₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
Obi actually supported that statement

https://saharareporters.com/2022/10/25/nigerians-shouldnt-blame-benue-governor-ortom-owing-workers-salaries-pension-peter-obi

[color=royalblue]Just look at an excuse for not paying someone the wages of his sweat

SMH[/color]

larride:
Not all infrastructure will pay itself. That's a simplistic way of viewing things.

Apart from rails and tolled highways, which infrastructure directly pay for itself?

[color=royalblue]I know that.

But why use loans to fund projects that wont pay for itself? Why not use our revenue for such projects?

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afrodoc2:
62.5% is too high. I don’t know why is just attacking him like he stole something.

[color=royalblue]Even when he served, it was that percentage

Next 5 years, it will be that percentage (maybe)

The thing come be like agenda for my eye [/color]

nihilistjnr:
In July this year, Minister of Finance announced that FG withdrew 1 billion dollars from that Excess Crude Oil Account to fund the fight against insecurity. To withdraw this money NASS and Governors had to agree ( cross-carpet decision)

In August, Emiefele cried that NNPC was not remitting dollars into FG foreign reserves. NNPC said they need the dollars to continue to fund subsidy.

What does President want to do in this kind of situation except for the suicidal needful - ending fuel subsidy?

That's why you will never get any real answer from any candidate in terms of specific actions they intend to carry out to fix Nigeria because there are none.

In another 4 years time, you will see people begging for another saviour like they did in 2011 when Otuoke man without shoes was the saviour and 2015 when Sai Baba with only 20 cows was the saviour.

The only way to save Nigeria is to break it up, not shouting emilokan or Egyptian statistics upandan.

[color=royalblue]Integrity without plans would take us back to the same old story

Jonathan didn't have shoes. He won and disappointed

Buhari can't afford form. He uses 20 naira Milo. He won and disappointed

Well, i know say na wetin e go end up be that. Hopefully, God go disappoint me[/color]

Donjazet2:
I said he would cut the cost of governance and bring better transparency to our institutions, going by his own antecedents in office.

Nass is just an aspect, there are other areas where he would do that that would be very impactful. Slash the salaries and amoluments of government appointees. Ministers, head of parastatals etc who inflate bonuses and contracts. Stories like amaechi awarding contract to an unknown company or aliases, bloated ministerial budgets, bloated villa budgets etc.

These are areas where impacts of cost of governance will be felt.
As for nass budget, Obi has said that there is something called political will, that if he leads by example, others will be bound to follow.
If the populace sees that the presidency is pulling all stops to actively reduce the cost of governance, that create optical pressure on the national assembly members. Secondly, the labour party is going to have some elected members of assembly, senators and house of rep that will form a caucus or coalition that leads the charge in the house for a slashing of bloated budgets and salaries. This coupled with public pressure and executive pressure is bound to have an effect on nass' budget.

Also the strengthening of the efcc that enables it actually do itd job and go after corrupt public officials.

One of obi's selling point is his relative integrity. Tinubu and atiku simply can't use anticorruption as a selling point. You see that none of his supporters is even bordering about this. That tells you all you need to know.

[color=royalblue]Yes, that is his selling point for me.

But you of all people should know better. You campaigned for Buhari in 2015 with this same selling point. Or did you vet any of Buhari's plans, if not that he could not afford the form and he was using sachet Milo and milk?

A man without a plan cannot go far. Whether he be a thief, or a Pope.

I hope you won't curse Obi if he fails. [/color]

chrisooblog:
Chief the NASS is just a very tiny tip of the corruption iceberg that we have in Nigeria.

Even if you scrap the budget of NASS (which the president has no power to do anyway) it still won't solve Nigeria's financial problems. I read somewhere that what Nigeria currently makes from crude oil is not even up to the Pennsylvania budget for a year. So when we say we have a revenue problem is not just some empty government sloganeering.

The amount of money that will cater to Nigeria's infrastructure deficit I'm not sure we even make 5% of it hence borrowing.

Yes reducing corruption and plugging loopholes are welcome but we have things that need to be fixed now now which requires huge amounts of money.

[color=royalblue]I am just asking him, since he is assured that Obi will cut excesses from NASS.

Maybe he can tell me how a president has any power to effect that change.

And the revenue problem is why i don't rate Buhari one bit[/color]

chrisooblog:
There might be risks but State police or a more empowered regional police setup is the way to go.

Something along the lines of the civilian JTF in Borno could be useful in most State's were funds to train and equip a formal security force is lacking.

In the short term as much as it pains us a form of amnesty should be considered to remove most of the trouble makers who got into terrorism/insurgency because of economic reasons. Hopefully this will reduce the number of insurgents to a few stubborn ones that can be contained and handled.

Government at the centre also needs to give the states more freedom to buy adequate weapons to equip their various security groups.

The blunt truth however is if whoever becomes president doesn't urgently fix the economy so more people can be employed and financially bouyant enough to take care of their families the numbers of disgruntled and frustrated people would overwhelm whatever security arrangement no matter how novel.

[color=royalblue]Your suggestion sits well with me.

I was just trying to counter the fact that we shouldn't waste that much resources on corpers that wont stay beyond one year.

Imagine training someone for 6 months, and he leaves after the neck 6.[/color]

Donjazet2:
This sounds a lot like complaining to me



This sounds a lot like complaining to me. Something we've all been doing Soo much for the past 8 years. I mean, it's just highly irrational that someone that knows a situation is bad wouldn't want to cling unto what would look like a solution and choose to resign himself to hopelessness and cowardice.

It just makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, if your house is burning, do you just resign yourself to dieing rather than put a fight??
You complaining about bad governance and sitting on the sidelines makes absolutely no sense! None whatsoever.

[color=royalblue]I made that comment in July, when I had not even listened to any candidate

If you need to quote that, to pass your agenda, please be my guest.

I have asked you a question. I hope you answer me.[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]How does Obi hope to cut the excesses of the NASS?

If you answer me realistically, i will vote Obi because of you.[/color]

Itsrm:
This election period, everybody just dey talk from both sides of their mouth

[color=royalblue]When you talk, they say you are complaining and don't want to effect a change

When you ask questions on their preferred candidate, they ignore and move to the next comment.[/color]

Itsrm:
This same Seun?

Watch from 11:30 to 12:10.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9nlGRT-sI&t=658s

[color=royalblue]Seun Okinbaloye said he is not even voting because he doesn't trust any politician

Mi o ni so kan kan[/color]

A001:
What's the use of complaining daily about bad leadership and poor governance in Nigeria without making any effort to correct the situation?

Will daily complaints effect any change? Even many of those based overseas support a candidate in the upcoming elections.

Anyone in Nigeria that doesn't plan to vote in the upcoming elections has no right to be complaining of bad governance because they're also culpable in bringing about the status quo.

[color=royalblue]I am not complaining, and i will not vote

I am just telling you that in the next 4 years, you will ask for another saviour because you are failing to see through the fairytale plans they are dishing out now[/color]

Donjazet2:
Sounds to me like you just want to keep feeding on hopelessness.

You are asking about funds. Nnpc just said they remmited zero money to Nigeria's account, is it that they didn't earn money? Do you know that the world is actually experiencing an oil boom right now?

CORRUPTION IS OUR NUMBER ONE PROBLEM.
If there wasn't corruption in Nnpc, or there was a shred of accountability, they will remit the trillions of naira they're supposed to.
Obi has also spoken about cutting cost of governance, at least to the fullest extent of his executive powers, that can boost a further 15% to the nation's coffers if executed well, trimming or merging some redundant ministry's and exorbitant executive costs.

But no leave it to izzuo to regale us with daily complaints while looking very hopeless and being useless to practical actions taken to change things.

Here is the current amount used for feeding the presidents family alone, antecedents show that Obi will cut this drastically. His constant rhetorics tells you he understands the importance of cutting exorbitant costs but keep looking for messianic qualities in a candidate.

[color=royalblue]How does Obi hope to cut the excesses of the NASS?

If you answer me realistically, i will vote Obi because of you.[/color]

Olowunl01:
I disagree, it is down to failure of leadership and accountability. Don't we somehow find funds to feed Aso Rock, Excess Presidential Fleet, National Assembly? How much additional is the funds required to train youth corpers same as military, abi na no be person dey train our military?

I actually think corpers should do 6months military training; then 6months serving either in paramilitary ot teaching service...Or better still extend the whole thing to 2years, 1year being mandatory Military service, 2nd year being optional and full applicable wage paid for 2nd year....

Naija get the money but it is wasted on too many nonsense.

[color=royalblue]So, which candidate has come to tell us that he will cut the funds for the National Assembly?

I hope you are aware that the Presidency is not in charge of the budget of the NASS. He cannot add or change what they earn. They have a committee that does that. So how will, let's say Obi make that change? How exactly?[/color]

OasisX:


.... of course, everyone here knows the truth but we will rather let sentiment and emotion becloud our sense of reasoning.

Nigeria is definitely broke, but how do you think this problem can be solved?

By removing subsidy?

By increasing tax?

By selling Government Assets?

Consumption to Production ish na Zobo.... ain't gonna buy it.

[color=royalblue]I need have enough data on the state of our finances for me to make any personal submission. I was hoping to hear it from the candidates, but only Obi tries to give numbers.

That's why I can never rate Buhari. The guy took the easy way out

Take loans and build infrastructures. Some of these projects cannot pay for themselves. Rather, they become liabilities that need more loans to service them. You just shared a document on using 100 billion loan to build roads at 15.6% interest. How will that loan ever be repaid in this life?

I have once asked if we generate anything in this country. Our debt was 70 billion at Dec 2021, and as at June 2022, it was 151 billion. ECA account is now Zero. What masterclass did Buhari actually apply for 8 years?

I expect the next president to take this route too. Use loans to build roads, and everything. Then campaign with it for 8 years.[/color]

OasisX:
You're 100% right with the highlighted part. I've said it here many times, we are simply gambling and hoping we pick the right choice.

Let's put aside the Candidates and dissect our major Problems in Nigeria, cause, effect and solution. Who knows maybe they do view this thread for Information.

We can help by contributing positively on this Board too.

[color=royalblue]It is on this board i heard that debates don't matter.

But i think everybody here is educated enough to know when someone is trying to give you Lamba. The woman selling pepper may be swayed by promises, but i expect educated people to see through the bullshiiit

Nigeria is broke. Yet everybody's manifesto os talking about how they will create this and that, increase this and that, etc.

BAT said he will add 50,000 to the army. How will you pay them, equip them and fund them? Just multiply the basic salary for a soldier by 50,000 and 12 months. This is excluding allowances, and other resources and weapons needed.

The others have their own promises that when you look atvit critically, it isnt feasible. But then, i am not God.
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OasisX:


In some Countries like South Korea, its mandatory for every able young men and ladies above 18yrs [I guess] to undergo military training.

Is it gonna be bad to replicate same policy in Nigeria?

[color=royalblue]For you to train anybody, you need funds

Funds to procure equipments
Funds to establish facilties
Funds to hire the appropriate personnel
Funds, Funds, Funds....

Where will Nigeria get it?

That is why i said both BAT, Obi and Atiku have no HOW to solve anything. They are just telling you what you want to hear.

The CBN just said the excess crude oil savings that was 3 billion in 2014, is ABSOLUTE ZERO today. But no, our saviour is coming in 2023.

I was happy when they asked Kwankwaso how he would employ 1 million personnel into the military. He said he will make WAEC free.

SK have the funds to train anybody. Nigeria does not.[/color]

[quote author=Donjazet2 post=118743750]God forbid you. whether na sarcasm abi na joke abeg stop am. No play with people BP.

Meanwhile I want you and itsrm to check this out. What do you think of seun's point here?

Seun on Channels TV

Nigerians must Vote Wisely, don’t vote for someone who can’t articulate his words, don’t vote for someone with questionable character. Vote for a man who’s vision is clear on how to move Nigeria from consumption to Production.pic.twitter.com/GMvZ0BqvXe

— What is farming US? (@TalkBallUnited) November 27, 2022

wants BAT to win naa.

So his worries would definitely align with his candidate[/color]

OasisX:
Izzou.... I get your point, I clearly do. But if you won't misconstrue me as defending PMB, don't you think we need numbers in the Military and Police to tackle Insecurity too?

This is not an Agenda, I do have time for lengthy discourse on this one. Let's make it brief please.

[color=royalblue]The government found a way to reduce the gap in the teaching force, by telling corpers to go there. It may not be the best option, but it has some form of effectiveness. It is absolutely better than nothing.

A corper has a tertiary form of education, so it is assumed that he can handle the primary and secondary. Yes he may not be qualified, but the necessary knowledge can be transferred. The government didn't train you in the uni, but they can use your service in one year for some stipends.

You can't compare it with insecurity. Nobody was trained to kill in the uni or poly. So the government would have to spend resources training a corper to handle armour (and he will leave in one year oh). Isn't it better to use that same resource to training someone for life?[/color]

OasisX:
.... and the practice should keep on like that I guess?

[color=royalblue]We will have a new government in 2023.

Hopefully, it may be your candidate. Maybe he will scrap corpers from schools and hire qualified teachers[/color]

OasisX:
..... and you and I believe its not affecting the basic Education system in Nigeria one way or the other?

You always call out Government for wrongdoings but seems this one an exceptional case I guess?

[color=royalblue]Okay, let them not post corpers to schools again. Let us wait till when they recruit the qualified teachers.

This option is okay baa?

In my opinion, you have a point, but you are fighting a solution, instead of a problem.

The government cannot recruit the required number of teachers, so they ask corpers to fill that gap. How is this an abomination?

I think i don't really understand you[/color]

OasisX:


I've made my point clear bro, that's percentage is too high in my opinion.

[color=royalblue]Okay.

It's better than leaving it understaffed[/color]

OasisX:
Government should recruit teachers and stop relying on Corp Members. Perhaps Corp Members should be enlisted in the Army and Police to fight insecurity too?!

What is wrong is wrong. We can't get it right if we keep defending malpractices. If we wanna be truthful with ourselves, you and I know its wrong, so what are we trying to justify here?

If it's happening in other states too, it's wrong!

[color=royalblue]Yes, the government should recruit teachers...Qualified teachers..

But since they cannot recruit, an issue that predates even before 1999, what do you expect them to do?

Post corpers to teach?
Or let the classrooms be empty since they cannot recruit that much?[/color]

OasisX:
Agenda you say? When I clearly said the highlighted?! My posts on this Board get a pattern. If I wanna troll, catch cruise or start an agenda, I'm gonna start with an emoji.

In the absence of an emoji, it means I'm being serious with the post. Honestly it's tiring we can't discuss fairly and objectively on this board again. It's becoming a politics section thread gradually and this is exactly what we aim to avoid with this thread.

[color=royalblue]What exactly is your point, my brother?

Is it that you don't want corpers to teach?

Or is it that the 62.5% in Anambra sounds like a lie or propaganda?

Because I am starting to think that i dont understand you[/color]

OasisX:
Once again, stop looking at it from agenda point of view, I guess we should rather stick to politicking on this Board?

Every post ain't agenda driven, and I didn't share it for any fuckin agenda. If its happening across Nigeria then there is fire on the Mountain.

Where I served, we were just two Corp Members in the whole school....and that was 2013 in Oyo State.

Corp Members are not trained to teach, they can't give what they don't have. They are expected to complement, not taking over from trained, professional Teachers.

Let's set aside politics for once and discuss reality. Its boring and tiring that we are looking at every discourse from agenda point of view.

[color=royalblue]When you started asking if anybody in Anambra can confirm, it started to look like an agenda. How is this news in Nigeria that corpers still teach in schools?

Corpers are not trained to teach, but it is still a better option than leaving the class empty. Or is your solution that corpers shouldn't teach at all?

Go back to that school in Oyo, and there are still corpers there teaching even till tomorrow.
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PapalsBull:
There was a topic on f.p by stati-sense which states that s.e has the least number of out-of school children in the country and anambra has the lowest number. People attribute it to Obi effect. The copy and paste merhant wants to debunk the claim, i think.

[color=royalblue]Teaching force = 100%
NYSC corpers contribute 62.5%

What is the issue here?

If the tweet was that the force was understaffed with 62.5%, then i can understand the problem.

Corpers have been teaching since God knows when. Which one be Anambra again inside?
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OasisX:


...... so it's an agenda to you? LMFAO! Well, I get it, everything has become BAT vs Obi, Lagos vs Anambra on this Board.

80% of Corp Members ain't trained to teach, most of them even do not have basic knowledge of teaching practices.

If you're relying majorly on Corp Members to teach core subjects, then you're in for a long ride. How many Corp Members can prepare Lessons Note?

[color=royalblue]Apart from like 6 states in the country, including the FCT, 90% of corpers end up as teachers in their PPA.

You can go and fact check. You think this is an issue of Anambra?

90% of corpers in like 29 states of Nigeria end up in classrooms. You can verify if you want.

I served in Kebbi state, Koko/Besse LGA and all, (I mean ALL) the corpers posted there ended up in schools. One guy that studied education was an assistant to the Principal and a teacher too.

Its you that want to make it an agenda, using people's experiences. I have experiences too, and if i write them here, you'll shake your head.
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OasisX:
I've heard you, nothing is wrong.

[color=royalblue]You are just picking tweets to pass an agenda, which is very laughable

Maybe i should go and type my own comment, so you can screenshot it and use it as your evidence.

62.5% of Anambra's teaching workforce is made up of corpers. You have just told us that the teaching force has been complemented with 62.5%.

So, is your issue now that Ayodele Ajayi taught the whole school, while all the indigenous teachers were peeling egusi?[/color]

OasisX:
I didn't share the link for nothing sake. So headline is more important to you than going through the tweet?

Alright bro.

[color=royalblue]There are many schools that have just one Biology Teacher. Yes, just one.

I attended a Federal school...With a large population, and i can remember us having 2 teachers for physics.

I am not defending incompetency, but the reason corpers are 62.5% is because they supplement the teaching force. So while the school itself may have just one staff for Biology, there might be 3 to 4 corpers under him teaching Biology.

I served in the North, and i taught Mathematics in SS1, another corper in SS2 and so on.

Like i said, what is the issue here, when you have already told us 62.5% has complemented the remaining teaching workforce?[/color]

OasisX:
Check comments under the tweet, possibly you gonna understand better. Everything aint politics. I do not share it to blame Obi or anyone by the way.

[color=royalblue]Bros, just go straight to whatever issue that made you bring it here.

This is an issue based discourse. Why should i be scrolling through comments of everybody to deduce points from a tweet? Like i said, it is not a thread.

So, what is the issue, if 62.5% of teachers in a state are NYSC corpers?[/color]

OasisX:
Did you really go through the thread? Coz you if you, you won't be asking me that question bro?!

[color=royalblue]That is not a thread. Someone posted something on Twitter.

You brought it here, exactly as it is, and asked us to confirm

And i am asking what the issue is, assuming it is true?
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OasisX:
NYSC Anambra State Coordinator, Mrs. Blessed Ekene Iruma has said corps members constitute 62.5% of teaching staff across schools in the state.


https://twitter.com/Naija_PR/status/1596465514347372545?t=2ay2GlXfxcdDQFlNEqaA7A&s=19

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I want to believe it's a lie or propaganda but the thread seems its right. Anyone from Anambra here?!

[color=royalblue]Even if it is, what is the issue here ?[/color]

Mrphilia:
“The official foreign exchange receipt from crude oil sales into our official reserves has dried up steadily from above US$3.0 billion monthly in 2014 to an absolute zero dollars today,” - Emefiele

This is good news and should be celebrated by all Nigerians. Nice one from APC government.

[color=royalblue]Yes, baba.

Nice one. Buhari tried abeg[/color]