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livingchrist:
you dodged my initial question,
Who was God talking to when he said let us make man?

God (Eloha) was conversing with Himself(Elohim). In Hebrew it is called Elohim, and it is Plural of God. This name is normally used when God wants to make decisions.

Let me refer you two passages from scripture where God takes counsel with Himself

1. At the creation of man (Genesis 1:26)

2. The temptation and the fall of man(Genesis 3:22)

3. The tower of Babel. (Genesis 11:5-7)

livingchrist:
yes I serve Jesus, he is God and I ask you a very simple question who are the persons of the Godhead?
You already said there are three persons in one entity , yes I agree with you that has being my point all through.
By the way, Jesus is Almighty God but he is not the father.

The trinity is simple, I am just repeating my self again.
The father is Almighty God
The Holy spirit is Almighty God
Jesus is Almighty God
But Jesus is not the father neither is the father the holy Spirit nor the holy Spirit Jesus.
Is it clear to you now?

I answered you through a modified post earlier. Scroll up and see it

haddeylium:
So in summary, Jesus is not the prophet that Moses' foretold would be like him right?

Let me get this straight : are you saying like or exactly? Please select one so we can conclude. Because it seems your understanding of the word LIKE is off-point

livingchrist:
y
@bolded see how you are contradicting yourself.

@least you can now see that God is a trinity of three persons right?
Now who are the three persons?

It is not a contradiction. Jesus is that God you claim to know and serve.

God has three manifestation of Himself. And they are the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. These manifestations came in different points in time. For example :

In the old testament, it was God the Father that was dealing with Abraham and his descendants(The Israelites)

When we look to the four gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) it was with God the Son who was at the centre of affairs. Which is why the gospels basically talk about the life of Jesus and His style of ministry.

The Book of The Acts of the Apostles down to Revelations of John deal with the God the Holy Spirit who reveals the mystery of God after the departure of Jesus Christ. It is through this Holy Spirit that the mystery of "Godliness "(1Timothy 3:16) was revealed.

haddeylium:
Don't box
You agreed Jesus is the prophet Moses foretold that would 'be like himself?

Oga, I thought you were wise but I can see folly in you.

In Deut8:18, Moses said that God will raise a prophet from the Hebrews that will be like[/b]him.

The word [b] Like here does not mean Jesus will exactly represent the position and authority Moses occupied and represented, no.

In fact Moses and Jesus have very little in common.

haddeylium:
What analogy did you see there.
Don't force one into it pleases

Moses said 'God will raise a prophet Like him.
The question is' Who's that prophet that will be like Moses?

Did you not read my last post? I already answer that question.

Society is programmed to understand that masculine behavior is for men and not women.

And even if masculine behavior is exhibited by women, it is still welcomed because they are still seen as women

Since when did social media become the right channel for seeking justice. It seems this lady does not know the road to a court.

Next!

DappaD:
The word “God” doesn't appear in 1Timothy 3:16 this is already becoming old news nau. It was forcefully inputted by your mischievous KJV translators.

That is another lie Charles Tuze told you J-boy. The idea that the translation is "incorrect" just exposes the stupidity of those who try to discredit the divinity of Jesus.


Even if we were to assume that the translation is incorrect, and we agreed that the writers of the bible bungled-up the meaning of words, we cannot overlook the claims Jesus made about Himself and those attributes that made Him God.

Jesus clearly has the identity mark of God through scripture and this is seen through His works and sayings.

haddeylium:
I'm interested in this part
Moses' foretold that
Deuteronomy 18:18
I (Jehovah) will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.

A prophet like Moses?... Who's he?
©Moses served as God
©He served as Deliverer
©He was a mediator of a covenant

So, who's that prophet?

Another wrong analogy for using Moses to compare to Jesus.

For your information, Jesus is prophet according to the book of acts, but is He more than a prophet because miracles were done in His name. Miracles were never done in the name of any prophet in the bible.

Or were miracles done in the name of Moses?

HedwigesMaduro:
If I had read the book of John? You mean the same book that says "no one hath ever seen God", right?

Now you are making sense!


No one had ever seen God, true. But that did not stop God from revealing Himself. Let us see how He did this :

1Timothy3:16:


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.


From the above verse, God has been seen. The revelation and the mystery of our God was revealed and He was seen by both men and angels.

haddeylium:
Calm down lady!
You quoted the verse!
The Word was God meant something that happened in the past...WAS!

This is difference from 'The word is God'...right?

Oga, you are just confused.

The bible said " In the beginning wasthe word and the words was with God, and the word God. "


By seeing the word was, it means this reported speech was done in the past and it does not in anyway, change the scriptural interpretation of the writer's narrative.

Preciousgirl:


Your blindness is beyond healing

I WEEP for your soul

They have not read the entire bible so how can they get the whole picture

MaxInDHouse:
Both Moses and Jesus delivered without using a military force so both of them are Gods!

Wrong again JW.

Moses and Jesus are in no way the same. Neither do they play the same roles in the anyway whatsoever. And here are reasons

1. Moses is just was a prophet God used to deliver Israel from Egyptian oppression, but Jesus is a deity (John1:1 and Isaiah9:6)that was worshipped.

2. Moses was a sinner, and his sin caused him not to see the promised land ; but Jesus was sinless and to the best of my knowledge, it is only God who is sinless.

3. Jesus forgive sins. And it is only God that has the right to forgive sins. The man Moses could never forgive sins because he was a just a man like you and me.

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livingchrist:
I just laugh at your ignorance, which puzzle, when Jesus already told you the father is another person.
The witness of two people is what is taking as truth in the law and Jesus said he is one that bear witness and the father a second person also bear witness making them two people hence Jesus testimony is true, however this cannot be true if Jesus is the same person as the father.
Furthermore, in John chapter 1 the word was with God telling you that the word is a person while the father and the holy Spirit are other persons,
Again in Genesis God said let us create man in our image, does this not tell you God is more than one person?
The trinity is all over the scripture, Jesus said baptise in the name of the father and of the son and of the spirit, these are three persons mentioned.

Jesus was sent by the father and the holy Spirit, throughout the scripture there are hint about the trinity, so my dear brother there is no puzzle there, right from Genesis God said let us which mean more than one person.

[/s] Three persons in one entity called Jesus(Colossians 2:9).

MaxInDHouse:
I only played along using your logic Sir!

Please quote where I used such logic?

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent idea Sir!

That's why JEHOVAH said to Moses

"look i have made you God" Exodus 7:1

Definitely the same person who made Moses a deliverer and God did the same with Jesus! Deuteronomy 18:15-18

For your information Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet like Moses! Act 3:22

Because they were both sent as deliverers and Gods!

Wrong JW.

Jesus is only one who can saves us from sin, and it is only God who can do that ; not even Moses.


So just ditch the whole Moses analogy because they are completely different people

[quote author=DappaD post=97261288][/quote]You do not answer questions with questions.

MaxInDHouse:
Please admit that Satan is organized and orderly whereas your Jesus is the author of confusion and absurdity Sir! Matthew 7:15-20

Because JWs are the most organized and orderly group the world has ever known, so if they are so organized and you can't present any group belonging to your Jesus that's better than the JWs, then what's the value of your Jesus? Luke 12:10

JW is a cult whose its founder started its origin from by reading the bible backward with a twist. To me, that makes JW just like Islam and Buddhism

DappaD:
I'm not digressing sir. I'm only showing you from within the Bible that what this your trinity you want to by all means import into it doesn't fit in with the Scriptures.

You are not digressing abi? Okay let us go back to that post.


Here is :

"For your information, Moses was sent to deliver God's people from slavery, not sin.
Jesus on the other hand, was sent to deliver mankind from sin. And who is that one person who can deliver mankind from sin...? Is it not God alone? Does man have the ability to deliver Himself? No.
Automatically, that qualified Jesus to be God. "



The bolded, is the analogy, according to the bible, true or false. Answer

livingchrist:
Are they not mocking you now? Lol
Weak? You call what Jesus said as weak? May God have mercy on you

The verses you quoted are weak. And why do I call them weak? I call them weak because they are just a part of the jigsaw puzzle that gives the true identity of who Jesus is.

DappaD:
So what happened after Adam sinned? Didn't he bring upon all humans sin and death? Romans 5:12?
In your KJV BIBLE, Jesus said he came to the earth to give his life as a “ransom” Matthew 20:28
According to your dictionary, what is the meaning of the word “ransom”?

Why are you digressing? Why not accept what I posted previously? Or does the post go contrary to what the bible says?

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MaxInDHouse:
The greatest impossibility!

Jesus said "those who aren't on my side will SCATTER" {Luke 11:23} two or three individuals can never agree on what Jesus never taught talkless of a full church!

There is no church where they can have the same line of thought my brother, unless Jesus is a liar. Because he fervently begged his father to use that as the sign to identify his own group {John 17:20-23} so they can never agree no matter how hard they try, it's only when they come against Jesus' true followers {JWs} that critics hide their differences in a show of shame! Act 23:6-10

[/s] JWs are following Satan through Charles Russell Tuze.

DappaD:
Please are you a learner? As in them born you yesterday?
Because even a teenager in one of your churches knows that this trinity you're carrying on your head now was forged by the Catholic Church.


Sir please leave all these your “encounter” and “falling-under-anointing” trash alone for now and focus on the topic.

So who now told you livingchrist didn't have an “encounter” before he started giving his own version of the trinity?

Oga, I just asked you a question. Answer it and stop being silly.

DappaD:
Who told you it's not related? Exodus 3:10 said God sent somebody to set Israel free from slavery and Exodus 20:2 says that God took responsibility for it even though the human he sent was he one who appeared before Pharaoh.
John 3:16 said that God sent somebody to set obedient humans free from slavery to sin and death Romans 8:21
But now you're saying God is the same as the person he sent in the case of John 3:16?
How desperate can you be?

Oga, you do not understand the bible neither do you understand the purpose of Jesus coming.


For your information, Moses was sent to deliver God's people from slavery, not sin.

Jesus on the other hand, was sent to deliver mankind from sin. And who is that one person who can deliver mankind from sin...? Is it not God alone? Does man have the ability to deliver Himself? No.

Automatically, that qualified Jesus to be God.

DappaD:
So you don't know that it was Catholics that forged this your trinity dogma which you now hold dearly? Is their own “Holy Ghost” different from yours?

Catholics forged it? Hahahaha...my belle o. Please have you ever had an encounter before?

DappaD:
Wait for your trinitarian brothers to come and explain what their “Holy Ghost” taught them too. So when livingchrist was explaining his own version of Trinity why were you castigating him since it's the same “Holy Ghost” working amongst you people?
You cannot claim that what your “Holy Ghost” taught you is superior to what theirs taught them. No it's not acceptable!


Your 1John 5:7 falsehood has already been exposed long before now. Go online and search for “Comma Johannine”. That should cure your delusions.


You're not even ashamed that you're DIRECTLY misconstruing a simple Scripture? Please who did God send to Pharaoh? Did God send himself or Moses? Exodus 3:10
Who took credit/glory for bringing Israel out of Egypt? God or Moses? Exodus 20:2

Your analogy is weak and seriously off -point here. Jesus is the word of God and and He is also God (John1:1l) and scripture says this expressly. Please why are you finding this so hard to accept? Why are you bring Moses and Aaron who are in now way related to this conversations?

DappaD:
Shuu
I will quote livingchrist again and again til you accept that all you trinitarians dogheads are confused. Shey livingchrist isn't a JW yet you disagree with his own trinity version nah? Lol

The chap you mentioned is probably Catholic or Anglican and they too are like JW and they reject the divinity of Jesus being God. Which is why you can barely see miracles happening there.


P. S : Charismatics Catholics no vex o. Una own different

HedwigesMaduro:
So if someone says "if you see the first lady you've seen the president" it means the first lady is the president? Or you've not heard "if you see that boy you've seen his father" before? Jesus said He has a God, but you prefer an expression that is more idiomatic than a literal, direct confession. That's up to you though. Shalom.

Read John14:9 with understanding please.

If you had taken the pains to read the whole book of John, you would see that Jesus spoke a long time about His Father.


He kept talking about His Father and His disciples, being curious to know who His father was, decided to ask the question : [Lord show us the Father. This is not a literal expression, no. The disciples here wanted traceable evidence of something they could see! And Jesus pointedly told them He was the Father.

Throughour the Bible, Jesus indirectly speaks to His audience as God. Here are a few of His sayings.

8. In whom should we place faith in order to have eternal life? Jesus
Jesus says, "the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who
believes in him may have eternal life" John 3:14, 15
Jesus says, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish"
John 10:28
9. Through whom is salvation? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved."
John 10:9
10. Who satisfies our spiritual hunger and thirst? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never
go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty" John 6:35
11. Who will raise people on the Last Day? Jesus
Jesus says, "everyone who looks to the Son and believe in Him shall
have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day"
John 6:40-44
12. Who is the bread of life? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the bread of life" John 6:48
13. Whose words will never pass away? Jesus'
Jesus says, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will
never pass away." Mark 13:31
14. Who gives life? Jesus
Jesus says, "the one who feeds on me will live because of me"
John 6:57
Jesus says, "if a man keeps my word, he will never see death."
John 8:51
15. Who is the Life? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the life." John 14:6
16. Who will give life if we lose life for his sake? Jesus
Jesus says, "Whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."
Matthew 10:39
17. To whom shall we give our highest love? Jesus
Jesus says, "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me
is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more
than me is not worthy of me." Matthew 10:37, 38
18. Who gives streams of living water? Jesus
Jesus says, "He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said,
streams of living water will flow from within him" John 7:38, 39
19. Who is the light of the world? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the light of the world" John 8:12, 9:5
20. Who sets people free from sin? Jesus
Jesus says, "Every one who sins is a slave to sin. If the Son
sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:34, 36
21. Who has the right to forgive sin? Jesus
Jesus says, "So that you may know that the Son of Man has
authority on earth to forgive sins" Matthew 9:6
22. Who is eternal? Jesus
Jesus says, "before Abraham was born, I am" John 8.58
23. Who is the resurrection and the life?


Does God not do all these? Answer please.

DappaD:
It's not a baseless question.
Simple question what is the name of your church sir? Because whatever you're saying now we are meant to see visible application of it in real life and not just head knowledge.
I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I consider only those in my faith to be true Christians. Reason is because Jesus said the road to everlasting life is very very very narrow and only a few are finding it. Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24; Ephesians 4:1-6
So rephrase that statement again, because people who have conflicting beliefs and customs and who are always in disagreement CANNOT all be worshipers of the same God no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. 1Corinthians 14:33,40

So you are JW? Blood of God!!! I never knew.
Anyway, now that you have told me, I cannot agree with you because of some satanic indoctrinations Charles Tuze let you swallow. And these doctrines run contrary to what i have read and seen from the bible.



Peace.

DappaD:
Colossians 1:15 and Hebrews 1:3 will solve your John 14:9 riddle for you.
Was Jesus able to reflect his Father's qualities of love, compassion, loyalty, patience, humility & righteousness? Matthew 11:29, Mark 1:40-42, Philippians 2:3-5, Hebrews 7:26

Oga park abeg. So those scriptures that Jesus spoke expressly about Himself were lies abi? Oga pack abeg.