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shdemidemi: is it about the compilation or when it was compiled? all we are saying is, do you believe the scripture?

The question was for boomark, but if he has hired you to be his spokesman, then answer the question.

shdemidemi: No it wasn't your fathers like you claim. Paul himself addressed his epistles to different churches in different cities and countries. He single handedly spread the gospel through preaching and letters.

He didnt single-handedly do anything. Even he went back to the first Church fathers to validate what he was teaching. He didnt go back to the Bible or scripture.

How do you know it was the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul? Did you ever see Paul?

Boomark: You have not seen anything yet. For the sake of men, he will chose to ignore the scriptures.

Their church fathers did not compile the "book of the word of God" i use ie the holy scripture. I hope you use the same book.

Who compiled the book you use and where and when was it compiled?

@frostyzone,

Can you tell us how and when the Catholic Church started well and how and when it got corrupted?

shdemidemi: ^^^ go to Acts chapter 18' you will see how a man called Apollos was taught the gospel of grace before the collation of the bible by your so called fathers. The churches in Corinth, Galatia, colosse, Ephesus, Thessalonica and the rest had the gospel of grace and the epistles before the bible was cannoned. Don't come here to speak trash.

The first Church fathers were the apostles. The ones that compiled the Bible were the successors of the successors of their successors.

shdemidemi: Hmm I see you are far gone in to apostasy through the wisdom of men of perdition. You would rather believe a fellow man to the scriptures you agree God inspired the collation.

This has nothing to do with previous posts.

You have alluded to the fact that:

1. God didnt tell you to read the Bible.

2. The Catholic Church compiled the Bible.

Obviously you also believe in fellow men. The Catholic Church fathers who gave us the Bible and called it "Sacred Scripture."

shdemidemi: Are you an Israelite by any chance? Is Joshua a Christian?
Before we even talk about the rubbish you are spewing, answer the questions.

Is it possible to worship God in spirit and in truth, yet prostrate before images?

If you answer mine, I will answer yours.

shdemidemi: Are you so blind to see. Is any man on the face of the earth infallible,? If you agree that God inspired the collation, why don't you follow what has been collated, why would you then follow humans who God used to collate the bible.

Are you that foolish?

If God has used the Catholic Church to compile the Bible then I trust that God continues to use it to interpret the contents of the Bible to fallible and unstable human minds like ours. In fact God has been using his Catholic Church to teach his flock even before the advent of the Bible.

If no man is infallible, then why are you claiming infallibility for yourself?

shdemidemi: That is what happens when one is inspired by the Holy Spirit, He is the same God that calls things that are not as if they were. Paul might not know but it was not Paul speaking at those times, The Holy Spirit spoke through Paul.

How do you know it was the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul? Did you ever see Paul?

Was it not these same Catholic Church fathers that told us that the epistles were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

shdemidemi: Of course, there was the Old Testament and he knew what he was doing when he taught Timothy the new revelation that should be taught after he leaves. In the days of God's power, His people shall be willing. No credit to anyone that collate the scriptures, only God deserves all the glory. If judas did not betray Christ, I wouldn't be saved today, that is not to say judas or the act of betrayal is good. If God used anyone to collate the bible, it does not mean they are good.

PROVIDENCE ...God is always with and for His word, He raised His word higher than Himself.

Two things I managed get from this post.

1. God never told you to read the Bible.

2. The Catholic Church compiled the Bible.

Thank you!

Boomark: Did God say you should worship Him with images. Didn't your church fathers tell what Jesus said? That we should worship God the Father in spirit and in truth?

God told us so through the leaders of his Church.

Joshua worshiped God in spirit and truth yet he prostrated before images. Are you holier than Joshua?

shdemidemi: Catholics church father would not add the Pauline epistles if they have the power. God is behind is word, not your so called fathers.

Where did God tell you that he added the Pauline letters?

The Catholic Church compiled the Bible and it is they who tell us that they did it by the power and authority given to them by God.

And we all trust the Catholic Church fathers on that...even you haters do.

shdemidemi: When Paul says 15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I dont see where God tells you to read the Bible in that verse. St Paul himself never saw a Bible.

shdemidemi: Seem someone has something he is hiding. Anyway, the bible collation is not the power of any man but the power of God himself. I am sure the bible is true and men can never put what God does not want in there.
1 Corinthians 13
12 For now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim (blurred) reflection [of reality as [e]in a riddle or enigma], but then [when perfection comes] we shall see in reality and face to face! Now I know in part (imperfectly), but then I shall know and understand [f]fully and clearly, even in the same manner as I have been [g]fully and clearly known and understood [[h]by God].

The scripture is described as that which is perfect, no matter who puts it together, God is definitely present through providence for His word to be perfect.

Paul was talking about heaven, not about scripture. You keep twisting God's word to suit your false doctrines.

Where did God ever mention "bible" to you?

It was the Catholic Church fathers that gave us the Bible.

shdemidemi: You are right, but that does not justify the Roman Catholic image or Mary worship. They are both wrong, the bible is our standard, anyone that teaches anything contrary should be accursed.

Catholics only worship God. If we were idol worshippers, you wouldnt make our Bible your standard, would you?

olire: are you sure?

Yes.

shdemidemi: Are you serious? I never knew though. Where did God tell us to make images for ourselves?

Where did God tell shdemidemi to read the Bible?

shdemidemi: It means even Christ that we knew in the flesh, we should not see him as such anymore let alone making a statue of him.

That is not what that verse is teaching. That is simply your own twisted teaching.

If we were to see things from your point of view, it would mean that we cannot make images of anyone since the beginning of the verse says "we regard no one according to the flesh." And I am very sure you have images of yourself and other people.

That's how your false doctrine fell flat on its face.

Am I a criminal under investigation that cannot ask questions too?

Afterall, I answered a question of yours in post 32, why are you scared to answer mine?

italo: Are you kidding me? I should show you where Jesus appointed Church fathers?

I'm guessing you mean I should show you from the Bible, right?

But did you ask this question when you accepted the same Bible that was compiled by the same Church fathers?

I guess not.

Not surprising, considering you are a blatant hypocrite.

shdemidemi: No, show me where he appointed them please.

Are you kidding me? I should show you where Jesus appointed Church fathers?

I'm guessing you mean I should show you from the Bible, right?

But did you ask this question when you accepted the same Bible that was compiled by the same Church fathers?

I guess not.

Not surprising, considering you are a blatant hypocrite.

All the Church fathers. Do you want me to list all the Church fathers throughout the 2000+ year history of Christ's Church?

Because her name is "Mary" and she is a virgin.

Boomark: ^2 Corinthians 5:16

Nice one. They cannot see that they are not bowing before the image of Christ from that bible verse.

simple bible truth cannot be revealed to these people who rely on men for what they should believe about God.

I thought italo should have repented by now but i can see he is still waiting for the church father's to decide before he follows the Word.

It was Jesus that gave us the Church fathers to guide us. I'm sure Jesus didnt make a mistake, or did he?

Boomark: Have you not wondered why God is strictly against using images even when aprons abound? Have you ever wonder why Paul preached against making images even while his apron/shadow brought healing?

Making images is going against His commandment. It corrupts man. Flee from it. Use whatever He gives you(water, sand etc) but don't go about making images of people you don't know and call it God's image or that of His angels or the apostles. Man's imaginations of His image is pure blindness(making what you can't see or have not seen). That results to different images of people with one persons name.

God and Paul were never against making and using images. Quit lying!

shdemidemi: Ashamed of myself cos of that! Please, there are far more cogent issues that makes one ashamed. Think

Not surprised. Hypocrisy is 2nd nature to many of you so-called "Christians." Even the Pharisees would be amazed at you who sees white and calls it black.

"Christian!"

shdemidemi: The point is that no image should take the place of Christ


16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

What has your sentence above got to do with the verse under it?

You sure have never read Luke Chapter 1.

docadams: Mary was the medium through which Christ was born and nutured to adulthood. Pure and simple. After that very little was heard about her. She was not apportioned any special status during and immediately after the death of Christ.
The book of revelation that foresaw many of the great things to come never mentioned Mary playing any significant role in our life. Therefore worshiping her or bowing before her image or any other image for that matter is idol worshiping.
You dont rationalise obedience to God because He is very jealous but very clear in his instructions to his earthly beings. As clear as daylight is from darkness.

shdemidemi: Is everything fine with you? I responded to what the guy wrote not the OP.

You should be ashamed of your hypocrisy. You left the one who attacked another without provocation and you are accusing the defendant of attacking.

What kind of Christian are you...that lacks common sincerity and integrity?

As, usual, I cant understand your point.

Boomark: You should thank God when you start using the Real image of Jesus and not another Italian/italo who existed in 1179. Smh!!!

I will look at the video when you stop worshiping aprons.

You are blaming the Catholic Church for saying to a mother "do not kill your child simply because you are broke. Do not hate your child because you feel he has come to complicate your life. A child is a blessing from God. Love him and do all you can to protect and sustain him, and if you cannot, bring him to us (there are many Catholic charities openly begging women in similar situations), we will take care of him and see if we can get people who are able to sustain and love him."

Why are you so opposed to LOVE and LIFE but fascinated by HATE and DEATH?

Logicboy03: 2) In the cases of two deaths, one could be less painful than one. A mother wanted to abort her 3 weeks baby but no, the catholic church didnt allow it. She gave birth to the baby boy. She struggled feeding him as she had no job, and yet catholic and chirtsian politicians were staunchly against welfare for the poor (no food for lazy man). Worse off, the woman never liked the boy as she never wanted a child. The baby died from starvation and pneumonia from the winter. The mother was jailed for child neglect.

With point number 2, we see a horrible slow death of a baby and the suffering of a mother if 2 things were done

a) Use protection- catholic hcurhc hates condom and in America fought against paying for womens ontraceptive birth pills.

b) Abortion- which the catholic church is against.



smh....some christians can be the most vile and heartless creatures at times

Whats the difference besides location and level of maturity? Why can you not kill your 3yr old to save him from starvation if you can kill the unborn for the same reason?

Logicboy03: The above in bold is quite fallacious and a strawman.

1) A baby in the woman is not the same as a baby living on its own after birth, not to talk of a young child.