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@OP, your topic is false.

The Pope never condemned "any" personal relationship with Jesus. He condemned supposed personal relationship "without" the Church.

Please change the topic in the spirit of honesty.

And the Pope's statement is even backed by scripture. Scripture never encourages such a personal relationship, but condemns it in many ways. I will give you instances if you cannot remember them.

I am Catholic and I have have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Infact, because I'm Catholic, through the Church, I have a more personal relationship with Jesus than you, a non-Catholic, can ever dream of.

At every mass, Jesus offers me his whole self: body, blood, soul and divinity. He comes into my body and my soul.

It cannot get more personal than that...and that cannot happen without the Catholic Church.

Too late. The abomination was committed when King Henry XVI started the Anglican Church so he could freely commit adultery.

No need to complain now.

@ OP, who should we blame?

Hindus?

jnrbayano: The only one who knows the history of my name without having to give him a clue.

Impressive bro impressive!

That became my nickname after the France 98 world Cup. a friend started calling me that and before I know it it got stalk to me like stain

E don tey wey we don dey watch ball na...

But wetin dem say Rome do dem now?

Abi devil just dey push dem as usual to suck blood...

FrancisTony: You ID sounds like a yoruba name, 'Uncle Bayo'!

It sounds like an ex-brazilian defender: "Junior Baiano."

jnrbayano: Yeah.

I know you must have lost a few of those Atheists you regularly debate with. Thanks to Nairaland Amnesia

How do you do?

How do you do, brother?

Whether the Atheists are there or not, our faith is ever ancient, ever new. Ever meaningful, ever living. We have something to live for...something that is bigger than everything the world has ever known.

At the end of each debate, we continue to live in and for that thing...they continue in nothingness.

*I don start tori again*

Good morning.

What exactly did the Catholic Church accuse others of...while practising same?

Where did the Church make these accusations and where did it engage in such practises?

Simple answers (with evidence) will determine if the Church is hypocritical on this matter or not.

Over to you adversaries of the Catholic Church.

Good morning friends. ..

Longest time.

Ifelove1: Bieng born again means giving your life to christ. I.e believing he is the son of God and confessing that he is the lord.... Romans9

"Water and Spirit," says Master Jesus.

Baptism!

Pastor Olu T: U guys are impossible to deal with n I rest my case here, obviously u know nothing about the scriptures n the understanding of the scriptures is so shallow.

My prayer for u guys is to be saved n not lose Heaven, though doctrines saves no man bt when one refuses some basics through pride, ignorance, upholding religion/doctrines of men more than the word of God, then there might be problem.

NB And pls nobody should quote me again after this, if anyone wants to learn read my thread "Be bornagain".

Stay blessed n remain rapturable

All this because we refuse to abandon God's Church and follow your new and erroneous interpretation of scripture?

Bidam: Is the word born again not in your bible? Did you see water baptism written there? Are you saying people that were baptised by John need also to be baptized by Jesus? Who baptized Jesus? Was Jesus Not full of the Spirit right from Birth?Even at that Who baptized John? Was John not full of The Spirit from birth? You are the people fooling yourselves here.The order according to scriptures is firstly repentence then baptism not the other way round.We are justified by Faith in Christ Jesus by believing and confessing His Name before baptism..
Even Paul spent three days knowing Him(Jesus) when he was blind before he was baptized by ananias

Baptism implies and involves repentance.

That makes your submission above irrelevant.

adsonstone: It has been synonymous with being born again because it has something to do with being born again... (Water) Baptism is not being born again in itself......and as you rightly said exactly as Jesus defined: born again = Born of water, Born of spirit.....and not as Italo generalized that born.again=being baptized.

The bone of contention is now
what is 'born of water'?
..and what is 'born of Spirit'?

Being baptized requires the use of WATER and the work of the SPIRIT.

So being born again = beign born of water and Spirit = being baptized.

Pastor Olu T: Why should it always be about individual churches? Christ never came to die for any individual church bt his body (the universal church which is made up of individual xtians). But unfortunately people would rather uphold n fight for their individual church than Christ, whereby most of the church is alien to Christ. My problem has always been about practices against the clear teaches of Christ n never individuals, in fact I relate with people from all walks, bt when it comes to the truth I dont mince word.

We Catholics dont "fight" for "individual Church."

We fight for the one true Church that Christ founded on St. Peter 2000 years ago.

Sorry about that!

adsonstone: is this the rcc's definition of baptism?

State how (water) baptism is that of the Spirit.

Is the above your definition of being born again?...or are you afraid of offering your definition here?

adsonstone: says Italo, not Jesus.

Why dont you tell us what Jesus said then?

adsonstone: how hard is it for a roman catholic to comprehend the words of Christ.

In the worthless opinion of a deeper lifer.

Pastor Olu T: My bro I just dont understand o, its not just Catholics bt all forms of religion, its like modern day "zombies" where people are ready to die for their believes no matter what.

I remember speaking to a woman several years ago showing her scriptures which she cant refute, after everything she said no matter what she would die a catholic just as francisTony is doing right now. Also a religion besides me their prayers everyday is that nothing should ever take them out of that religion n God should kill them in that religion They dont care about salvation or where they spend eternity, their own is that they will die Catholics, I just dont understand its like a cult or something?

The devil knows how to quote scriptures...probably better than you. Yet you are both wrong.

Pastor Olu T: Show me just one place where born of water means water baptism n I will show 5 places where it means the word with explanations.

Lol...you mean with manipulations.

Water is water...even if you kill yourself trying to change it to "word."

Pastor Olu T: Why are u being sentimental, to call urself a xtian n not even sincere. Did I ever say he answered the question, all I said is u r requesting for answer when urself dodged the one post to u.

Well what should I have expected from one who always defend man's doctrine/organization as against Jesus?

Did I say you said so, Mr 'can't read and understand?'

Why attack me when I'm talking to someone who cannot even answer the fundamental question which I answered?

Answer: because I'm Catholic. Mr Bias.

Pastor Olu T: The first one is Ephesians 5:26, it was a mistake, washing of "water" by the word. The church was gotten by the washing of water by the word.

Neither does the above say "water=word."

Pastor Olu T: lol, now I see where u stand, u chose to believe whatever u want. In fact I am short of words to u n dont know where to start, are u a xtian at all? U said those scriptures I quoted says nothing about bornagain, so u expect to see it verbatim, are u still in kindergarten? U guys are just so funny, u claim the worship of Mary was inferred n not verbatim n this u want it to be verbatim, I weep for u. Dont worry I will give it to u if dont run away anyways.

Ok what about 1Peter 1:23 that was verbatim that we are born again by the uncoruptible word of God? Lets start with that since u seek word for word.

Whatever u choose to believe is ur choice, continue to follow the doctrines of men n see where it leads u.

Stop lying, "pastor." I never said the bold. I said the verses dont say "water=word"...and they never will!

"Born of water and Spirit" is "born of WATER and SPIRIT."

macof: You must be a fool then
Because Mecelliot was the one who invited me here by making a comment about pagans.

Paganism is still the father of your religion

Aha! The desperation, confusion and paranoia are boiling over. The only way you have left to argue your case is by petty insults. And you have suddenly jumped from the OP (who didn't address you) to Mecelliot.

More and more, you prove the irrelevance of paganism.

^^^

And to think he calls himself "pastor" - 'shepherd!'

You really do worry for his "sheep."

Pastor Olu T: Wrong, to be bornagain simply means to be born of water=word and the Spirit=HolySpirit. Meditate on these scriptures if u will Ephesians 5:25, John 17:17, James 1:21, 1Peter 1:23 amidst so many other scriptures. And if u will u can check my thread, so much NL xtians!

Nowhere in those verses does it say that "water=word."

Stop the desperation.

Pastor Olu T: Have u given answers urself? U pretended as if u didn't see my post.

Let's see if you have been reading the thread or not...

italo: To be born again is to be baptized (born of water and Spirit)...shikena.
It is not to go in front of the "church" and say "bla bla"

That was my answer to the fundamental question from the OP: "What does it mean to be born again?"

Now can you show me where Bidam attempted that question, Mr Bias?

Pastor Olu T: Did u read the post? It has nothing to do with water baptism, the water there means the WORD!

If one dont know the basics of xtianity then ow can they go into "weightier matters"?

So says Pastor Olu T, not Jesus.

Bidam: I trust they do and that is why italo's answer will go a long way to settle issues here.

Maybe you need to start giving answers too.

mba emeka: I thank my God that not all Roman Catholics I know are of the sort that we obtain here on NL. They are born again, tongue talking, seed sowing, disease healing, demon casting christians preaching the word. Of course I have heard or seen them do a few things that are inconsistent with the truth about Gods word but I thank God at least the scales are falling off. Very soon they would comprise of an assembly of powerful christians waiting for the rapture. Afterall Jesus said he isn't going to come back for a feeble praying to angels, bowing to mary statue, the Pope is infallible church.

Please translate to English Language.

Bidam: Are you saying a baptized baby is born again?

Are you saying he/she isnt?

italo: If they were, you wouldn't be so restless and paranoid.

macof: Tell that to Christian evangelist and the Op of this thread

Let's see the OP:

FrancisTony: This thread is dedicated to devoted catholics. Lets meet and discuss about our doctrine.

^^^Clearly, he wasnt even addressing you. He was addressing "devoted Catholics" but you are just so restless and paranoid because you are craving the relevance that you do not have.

It's so bad that you don't even know what the thread is about or who it is addressed to.

macof: Lol so ignorant
Pagan practices are the most relevant in the world, it as always been and would always be

If they were, you wouldn't be so restless and paranoid.