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shdemidemi: What is the difference between Paul's gospel and Christ's gospel?
Romans 2
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.(Paul speaking)

We should be asking you. It is you who says there are two different gospels. Paul's and Jesus'.

shdemidemi: I called you a liar because you said Paul's gospel got commissioned by the other disciples.. what can be more misleading than that.

You are still a liar because I did not say the devil compiled the bible- I said God can use the devil to achieve His will-SIMPLES

I could not have said so because I dont believe in "Paul's gospel," I only know of Jesus' gospel.

I said Paul went to the apostles to validate and confirm his preaching.

Who then compiled the Bible?

I dont understand what you are saying. Are you saying that everybody has the authority to teach God's doctrine?

shdemidemi: what chapter please?

The one in which God told men to pick some books and discard others, to compile the Bible and read it.

shdemidemi: exactly.. if you ever come here to ask silly questions, you shall surely get the same treatment.

you agent of the son of perdition.

God bless you.

bishopjoe02: are u sure u r a student....im given u the history of the bible u are talking about a common name...how are u sure is even catholic that call that holy book bible self.....do u have prove

Maybe it was Oyedepo.

Both of you dont seem to know that Timothy and Paul were bishops...and the people listened to them.

shdemidemi: The bolded seem to be the only truth I drew from your post..Thanks a lot for that statement.

I can echo that statement until that liar called italo can discern

As for the rich and poor issue- Was Apostle Paul A rich man?

What lie have I told?

You are the one who says there are two gospels. That God used the devil to compile the Bible. That everything we believe must be in scripture, then you turned around to say it doesnt matter, only our faith matters.

Yet you call me a liar.

shdemidemi: Joker, same strategy every time. I guess your pope told you he inspired the collation of the bible

Dear brother, you've been noticed. Bye.

bishopjoe02: Here is a short history of the Bible.

1. Old Testament

The Old Testament was written by Moses, David and Solomon, prophets, seers and kings. There was no "church" of any kind to claim responsibility for it. God inspired individuals to bring God's word to the people. The Old Testament is the recorded revelation of God up until about 400 BC.

2. The Inter-Testamental Period

The time between about 400 BC and about 5 BC is usually called the Years of Prophetic Silence. This is because God created a process that lasted 400 years to create a world climate ready for the coming of the promised Messiah. There was no "church" at this time, either. But there was the new creation of the "synagogue," since the Jewish people needed to worship God and did not have the Temple when they were in exile. When many came back 400-500 BC, they already had functional synagogues; and even though the Temple was being rebuilt by those returning from exile, the synagogue idea remained and more were built. This was the beginning of the "congregation" or "church" as we have it today.

But there was no Scripture being written during this period. That was yet to come after one came "in the spirit and power of Elias" (Luke 1:17).

3. The Time of Christ

It is likely that Matthew (Levi) the tax collector and later disciple of Jesus took notes of what happened during Jesus' ministry. However, it is also true that were God in the flesh living among you, His words would burn into your soul. I am sure, as the apostles clearly recollected as they wrote the New Testament (2 Peter 1:16-21; 1 John 1:1-3; 4:14), they could not escape the image and words of Jesus Christ, God the Son and Son of God, when He spoke into their hearts (Luke 9:44; 24:32).


The Church Age

When the apostles wrote their letters, the congregations received them. They read them. They spread them. They copied them for other brethren in Christ Jesus. And they recognized their authority in the Christian's life. So the Scriptures were produced by men of God, not by "the church." But they were produced FOR the church.

The last book of the Bible was Revelation, written about 96 AD, just before the apostle John died around 100 AD. After the apostles died, the churches continued to collect the letters they did not have, to read them and understand the authority under God by which they wrote.he flesh living among you, His words would burn into your soul. I am sure, as the apostles clearly recollected as they wrote the New Testament (2 Peter 1:16-21; 1 John 1:1-3; 4:14), they could not escape the image and words of Jesus Christ, God the Son and Son of God, when He spoke into their hearts (Luke 9:44; 24:32).

The word "bible" does not appear in this your "history."

What sort of fake history would not even tell us how the name came about?

Can you tell Nigeria's history without mentioning "Nigeria?"

Where do the books of Acts of Peter, Gospel of Barnabas fit into this your history?

truthislight: Care to give evidence, facts and figures ?

Eg. RCC is not about 40 billion dollars rich.
But so so and so...........rich.

Better yet, why not do the better work of addressing his points, point by point ?

Do you wish we take your word for it ?

Well then, be my guess.

Peace.

My dear friend in Christ. That story is a LIE. Why are you so-called followers of Christ so fascinated with lies?

At least admit Pope John Paul II never said that before we can start discussing the fabrication.

bishopjoe02: Paul have followers, thousands of them, which can be call members why he is the pastor, just the way David Oyedepo have members and he is the pastor. that is why i told you not to call the biblical christian church...its a disciple and follower thing then..if u relate it to today church, we can call Davide Oyedepo a leader why the members are the followers.

David Oyedepo get his clarification fromm the bible and the holy spirit..."i will send u the comforter which will teach u all teaches"

were is it in the bible that catholic church is the first church.

Exactly what I am saying. You are a customer of Oyedepo and his shop, I am a follower of Christ and his Church.

It is the Catholic Church that brought about the Bible.

Doesnt that tell you the whole story?

The Catholic Church.

St Paul went to the Apostles to be commissioned...and St Paul never founded a Church.

St Paul went preaching the teachings of the one true Church...and even went to get clarification on his preaching from the apostles.

Who gave Oyedepo permission to found his personal Church and preach his personal doctrine? Who does he seek clarification from?

What does

shdemidemi: What does it matter. Do you believe the bible is God's word?

Yes, because it was compiled by God's Church.


Where was the bible compiled? In the devil's abode or not?

The Spirit's guidance in teaching God's doctrine is limited to the Church fathers.

No one else has the authority to teach God's people. Especially not a fallible heretic.

shdemidemi: What part of the scripture did your pope say that?

The part of scripture in which God told men to pick some books and discard others, to compile the Bible and read it.

bishopjoe02: i worship in a church not a shop...WINNER CHAPEL AKA LIVING FAITH CHURCH

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When was it founded?

It is the one Jesus referred to as "my church" 2000years ago, or is it David Oyedepo's "church?"

shdemidemi: ERROR...

That is the duty of the Holy Spirit and not the four walls you call a church.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jesus was saying that to the first Church fathers.

shdemidemi: WRONG WRONG WRONG.. the pope gave me nothing, I don't know if he gave you his bible.

The Holy Scripture is totally inspired by God, authoritative, inerrant and God breathed.

You were told that by the Pope. So if the pope is satanic, you're doomed.

Why am I the only one who has to answer a wuestion here? Arent you being partial in your judgement?

shdemidemi: ok, you actually know in parts. Your knowledge or mine can never be a standard, you can discard anything you find to be my opinion by telling me what the opinion of God is through the scriptures.

It will still boil down to my interpretation of scripture against your interpretation of scripture which arent perfect.

Thats why we have to let the Church interpret for us. The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth, not the Bible. It was your beloved St Paul that said so.

shdemidemi: answer a simple question, you deluded disciple of the apostasy.

What have I done to deserve this. God bless you.

shdemidemi: So you say...the bible says you all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness by following the doctrine of seducing spirits. We both agree the pope is on his own with the satan, right? But the bible says you also might be damned by following those doctrines.

If that were the case, we would all be doomed. The pope gave us the Bible which you adhere to. If the pope is satanic, then the bible is satanic.

bishopjoe02: and wats d name of dis church

You havent even tried to describe the shop in which you worship.

My thought has definitely changed. Now I know you preach your personal opinion.

shdemidemi: Ok, I think I get what you mean. You are there because, it is a temple of God, you don't follow their doctrines like calling Mary your mother, staying celibate to enhance holiness, doctrine of universality, reverencing images etc. Right?

You "think!"

As usual, your thinking is flawed...to say the least.

Oh, I thought you only preach God's word.

Now I know you are preaching personal opinion.

No.

Where was the bible compiled? In the devil's abode or not?

shdemidemi: Ultimately the epistles have all the doctrines we need as a church.

Is this what God said? If so, show me. If not, where did you get it from?

shdemidemi: 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Thank God you agree the pope has a case to answer but His followers too shall also be condemned, don't be too comfortable.

The pope has a case to answer. His accusers have a case to answer. Every human being has a case to answer.

But we are glad to be in the temple of God.

shdemidemi: Let me help you here, anything contrary or anything that as no precedence from the bible, especially the epistles written to the church by Paul should not be accepted.

Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed

Most of St Paul's preaching were done by word of mouth, not by writing...and definitely not in the Bible.

Infact there were many things St Paul would not put in writing but would only preach when he visited in person.

bishopjoe02: Which of d church do u worship?

The only one Christ founded.

In which of the shops do you worship?