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italo: ^^^

Salvation is a free gift by the grace given to those who believe and are baptized. It makes us free of sin and grants us eternal life.

Salvation is however not a one-time thing but a process. It must be nurtured by doing good and avoiding evil.

Failure to do these will lead to the individual losing salvation.

so a process can be undone? A "used" gift can be returned? Have you seen a car that underwent body work and after the onwer returned it to exactly the old stage?

italo: I think you rather MISTREATED it in that thread. It is because of your mistreatment that you and Pastor Olu T are now desperately looking for a way to twist "work out your salvation" to mean something else.

If salvation cant be lost, then once you have it, you dont need to work out anything.

You dont need to do anything. You dont even need to "respect" it for it to stay.

Think about it and stop mistreating Bible verses.

read romans 11:29 and decide yourself.

italo: Salvation is a free gift from God but that gift can be lost. You have to keep living up to the standard God expects of you to retain that gift.

You must keep doing good and avoiding evil all your life.

That is what it means to "work out" your salvation.

the only thing I disagree about your post is that salvation could be lost. We have treated that in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1467171/saved-person-lose-salvation

Pastor Olu T: To understand this u have to read the following verse which says it God that work in u both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Now the work is this, u are saved by accepting Jesus as ur Lord and savior and nothing added to it for its a free gift. Bt being saved does not mean that u are immediately translated to Heaven, u have to remain on earth n live for Christ. Now remaining on earth and living for Christ means that u manifest His life on earth.

Now working out ur salvation does not mean work ur way till u get saved, u are saved already by accepting Jesus. Even as He had wrought salvation in u, He continues the work by bearing u fruit according to the likeness of Christ. Those seeds are in seed form n needed to be nurtured to maturity which is where ur working out ur salvation comes in. U work out ur salvation by allowing (by being diligent) the HolyGhost to work in u to will and to do of the fathers good pleasure, 'cos even as xtian ur freewill still remain n u can resist Him.

Scriptures to consider
Philippians 2:12-13, Galatian 4:1, 5:16&25, Romans 8:1-6, 2Peter 1:3-10, 3:18

Did not quote all the scriptures not to make the post too long.

thank you pastor. More views needed.

Since we all know that salvation is "FREE" and non of our works determines that. What does Paul mean when he told the phillipians(phil. 2vs12) to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"? I've read some articles on this but still not clear to me. One suggested that the word "work out" is not exactly what it means in greek. It says that the proper word to use in today's english would be "respect"(respect your salvation with fear and trembling, respect the salvation you have been given freely)

RIP bro. I believe you're gone for the best. My thoughts are with your family.

Romans 11:29

Ubenedictus: where does the bible say this?

Does it mean the gift has not been given? God says that his gifts are IRREVOCABLE

haibe: he would surely know I am not using the gift because I want it no more.

Then you did that willingly as you accepted it willingly. And remember the giver of the gift would still have it in mind that you're still using the gift!

haibe: I don't have to return it, I can throw it away.

Because you can't return a gift you have enjoyed!

haibe: why not?

Ubenedictus: a free gift can be freely rejected.

not after you have aceepted it.

This is really confusing. May the Holy Spirit help us. I have no definite answer to this myself that's why I asked. Following Romans 11:29-"the gifts and callings of God are IRREVOCABLE", and salvation is FREE(a gift) I don't think it can be lost but that doesn't mean that we go ahead commiting sin because "we can't continue in sin that grace may abound".

The bible says if I confess and believe in Christ Jesus.

I've read some articles on salvation and some biblical verses do suggest that we may while some also suggest we can't. What do you think guys? I need good bible students here.

They are doing this because they know people(esp hotels, restaurants, view centres, etc) will pay as long as they have the EPL rights.

Good info here but God won't allow me to experience these!

I don't get this. How did it manage to land when the tyres had exploded on take off?

I hope we win!

Baba_Eleko: Next time u wan fly, tell dem make den book any available 23 years old flight for u. Oloshi.


What's wrong with 23 years old is because it's older than you. Zombie

must you be insultive? At 23, the plane is still in its peak. All that is needed is adequate maintainance.

I'm proud to be a teacher!

eyenCalabar: ***farthing on this thread***

who cares?!

By the stripes of Jesus Christ she is healed, amen.

Money is sweet!

@yinchar
To those who understood the irony and answered without insults, thank u.

Booty4me:

that's cool

What's a PHD?

Can u educate us more on their experiences? I also want to buy here.

How time flies!

The price of beans also increased from 100 to between 260 and 300 per derica cup. God help us, I think it's better to buy in bags if one can afford it.

Two weeks? mine's for 2days.

Because fighting ignorance makes u ignorant too, God fights His battle

pDude: I was banned too for the same offence. Get over it.

that's what I'm trying to do.