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striktlymi: Save your argument for someone who knows little or nothing...

Seriously. Let him tell that to the likes of Frosbel, Boomark etc. They love cheap lies against Catholicism.

This one's just a hater. Not even worth answering.

Read John 1:1-5

successcertain: Jesus story was cooked up to cover up the evil and ding ding racist of the old testament when a man named Satan tried to liberate the soul of the Canaanite from mental slavery by preaching about freedom and offering them knowledge on how to set themselves free from the deception of the Israelite and Arab. Satan was called a race traitor and became an outcast e. ask yourself is God obsessed with evil and bloodthirsty? why would he decided to inflicted so much pain and agony on his only son and watched him surfer greatly? Wake up Africa they are stealing your resouces you are the joke of the 21st century and has always been.

Was about to argue, then I saw this joke, and decided to have a good laugh instead.

More please, I need some entertainment.

Logicboy03: Keep on the strong denial. Anyone denying the abuse and corruption in the catholic church must be a strong liar. You and ubenedictus will make good lawyers, you guys never get angry or shaken by criticisms of the catholic church......that is not the power of faith but faith powered dishonesty.


Google for secular charities an cure your ignorance

You are against abuse and corruption but you are in support of mothers and doctors conniving to kill innocent unborn human babies.

HYPOCRISY!

Logicboy03: Lol....the catholic church did not just watch slavery; it preached it. It was in its canon b Pope Gregory IX in the 13th century. Even the previous pope has made apologies for slave trade http://www.crosswalk.com/789834/

Worse, it was not until the 19th century that the catholic church had a clear and official no nonsense stance against slavery. Shameful.

Lies and half truths. The Pope apologised for Christians that were involved in slave trade; who has apologized for the Atheists that were involved? Abi the Atheists are too few to apologize too? The Church never started, instigated or supported slavery.

Logicboy03: Smh.....heard of separation of church and state? Heard of fraud?

What is the crime, brother?

Logicboy03: Actually, pagans. They had their local farming and herbs to treat people. Guess what? Catholicism was not the sole reason for schools and hospitals in Nigeria, please.Also read about Tai Solarin

If there were any atheists they would be too few to eefect such societal change.

Are they still too few to effect such change? How many Atheist charity homes are there? I don't know of even one. Do you?

Logicboy03: Would like to see catholic missionaries help without preaching the bible and help without beating their chests about their good faith like secular charities do.

Even Jesus preached that charity had nothing to do with religion. The good samaritan. So when you people claim that catholicism or christianity is a good reason for charity, you are creating an ironical situation

Sorry, but Catholics don't exist to do what you would like to see. We exist to do what God would like to see.

Logicboy03: We have evidence for abuse. http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2012/12/montreal-over-30-catholic-priests.html

There are secular charities without abuse and without the religious nonsense of converting and brainwashing.

I see you have deviated from talking about religion IN NIGERIA.

Hoping that one person with common sense can show me Catholicism's crime from the post above...

Logicboy03: Everyone, please look at the two quotes below and realise the main problem with religion;

Logicboy03: What was the original message of catholicism? Non-catholics = fake christians = hell.
Hell is not a message of love.

This is what YOU SAY the Church teaches. It is a lie, as usual.
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Logicboy03: Catholic church was involved in slavery. Remind how christianity came again to Nigeria?

The Church could not have done anything to stop slavery just like it cannot do anything to stop the wars of today, despite its constant calls for peace. Tomorrow, you say "Catholics were involved in the wars" because they sent missionaries to war-torn countries. Common!

Logicboy03: Catholic church has deep connections with government, hence them being corrupt in every country they are in. Take the catholic church in Delta getting millions in offerings from the govt. FOR WHAT?

What exactly is their crime here?

Logicboy03: Catholic church watched and supported slavery in Nigeria/W-Africa for 300 yrs before bringing their education. The first catholic school came in the 19th century to Nigeria....whereas the catholic church had a presence since 16th century

Atheists have been living in Nigeria before Catholicism came. What schools, hospitals, orphanages etc have they established?

Logicboy03: Futhermore, for every free thing the catholic church gives, it gets back in sixfold. They dont help for helping sake. The help to get converts. They had tax-free status and they even get donations apart from offerings.

Random speculation, to put it politely.

Logicboy03: lets not even talk about the suffering and abuse of many children in catholic run charity homes and schools

Talk about the opportunity that Catholicism has given many motherless children, impoverished families etc. At least we have evidence of that. The "abuses" you don't have evidence of (correct me if I am wrong).

ajufinz: She's indeed full of grace, graciously Christ came though her.
However, I'll never pick on the person of Mary.
My ish here is that the prayer to or through Mama Mary does not reach God.

Please provide evidence that all the prayers that people address to God through Mary doesn't reach God.

ajufinz: It promotes idolatory....
Block rosay, Our lady of Fatima, any image we bow to offends God.
The (Roman)Catholic church ride herself of all forms of Idolatory and heracy.

Read Joshua 7 and tell me if Joshua prostrated to images or not.

Also tell me if God was offended or not.

Kay 17: That's the only step? Any Catholic with the desire and the motivation can go to a seminary

These links will be helpful.

http://m.wikihow.com/Become-a-Catholic-Priest

http://behind.ndandp.com/home/learn/qualifications-for-becoming-a-priest.aspx

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=106029

God's blessings as you read and digest.

I will only speak for my religion which is Catholicism. It has largely been a positive force in Nigeria as it has always championed the cause of educating the nation by offering quality education at affordable charges. It has many hospitals and charitable homes/organisations attending to the sick and needy at little or NO cost at all. It has also been a consistent and relentless advocate for peace even in the face of unspeakable and barbaric provocation and persecution e.g Boko haram bombings.

The central message of Catholicism is love. Love for God that translates to love of neighbour, including you.

I don't see how one can consider that as negative.

Kay 17: What are the requirement for priesthood. What special steps does an outsider take to become a priest?

To become a medical doctor, you go to medical school.

To become a Catholic priest, you go to where...? SEMINARY!

jimino: every christian cn do wat d catholic priest do except consecretion. Only duly ordain catholic priest can carry out consecretion during mass.

Can every Christian hear confession and absolve sin?

Kay 17: Ok point out how bad it is.

I don't see the relevance of my listing the duties of Catholic priests to this thread.

Kay 17: Mr italo, it is a very simple question, either the question is a bad one oR there is no answer. Be direct, what special duty do men owe to God that's beyond that of the ordinary Catholic?

Let's just say it's a bad question...to put it politely.

Even all old testament Jews were under the obligation to serve God...yet they had priests.

I'd be glad if you could ask Jesus what further duties the apostles (the first priests) had.

Aha! So let it be.

Only men can serve God as Catholic priests. We Catholics accept that!

Logicboy03: Consent applies to only s.ex and marriage.


Your comment about caging or killing animals is irrelevant

I can't believe this!

If it is wrong to put your pe.nis into a goat, how is it right to put a knife into its throat?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]We are the sovereign Nation of Nigeria and we have our brain. not everything those european countries do has to be right.[/quote]I agree with your second statement...but the first...

What is "our brain?"

inurmind: Now who says everybody will have it? That my friend is a very faulty assumption. There are no such things as absolutes.
Instead I am talking about a variety, one in which everybody is free to do what makes them happy as long "distress is not caused to the individual or harm done to others".

Who decides what is "harm" and "distress?"

What one person considers "harmful" and "distressful"' another might consider as "okay."

Logicboy03: Based on the legal principle of consent. But then, you are not here for facts or reasoning

You seem to think that your definitions of "legal" and "illegal" are pervasive all over the world, even when we know it is not true.

One FACT is that bestiality is illegal in your mind but it is NOT illegal in many countries. Apparently, they don't care about your legal principle of consent.

BELGIUM, DENMARK, FINLAND and many other countries do not care about "facts and reasoning" abi?

Just wondering by what authority you declare it "illegal" since you didn't mention any particular country, that's why I said it is NOT illegal in many countries (regardless of whether they support it or not...or whether the laws are recent or ancient).

Bestiality is NOT illegal in many countries.

[quote author=Da-ny-ell]I am an agnostic and I think that things like homosexuality, beastiality, paedophilia, necrophilia and the likes are against the advancement of the human race and are mental conditions. I mean, what exactly will prompt an healthy able bodied man to leave a beautiful woman (an homosapien like him) to focus on a dog if he still has a functioning brain?[/quote]Those that practise bestiality don't have functioning brains?

What about homosexuals?

Kay 17: ^^ haba, how does that statement amount to a dictate on worship?! Just be clear, yes or no with the necessary expantiation

No, I don't find the statement wrong.

Now answer my question... Who should define how Catholics are to serve God... You or The Catholic Church?

Kay 17: ^^^

But you don't find the statement wrong, right?: all Catholics are under a duty to serve God

I think my earlier statements are sufficient in answering this.

italo: It seems like you are trying to tell us how Catholics should serve God...and I don't like judging people, so I simply asked if it is you who should define Catholic doctrine for Catholics...or the Catholic Church.

Last I heard, the Catholic Church said only men can become Catholic Priests.

Kay 17: ^^ your post obviously disagreed with mine, especially with the sarcasm.

It seems like you are trying to tell us how Catholics should serve God...and I don't like judging people, so I simply asked if it is you who should define Catholic doctrine for Catholics...or the Catholic Church.

Last I heard, the Catholic Church said only men can become Catholic Priests.

greatgod2012: and this is the very reason why Anglican Church of Nigeria is no longer part of Anglican Church of England. The Anglican Church of Nigeria is now on her own.

Why does the "Anglican Church of Nigeria" now decide to pull out from the "Anglican Church of England?" Afterall, the Anglican Church of England was started in order to allow King Henry VIII openly and continuously commit adultery with Anne Boleyn (correct me if I am wrong)...and the Anglican Church in Nigeria remained/remains comfortable with that abomination. Why are now pretending to be shocked at such 'legalization' of pure evil.

Also, how can you claim that the Anglican Church in Nigeria is "no longer part of the Anglican Church of England" when they are still in "full communion" with each other?

Kay 17: Pls point out where I'm wrong. Every Catholic has a duty to serve God, what's wrong with that statement?!

After you point out where I said your statement is wrong...or right...or whatever...

Kay 17: However the Duty is the same among all Catholics irrespective of race.

Who defines Catholic doctrine?

Kay 17?

chillykelly86: Please make out time to study I Corinthians 2:6-16 - {Excerpts}...The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no-one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God(NIV)
If any man has the Spirit of God in him and the Spirit(Who searches all things,including men's hearts) has determined to reveal unto that person what is in a man's heart, that man is said to have discernment. Summarily, it is possible for a man to discern what another man has hidden in his heart.
Example in the early church:- Peter's encounter with Ananias and Saphira.

And if you are sincerely not interested in unnecessary argument, why would you generalize? (But the images we use draw our minds to heavenly things.

Or are you going to tell us that our minds is not being drawn to heavenly things?) Are you speaking for everyone?

Please just answer the question. I never said "everyone's" hearts are drawn to heaventhings through the images "everyone" uses. I said "we." We could be 2, 3, 100 or even 1.2billion Catholics so please answer.

Will/can you tell us that our minds are not being drawn to heavenly things through the images?