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2 Cor 1:5, 6 For just as the sufferings of Christ are abundant for us, so also our consolation is abundant through Christ. 6 If we are being afflicted, it is for your consolation and SALVATION.

Try harder!

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Col 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

Try harder!

For record purposes, after I answered JMAN's 9 questions, I asked him just 1:

Are you fallible or infallible?

Almost 900 posts later, still no answer.

The problem is that you will deliberately refuse to see it.

The Truth is a person - Jesus Christ.

Even your Religion has no choice that to accept this.

Mohammed says the Bible and Torah are divine.

These books show Jesus to be God...The way, The Truth and The life.

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]ok brethens
I will go with the weapon of prayer......[/quote]Dear sister, the weapon of prayer is the most power.

God bless you.

St. Dominic also went with prayer...and action...and words.

So did Jesus and all his Apostles.

So did the missionaries.

So will I.

I get your point. I hope you get mine.

Cheers.

damerry: ^^^ Go tiger it's in you. More power to your elbow.
God bless us all.

Let us pray 4 our separated bretherns, that they may not see devotion to Mary as harming Christian unity but promoting it..
We pray o Lord.....

Lord, hear our prayer.

Bidam: Did Jesus go to the cross before OR after that statement? Once his blood was shed no more sacrifice for sins. Our sins are automatically forgiven once we are born again by the incorruptible seed of God which lives and abide in us FOREVER.

So you are saying Jesus wasn't referring to you?

Bidam: No A born again CANNOT sin. God does not see us.He sees Christ in us.Short and simple.

Oh...you choose to re-answer this question.

Why then can you not tell me if Jesus was not referring to you when he said "say...forgive us our sins" "without ceasing?"

A born-again can sin. Yes or no?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]lol
Jeez brethens. you really do not have to compete with these guys.[/quote]We are talking about ignoring their insults and talking positively about our faith. That's not competition. [quote author=Maria-Goretti]whatever you do or say, they will still attack.But one thing you should know is that they will never prevail.

i personally know what i blive in and you guys do too..... I just hope you dont loose focus.

allow God to do this for you please....[/quote]It is my duty and yours to do and say what we can to counter heresy. St. Dominic (who was handed the Rosary by Our Lady) is well known for travelling long distances on foot to preach and 'fight' against heresy. There are many other Saints like him. If not for the doggedness of people like that, you might have never had this faith you cherish so much. You, in turn, owe it to the next generation of Catholics to do what you can to protect and propagate these truths and pass it unto them. If you allow the weed to outgrow the crops, waiting for God to come down from heaven and do something, one day your Children will look around and, seeing only weed, think weed are the crops.

If the Catholic missionaries just said "I know what I believe" and didnt spread the truth to us amidst what looked like competition from Anglicans, imagine what you'd be today.

St. Dominic didnt wait for Jesus to come down to preach against heresy. I wont too.

anochuko01: yeah, i'm born of God...and i'v commited a sin since then. Bt dat doesnt mean i cnt live without sin, its because i'm nt fufiling my spiritual obligatns. Its something i'v practised and it works perfectly.
However, no humble person would come out to call himself perfect even if he knws he is.

Bidam has called himself perfect.

My point is that a "born-again" can sin...and you agree.

Shikena!

^^^

I think I should...may God give me the fire to restart tomorrow.

harbiola1: Honestly, none of us can teach one another. The truth may be hiding but we can all find it through one another.

So you admit it is possible you haven't found the truth?

Bidam: It's either you re mistaken or you are a dishonest liar. Go thru our conversation. I did answer your question.And you shamelessly asked another. I am at liberty not to answer but to reply with my own question since this is not a court session ok?

Let's just assume Jesus wasn't referring to you.

His referring to you would mean you sin all the time...

...and you have said you never sin.

I also think it's best to ignore people like that.

The only way these people seek to validate themselves is to attach Mother Church.

They love it when you respond to them because they just get more opportunities to attack the Church.

voltron: So how do you explain him going to hell.. only the sinners go to hell.. mind you he was the sacrificial lamb who carries the sins of the world.. and he did get angry smashing stuff at the temple did he not

Jesus had no sin.

I am not ready to discuss this...not now.

Mintayo: Well,i guess no one in this thread will have anything concrete to say until they support your invented fallacy,no?

Still contributing nothing...

Bidam: Answer my question jor

You avoided my question twice, only to ask yours. This is now the 4th time I'm asking:

Was Jesus referring to you or not?

I continue to say it...

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

harbiola1: Which matters, The Message or The Messanger?

Who are you to teach us what the true message is?

You've been noticed, attention seeker.

JMAN05: Two of them can decide whether any one is to make a submission. as for me, this is not what I had in mind when I formed the thread. I formed it with a view to being an active participant before Italo started his trick.

The bold is true, and I know that Italo is more guilty of this just to prove his point. the italized bold says it all.

What did you have in mind?

An SSS interrogation room where you the special agent gets to cross-examine Italo the suspect without having to answer any of Italo's questions...

...or a thread where you can just vomit you frustration, envy and hatred for Catholicism without any regard for reason, logic, scripture and history?

POPE II: ^ you see what I'm talking about? Kindly hide this, insults are forbidden and insulting people's belief

POPE II: HBYG I was serious, kindly hide this nasty comment

They will first pretend they didn't see your complaints.

Then when they respond, they'll either tell you the insults are mere opinions or they'll just say some other meaninglessness things and do nothing.

Why? Because you're Catholic.

Bidam: What do you understand by the nature of Sin( notice the capital S it comes with in scripture) and the act of sins.

Aha! I keep saying it that lies go roundabout.

'When you pray, say..."forgive us our sins" "ceaselessly. "'--Jesus Christ.

He wasn't talking to you?

harbiola1: Christians are CONFUSED PEOPLE.

IDOLATORS OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

TRINITARIANS WILL BY NO MEAN MAKE THE HEAVEN.

YOU GUYS DON'T WORSHIP GOD.
IF YOU ARE PRAYING, SINGING, DANCING, TALKING... IT IS JESUS.

CHECK YOURSELF AND
HELP YOURSELF... APPROACH GOD IN AN ACCEPTABLE MANNER.

And who are you to teach us how to approach God?

macof: I see u want me to play fairytale

And u are really a fool with this "G" "g" u are doing.

Ur God lives in a mountain. Psalms 132:13
After he relocated from his former home in a mountain in Midian Exodus 3:1

Sorry but my God is not restricted to one place and doesn't live in mountains, he instead gives the likes of ur God mountains to live in

Since your major tool for arguing is cheap needless insults, I think it's unwise to keep dignifying you with my response.

Mintayo: An what did you do when Bidam answered you?
Continue in your delusion.

You obviously have nothing concrete to add.

You just feel compelled to talk anyway.

It makes you feel like a winner, I guess.

Bidam: I believe scriptures don't contradict each other. You falsely accuse mintayo of going round about in circles, while you are doing same here. I don't think i have the luxury of time for CARNAL questions.

I am not going roundabout. I am asking direct questions to test your claims.

Jesus taught us to pray "forgive us our sins" "without ceasing."

He was only referring to sinners, not impeccable you?

voltron: Even Jesus Christ was not without SIN.. being Born Again does not mean without SIN it means having the grace and growing a back-bone to resist temptation and begin living for Christ..by no means is it a badge of Righteousness as previously thought

I beg your pardon!

Jesus was without sin.

adsonstone: It is NOT travesty.

The way you answer for the RCC is travesty.

By the way, you have failed to answer what I asked and also defend what you said (that those who think Peter's life teachings are in those epistles) are dull ones.

So, permit me to see you as a 'duller' one (who believes Peter's life teachings are not in those epistles yet, unable to provide just two of Peter's teaching outside the Epistle....perhaps, from tradition).

^^^
Are these the bible verses showing essential and non-essential doctrines I requested?

adsonstone: The bold is true.

I agree with it.

When the Holy Spirit uses someone, the person becomes infallible in doing/saying what the Holy Spirit has inspired/is inspiring.

The person doesn't necessarily become infallible. The Holy Spirit can speak through the High priest, a donkey or even fire. It doesn't mean they understand it, much less teaching it.

Infallibility entails the totality of revealed truths.

Anyone can speak a truth even without the influence of the Holy Spirit. It doesn't make them infallible on any matter.

adsonstone: The Holy Spirit used Caiaphas to prophesy of Jesus' sacrifice, so Caiaphas wasn't wrong....just as He the Apostles to write the Epistles and other inspired men to write other scriptures....who (perhaps), may be wrong in other things.

Oh! At least you have finally shown you've learnt one thing from me: that the Holy Spirit can speak through one who is in error on other truths of faith and morals.

However, the Church, unlike Caiaphas cannot teach error on any matter of faith and morals. It is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

adsonstone: Now to Romans 2 that you have been talking over and over about.

What does it mean?

That the teaching that only people who believe like you and Chris Okotie will be saved is a lie.

adsonstone: Later, you'd say I'm interpreting literally.

Is this your non-literal interpretation?

If it is, indicate and let us continue.

Col 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

adsonstone: Christ is the sole mediator between God and Man....according to the Holy Spirit.

I don't know why you and the RCC want to 'forcefully' include other mediators.

Christ's priesthood is mediatory. Anyone who shares in it shares in mediation.

Praying to God for a man is mediation between God and man.

adsonstone: Yes, I also know the bold that the Apostle Paul knows and states in Romans 2.

Afterall, everyone even knows that nothing is impossible for God.


It is so pathetic that the RCC has twisted the message of 'God can Save' people outside Christ to 'God WILL save' people outside Christ.....as if they are God.

Smh.

Another LIE!

Show me where the Catholic Church says "God will save" and not "God can save."

And you didn't know it until I showed you...and it took you ages to acknowledge it. At some point you were even saying I was misinterpreting Rom 2.

adsonstone: Wait!

Are you trying to deny what you declared?
Or are you scared you will be further exposed that you said such?

Or will you deny saying all these again?

It is just so sad that you (may) still choose to deny what you say even before all the witnesses on this thread and even, you say that I lie against you.


Anyway, perhaps its not your fault.
Its the usual thing you do when you are exposed___try to deny and ask where you said that.

You have been saying men are redeemers/co-redeemers of men (as shown in the posts above) until you were exposed by Truthislight.

Thanks to Truthislight that showed where the Psalmist said men cannot redeem men....and suddenly, you changed your speech to 'I'm lying against you', 'show me where you/the RCC said that' and all sort of denial.

I never said "men redeem men." And you haven't shown me where I said that.

The Holy Spirit says men suffer for the salvation of men.

...And any co-worker with God's work is a co-redeemer, since God's work on earth is redemption.

adsonstone: Just own up and say you don't understand what that verse means but just stating it as you think it is.

If you really understand; state what is 'lacking' in the afflictions of Christ (for redemption) that Paul was filling.

Col 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

Direct your questions to St. Paul and the Holy Spirit.

adsonstone: That is mediation from your own imagination.....not necessarily of the Holy
Spirit.

Praying to God on man's behalf and suffering for his salvation by God is mediation.

adsonstone: In the first place; what did I claim 'infallibility' in? (Just answer honestly)

and what if I wasn't speaking infallibly....like the Pope...

You claimed to be infallible.

You claimed to be always right when you interprete scripture or teach on matters of faith and morals.

You were wrong when you taught about the Bible.

It means you lied...as is your custom.

And while you taught wrong, you made us believe you were certain of what you were saying since you were being guided by the Holy Spirit...as you're doing now.

You just proved that you're just one of those who teach false doctrine and say it's the Holy Spirit.

Remember what happens to those who sin against the Holy Spirit.

harbiola1: I know that according to the bible Jesus is God.

My question is;
WHY ARE YOU NOT WORSHIPING THE GOD(a.k.a FATHER) THAT JESUS WORSHIPED?

Who said we dont worship the Father?

You just make up your own ridiculous assumptions.