't understand these things.

Tpave: can't you see for urself that he exists?

honestly, I haven't seen anything yet. What makes you so sure of His existence?

johnwizey: Na u sabi o

na me sabi? It was just a harmless question.

Okay, I know this question sounds stupid but i beg you guys to hear my case first. I am asking this because of an event that happened yesterday at the place I reside.
I was up studying in the early hours of the morning when I heard heavy prayers from the neighbours next door. It was a family of just three; the man, his wife and their three months old baby. Their baby had fallen ill the previous week and the situation had become worse on this particular day (this is actually their third child, two have already died before). According to the mother, she woke up to find out that the baby was becoming extremely cold. She woke the husband and they started to pray immediately (I don't know why they decided this was the best thing to do). They prayed for close to two hours without getting any significant result. It wasn't long before I heard the woman scream '' make una come help me oo, my pikin wan die again'' the neighbours head her cries and most of them rushed outside making frantic effort to save the child's life. Thankfully, they were able to avert yet another death. These are my questions
*Does God exist?
* If God exists, why did He refuse to hear the prayers of the couple?
* Does God not perform miracles anymore?
* or is this a test to see if they would lose faith?(they might have not lost theirs but mine is becoming shaky)

@op, why are you asking this question? Do you have an already prepared answer but just waiting for comments?
*if it is just a question, then I have no answer because no matter how you look at it, Jesus was not a physical descendant of David.
* if you already have the answer, can you just spare us the trouble of back and forth debates and just tell us where he got the flesh

sidespin: Saints, be aware that every time you give money,
every time you pay tithes, everything you do for the
glory of God is recorded in heaven.

This must be the catch, carry on christianpreneur!

akin emma: mr man,you need to be very watchful of what you say.the greatest sin a man can commit is to sin against the holy spirit and that sin cannot be forgiven.that is what you have just done now.of what use is it to you if someone is speaking `gibberish` as you call it.if you also want to speak in tongues,pray to God to give you the gift.by mocking other people speaking in tongues,you can sin against the holy spirit especially if the tongue was actually inspired by the holy spirit.if such happens then there is no forgiveness for you o.be warned!

umm, such threats don't really work on me anymore. From your post do you mean to tell me that God can't actually forgive ALL sins?

JeSoul: Yes. I have walked into churches/church events and immediately left because I felt the presence of evil. Or a preacher opens his/her mouth and I'll know they're lying. Certain relatives I actually stayed away from even as I child because I knew something was 'wrong' with them. I have travelled to certain cities and known it was a devil's stronghold. Sometimes the discernment is a 'feeling', other times it comes in a dream, other times I may actually 'see' it, other times it is a 'perception', other times it is a 'peace' or an 'uneasiness'... much like the other gifts, one must try to 'practice' and stay sharp.

I don't think words can really explain this; I'll have to experience the Holy Spirit for myself.
Thanks for your time.

Ihedinobi: Would anyone know the difference? Suffice it to say that talking jibberish hasn't appealed to me since I first heard myself speak. I don't know what language it is I speak when I do or what it ought to sound like, but I am conscious that sometimes I actually know what I'm saying. At other times, I have not the slightest idea but I'm strangely aware of something indescribable that both causes the languages and results from it. I'm not always desirous of using the gift anyhow, it usually comes from some sort of pressure within.

All I am asking is if it is a recognisable language or not. For example, a Yoruba man speaking Chinese as the Holy Spirit comes upon him.

There really is only one fruit, like JeSoul said: Love. The other things listed in Galatians 5:22,23 are descriptions and outworkings of Love. I don't know that it is any easier to recognize that you have the Fruit than it is that you recognize that you're human. In both cases, I think you have a great many ways of knowing, but none so effective as looking in the mirror and comparing what you find there with what has been shown to be the true state of having the fruit of the Spirit.

In this case, the mirror is the Word of God. Upon looking into it, any man may know whether or not he has the deposit of Christ.

True, all fruits are the results of love but that very quality is something that is lacking in the life of Christians worldwide, leading me to another question; is the Holy Spirit limited to just a select few?

JeSoul: Gifts I manifest - from a young age I've always been able to 'discern/distinguish spirits' and have a 'knowledge' of things that I may not have necessarily studied. I've never spoken in tongues and some people will immediately say I am not a christian and have never received the Holy Spirit ...my very life is proof that is just not true.

These gifts are given from God, BUT they also have to be used and thereby are being 'developed' as you grow and mature. Your 'spiritual acumen' must be kept sharp by constant 'practice' which comes from fellowshipping with fellow believers and dwelling in God's presence.

Could you be so kind as to throw more light on the discernment of spirit? Do you mean you can recognise if the spirit dwelling in a man is good or evil or is something else entirely?

Ihedinobi: Unknown languages among others.

unknown languages? Do you mean you can speak languages that you've never really heard before or are you referring to the popular ''skiborababa'' thingy?

Lol. Both. Just like an orange tree develops oranges and at a particular point in time appears to suddenly have an abundance of fruit out of nowhere, the Spirit of Christ within me is steadily forming the fruit of Christ within me with my cooperation and manifests it too all the time at various stages of development.

So, the fruits of the spirit are already possessed by a born again believer but he/she will still have to make sure the fruits grow to a mature state. How do you recognise that you have a particular fruit of the spirit?

Thanks @Jesoul & Ihedinobi, your comments were really helpful. Just a few more questions.

* can you both tell me the gifts that you manifest

* The fruits of the spirit; did you have to develop them or did they just come upon you like that?

The truth is not popular. Frosbel, carry on soldier!

teniyi: Your confusion and those of many other people could be solved here. http://www.alislam.org/books/in-bible/index.html.

Thanks for commenting on this thread although your post added no value to the thread. I think your post will be appreciated better in the Islamic section.

It's good that you are giving him a heads up but please, don't try to deter him. These people really need to be set free from their own mentality. If it is the will of God for his life, then so be it.

Good afternoon to you all.
As Christians, we believe that Jesus came to die in order to reunite us with the Father. Before ascending, He promised to send a comforter to the remaining believers on earth. True to His words, a comforter did come during pentecost. The comforter known as the Holy Spirit, filled each believer and empowered them; they become bold and confident, they could now speak other languages, perform miracles, heal the sick and do other amazing things. The Holy Spirit acted as their guide, comforted them and granted them unique qualities that differentiated them from other people (they had the fruits/gifts of the spirit). Fast forward two thousand years into the future, believers still abound but it seems like the Holy Spirit is nowhere to be found. Christians are more divided than the red sea, divided over doctrines & beliefs and they tend to paint a picture of a divided Holy Spirit. Mr A says God is three yet one (revealed to him by the Holy Spirit) and Mr B says God is only one (also revealed to him by the same Holy Spirit). How is this possible? Is the Holy Spirit the cause of all this confusion? Apart from that, the gifts/fruits of the Spirit are nowhere to be found amongst Christian brothers and sisters anymore. For those who claim to have the Holy Spirit, could you be so kind as to answer these few questions of mine?
* Who is the Holy Spirit? (this should be based on your personal encounter with the Holy Spirit. I don't want anyone saying the third person in the trinity- don't start any argument on trinity please)
* Does the Holy Spirit speak? What does the Holy Spirit sound like?
* Do you manifest any gift of the spirit? (prophecy, speaking other languages, discerning spirit, spiritual wisdom, knowledge)
* Why do you think that you have the Holy Spirit?
* How do you recognize that the Holy Spirit is in someone else's life?
* How do you differentiate between your conscience and the Holy Spirit? Or are they the same to you?

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*** You don't have to answer all the questions, just pick the ones you are comfortable with***

lagerwhenindoubt: Ok I agree with you. please give me a strict guideline(s) on who or which groups you can refer to as Christians

Simply put, Jews are under the law while Christians are under grace. The topic is really very wide.

lagerwhenindoubt: inspiredbyGOD says they are not Christians even if they were his Chosen People.. so by his submission everyone before the death of Christ are not Christians they are simply Pagans worshiping GOD of israel in all Paganness this guy is some piece of work

Mr man, there is a diffeence between Judaism and Christianity. I know why I said they were not actual Christians.

Agbeke2013: Na wa 4 u o

I'm very sorry, phone's already sold.

mazaje: The fear of punishment is actually what makes people avoid doing evil most of the time. . .

That means that no one would really be morally upright if there were no punisment attached. This could be true. Nice post BTW on the evolution of morality.

lagerwhenindoubt: I clicked "Like" because nobody likes you

I don't understand this part of your post.

but seriously, what you are talking about (REVENGE) is an action driven by powerful (Human) emotions..we are all human and being atheists does not make it any different. The decision to act on your emotions or let them over-run your love (another powerful emotion) for humanity depends on the level of emotional maturity you have achieved in life.

You asked if I needed God to determine if murder is wrong or not and I asked if an atheist could murder for revenge. Note that most religions don't condone murder for whatever reason

Christians kill based on vengeful feelings to.. ask Joseph, ask David, ask Solomon these are all God's Holy Prophets

Joseph, David, Solomon were not actual Christians.

musKeeto: At this point, read my posts again from the beginning. No one tells an atheist what's right or wrong. In most cases, it is dictated by society. On a personal level, the atheist could differ from others on some issues e.g homosexuality, humanism.

Truth is an atheist or anyone for that matter can choose to be accountable to his family, loved ones or society. An atheist just chooses not to leave such decisions in the hands of a non-existent being.

E.g If Abraham was an atheist, he would have checked into a sanitarium rather than attempt to sacrifice his son. Be fearful of the man who believes his actions are sanctioned by his God. We've seen what damage they can cause.

I clearly get your point now. Society determines what is right or wrong for an atheist but sometimes it is all dependent on the atheist's own views.

musKeeto: Be clear here.

Do you mean
a. An atheist shouldn't revenge.
b. Atheists have no reason to forgive those who may have hurt them.

I'll have to go with ''a'' but that's just my opinion. Why should they go with my opinion? What makes it right? Who decides that option b is wrong?

musKeeto: Not everything will be accepted. For example, in the case of paedophilia, would you like such to happen to your kids?

No one prays for a bad thing to befall him.

Morality is not set in stone. Even the 'believers' find it a struggle living up to the tenets of their religion. Atheists usually wouldn't be bothered about what others believe: if you claim that a God exists, no problem.

But when there's no evidence for that God, and then you come out to claim that God admires or regulates slavery or wants all homosexuals to be punished, then there's a problem.

Being an atheist doesn't exempt one from being responsible to the society. Atheism isn't lawlessness. Atheism is a disbelief in God.

So does this mean that an atheist morality is decided by what the society dictates?