Standing5: For the fact that the girls parent were against the 'union' is enough for those almajiris to use their brain and desist from going on with their plan to forcefully convert outsiders and claim gifts from their leaders who secretly support them.
I guess the parents of the Ikorodu girls were in support of the kidnapping. Abeg, pls close your mouth if you do not have any sense.
tit: so you think the statement you may have made her record while you sharpened your daggars will stand in a court of Nigerian law? have you heard that "ignorance is no excuse"? 1) the case is that Yunusa kidnapped a minor. Is that true? 2) Yunusa's father aided and abetted Yunusa in holding the kidnapped minor. is this true? 3) Yunusa's village head provided support for Yunusa to imprison and rape the kidnapped minor. is that true. 4) The Sharia Council aided and abetted in the criminal enterprise of kidnapping, raping, impregnating, and attempted to cover up the crime by changing the identity of the victim from Ese to Aisha! They even issued a certificate of Islamization!!! Is this true? 5) The Sultan of Kano frustrated all police efforts to help the mother recover her child to the extent the police had to flee the palace multiple times in fear of their lives! is this also not true?
Yes indeed, I've also heard that ignorance is bliss - for which it seems you have been condemned to wallow in till eternity, as you obviously seem to lack the necessary intellect to appreciably comprehend the finer issues at hand.
superstar1: What is "this thing" saying? A mere product of paedophilic copulation.
Get a brain, you are playing above your league. Find your way to your little girls abducting sharia court and be communicating in Arabic.
Copulation! Yes indeed, the mechanism of your birth as a result of a village stud being paid to fvck and impregnate your prostitute mother at a baby factory. Born out of wedlock, a bastard without a known father and home training - its no wonder that many of your ilk are criminally inclined and morally challenged. Cannibal, crawl back to your den and chew more on some human bones.
dealslip: I know you understand my point but you are merely pretending to be offended and forming prejudice. My point all along is that your 'evidence 'of minor marriage in the bible was gotten from google and not the bible itself so it doesnt hold water. If you cannot point to the particular verse in the bible, it means you have no point. From the way you write it is very obvious that you are learned therefore comprehension challenge isnt the issue here. I made you understand that the fact that something was written about the prophet on google doesnt make it true if it cant be traced to the quran or hadiths.
LOL, its obvious that you do not understand the workings of the internet in general and that of google as a search engine in particular, and most importantly the essence of my earlier posts.
Well google itself is not a compendium of knowledge holding facts and information on its own, like a reference book e.g. encyclopedia, dictionary, Bible, that has been authored by somebody. It merely provides you with a direct link to the source of the information which you wish to access in various stored formats (books, magazines, newspapers, research publications, data banks etc) throughout the world.
Therefore if you wish to e.g. find out the age at which Mary was betroth to Joseph, all you need to do is type that inquiry into google and it will automatically provide you with the direct links to that information - try it yourself and see.
In the case of the above information, I never claimed it was written in the bible, but inferred that it had been thoroughly researched and concluded she was betrothed at the age of between 12-14 yrs based on the biblical custom and norms for Jewish girls at that time.
As for the age of sexual consent at the Vatican, well that is still in place as a law till today - shey you know that the Vatican is considered and treated as an independent country (within Italy) governed according to canon laws under the Pope.
These are verifiable facts - note, not every true fact about Christianity must be written in the bible.
superstar1: Useles almajiri take your time to educate the likes of Yunusa in your barbaric communities and reform your mentally sick people that are practising ''Abduction islam'', a new version of paedophillic and depraved islam.
I have enough bowls to give out to wandering homeless abductors like you, for you to beg for your daily bread with ease.
Abeg park well somewhere. Human beings are talking, goro-chewing cattle is poking his nose. Mscheeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwww.
Look at you: a cannibalistic bastard, product of baby factory, a descendant of one of the 99.9% prostitutes from that erosion ravaged infertile cursed red soiled axis of beasts from the evil east. What could be more barbaric than a supposed human being that eats its own kind? And you have the audacity to call somebody barbaric - what an irony!
dealslip: I am still trying to detect the shifting of goal post or the fear of facing facts. You said Rebbecca and Mary were married off as minors just to buttress your point that Christian/South should stop flogging the issue that Ese is a minor. I made you understand that writings on google by anybody doesnt make it proof that those characters in the bible were indeed married off as minors. I guess it is safe to say The Prophet is a paedophile since there are also writings on google to justify it. The OP wants to know why Islam was dragged into the matter as per the 'biased' interview with the muslim cleric. I made you understand that since the emir, sharia court and hisbah police were all involved in the matter then Islam cannot be separated from the case. I know you understand what I am saying but you pretend not. I guess Taqqiya has to be employed at this point. You are merely distracting the core of the matter.
You were shifting the goal post because you were evading the fact that these evidences are available and accessible through google. If you regard the prophet as a pedophile then it equally holds that Joseph was also a pedophile for marrying Mary at between 12 -14yrs (the customary age for Jewish to marry in biblical times) and similarly for the Christian god who impregnated her to later bear him a son, Jesus Christ. It is equally correct to hold that since the former Pope was involved in the much publicized cover up of the institutionalize wanton rape of young boys and girls by Catholic priests under their care throughout the Christian world then pedophilia and homosexuality cannot be separated from Christianity - yeah, how do you like that?
chigoizie7: Nope, where the problems lies is the fact that this very case of kidnap and subsequent rape is not peculiar to just yunusa, there are soo many other related cases.
Have u ever heard of aiding and abating of crimes? When u aid and abate, u are as guilty and the 1st offender.
Now, who are the custodians of Islam? Who married ese to yunusa? When d case was initially reported by ese's mother and other victims in such circumstances to the religious clerics and the chief of d clan, what did they do? Are u telling me they didn't know that what ese did was a crime against FG and humanity? Who converted ese to Islam? I bet an imam did. And since an imam saw nothing wrong with what yunusa and his likes did or were doing, then it is attributed to their religious beliefs including the imam and every other person who knew that such things have been happing since time immemorial but choose to keep quiet, probably because it conforms with the doctrines of their faiths.
My brother, let us call a spade a spade and stop calling it a shovel maybe because they are used for similar things.
Most of the people of islamic faiths condemning yunusa's acts are only doing it because it has been blown open. Why are they all speaking up all of a sudden? I am quiet sure that the hausa's that took ese's mum to the north when ese disappeared knew what yunusa was upto as it is a norm, I am also aware that many people are present when one conducts a marriage rites, I am also positive that those people present knew what yunusa did considering the fact that ese has to be converted from Christianity to islam, I am also aware that yunusa has family relatives and friends, they are also aware of what yunusa did. But what did they do? They kept mute, why? Because they saw it as a norm, and what is d definition of norms? It is a principle guiding a group of people, it also associated with their way of life.
So, my brother u have no moral and legal right as to tell me not to associate islam with evil, because that is simply what they are.
How do u know that someone is hausa, igbo, yoruba? It is because of their common traits, ranging from their food,language, mode of dressing, greeting and all that.
So, when I see a group of people doing a similar thing, the right thing to do is to associate them with what they were doing.
My brother where were u b4 ese's case? Let's not forget about yerima's case, because so many islamic clerics and powerful nigerians from the northern divide, probably muslims justified his acts. There was another case where a young girl had to poison d estranged husband for dis very act and confidently pleaded guilty.
Assume d islamic clerics and other custodians of Islam condemned yerima and d girls case, yunusa wouldn't been in this case now, so, na dem dem
Like I will always say.
Islam is a religion of devils by the devils and for the devils. Nothing can change that.
And igbo adage says, "emekaria otutu ihe karia ugboro abuo m'obu ato, oburu omenala"
Here omenala means culture, and culture is the peoples way of life.
Ask an igbo friend to help u translate my adage, I know u have one And den, u,op and your likes have d guts to castigate d man who brought this whole mess to d open, what pathetic stup!dity and imbecil!ty?
Who asked yunusa not to give his own verson of the story? Punch? The man? Or ese's family?
Since your ilk can come out to justify yunusa and den rubbish d man who made it open, why have u both refused to channel that energy into making yunusa to speak up so that people will hear his own side? NOOO, u guys didn't, that is unadulterated hypocrisy.
My friend it seems like your imbecilic brain is incapable of learning anything from the OP's post or mine.
First of all, no prima facie case of abduction, marriage, forceful conversion and rape can and has been established against Yunusa but simply mere allegations without supportive evidence (one of the points the OP was clearly pointing out).
Didn't you listen to the audio tape where she admitted to voluntarily travelling to Kano and converting to Islam? So how can you say it was kidnapping when it clearly is a case of elopement by two lovers and not abduction (shey you know the difference)? Similarly, how can you say it was forceful conversion when the girl herself was clearly saying otherwise? Why was she (in the video) protesting against being handed over to the police without her Yunusa - does that suggest forceful abduction to you?
Even the issue of her age was suspicious, lying she was 17yrs instead of 13 or 14yrs suggested complicity and deception on her part in order she may prolong her stay with her lover, Yunusa - don't say she was completely innocent and didn't contribute anything towards her predicament.
No, the authorities/Yunusa's friends did not keep quiet or did nothing but rather contributed to her return; starting from his friends who informed the mother about the elopement - otherwise how was she able to know where to search for her daughter? Yunusa's father was the 1st to oppose and do something about it by reporting the matter to the village head, who in turn took it to the Emir, who subsequently ordered for the repatriation of the girl back to her parents through the Hisba Council and State Police AIG. Unfortunately, there was a delay by both the police and their counterpart, the Hisba council, due to concerns for the girl's safety because she did not want to go home out of alleged fear from being killed or severely beaten by her parents/community for running away (with a Hausa Boy) and converting to another religion (it is possible she may have been lying to this). Nonetheless, they still had to be sure and therefore thoroughly investigated the matter in order to ascertain she would not come into harms way - meanwhile the Emir was unaware, he was under the impression his earlier order for return of the girl had been carried out; so how ppl be faulting this man, I just don't know (BTW, its aiding and abetting NOT abating).
These are some of the details the Christian dominated biased press completely failed to mention so that you guys could continue to celebrate your renown bigotry with wanton abandon.
An unbiased press would know where to find Yunusa in prison where he was detained and to charged to court just as they were easily able to reach out to Ese's parents for their one sided story.
Since you agree with stereotyping based on tribe and religion then I am sure you would equally agree with the following: Well because Igbos are CANNIBALS (don't argue, even last year police closed down a restaurant selling human meat in Igboland) and predominantly Catholics; its probably ok to presume that their cannibalism must be connected with Christianity in which they practice the taking of holy communion, the wine and bread symbolizing the consumption of the blood and flesh of Jesus - yeah, how do you like that?
chigoizie7: Funny, I will ignore every other crap u wrote up there and focus on your last.
Condemnation of his religion and tribe. Yes. It should be condemned because, ese is not the only girl in such situation, and to even think that the the so called religious clerics, emirs, custodians of the tribe and even sharia whatever and their imams kept mute for this dastardly act means that they are all in support and by extension to d religion.
What other way is suitable to condemn the d acts that those I mentioned did? None.
By extension also, they are in support and their evil religion is bidding on their decisions.
Bros, please deal with it.
Least I forget. ISLAM is a religion of DEVILS for the DEVILS and for the EVILS.
#qoutemeandjoinyunusa
This is exactly where the stupidity of you and your ilk lies: does the crime of one person, in this case Yunusa, constitute the crime of his whole tribe and members of his religious faith? How silly can you ppl be?
dealslip: Christians don't use google results to support the bible. It should be google using the bible as a back up for it's assertion. I am very certain that the Quran cannot be backed by google either. Anything the Vatican does cannot be binding on the bible. The Bible is binding on the Vatican. The forceful conversion of Ese to Islam and the fact that she was held in custody and her parents denied access to her is the reason for the outrage, this is strange to Southerners and cannot be tolerated by Southerners. Marrying minors in the North may not be strange but the conditions under which this was done was criminal coupled with the fact that Sharia council, Hisbah police were even undermining the authority of the Nigerian police force shows a tactical support of Yinusa's action from the Sharia. People that do this in the South are arrested with immediate effect and if not careful lynched.
LOL, look at you, too afraid to face facts by shifting the goal post. Well google is merely a search engine which simply connects you to many sources of information, among them your bible and many records of history and research - running away from them would never change the facts therein within them.
On the matter of Ese, kindly provide any source of credible evidence that the girl was forcefully converted to Islam or was held against her will and that there was any marriage - apart from hearsay coming from biased journalism.
On the other hand, here is a video and audio evidence of the girl protesting against being handed over to the police without her beloved Yunusa; you can also hear her admitting to being 17yrs of age, travelling to Kano and converting to Islam from her own free will.
This is why the OP and many believe that there is more to this story and that the reporting by Punch Newspaper is one sided as well as malicious and reeking with sentiments against the region/religion and tribe that Yunusa belongs.
soonest: Have you seen anybody down south applauding baby factory or prostitution. We even expose it but you guys hide under religion to form non sense solidarity. Imagine us talking about child abduction/forced conversion/rape and you are here yapping about prostitution, is that the topic of discussion? Tuah!
It seems your comprehension is failing you; pls revise my post again, in fact what do the following words say to you?
Look no one in north is supporting Yunusa or admitting to no wrong doing on his part; what we abhor is the mindless blanket condemnation of his region/religion/tribe for his singular action.
This is the problem with most of you, jumping to conclusion without fully examining the issues at hand.
See what the stone age wanna be writer is saying!!!! You are just part of teh people suffering from inferior complex and that simply believes they must keep living in the stone age because of the advantage it confers on them over women. It is nothing but INFERIORITY COMPLEX.
You should be ashamed of yourself for looking for being desperate to look for anything to defend your fantasy of being in bed with a mere child.
Shut up, your ppl who still believe in witchcraft in this 21st century and you are talking of stone age; ppl who still abandon and leave their children to starve to death, torture, maim and brutalize them on mere suspicion of witchcraft - and you have the effrontery call some ppl stone age, I just dey laugh.
dealslip: Haa! standing ovation for your lies. At no point did the bible mention the ages of Joseph, Rebbecca or Mary. The need to interview the Islamic leaders is to establish whether it was proper in Islam to 'elope' with an under aged girl, convert her without her parent's consent and restrict the parents access to her.
Maybe not but nonetheless, Google is your friend, just search for the age at which Mary the mother of Jesus was betrothed to Joseph; you will get the answer of between the age of 12 -14, which was the norm for biblical Jewish girls - of which Mary was certainly not different.
Also google for the age of sexual consent at the headquarters of Christianity, the Vatican, you will find it is 13 years. You can therefore conclude that had Yunusa eloped to the Vatican, he would likely have obtained the Pope's blessings to have married and had sex with her.
Meanwhile, the Op's position is very clear: while no one in north is supporting Yunusa or admitting to no wrong doing on his part; what we abhor is the mindless blanket of condemnation of his region/religion/tribe for his singular action.
soonest: No matter what, it doesn't justify what he did. She's a minor for God' sake. Imagine you saying a 13year old girl loved him. I spit at you guys mentality. If you condemn yunusa your mouth won't twist, but no, you wouldn't cos I guess you have your own 13years abductee.
Look no one in north is supporting Yunusa or admitting to no wrong doing on his part; what we abhor is the mindless blanket condemnation of his region/religion/tribe for his singular action.
Had Yunusa been a Christian and eloped with her to Italy into prostitution, it is doubtful if you and your ilk would have lifted an eyebrow let alone jump on the bandwagon of insults against an entire region and religion on the perceived crime of only one person from that group; even her parents would likely be hailing her for sending back high valued Euros for them to build a house (a common practice from her Delta extraction and Bayelsan domicile) - not to mention that underage sex, pregnancy and prostitution is quite rampant in that regional axis.
Weah96: Muslims have what we call institutionalized r.ape. Even the prophet was known to have married a minor. Minors do not have the capacity to make life changing decisions, as we all know.
The actions of the parent make it institutionalized. They agree to the r.ape.
My friend better shut up or be disgraced by your own ignorance.
By the same token, pls find out at what age Mary, the mother of Jesus was betrothed to Joseph, an old man well into his 70s. What is still the current age of sexual consent at the Head Quarters of Christianity, the Vatican? What would you consider the rape of young boys and girls by Catholic priests through out the Christian world and the woeful failed institutionalized cover up that followed under the Pope?
For every example you give there are equally more worse ones happening in your own backyard? - so go ahead, feel free to continue.
IvyBelle: What is this unholy comparison for ? Why can't a spade be called a blasting spade and not something else .
If a Christian goes off with a minor ,its just as bad and your comparison to Italy and prostitution is cringe worthy .
This religious bias is so disappointing,if your daughter or sister runs off with an older man ,who do you blame more ? That adult or supposed adult of course and that's what is happening .
Get over yourselves.
I don't deal with toddlers who are yet to develop intelligence; go brush up on your comprehension, perhaps only then I may respond to you.
agitator: It is a waste of time, the fulani's carry AK-47s. Simple solution, acquire more AKs than them then you are now talking.
Quite right, the Fulanis can hold their own with their Ak47 s Besides its quite unconstitutional to restrict any Nigerian from his right to freedom of movement. Baseless empty threats like ones we've heard before. I recall how some ppl easily chickened out after they started such nonsense under the guise of security by detaining and registering northerners en-route their region; only to immediately call for a truce when northerners threatened to sue them to court and take retaliatory actions, including seriously considering breaking away. - how times fly; they have obviously forgotten and maybe need to be reminded again.
IVORY2009: lol, frm legal angle so far so good, the FG has no case... I see this case throw out for lack of proof, becos no-one would be willing to come out and testify against Kanu and co in public, perhaps fear factor.
Not at all, FG has the resources to comfortably protect and guarantee the safety of all its witnesses; however, in this case I see deliberate time wasting and foot dragging for adjournment and more adjournment on the part of the FG; while Kanu and his lawyers are foolishly playing into the FG's ploy of delay tactics - at the end of the day, dilector loses because he stupidly continues to prolong his stay in jail without bail.
malton: You're derailing the thread. It costs you nothing to reason before you post. Bad thing is, you seem soundly educated, yet, look how unthoughtful your comment was. Intolerance is why the north is as it is today. Please try putting humanity first before any subscriptions or allegiance to regions and persons.
No derailment, the thread is not about humanity but identifying ppl from a particular region, i.e. the north; I merely identified myself with more emphasis than others.
^^^^You are the thoughtless one, driven by emotions and bigotry than common sense. Where is the evidence that she was married, pregnant or even raped - you need chill on these allegations until there are sufficient evidence to prove otherwise.
Had Yunusa been a Christian and eloped with her to Italy into prostitution, it is doubtful if you and your ilk would have lifted an eyebrow let alone jump on the bandwagon of insults against an entire region and religion on the perceived crime of only one person from that group; even her parents would likely be hailing her for sending back high valued Euros for them to build a house (a common practice from her Delta extraction and Bayelsan domicile) - not to mention that underage sex, pregnancy and prostitution is quite rampant in that regional axis - notwithstanding that no one in north is supporting Yunusa or admitting to no wrong doing on his part; what we abhor is the mindless blanket condemnation of his region/religion/tribe for his singular action.
I am proudly: Almajiri, Abok1, Mallam, Alhaji, Arewa and among those that contributed to kick Jonathan's corrupt PDP out of power. I take no prisoners when it comes to bigots who take delight in insulting the religion of Islam, my region or tribe.
StOla: So in all of this episode, what you hope to propagate is that an Emir who had no business with Ese or Bayelsa is the kidnapper and paedophile?
All Sanusi ever did to merit the hate of a region of this country was to disclose that money earned refused to accrue to NNPC.
Sanusi is Emir in Kano, he has no business with you unless you are an economic refugee in Kano. He has no need for your support, as he will not be contesting any national political office
Shame on you and your kind who hate a man for being upright in the midst of presidential enabled theft, and passionate about his faith within his own territory and people.
Shame on you for believing an allegation for which you have no proof that your accused made such promise.
The Sanusi of your narrative shouldn't have stopped at the jeep and house promise for every lazy Muslim who marries a Christian. He should have also vacated the throne of Emir for the Muslim who can marry as much Christian girls as possible in a day.
Don't mind them, they hate Sanusi for firing the 1st salvo as CBN governor that brought down their brother's government - its their way of extracting revenge by peddling these lies to tarnish his image. They also hate Islam/north/Hausa and are equally distorting the story for similar ends.
Had Yunusa been a Christian and eloped with this girl to Italy into to prostitution, you would probably not to hear such condemnation; even her parents would be hailing her for sending back high valued Euros to build them a house( a common pastime from her Delta extract and Bayelsa domain); not minding that underage sex and teen pregnancy is quite abound in her community - its only this one because it involves a northerner that is making headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Here is a video and audio evidence of the girl protesting against going with the police without her Yunusa as well as interview of her claiming to be 17yrs of age and admitting to travelling to Kano and converting to Islam voluntarily - it will no doubt disappoint the haters and the bigots.
Degis: Quite senseless missive. Did you in your own bigotry ever thought that the girl is a minor?.
Don't let me say what I wouldn't ordinarily want to say
The OP covered the issue quite well even if he did not mention her status as a minor; it is obvious that your own bigotry is what was clouding your judgement; because if you had paid attention you would have noticed that the OP had effectively covered that aspect in his conclusion by urging the government to investigate and prosecute anyone found to have broken the law (i.e. including Yunusa on allegations of the said rape and abduction of a minor; similarly also the Emir, Sharia Board, the police and any other). You just need to read with more intelligence. While at it, pls also judge this youtube video and audio evidence showing the girl protesting against going with the police without her Yunusa as well as her interview claiming to be 17 yrs of age and admitting to voluntarily travelling with him to Kano and converting to Islam respectively.
ajokebelle: . Uncle, but you can lie ooooo. Is it in the Quran or the Bible that you learnt that Joseph was in his seventies?. Take it easy oo abeg, cause did your lie dey smell.
Go read your scripture very well and lets see if you can come back and call me a liar - half educated lout.
sexaddict08: mumu, why not answer the question first?
Ebukaobi: You just have an inordinate hatred for Northerners which is affecting you.
For a man that claims to be educated, you make a lot of illiterate assumptions in your OP
1. Can you provide any evidence of the involvement of Emir of Kano?
2. Where did you get information that Northern men kidnap girls from SE/SS for sex? Can you list cases for us with adequate sources?
The boy's father indicated that his son worked for Eses family for 10 years as a domestic servant. The family has not denied it yet
There is a lot to this case than we currently know. Put your supposed education to good use and wait for the facts to be provided before you start making ridiculous statements.
Quite right; they are just masturbating all over this case and using it as a guise to insult northerners/Islam'Hausa ppl, not necessarily on its merit; because it pales far less than the many cases of rape and abduction perpetrated by fathers against daughters, sons against mothers, pastors, commissioners, politicians and hoodlums against young innocent girls right in their backyard - just take a peek at the crime section of this forum and you will easily come across so many horrible examples.
Vulu: You people can be very evil, the half-baked jornalist interviewing her is an abooki. You hypnotized and brainwashed her and expect everyone look the other way?
So Premium Times that uploaded and published must be owned and run by abookis - clap for yourself, olodo, well done.
tinkinjow: So? Some of u seem to hv lost it completely. Even if u showed videos of the girl abusing her parent it changes nothing. A crime has been committed simple. The girl is a minor and no excuse is tenable okay? Please dear @comment if a girl of same age leaves her parent even on her volition and come into ur home drag her back to her parent or contact the police. Don't think u v won a price and begin to rape her 24/7 or share her with ur debased parent for his silence. Don't impregnate her. It's a crime. An unforgivable crime.
The more u guys look for justification here the more u soak ur kith kins and clan in shìt. U guys stink!
My friend, revise my post again and tell me what do these words say to you - especially the highlighted in bold:
Anyone with common sense would tell you that this is a clear case of two young ppl falling in love and following their hearts against the law and norms of the culture they came from
See as you fail simple comprehension; small time you go say Buhari no get certificate.
Jimi23: This appears doctored. She didn't recognise her mum in Kano all of a sudden she does now? Was she a virgin when she left Yenegoa. She is a minor, yes. Yinusa was wrong. It appears she is a minor who eloped with her lover. Her parents should be honest. She may have been wayward b4 she eloped. She may be pretending to dance to their tune and be plotting to elope again. They should stop with the cover up, quit acting like Ese is a saint and talk some sense into their daughter! I hope yinusa will be lawfully dealt with.
Exactly, here is video and audio evidence of her being handed over to the police in Kano and being interviewed by Premium Times. Let somebody explain why she was resisting to go with the police without her Yunusa and why in the audio interview she was claiming 17yrs of age, traveling to Kano and converting ti Islam voluntarily?
Some ppl desperately managing this girl to do damage control at the expense of the truth of what really happened - would love to see their faces when it eventually backfires.