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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Like.....

I intentionally kept quiet yesterday because i can imagine the insensitivity on their part.

But till now, all i see is how everybody supporting the bill is wicked and selfish.

Well, i am wicked and selfish, and i want to live forever

That bill will be passed, and you will add another 5 years here.

Nonsense[/color]

If you also notice that when Unlimited22 came on board I stepped aside because I understood where he was coming from and I didn't want to come across as insensitive.

This idea of calling people evil or APC members because they don't see things the way you see it is not acceptable.

larride:
All the 3 candidates said they were going to remove subsidy during the campaign.

Wait make Tinubu enter and remove the subsidy and see how they will begin to blame APC people as if the principal they supported didn’t subscribe to it.

Me myself is even against the subsidy removal

You don't even need Tinubu to enter and remove it before you know what will happen.

Nigeria Labour Congress has already done a summersault that subsidy removal will be resisted.

I pray they succeed anyway because I'm heavily reliant on fuel and it will take the grace of God to get any significant raise at work to compensate.

Harsh as it may sound, no one forced anyone to study medicine or become a doctor.

My work has no public holiday, no Christmas, no new year, nothing. My phone must always be on because I can be called at 1am to attend to issues. You can't even go on leave in December except you're a senior manager. I'm not complaining because I knew what I was getting myself into.

Those who genuinely love to practice medicine will continue to study it and will be glad to give 5 years back after they are done. Those who had to study it due to parental pressure can go and learn data analysis and become a tech bro.

It is what it is.

larride:
Some people are blind.

Maybe iz.zou that supported the bill is an APC man or even itsrm.

What else is new? If you don't support Obi, you must have corn in your pocket. If you support the bill, you must be an APC apologist.

We must all think the same way and support the same cause like headless chickens

EgunMogaji2:
Even if the artisan is coming from Ibadan I’ll still give a token. Even if the artisan never came to site but consulted over the phone.

The reason I do it is for my own conscience in case I do not give that artisan the job.

I had a. Architect that came to one of my sites in Omi Adio. He worked for my builder to do Layout and pegging. He asked to see my building plan. A few days later he sent me an updated plan that was better. Eventhough I didn’t ask him to do the job I knew it’ll have taken his time so I asked for his account number.

1) Ten quotes? That’s too much. 3 is enough.

2) I’ll never ask anyone to come give a quote if they weren’t potential contractors.

3) My background just dictates that I reward artisans.

4) I’ll never ask anyone to do long travel and I’ll rather they stop by if they’re in town.

Ire o.

You have spoken well sir. God bless you.

larride:
Na their bogus allowances raise their overall take home.

Their basic salary na around 900k - 1.3m but their bogus allowance jack up their total monthly pay to around 13m monthly.

It’s ridiculous

Are you sure? Ahmed Lawan is quoted as saying the 13m is their quarterly allowance and not monthly allowance

https://punchng.com/lawan-reveals-salaries-of-senators-reps/%3famp

liveLongNprospa:
Dey play.
Guys wey bonus 1 finish so.
Lets not talk about how much they collect from constituency projects

https://punchng.com/lawan-reveals-salaries-of-senators-reps/%3famp

liveLongNprospa:
Isn't senators paid atleast 20m in a month?

Lmao

See as una dey call money anyhow. How much is the president earning monthly? When you answer that question, you'll see why 20m salary for a senator is absolutely impossible and even ridiculous

Olowunl01:
If Nigeria can afford to [b]pay HoR members take home circa 15M+ per mont[/b]h; for a job that does not require such stressnous training then we can afford to pay doctors 5M per month.. If we can afford to spend on billions on Buhari treatment abroad we can afford to pay...

The NMA should be requesting the have its take home pegged to that of HoR.

Officially? Where did you get this from? How much is the official salary of the president?

liveLongNprospa:
So now who doesn't have a solution 🤲🤲

The HOR is proposing a solution that I agree with.

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.. God abeg.

Please can you give us a break down of your japa process and the cost for these exams.
It helps to paint a proper image for Nigerians

Just so you know, it has never been easy and doctors have always been "japaing". I know this because my mum tried to leave in the early 2000s or late 90s and she couldn't raise enough money.

Unlimited22:
But the country can afford to pay it's politicians this much? It can afford to buy fire trucks at 1.2bn each?
India has 1.1 billion people, check the amount they used to conduct their census and then check how much NPC is proposing.


Bros I use Amadioha name take beg you, own the fact that you don't want doctors to leave because you're selfish and you want them to keep you alive at the cost of their own lives with your chest.


I dey see patients everyday in a hot airless room. Some equipment wey niggas dey use outside na for book and picture we dey see am. I can't even use gloves unless I squirrel away some whenever I manage to see.


You people think it's just the pay that's making people to leave and it is hilarious.

Our current wage bill is 30% of the total budget. What you guys are proposing and the resultant effect will take our wage bill to more than 70%. That is not realistic.

I already said that I do not think that an increase in salary will necessarily make doctors stay. We all know at the back of our minds that the conditions of work that will make them stay is not likely to happen in this lifetime.

So what do we do in the interim? Ask them to serve and endure another 5 years or keep losing them in large numbers to the West?

liveLongNprospa:
Too much.. I don't think so.

You've shown them that they are extremely important and honestly medical professionals should be paid extremely well anywhere in the world and especially in Nigeria where they are really needed.

If you say that's too much then FG never ready.
These suppose dey collect hazard allowance of like 100k sef.

It's not just realistic. The country cannot afford it. If you propose 750k for doctors on housemanship, how much are you going to pay senior consultants.

How long will it take before other unions start demanding for the same money for their members?

And even if you somehow manage to pay them, 750k monthly will not stop MOST of them from leaving. Emphasis is on most. I know you already alluded to the fact that it won't stop some of them from leaving.

liveLongNprospa:
Increase the amount to 750k.
Infact make it a million. (please don't tell me there are people that will japa because I've already told you that it will not stop japa but it will stop some of them from leaving)
Provide them with better working tools (this will take more time but these guys will be encouraged to work more)
These guys dey sacrifice alot just to study and graduate.
Then the FG can finally draw up an agreement with them also to bind them atleast then nobody will blame the FG.

Those are some suggestions.
It won't stop japa but I know it will reduce it

liveLongNprospa:
Ehn? 😂😂

With the political class, I understand there may be issues beyond their control but the way they arrest and parade yahoo boys is similar to what NDLEA is currently doing.

They project a certain level of transparency

seankafor:
lol, Dem gats save face sometimes..

If you no corporate well, Dem go use you get accolades..

The worst part is that these people are gorvenment.. nothing much wey you go fit do.. you no fit fight them and remain the same..

So na to just avoid them best possible way..

If Dem catch you, just corporate..

If you see their template.. them give am my guy..

Do you know that efcc can just freeze your bank for just mere suspicion? They have the right to do and undo.. much power rests in those guys hand

Omo eeh.. I dey fear who no dey fear efcc

Interesting. I could have sworn that the EFCC was different from other law enforcement agencies based on how they project themselves.

seankafor:
efcc billing na according to your worth..

If you worth 10 mil, efcc will bill you 5 mil..

They can go as far as seizing your properties even landed ones..

Those guys na another thing..

They can even seize and make you forfeit all your assets..

Those guys are very wicked..

Omo, so those ones who are paraded are the ones who don't pay?

seankafor:
Omo, efcc na the real yahoo boys.. na Dem be the scammers wey dey scam scammers..

E better make i jam olopa Dan make I jam effcc.. those guys will send you back to village..

One of my guy was carried.. Dem no find anything on am, Dem refer him to one of their own who is a lawyer so that he will sign his bail.. bail is free in efcc but my guy negotiated and payed 100k to the lawyer..

Word is that if you come with your own lawyer.. they will frustrate you and the process..

Na so mu guy wey no be yahoo boy pay 100k..

How many Dem go catch.. boys must wark

What if they found something on him? How would it have turned out?

liveLongNprospa:
From your own report.

I don't know how you linked them calling off the strike to ngige when the report said this below

That was the same way ASUU vowed to continue the strike. What happened?

After the doctors vowed to continue the strike, what now happened?

21st of September court ordered them to suspend strike, 27th of September they suspended the strike.

So you're saying the government met their demands in 6 days having not met it in more than one month before the court order

Continue

liveLongNprospa:
Ngige handled who?
You should use your search engine and check how the strike ended..

You like throwing words around.

Ngige got a court order asking them to suspend the strike. Like ASUU they initially refused but reason prevailed eventually and they called off the strike.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/488077-breaking-nine-weeks-after-nigerian-doctors-call-off-strike.html?tztc=1

raumdeuter:
So while your American trained doctors are servicing their student loan for the first part of their career, their Nigerian counterpart that enjoyed relatively free medical school are balling

This is what our doctors are taking for granted.

The bill is really fair. It's the least we can ask of them.

raumdeuter:
A doctor trained in US spends almost $200 to $300K on school fees

Nigerian trained doctors probably spend $1k to get that education because its subsidized by govt

Maybe Govt should tell them Medical fees is say 300K if you cannot afford it, enter and govt will subsidize your fees to normal undergrad fees but after graduation you have to serve govt for 5yrs

If you want to get out of the bond pay the money Govt gave you plus interest

Just imagine

liveLongNprospa:
Wetin concern them with ASUU.

You really want to compare the effects of doctors going on strike to lecturers going on strike in Nigeria...


Lmao is this playing or what?

No need to even use ASUU

These same doctors have gone on strike before or maybe they wanted to I can't remember clearly but I know that short man called Ngige conquered them and they either called off the strike or cancelled the planned strike.

If there's anything we have learnt from this APC government, no matter who you are, you can't fight them.

liveLongNprospa:
Izzou if doctors decide to go on strike today as a result of this bill..

What will anybody do?
Basically FG after making mouth has come to show that doctors are very important with this move so why you feel say these same doctors nor go react to this?

Last I checked, Ngige is still the minister for Labour. Go and ask ASUU how far

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I am even surprised that Nigerians living in Nigeria see it as a wicked policy

Until you go to a hospital (Public or private), and they tell you there is no doctor on duty, or you have to wait 5 hours to see one, na that time the person go understand the problem wey dey on board.

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It's really crazy these days.

Except in cases of emergency, I only go to hospitals by 5am on Sunday mornings. That's the only time you won't find any serious crowd. I can't go and queue at the hospital for hours wasting productive hours.

larride:
Will this bill apply to those that attend private university and paid premium money to become doctors or just for FG owned universities graduates? 😂

Them suppose flog you and those reps in the 10th assembly.

The argument can be made for those who attend private universities but to the best of my knowledge they still do their housemanship in government owned hospitals

One way or another, they are still drawing from tax payers money.

On the contrary, people like me are needed in HOR to make difficult but unavoidable decisions like this.

liveLongNprospa:
Do you even follow news properly?
The japa wave and rate of brain drain we are experiencing started with this apc government.

Doctors have not been leaving this country in an alarming rate till this party got into power.

This same party has come out through the minister to say the doctors should go and farm and even bragged about the graduates we are expecting from universities.
Instead of listening to the plight of these doctors.
During covid19 again.. During covid19 they paid peanuts to these doctors as hazard allowance. Infact outside Lagos state, how many other states paid doctors well that period.

You think that doesn't affect doctors who are in university?

Okay again I ask.. If the doctors decide to stop working for only 3 months because of this, what will any of you do?

Nice spin

The fact that doctors are now leaving in large numbers has more to do with covid than APC. Countries were in serious crisis and labour shortage hence the need for medical professionals which made them relax migration rules.

Most of those doctors have always wanted to leave, the path just became easier with covid.

I'm sure no one is forced to study medicine, if you can't give 5 years back, look for other courses to study or go to those countries that appreciate skills to study.

Simple as ABC

liveLongNprospa:
Everybody dey receive subsidised education from the FG Universities.
If the FG knew the profession was that important, then why have they not given them special attention ever since.

Was it not during covid19 pandemic that doctors complained of low hazard pay and these same politicians were hoarding palliatives.
I understand that you are looking out for yourself and people who go to clinic but oga doctor sef na human being and the amount of miracles our medical practitioners dey perform for this country with substandard tools means that they have more than earned the right to take their skills were they will be appreciated.

Omo

Did they just realise their skills will not be appreciated after they finished from medical school and got their license?

They actually have an option ab initio, go to the countries where their skills will be appreciated to study medicine.

It's not after you study with taxpayers money then you carry the knowledge away from the same taxpayers who need your service.

It's not like they are totally preventing them from travelling. 5 years is all we ask for.

liveLongNprospa:
You say wetin??
Do you think we just get abroad and start practicing medicine... You think the job is just handed over to them because they finished uni in naija.

Why doesn't this apply to the IT sector too?
Abi you know the amount of brain drain occurring in banking IT departments?


Nothing about this is unfair at all

You seriously can't compare the medical doctors and IT professionals. The absence of one directly leads to loss of lives, the other does not. One can be self taught or learnt in 6 months or less, the other requires several years to master.

The education they receive is seriously subsidised. Go and find out the cost of studying medicine in advanced countries. You can't even get admission to study medicine in some of the countries.

You can't get this training at no significant cost to you and the first thing you do after you qualify is fly to countries that will never have given you admission to study in the first place

The bill is a really good one. If you can't stay 5 years to give back, there are many other courses to study

liveLongNprospa:
The president elect travels outside the country for medical purposes.
The current president travels outside the country consistently for medical purposes.

We have a senator who is in UK jail for medical crimes.

But see wetin these idiots dey plan😂😂

Good idea. I fully support. You cannot be trained under our subsidised educational system and carry the knowledge you gathered outside the country the moment you qualify to be a doctor.

It is what it is

izzou:
[color=royalblue]And they expelled them?

These are like the heavy weight politicians, money can buy in Enugu

But you cant really fault them. More than 70% of the politicians in Enugu are offsprings of Chiboy.

If there is one good thing he did, it was that he gave many people a political future.

E be like say dem wan finish the party kpata kpata for the state, or Chiboy wan decamp, so he needs no existing landlord or competitor[/color]

You know how these things dey be na. Those guys likely supported another candidate during the gubernatorial primaries. Some powers that be rigged their candidate out and produced the APC candidate. They refuse to support the APC flag bearer, the flag bearer losses the election and comes back to plot the removal of those who worked against him.

Not saying that's exactly what happened here but it's what I've seen happen in several other states.

They will sort out their issues and the suspension will be cancelled.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Does Anti-party activity mean something else?

If there is one Easterner that openly supported BAT, Osita Ikechukwu was that guy

How come he is being expelled for anti party behaviour?[/color]

https://www.nairaland.com/7643391/anti-party-enugu-apc-suspends-nnamani

They likely supported the PDP guy for governorship