₦airaland Forum

ZIMDRILL said:

3 his paryt stole most of the money britain sent for re settelement when tony blair came to power and asked for the auditing on the money the john major government gave to his government he couldnt produce anything and tony cut off the deal

You are a bloody LIAR. There was NO PART of the land resettlement deal that involved Britain sending money to the Zimbabwean government. There was a ''willing buyer willing seller'' arrangement under which Britain and America were to buy back land from the white farmers and return to the government. It was a form of compensation of the white farmers for the redistributed land. Britain reneged on this arrangement in 1997 after less than 10% of the land had been redistributed. So learn your facts about the country you claim to come from.

To tell you how easily Africans have been brainwashed over Mugabe, let's assume for instance that THIS was the mode of reporting the crisis from the outset by the BBC from whom channels like NTA get their cue:

Day 1: Welcome to BBC News. Hundreds of war veterans, supported by the army have stormed white farms in Zimbabwe, after Britain reneged on a deal to compensate white farmers for land redistribution, putting the Mugabe govt in a difficult position. The war veterans are protesting 22 years of non fulfillment of promises to redistribute the land in a country where 3% of the population who are white own 95% of the land and minerals of the country. The injustice of this arrangement has been condemned by Africans and human rights groups the world over, lending global sympathy to the cause of the war veterans.

Day 2: More white-owned farms have been seized by the war veterans, with the Zimbabwean government apparently falling in line with the mood of the nation calling for justice for the 15 million dispossessed Zimbabweans made to live as tenants on their ancestral lands despite having won a war of independence 22 years before. Rights groups have called upon the British government to re-commence the compensation program as agreed under the Lancaster House Agreement of 1976, in order to forestall the forcible takeover of lands, but all pleas have fallen on deaf ears of the British govt led by Tony Blair.

Day 3: Zimbabweans show support for Revolution: Thousands of Zimbabweans came out in support of the war veterans and the ZANU PF party in their stand off with white farmers, who they accuse of colluding with Britain to delay land redistribution. Several protesters narrated how they were beaten and made slaves by their white farm owners, with several known to have been killed by white farmers in over a hundred years of their forcefully occupying previously black-held lands across the country.

Day 4: (Malnourished babies shown) Punitive economic sanctions by western nations led by Britain have continued to wreak havoc on the people of Zimbabwe, whose only crime it seems was to call for justice for their communities and for their nation, for the land to be redistributed to give every Zimbabwean the chance of a better life. The nation has been barred access to all international credit, and subjected to trade blockades, causing widespread suffering. The people, led by President Mugabe, have vowed to resist attempts at breaking their will, and their quest for justice, as human rights groups voiced condemnation of the punitive sanctions imposed by western powers. One commentator described the sanctions, which have led to thousands of deaths so far, as ''wicked and vindictive''.


Day 5: You Get The Picture


Now, THIS TRUE version of events was NOT the one aired by BBC, CNN, and NTA (who take their cue from western news sources).

If THIS version had been aired, most Nigerians and Africans would have a totally DIFFERENT view of what happened in Zimbabwe. Mugabe would NOT be the villain. The villain would be Blair and his cohorts.

This is why we say that the western media CONTROL THE THOUGHTS of majority of Africans in relation to major issues such as this, in a way most Africans do not even BEGIN to appreciate.

Hopefully, these brainwashed Africans will start to extricate themselves from their bondage.

Beaf said:

@jen33

You are arguing with door-knobs and people with such low self-esteem they are afraid to take the smallest peek outside (talk less of stepping out) because it is dark. Its no easy task to argue with such types.

The same people would sing the loudest wooden-headed songs about how wretched the Zim economy is; it is the unending anthem of our miseducated, unthinking "middle class" hoards. The one thing they have forgotten is to compare the quality of life of the average Zimbabwean with theirs:

The Zimbabwean govt provides services that the average Nigerian can only dream off. They actually have an emergency number anybody can call if their vehicle breaks down on the road; and surprise! Someone will actually turn up to fix it, in Nigeria; the best you'll get is armed robbers or kidnappers.
While we struggle with the perennial problem of the Lagos-Benin expressway, Zim has a World-class road network.
Today, privatisation of PHCN is all the rage, that alongside the yearning for 12 hours of electricity; but the average Zimbabwean gets about 5 times the amount of electricity the average Nigeria gets, yes, they have 24/7 supply.
While we are burdened with 10 million almajiri's, Zimbabwe's literacy rate is 90%.
Zimbabwe is also a net exporter of manufactured goods, while oil is our be all and end all.

Is it any surprise why Nigeria is owned by Shell, while Zimbabwe has successfully seized freedom from the imperialists?
Is it any surprise why why they walk tall, but we hobble along from Boko Haram to Jos to "consensus candidates," all the time pointing fingers at our better off neighbours?
These folk have what I call, "the wisdom of the blind." They point, because oyibo says, point; laugh, because oyibo says, laugh; jump, because oyibo says, jump.

Beaf, you see, sometimes I feel Nigerians are among the most brainwashed people on earth. The vast majority of them actually regard the likes of the BBC and CNN as authentic, impartial vehicles for information whose every word is gospel.

The thought of questioning the BBC 's intents, or western intents in any matter relating to Africa or indeed, anywhere else, is simply out of the question, for the vast majority of them.

It's quite tragic.

From what I've seen, nothing really changes in ''born again'' people. Sure they attend more religious meetings, become more preachy, and want to pray everywhere they go.

But they are not visibly more giving, kinder to others, or more willing to forgo their enjoyment for the benefit of others. Neither are they any less materialistic, or less inclined to join the military etc etc.

So there's very little evidence of any sort of heightened spirituality among 'born again' people. There's more a SHOW of being righteous, but beneath that, there's nothing.

Eziachi said:

Of course Tsvangirai will say that to you, after all Mugabe's henchmen no longer kicks his head at every turn. He now goes in tinted latest mercedes benz cars.
Lets wait after the next Mugabe's election when they will kick him back to the back of an open pickup truck, lets see how much he thinks the economy is growing.
His economy is growing at a rate that most 6 million Zimbabwean illegally living in South Africa will rather die than to be deported back to Mugabe- your heroes paradise.
Get real and move to Zimbabwe tomorrow.

Uhmm, millions of Chinese are still overseas, with many more set to leave despite their nation becoming the 2nd biggest economy on earth, so your anecdotal drivel is really inconsequential.

The upturn in the Zimbabwean economy is acknowledged by everyone including the BBC (see above), so attacking Tsvangerai is pointless.

You really have no leg to stand on apart from firing aimless rhetoric.

Eziachi said:

Keep blaming the BBC, I suppose it was the BBC that writes Mugabe's wife shopping list most weekends to Malaysia, while their people die in hunger.

How many times have YOU spotted Mrs Mugabe shopping in Malaysia? How many pictures of these weekly shopping trips do you have, or did no one snap her?

Or was this just another bit of propaganda and exaggeration fed you BY THE BBC?

The BBC worships the Queen. The Queen is from a lineage that built the mighty Buckingham Palace, complete with trimmings and chandeliers, at a time most Englishmen were starving and diseased, and child labour rampant.

Yet I bet you worship the Brits today.

Who will be next to blame? Radio France.
If not because of people like me, those like you in Africa will prefer to eat banana off from the top of a tree trunk without clothes and blame Radio Germany for it.
What a wasted generation! The continent that produced great minds like Soyinkas of this world

If you were the president of Zimbabwe, the people would still be peasants on their own land, serving white overlords for the next 100 years to infinity.

THANK GOODNESS YOU ARE FAR AWAY FROM THAT PRESIDENCY.

Africa does not need weak sellouts like you at the helm.

manmustwac:

You will never hear of a,Nigerians student burning himself as a sign of protest they would rather die killing themselves in cult wars or pray to god for nigeria to progress.

And what would YOU do in that situation, or are you from Ghana?

Thank you Newsmonste. I can't believe it is an American, John Campbell, that's blowing hot and cold over shenanigans at primaries.

They are the experts at that.

So expert that billions of dollars change hands, with Americans and the rest of the world none the wiser.

Experts of The more you look the less you see.

Well don't expect me to go trawling through a list of quotes, but here's an important one from Morgan Tsvangerai, you know, the current PM of Zim who used to be Mubabe's main opponent, the darling of the west;

Here him: (surely he spoke to economists)

''Tsvangirai highlighted the progress made by Zimbabwe to revive its economy, saying growth prospects are expected to reach about eight percent this year.''

http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/7067.html

Eight percent?

If they maintain that rate of growth for just 10-15 years you do realize they'll be a bonafide developed, self-sufficient  nation at the end of it?

Eziachi said:

I should take time to understand Idi Amin, Mobutu, Bokassa, Campore, Biya, Abacha and many other African glorious heroes.
This is the reason African will ever remain backward untill God's kingdom comes.

Africa will remain backward until people like you learn to use your brain as opposed to letting the BBC use your brain for you.

Kobojunkie said:

Your own thread betrays you there since the very SUBJECT of this thread betrays the claim you make above in bold. As for the predictions, if you actually read the article, you would probably get from that that there is no resounding success being announced. The researchers are simply stating it is not going as bad as predicted and there is hope it can get better, BUT, and I add another BUT, it does not indicate a CHANGE in the WESTs view of Mugabe's decision

Nonsense. The headline ''the west finally agrees Mugabe was right'' was not meant to imply the west were now somehow ''on Mugabe's side'', or were announcing the land reforms were a success.

That would be far too HUMILIATING a confession for them to make, so the article above was the closest they could possibly come to saying what most economists are saying in private, ie that Zimbabwe is set for EXPONENTIAL growth and development in the coming years, owing DIRECTLY to Bob Mugabe's policies.

Kobojunkie said:

lol . . . . the twitter generation  . ,   definitely!!!

I am particular concerned that the in his haste to declare the WEST is on his side in this, the @Poster refused to read the actual contents of the article.

Unlike you, I couldn't give a rat's asss on ''whose side'' the West is on.

Just to see them SQUIRM in discomfort at the way the tables have turned in Zimbabwe, much against their predictions,  is more than enough to make MY day.

We know that had YOU been the leader of Zimbabwe, you would play the happy slave lapping up your massa's crumbs rather than fight for justice.

Obiagu1 said:

Don't mind them. Anytime they hear persecute "Whites", they'll start jubilating like f.ools as if that will erase their pain.

Actually, in the case of Zimbabwe, it was a bit more than ''erasing pain''. It was about redressing historical and present economic injustices.

@ Jen33, you have inferiority complex that's why you think what Mugabe did was appropriate.

On the contrary, YOU are the one with an inferiority complex, assuming blacks should be ''patient'' in redressing the bare-faced racism and injustice of their owning 3% of their land and mineral resources, with the white minority owning 97%, effectively making the blacks slaves and peasants on their own ancestral lands.

If you can name me one white country that will stand for that situation for even one month, not to talk of the 100 years Zimbabweans have endured it, I'll be glad.

YOU my friend are the one with the complex. Every black who thinks black people should be ''patient'' in the face of such rank, racist inequities on African soil which make them slaves on African soil is a rank FOOL of the lowest order.

But the Zimbabweans to their credit were patient.

Very patient.

In fact after they won the war of independence in the 1970s, a land reform programme was immediately announced. Britain was to fund the compensation of white farmers whose stolen lands were to be repossessed (very) gradually by the State under an ''orderly'' redistribution. This arrangement plodded on for 22 years up till 1997, at which point  less than 10% of the land earmarked for redistribution had actually been redistributed.

Britain, 1997 when Tony Blair came into power, put an end to this arrangement. They stopped paying compensation to the white farmers altogether. The courts were thus barred by law from confiscating the lands. The Blair govt said they never signed anything with Zimbabwe. The land reform programme ground to a halt.

Meanwhile, the Zimbabwe War Veterans, the thousands of soldiers who had won independence on promises of redistributed land, were getting impatient.

They knocked on ZANU PF doors. On Mugabe's doors. They wanted answers. They got one answer: Blair had reneged on the deal.

In response, the war veterans began raiding the white farms. Note:The war veterans began independently taking over the white farms. It was only later that the ZANU PF govt decided to side with THEM, since the ARMY also sided with the war veterans.

In the middle of this conundrum, stood Bob Mugabe.

He had TWO choices - he could try to clamp down on the insurrection and get overthrown by the Army, or he could throw in his lot with the war veterans and the army - with his people.

He chose the latter.

The rest is history.

How appropriate? Millions displaced, thousands killed, economy destroyed, country ruined. Something he could have achieved without those rushed actions.
Some folks really don't have brain.

You're a prime example of the wisdom in the saying that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Zimbabwe had to do what they had to do for their future generations. The problems began after the western nations imposed economic sanctions against the PEOPLE of Zimbabwe (despite the much voiced lie that sanctions were targeted at Mugabe's ''cronies''). They were denied international credit facilities available to all nations, denied foreign exchange, denied trade etc etc - ALL vindictive, spiteful, racist sanctions imposed by the evil forces of imperialism you are too scared of to challenge.

But Zimbabweans have always been a strong people.

There is no greater testament to the RIGHTNESS of their cause than that the same whites who fled in ''terror'' after  their evil deeds caught up with them, are today, queuing up to be let BACK into a more EQUITABLE Zimbabwean society  - of the type THEY proved incapable of establishing.

Eziachi said:

Robert Mugabe an African hero? Hero on what exactly? Destroying his own country? Spending 7 million dollar on his wedding at the age of 74? Going for a re-election again at the age of 90? I am completely aghast at what I am reading from the so called modern generation. If Mugabe is your hero, I think Abacha deserved some apology from Khudirat Abiola.
You really have to pity our people.

My friend you are a victim of sustained western propaganda.

You've been HAD.

Read the side of the story you were never told on BBC, CNN or even on NTA since those ones get their cue from the BBC!!

Here is the real deal about what went down in Zimbabwe, and why Robert Mugabe is an African Hero:

Zimbabwe's Lonely Fight For Justice:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5242

daylae said:

Jen33: you thought i was living in a cave?

I know you are living in a cave.

I suggest you need to go understand our military capabilities before  thinking of a castle in the clouds. I certainly know that nigeria cannot be ranked ammong countries like egypt(no1 in africa and the middle east),south africa,algeria,and even ethopia  ect.

When you can hardly spell properly why should we accept you have an iota of an idea what you're talking about? You're sitting there typing teenage drivel about who is ''ranked above who'' as if military strength is simply a question of statistics and ''ranking''.  If it was, the US should have wiped Iraq out in one day, Afghanistan in an hour, and rather than discussing with Iran, would wipe them out in 2 hours.

But life simply doesn't work like that, Mr Naive. Combat experience, training, pedigree, familiarity with/adaptability to terrain etc, are often superior to actual inventory in determining the fighting capacity of a military unit. I've no idea what combat experience Algerian, South African or Egyptian troops have, but they will not be glad to face off with Nigerian troops given our greater experience in international combat missions, peacekeeping and overseas troop deployment, in addition to our large  military inventory and financial wherewithal to expand same during operations.

Most of the equipments and logistics used in our past military involvements were provided by the UN.

You've just shown your complete ignorance regarding the Nigerian military, and even the UN, which does not provide ''equipments and logistics'' to nations to fight in conflicts.

Why don't you go and actually learn something worthwhile about the Nigerian Armed Forces and the international system instead of embarrassing yourself here? 

When the minister threathened "overwhelming military force against ivory coast," he's sure not talking about nigeria alone, but talking about the ECOWAS and AU forces .

Nigeria provided over 85% of arms and equipment used in the last two ECOMOG expeditions - warships, fighter jets, tanks, rocket launchers, and armoured personnel carriers inter alia. Again, GO AND STUDY the Nigerian military and its capabilities extensively like some of us here have done, before coming here to type things you know nothing about.

What a fantastic thread.

Bob Mugabe is highly respected on the African Continent. He was always welcomed like a hero at the AU conferences even at the height of western opposition and sanctions.

Aigbofa said:

quote from: Jen33 on Today at 12:04:52 AM
In his newspaper column in Thisday Magazine, Nigerian foreign minister Ajumogobia said Gbagbo "must be made to understand that there is a very real prospect of overwhelming military capability bearing down on him and his cohorts." 


http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Nigeria-Wants-UN-Backing-for-Military-Intervention-in-Ivory-Coast-114510399.html


These guys are starting to sound like Americans. 

Don't you love it when we flex our chicken muscles?

Err, actually we are quite strong enough for the region we find ourselves in, with the financial capacity to expand capabilities in a short time where required. Surely you're not suggesting we spend even more on defence than we're currently doing (assuming of course you actually know the annual defence expenditure of our country).

daylae said:

As if we even ranked among the major military powers in africa. . .

Nigeria IS most certainly ranked among the major military powers in Africa, with the most powerful and mobile military forces in West and Central Africa.

You must be living in a cave somewhere to write what you did.

THE WEST FINALLY AGREES THAT MUGABE WAS RIGHT

Today, people are flocking back to the country including the ''terrified'' whites who fled.

The country is now more equal.

95% of the land is no longer owned by 3% of the population who were white.

Comrade Bob Mugabe's land reforms, for which he was demonised and vilified in the west, turns out not to be the failure they had all predicted, despite the vindictive economic sanctions they imposed on Zimbabwe to bring it to its knees.

But Zimbabweans endured it all and survived.

And the Land Reform Program has been a resounding SUCCESS.

Future generations of Zimbabweans will actually own a stake in their society, and share in the God-given bounties of their country.

All thanks to Bob Mugabe and his Pan Africanist ZANU PF Party.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11764004

In his newspaper column in Thisday Magazine, Nigerian foreign minister Ajumogobia said Gbagbo "must be made to understand that there is a very real prospect of overwhelming military capability bearing down on him and his cohorts." 


http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Nigeria-Wants-UN-Backing-for-Military-Intervention-in-Ivory-Coast-114510399.html


These guys are starting to sound like Americans. 

Mumbai slum:

https://blog.jasonoutlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/slum-mumbai1.jpg

See the people that think they're better than Nigerians.

As OBJ would say, I dey laff! 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh My ribs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTpVJa4urU

"Moreover, there is a widespread belief among cops that Nigerians arrested in narcotics cases suffer from AIDS.''

More like there is widespread belief among Indians that all Africans suffer from AIDS, since most Indians are too poor, prejudiced, stuppid, and ignorant of their own wretched, poverty-stricken environment, to know much else about the rest of the inhabited world.

EzeUche said:

Must we trade one insult for another? Who said the Chinese will be any different? Even though the Chinese in the past, have always worried about their own country instead of interfering with others, how do we know they will not be different?

Well for starters the Chinese don't actually make any pretenses to ''democracy'' so there's no way they'll be looking to impose such ideas on Africans. Their overriding presence will serve to checkmate the current western dominance of global economic direction.

Africa must wake up though, before it is too late.

I think we need to create stronger ties within the continent. I support those who call for political unification of All Africa. Or a split into no more than 3 or 4 countries in total. This will make us far more powerful and resistant to foreign dictates and manipulation.

EzeUche said:

The West and the organization under their supervision. UN, IMF, World Bank etc. This is the way the world works. However, change is coming as China rises.

Please let them rise quickly biko. This insult is becoming too much to bear. These whites were illiterates in caves when Africans were developing metallurgy, medicine, writing,  mining, architecture, and chemistry. Today they must ''approve'' of our governments before we can live in peace. Ridiculous. 

Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan is the current chairman of West African bloc ECOWAS, which has threatened to use force if Gbagbo does not step down in favour of his internationally recognised rival Alassane Ouattara.

This whole nonsense about the ''internationally recognised'' winner of the IC elections is just one more slap in the face of Africans.

Tell me, after Bush rigged his way into the white house, did we hear anything about the ''internationally recognised winner, Al Gore'', or were we even given a chance to discuss any of it?

Did Al Gore hole himself up in a hotel, declare himself president, and invite the UN to protect him?

Nope.

You see when a people have a sense of dignity and pride in their nation and themselves, there are certain things they just don't do.

Outarra, the IMF goat who claims to have won the election, is just the sort of leader we do not need in Africa.

How can a man that is himself still a slave, be able to free the people??

HOW THE WEST IS USING AFRICAN ARMIES TO FURTHER ITS OWN INTERESTS:

Or, How the white man is still able to get Africans to kill each other so they can share the proceeds, as happened in the days of the slave trade.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ivory-Coast-Testing-Groun-by-Rick-Rozoff-110123-25.html

OYINGBOJU said:

Everybody has a different perspective to this side of the story, but come to think of these

Yes we do have a SHRINE
Yes Police can never knowingly or unknowingly raid the place
Yes many things goes on and on on on on

But Don`t you think it is much more better to have ANOTHER place that will be recognized by Government  Parastatals,  another haven where everyone can go without people thinking you went to smoke igbo.

A place where smoker and non-smoker shall be welcomed.

A place where activist like Pastor Tunde bakare of Latter Rain Church can visit without any mis-conception.

When Fela was alive, he fought for the poor and rich, he fought for the interest of the masses and not for smokers only.

In respect of these we should have a place that is meant for the Masses without any negativity attached to it.

N.B. Shrine should remain forever because that where i spend Thursdays and Sundays.

I disagree. Nobody forces anyone to smoke Igbo at Shrine. In fact many people who go there everyday do not smoke at all. They're just there to unite with the fellow afficionados.

Also, you care too much about ''what people will think''.

The likes of Pastor Tunde Bakare, whom you mentioned, WILL NOT have a separate place built for them where there will be restrictions that go against the grain of the freedom Fela was all about. If THEY want to appreciate Fela, or honour Fela, then THEY better get themselves down to the Shrine, or THEY can remain in their church and mosque singing praises to their imported gods.

Archbishop dey enjoy, Pope himself dey enjoy, Imam himself dey enjoy, My brotha wetin you say!!!!

This same Ribadu, when he enters govt as president now, you will start hearing different stories. Abi no be Naija man he be again? The likes of Tinubu supporting him, will those ones not be the chief controllers of the new corruption? The same Tinubu that used public funds to erect a beautiful hotel in Lekki right there before everyone's face? What will he do when his friend Ribadu becomes president?

It's not funny.

AND the first ''wholly made Nigerian car'' is already underway by a wholly Nigerian company, INNOSON.

alexleo said:

the bible is a complete guide of what God wants us to know in our relationship with Him.

How the hell do you know this?

Oh I see, some white slave trader walked off his ship and handed your great-grandad a book which he claimed was[i] ''a complete guide of what God wants us to know in our relationship with Him''[/i], and you, today, despite being exposed to greater education and information than your ancient progenitor, persist in imbibing the claims of the slave trader's book without the merest attempt at investigating its veracity?

Doesn't that make you a fool?

In fact do you realize you deserve 36 strokes of the cane for your foolishness?