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Janosky:
You didn't write the Bible doesn't mean you should twist Collossians 2:9 when you refused to read and understand Collossians 1:19 & Collossians 2:10..( it pleases the Father to grant divine nature to Jesus Christ coupled with authority in heaven whereas, you lied that Jesus is the Father)

It doesn't mean you should twist John 14:9 when you refused to read and understand John 20:17 and John 14:28. The Father is greater than Jesus but you lied that Jesus is the Father)

Even John 3:16, you pay lip service to... " God so loved the world HE sent His Son" una no agree. Una say .
"God sent himself "

Oga, God is a tripartite being ;just as man is also a tripartite being. Which is why we are created in His image and possess those qualities of Him. (Genesis2)


God exist in three forms : The Father, The Son (aka the word) and The Holy Spirit. These three forms are one and are always in agreement and bear witness of matters on earth and in heaven. (1John5:7)

Think of them as water existing in three state of matter :

Gas (Steam)

Solid(Ice)

Liquid (Water)

For the fact that water exist in these forms , does not remove the fact that it is water. So also is it with God.

God created the world through His word and this Word was the God (John 1:1). This means that God created the world through God. And this is a great mystery which only few can discern.

And as for John 3:16, that verse is still the same thing as God sending God into the world. Or is Jesus not the word of God, that was also God?

HedwigesMaduro:
But Jesus Christ in the Bible claims He has a God. Who is that God? Or should I assume Christ was lying (God forbid) and that you are telling the truth that He is the Almighty God?

Ask the book of John14:9. Read it carefully and see what Jesus claimed He was. I no fit shout oga

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DappaD:
Jashub please what is the name of your church let's inspect whether your pastor and church members share your views?

[/s]That questions is completely basesless. Are we not all Christians? The heaven you are going to is it different from mine? Please be guided.

Janosky:
Isaiah 9:6, The son will be called... Prince of peace, Mighty God..." ,so what ?
Jesus is not Prince of peace, Mighty God before his birth on earth, Bros,no dey make FALSE claims.
Jahshub WILL BE called "the Barrister/Justice of the Peace.. at birth are you a Barrister/Justice of the Peace?
Bros,Receive SENSE



Mighty God in Hebrew meaning Mighty One, is a title of Man, Jesus, Angels, & Jehovah.
Only Jehovah is Almighty, Most High , Psalms 83:18. Exodus 6:3, confirm.

Colossians 2:10 , says it's in heaven he received the fullness of divine nature.. (Colossians 1:19, it pleases God his Father to grant Jesus divine nature .
Who grants divine nature to Jesus your Father ?


If Jesus is your Father in John 14:9, Bros, @ John 14:28, Why would Jesus your Father say his own Father is greater than Jesus

Bros, I did not write the bible o. I only met it here and what it said is what I quoted to you. So why you come dey reject wetin bible talk? Or are you now smarter than the Author of the Bible ?

Janosky:
Please explain what Jesus Christ told you
@ Matthew 6:9, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5..

Who is the Father of Jesus Christ in the spiritual realm and earthly realm?

So Isaiah 9:6, John14:9 and Colossians 2:9 are not part of Jesus words...abi? Did Charles tell you not to read those parts of the bible before drawing a conclusion of who Jesus really is?



So if you like, continue to misinterpret bible to suit Charle's definition of how Christians should accept Jesus and the things He said about Himself. Na your palava

Janosky:
Jahshub knows what lies in Scriptures
Is Matthew 6:9 in your Bible?
Please quote it for us

Thanks but I certainly do not like reading one page of a book before coming to a narrow conclusion. I read everything in the book. And that will give me a good idea of what that book says.

Janosky:
If to say Jahshub and Precious girl no learn the model prayer of Jesus @ Matthew 6:9, I for understand

They attended kindergarten and recited the model prayer of Jesus teaching :"Our Father who art in heaven"
Yet, they reject the truth they learnt in kindergarten and came to Nairaland to make a mockery of themselves.
TUEH !!

Mockery? Who is feeding you that lie? Wait let me guess...its Charles Russell Tuze, isn't it?

Janosky:
GIBBERISH

You can't defend the topic of this thread, you want to derail this thread and your only solace is to resort to FALSE claims and GIBBERISH

I do not need to defend the Bible and I thank my God your cult(JW), can never influence my steadfast belief of what lies in scriptures.

P. S: You can cashout on that

The JW movement created by Charles Russell Tuze is a satanic movement. That is why you will never see miracles happening there. They even reject the Holy Spirit

Preciousgirl:
I tell you

He earlier created a thread stating Jesus is YWHW

Today he says Jesus is not YHWH making him a laughing stock to the jw cultists

If anyone denies that Jesus Christ is the Father, then he is a jw.

To deny Jesus' deity, jws have doctored the Bible and removed/modified all verses supporting the truth to Hold their stupid and blasphemous teaching that The Lord Jesus Christ is a created being.

Jw is ANTICHRIST.

Their doctrine is to undermine Our Lord Jesus.

God bless you Jahshub

God bless you for this!

livingchrist:
fools always mock at wisdom, why are you striking out where Jesus told you he is a different person from the father.
There is nowhere Jesus told you he is the father.

I never struck anything out; It is you who did that. You chose to use a handful of verses that hold a very weak argument to explain the true identity of Jesus. If you had taken the time to go through the four gospels you will see that each writer expressed Jesus from different perspectives.

And by the way, those JW chaps are mocking you big time!

The countries you mentioned are developed countries were poverty is almost nonexistent. So definitely, a lot of people over there do not need to tell lies to get by.

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livingchrist:
Jesus also prayed for his disciples to be one as they are one. John 17vv11.
By saying Jesus and the father are the same person you make Jesus a liar.
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Did you see where Jesus called his father 'another'.
If Jesus (as one person) bears witness then his witness cannot be true (according to the law).

[/s] You are still contradicting yourself, that is why the JW boys are silently mocking you.

Jesus prayed that He and His disciples should be one. But He never identified Himself and them being one.


John 14:9 tells us plainly His identity.

livingchrist:
what type of stupid question is this, didnt you see what Jesus himself said concerning he and his father or you think Jesus was lying?

Well actually, you are the one who is making the scripture look stupid by trying to contradict what Jesus said about Himself.

By you saying Jesus and God are two differ personages, then it contradicts John 14:9 as His identity. It also contradicts 10:30 which says "I and my Father are one ".

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sonmvayina:
But his birthday is coming according to tbe people that sold the tale to your ancestors, i can pardon your ancestors as they accepted the abdurdity out of fear and intimidation...not you..

There is a big library called the internet.

[/s] Illogical rants

sonmvayina:
Are you saying that jesus is still the father of himself...hmm christianity and bull shiit are like 5 and 6

Why do you narrow Jesus to that nursery-school logic . For your information, Jesus is as old as time itself. It means He is ageless

michoim:
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Nonsense talk from the pit of hell

Just say you are a supporter of the greedy (Tinubu). Period

And there is more....loading

enilove:
If that of pharaoh and Joseph did not satisfy you , what about the 1st Corinthian 5 26-28 I whowed you ?

Was that written by me ?

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 KJV
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is EXCEPTED which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM , that God may be all in all.

The Revelation Jesus gave John tells us that Jesus is sitting by the right hand of God the Father.

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


This does not mean that Jesus is not God . He is still God because he is our Creator whom God was talking to in Genesis :

Genesis 1:26-27 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God told Jesus , let us create man in our image .But after that the Bible ''God created man in his image ''.
Why not THEY OR GODS created man in their images ?
This is because , God the Father and God the Son are One . That is , all is for the Father since the Son does nothing of his own but for the Father.

A husband and wife are one does not mean they are not different people .


Jesus Christ is also the Alpha and Onega , the Almighty God like His Father who is Greater than His Son.

Please do not get me wrong in all in this :

I am not arguing with the verses you quoted; on the contrary I accept them as God's word. But where I contend with you is on the explanation/interpretation of the whole picture the bible portrays of Jesus through scripture The verses you quoted do not give a complete picture because they do not correlate to the things Jesus said about Himself neither do they give a full definition of who Jesus really is . Which leave a gap that only the Holy Spirit can cover.

Now look let us compare some notes on the attributes of God and relate them to Jesus:


Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's[b/]
2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's
3. Who sends angels? God
4. To whom belong the elect?God
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God
7. Who comes from Heaven? God



Why do I claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? I did not invent this idea, no. Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over.

Let us see some answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20


2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20


3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]


4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31


5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20


6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13


7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28

apple30:
una done start everything is godly or ungodly Nigerians wt religion them carry am for head like oshuka ..una weldon oo

Without religion we will live with the animals

livingchrist:
the hebrew word used for 'one' is also used for compound unity.

The word interpreted as one Lord is actually a plurality of oneness.
You are the one rejecting what Jesus said about he and the father.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Did you see that Jesus is saying he and the father are different persons?
If Jesus is the same person as the father, it will mean Jesus is bearing witness for himself and thereby braking the law.

For Jesus testimony to be true he and the father must be two separate persons.

Did you see that Jesus is saying he and the father are different persons?

The bolded is a serious contradiction because you are indirectly telling us here, that Jesus and God are two different personages with a separate existence. But you fail to understand that in Colossian 2:9, scripture says that the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form is in Jesus, which happens to be one Person . The bolded contradicts many other verses. Examples are : 1Timothy 3:16 , Isiah 9:6 and 1John 5:7.

enilove:
ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS ARE :


1 ) The case is like that of Joseph and Pharaoh.
Was Joseph ruling over pharaoh ? No.

Genesis 41:40-43 KJV
Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou. [41] And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt. [42] And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck; [43] And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.

Paul also explained this in :

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 KJV
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

2) Jesus simply means , there is no need of seeing the Father since they are one. It means why looking for the father when you have me ?

3 ) John 1: .... makes it clear that Jesus was with God .

Jesus is God because he is the Son of God. The child of a lion is not goat but lion.

All things were made by Jesus because the Father is the Chief architect giving the Son the instructions .

The Word means the word of creation spoken by God and carried out by Jesus :

Genesis 1:3-4 KJV
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


LET THERE BE LIGHT MEANS .. My Son , create Light . And God inspected it and saw that it was Good .
That I why the Bible says NOTHING WAS MADE THAT WAS NOT MADE BY HIM.

CHECK THIS :
Proverbs 8:22-28 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:....

THe father sets everything in motion and the Son did the works. You can't be looking at your father working in the farm and fold your hands and be looking.

Let me point out certain things that do not correlate in your post :


1. Your relation of Joseph and Pharaoh to Jesus and God is seriously off point because Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead (Colossian 2:9). So He cannot be two separate persons.


2. For a long time, Jesus spoke about His Father and His disciples being curious, wanted to know who this Father really was. So Jesus says, "I and the Father are one" John (10:30). Then one of the disciples(Philip) wanting to really know the identity of the father, then asked :

"Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.". Please notice the bold. He did not say image or presence ; he said SHOW. Meaning identify.

Now Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"[/b]John 14:8, 9.

Please notice the word used by Jesus : [b]See

Why do Christians claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? Christians did not invent this idea, Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over. Christians accept His Word. Those who disagree, disagree with Jesus and what He says.


Besides all this, God has even repeated it many times that He will not share His glory with another,and neither should worship be ascribed to any other other God. But in scripture, we see that Jesus is worshipped (Matthew28:17 and John20:28) and He does not rejects it.

Here is are more verses to prove the point for doubters and I shall post them bit by bit to avoid the spam bots that keep patrolling

livingchrist:
I have no time for repetition, mr.
Due 6vv4 actually is a proof of trinity.
The Lord our God is one. Go and check the hebrew interpretation

Wrong sire. In Deut6:4, The word "our " is not a referent to God, but to the people who listened to the reported speech given by Moses command.

Secondly, the Hebrew translation you are hastily referring me to holds the same textual content of the word


But no wahala sha.

Jesus is still God whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. And anyone who rejects the scriptures of what Jesus said about Himself, simply rejects Jesus and His words.

Peace


Peace.

livingchrist:
God is greater than than Jesus because Jesus took a lower position. Philipians 2vv7


Jesus didnt say he was the father, 'he that has seen me has seen the father' does not mean he his the father, Jesus said that because he is the express image of the father.

yes Jesus is God but not the father.
Did you see where it said that the word was with God?
Again, when God said let us make man in our image who was he talking to? Was it not the other members of the trinity?
Jesus is not the father, but he is God nevertheless.

You have not answered any questions but I will give you more time to come up with more compelling answers. But let us digress a bit.

"Here O Israel, the Lord our God is one."(Deut 6:4)

Now according to you and your analogy, we have three Gods now, right?


Please are you aware that Jesus was worshipped? Who do we worship if not God Himself? Are you also aware that the fullness of the Godhead(the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in bodily form is in Jesus (Colossians 2:9)?

jacksondavies:
You got scammed by someone who used a bank account.

If he scammed you with crypto the money would have been in the wind.

You'd most likely never recover it.

Correct

livingchrist:
you have good grasped on biblical truth, unfortunately these days many people do not want to put up with biblical truth.
There was a time I actually believed Jesus was the same person as the father but the holy Spirit through the bible revealed to me the truth and also I had some powerful revelations about the trinity, although I do not fully understand the trinity but I came to understand that it is true and the bible is as clear as day light.
The following I understood about God,
1. God is a being with three distinct persons
2.each person is fully God
3.All persons are one being.

A being is what someone or something is but a person is the consciousness or awareness of that being.
God is a tri personal being, meaning he unlike us exist in three separate consciousness of individuals so much so that each individual relate with each other as a separate person, each has a personality of his own but are united in the absolute sense.
The unity of all persons stem from their being God.
So, there are three persons but just one God.
Jesus is not the father, the father is not the holy Spirit and the holy spirit is not Jesus, it has always being like this from eternity, there was no modification neither will there be modification for God can not change.

Some people believe Jesus is the same person as the father in heaven but Jesus constantly relate with the father as a separate person even in heaven Jesus still relate with the father as a separate person and so also the holy spirit.
Those people who believe Jesus is God the father, ask them who died for their sin? Is it the holy Spirit, Jesus or the father?
Who spoke from heaven during Jesus baptism?
Who descended like a dove on Jesus?
They believe Jesus went to heaven and transformed himself to the holy spirit, imagine such unbiblical rubbish? So Jesus spoke from heaven declaring himself as his own son? Or Jesus turn to the holy spirit and descended on himself? Only the doctrine of the trinity which is separate persons of the Godhead can fully reveal the truity of the scriptures.

I asked questions relating to this topic. Kindly answer them with biblical references.

Here they are :

Let me ask you the following questions:


1. If God is indeed greater than Jesus, then why will He command that all beings in Heaven, and on earth bow before Jesus(Phillipians 2:10)? Is that not an error on His part...is God not also amongst the inhabitants of Heaven? Does it mean God too will bow before Jesus?


2. Why would Jesus explicitly tell His disciples He was the Father (John14:9)? Was He lying to them by making this claim?

3. John chapter 1 said " the Word was with God", but it also said, " the Word was God ". And all things were created by Him and for Him (Colossian 1:16), so why can He(Jesus) not be God?

It is only the greedy that blesses the wicked.

jesusjnr2020:
Pray for him instead of worrying about him if you really care about him.

Nairaland is a battlefield not a playground.

God bless.

True talk

Preciousgirl:
Bless U

And you too.

When I was younger, I never knew who Jesus was. But through the grace of the Holy Spirit, the knowledge of whom Jesus really is came and I am very grateful for it.

It made me understand that the knowledge of God is progressive and never ending.

enilove:
But Jesus said :

He has a Father who is greater than him.

It is only the Father that knows the very time of his second coming.

He was going to sit in the right hand of his Father .

The Father sent him.

And John the Baptist said Jesus is the Son of God.

The gospel of John tells us that Jesus is the ''word of God '' and he was WITH God .

The old testimament also talks about the Son of God .
David also confirms it by saying '' the Lord said to my Lord'' ...

These are Bible references to tell you I am not changing , adding or making personal opinion about the the word of God.

Let me ask you the following questions:


1. If God is indeed greater than Jesus, then why will He command that all beings in Heaven, and on earth bow before Jesus(Phillipians 2:10)? Is that not an error on His part...is God not also amongst the inhabitants of Heaven? Does it mean God too will bow before Jesus?


2. Why would Jesus explicitly tell His disciples He was the Father (John14:9)? Was He lying to them by making this claim?

3. John chapter 1 said " the Word was with God", but it also said, " the Word was God ". And all things were created by Him and for Him (Colossian 1:16), so why can He(Jesus) not be God?

True talk

Bondage is a fearful thing