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GloriousGbola:
So let's take what you said.
We have shell, total, agip, Mobil, chevron. Each has jv with the fg. Within each company, they have a map of thier own network. Within each company, there will be limits on how much information about the network is available, because vandalism has been a thing since the 90s and there is clearly insider information. So ultimately Who do you think will have the map of the complete network, particularly as this will be a confidential, need to know document?

GloriousGbola:
I worked on nepa 330kv circuits in my first job. We had info on some of the circuits, but not all. But the power minister would obviously have the information on the ENTIRE power network at his disposal, not so?

That is what happens when you are the oga at the top. You have the birds eye view, the portfolio view, the strategic information.

Android17:
For the gazillionth time I am not defending Buhari. Some of your questions are sound - very even.

The issue is, with those contracts, Jonathan could not turn around to fight them. So they ran away. Tompolo and co started flouting their wealth and you saw how wealthy they became. Under Buhari, even though they had the coordinates and could even bunker and vandalize, he was at war with them so they feared for their lives. It is the way OBJ got Boyloaf and co killed. It was tit for tat. Asari ran to Ghana or Togo because PMB wanted him. Did they not live large when Jonathan was in power?

GloriousGbola:
Nigeria has a 330kv power network. There was a time when deliberate vandalism of some circuits was going on. Now imagine that the fg gave some vandals a protection contract and gave them the entire plan of Nigerias 330kv network

Yes, sabotage has been going on, but now it can be properly coordinated and planned and not random.

It is no longer a case of I know.there is a line between Ikeja and Benin, or I know there is a line between. Alaojo and ikorodu. I now have the plans for the entire network and I know the points at which I can strike to bring it down completely.

If I know the feeder lines or the trunk lines or the mains lines, I can steal oil far more effectively than if I am operating with small insider knowledge. That is the difference in oil bunkering before and after gej.

Android17:
Some of us who know Jonathan personally can tell you one or 2 things you may never know otherwise. Corruption was always rife in Nigeria but he took it to astronomical levels. That is what many of you don't want to accept.

Nobody is villanizing him and extolling Buhari. Both failed. One just over-failed. In this instance, Jonathan overdid it by giving the source of the problems the control over that same source. He gave the Hyenas the role of protecting the Goats.

Android17:
I am not sure you understand me or G.G. Militants did not have the coordinates before. They just vandalized what they could find.

Jonathan opted to pay them to 'protect' it so he had to tell them where it was and how it was networked.

Buhari stopped paying them and even tried to get them arrested. Then they fought back by returning to vandalism- this time more potently as they knew the coordinates better than ever since, Jonathan did what he did.

GloriousGbola:
This is not about defending Buhari.

You cannot ungive coordinates or maps or plans of critical infrastructure. Once they are out in the wild, that is it. Finito.

a pipeline is not like a door where you just change the key. It is fixed infrastructure.

An example Years ago I was given a hard copy of drawing of nepas 132kv network to replicate in cad. I still have it to this day.


Buhari is not paying tompolo for the map of the pipelines. He is paying tompolo to make oil thieves leave the pipelines alone so Nigeria can make money.

You are the alpha thug here. We thought we could do away with you, but we were wrong. Call the rest of the thugs to order.

That is what a protection scam is.

Android17:
Some of the dip in crude oil numbers was due to vandalism. The pipes were being vandalized.

liveLongNprospa:
Wtf?!
And you sef dey follow am up to encourage this kind talk...

So how was oil bunkering occurring before GEJ came into power?

GloriousGbola:
The pipeline network is a fixed entity. The coordinates are not going to change. Especially as the oil majors have all moved offshore.

Buhari's paying tompolo is acknowledging that tompolo has beaten and defeated the fg at this game.

The FG is literally paying the mafia protection money

Nice pipeline you got there. Would be a shame if something happened to the oil in it.

liveLongNprospa:
How did this coordinates talk come up?
Because I don't understand

Android17:
Bro, not trying to be overly pessimistic but Dangote will join the cartel because he is in business to make money.

Oil theft, militancy and the Navy are all intertwined which is why it will never end in Nigeria. That is what I was pointing out to the other guy but they think everything is about APC or Buhari.

Jonathan gave the coordinates to Nigeria's oil pipeline distribution network to militants in the guise of the protection contracts so of course production was not as affected since he was settling the main detractors. Then Buhari stopped it initially so they fought back like they did against OBJ. That is not to say crude theft and bunkering is not ongoing. It is not any more significant than it ever was in the past. Fact.

The news about discovering secret pipelines was after Buhari decided to offer something back to Tompolo and co. That was their way of showing him what his money could do. They knew those coordinates because GEJ gave it to them courtesy, Deziani.

GloriousGbola:
You cannot ungive the coordinates of the pipeline network.

It is going to be a problem for the lifetime of this country.

Nigeria has been repeatedly described in international journals as the world capital of oil theft

The issue cannot be tackled from within, but it may be tackled from without.

If the federal govt can track the buyers, catch them and demonstrate that they have stolen Nigerias oil and fire them with enough punitive action, it becomes a is this worth the risk scenario.

Android17:
I am blaming Buhari as well. In my previous posts even to you, I told you corruption fought him back and he yielded.

DissTroy:
83℅ of oil wells in Nigeria are owned by Northerners. Pipelines connect from the oil wells. He wants us to believe Jonathan who became GCFR in late 2010 is responsible for the oil theft which had been going on for decades or illegal oil bunkering which had been going on since GEJ was still Patience's lecturer.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/123398-83-of-nigeria-oil-blocs-owned-by-northerners-senate-committee-chair.html

Android17:
Abi no be so? If you pay militants money to protect your pipeline won't you tell them where those pipelines are?

Android17:
Bro, not trying to be overly pessimistic but Dangote will join the cartel because he is in business to make money.

Oil theft, militancy and the Navy are all intertwined which is why it will never end in Nigeria. That is what I was pointing out to the other guy but they think everything is about APC or Buhari.

Jonathan gave the coordinates to Nigeria's oil pipeline distribution network to militants in the guise of the protection contracts so of course production was not as affected since he was settling the main detractors. Then Buhari stopped it initially so they fought back like they did against OBJ. That is not to say crude theft and bunkering is not ongoing. It is not any more significant than it ever was in the past. Fact.

The news about discovering secret pipelines was after Buhari decided to offer something back to Tompolo and co. That was their way of showing him what his money could do. They knew those coordinates because GEJ gave it to them courtesy, Deziani.

diggz:
Wetin you think?

A40:
From 36th to 26th. This is the mediocrity BMC people want us to celebrate.

They won't talk about the heist going on in NNPC under the supposed Minister of Petroleum's nose.

I keep asking who do us this thing?

Itsrm:
Lord have mercy

https://www.nairaland.com/7471254/gunmen-attack-anambra-hospital-steal

I can't begin to imagine the pain those mothers are going through

nihilistjnr:
You have a point. I'm not in a position to give a lengthy reply right now, but In my opinion, it is Nigeria's weak institutions have left the masses at the mercy of these leaders you describe.

But bruh, corruption is everywhere. The difference between a UK/US and us is that the government is closer to the people in the form of councils and states. There's also a dominannt social culture which allows and encourages individual franchise.

I believe more people are likely to feel empowered to compete for president in a country where there's only 5 states. The competition will naturally lead contestants to develop differentiation strategies, such as a dominant political ideology and/or a focus on performance. We saw it in the 60s. It can happen again.

donstan18:
You’re saying Biafra will last upto 3 months?

hopefulLandlord:
The main issue I have with Biafra agitation is that whenever I discuss with agitators and ask them why they want to separate almost all the reasons they give are always problems separation won't solve. at worst it'd postpone the problem.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Wen some states dey destroy thousands of alcoholic drinks yet dem go collect tax 4rm alcohol. How u wan take motivate other states to be productive?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
on a normal if things are working as it should...nobody go dey reason Oduduwa republic, Ibom republic, Niger Delta republic or Biafra.

Now talking abt things not working, a state like Katsina wan get two FMC...yet some geopolitical zones na only two dem get.

nihilistjnr:
Why do you think so?

diggz:
Hope you no think say I dey support tiefnubu in anyway?

diggz:
Take am easy ... Life no hard reach so lol

larride:
You should know I am a firm believer in Nigeria. Nigeria is not going to break up, nobody will break it up but we can salvage it through tedious hard work.

It is not going to happen overnight. It will take years and decades to correct all wrong but I trust Tinubu to set us on the path of prosperity.

That is why I am voting for Renewed Hope.

Roland17:
In 2 sentences or less, describe how you are currently feeling after Eibarman’s goal..

raumdeuter:
MESSI