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Jozzy4:
Keep deluding yourself bro

Act 16:16-19 , a servant girl that had the spirit of PRedIction , she predict future happenings perfectly that her masters made HUGE PROFIT from it .

I pity ya .

Chai! you got me abi.

if I hear. (Thank God at least you are using scriptures)


now listen to this.

"Samuel said, “Why then do you ask me, since the Lord has departed from you and has become your adversary? 17 The Lord has done [d]accordingly as He spoke through me; for the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David. 18 As you did not [e]obey the Lord and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the Lord will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!”

Please can demons or evil spirits call God Lord? Just show me one scripture to show were the devil or a demon called God Lord.

If you believe they can, then what of this scripture:

"Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit."

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God"

So how are we to test if a spirit is from God?

Enlighten me. I want to learn.

author=MuttleyLaff post=37345413]Sorry to burst your bubble I do, the Sunday school,
this isnt a ''told by your Sunday school teachers'' case

Now @Jeromejnr, were you not taught by the Spirit of Truth
or did the Spirit of Truth not reveal to you that God ALLOWED the familiar spirit, to the relish & ''win lottery'' delight of the spirit, to prophesy?
The witch was a 419, which is why she got the shock and fright of her life when an unexpected spirit and an actually talking one showed up

Keep on digging yourself deeper in the ground you're stubbornly are in holed in

So you yourself know she was a 419 that was why she was afraid. Tank God O. Okay tell me, was she not used to conjuring up evil spirits or was it her first time? Why is it in this occasion she was afraid? Or she was afraid of her own evil spirits again? I mean if she knows it was fake why will she be afraid? What you just said is no different, it is even supporting my claim.

Old boy, SMH, look at the questions you're asking. SMH
(i.e. So you mean to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events?)
Of course they dont get exact prophecies
because they are merely using high technique guess works
based on being familiar when the person and events surrounding the person's life etcetera
but when God allows/permits it, they prophesy 100% correct
Sometimes God allows them and/or false prophets to mis-prophesy and/or prophesy jargons

Hahahaha! High level technique guess works.

Chai! I don't even know how to laugh again. Those spirits must be serious geniuses.

My guy, don't try to argue again, let your friend help you out.

Jozzy4:
Sit down there , many people are contacting them everyday for the outcome of something they want to embark on , and they are getting answers .

From that scripture , its clear that contacting spirit medium is good and real , infact One can decide to contact David Or Samuel and they will come up . Nice

Well, I know folks that have gotten involved with such. And they don't get exact prophecies of things to come.

The spirits only know what is happening. So you meam to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events?

Now that is new. Even Tarot card readers or crystal ball gazers only focus on the past and the present.

@ MuttleyLaff ...You were told by your Sunday school teachers it was a familiar spirit, we were all told.

But if you had studied the scriptures, you would have known that a familiar spirit or an evil
spirit cannot prophesy the future.

They only know the past or the present.

Go and study the book of Jeremiah.

babafemi1000:
You don't need an initial sign to prove that you've received the holy ghost. The best sign is a life of christ, bearing the fruits of the spirit (is it not the same holy spirit?)

Tongues were a sign to the unbeliever and also of acceptance of the gentiles. That the jews may know that God had accepted the gentiles too! It was a matter of his discretion how he wanted to prove to people. That's why Jesus showed signs to people in his day, cos there were skeptics everywhere.

-- Acts 9:17-20 did paul speak in tongues as evidence that he received the holy ghost? Even paul? Did he not receive the holy ghost immediately?

So why look for doctrine where there is none?

Want to speak in tongues but no interpreter? Then speak to yourself and to God. That's to pray in tongues.

There's no scripture in this thread that I have misconstrued. It's as easy as understanding an english exam comprehension passage, where you're asked questions about the whole scenario and not just bits and pieces of it.

Actually, the truth is there are some scriptures one can never understand as you ought to if
One has not experienced it first hand themselves.

Example: where Jesus said "this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting, and God chastising His children (when people read this they think they know how God chastises His children , but when you walk with Him some you will understand it was not as you taught).

In my Christian walk, not only mine, I have discovered that tongues is one of the top 5 most important tools God gave His children.

Majority of the services O have been to anyone that came up for hands to be paid on for baptism, started speaking the language. (That is after they have been taught from the word on the issue and can then receive it by faith).

If one has not spoken I'm tongues, then he can never understand the charge given by Jude. " beloved keep building yourself on your most Holy Faith, praying in the Holy Ghost". And that was a charge to all the body of believers. And for those with the experience of tongues, we know how how charged our faith becomes after a series of prayers.

How can one pray in the Holy Ghost anytime? How does the Spirit help us in intercession with groanings that cannot be uttered? For we no not what we should pray for as we ought to.

And of you ask anyone that spoke in tongues, he would tell you that it's like some words are welling up in the belly and the spirit groaning on the inside looking for how to express the deep longings of the heart.

babafemi1000:
This is unmistakably kenneth hagin snr.

Jerome, I think he's in error. Most of his points, if not all, have been used by yourself and others here on this thread but each time I have used scriptures to refute them.


Jesus received the holy ghost after baptism. Did he speak in tongues? No.

How then did people know he had the holy ghost, if it were necessary to prove it to them? God confirmed it from heaven.

I dare say speaking in tongues is not the only evidence that we have received the holy spirit. The spirit may have decided to use it as such at that time, but it doesn't always have to be the case.

We don't have to always look to establish doctrines and patterns in the bible and apply them to our circumstances. The spirit is dynamic in his ways.

Nope. This isn't Kenneth Hagin. But Donald Gee.

And you misconstrued some scriptures you quoted up there.

II.WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TONGUES AND THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT?

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a supernatural empowerment from God into the Christian's life. It can happen at the moment a person is first saved, but as the following verses point out, it is normatively an event subsequent to salvation.

Since the baptism is a supernatural experience, it would stand to reason that it would by accompanied by a supernatural sign or evidence. Looking at the Biblical pattern, we see that this sign is speaking in tongues.

There are five recorded instances in the Book of Acts of people receiving the baptism. Each time, it either says the people spoke in tongues, or at least strongly implies that they did. Let's look at each case on an individual basis:

PENTECOST-Acts 2:1-4-As we stated earlier, the Holy Spirit was first poured out on the day of Pentecost. Of the 120 people who received the Spirit, every one of them, without exception, spoke in tongues (including, interestingly, Mary, the Mother of Jesus-Acts 1:14.) Note particularly the impact this experience had on Peter.In chapter 2, verses 14-41, we see the same disciple who had three times denied he even knew Jesus now stood in the face of a hostile crowd and boldly proclaimed the Gospel, resulting in 3000 people coming to Christ!
THE BELIEVERS AT SAMARIA- Acts 8:14-24-Here the apostles receive the wonderful news of the Gospel spreading into Samaria. Upon hearing this, they immediately sent Peter and John to pray for them, so that they could receive the Holy Spirit. While they are ministering to these believers, a sorcerer named Simon sees this miraculous event, and offers Peter and John money for the ability to impart the Holy Spirit to others. Of course, Peter sharply rebukes him, telling him he has no part or lot in this matter (verse 20.) Although this account does not specifically mention tongues, it is important to notice two things:

1. Simon SAW that the Holy Spirit was being given (verse 18,) therefore, there must have been some sort of tangible evidence of the Holy Spirit's impartation.
2. In verse 20, when Peter tells Simon that he has no part or lot in this matter, it is interesting to note that the word "matter" in the Greek can also be translated "utterance!" Simon had no part or lot in the UTTERANCE that he saw.

Keeping these two things in mind, as well as comparing this event with others like it in Scripture, I believe it is perfectly safe to say that the evidence that Simon saw was the utterance in tongues of those who whose lives were being transformed by this marvelous work of the Holy Spirit.
PAUL AND ANANIAS-Acts 9:17-18-After his dramatic encounter with God on the road to Damascus, Paul receives a visit from a man named Ananias, who was sent by God so that Paul, who had been blinded during the Damascus encounter, might "receive his sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost ." Although this particular passage does not state that Paul spoke in tongues, we know he did because he later wrote to the Corinthian church "I thank my God I speak in tongues more than you all ." ( 1 Corinthians 14:18) .

PETER AND THE FAMILY OF CORNELIUS-Acts 10:44-46-Cornelius and his family were the first Gentiles (non Jews) to ever become Christians. In the dramatic account of their conversion, we see Cornelius seeking God, who sends an angel to tell him to seek out the Apostle Peter, who, at the same time, was told by the Holy Spirit that Cornelius' men were looking for him. Peter obediently goes to visit Cornelius, and shares the Gospel with him and his family. While Peter was preaching to them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues . The Jewish believers were astonished at this, because this Gentile family had received the Holy Spirit just like they had. Notice that when they witnessed this wonderful event, THE evidence that they recognized was that "they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God." ( verse 46) .

PAUL AND THE EPHESIAN BELIEVERS- Acts 19:2-7- While passing through the city of Ephesus, Paul encounters a group of disciples and quickly asks them "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?" They responded that they had never even heard of the Holy Spirit. Paul then gives them some further instruction, baptizes them in water, and lays hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit. When they do, they speak in tongues, as well as prophesy.

One of the basic rules of Bible interpretation is that it takes a minimum of two or three Scriptures to establish a doctrine ( Matthew 18:16; 2 Corinthians 13:1.) So with these five examples, we can see that the doctrine of tongues as initial evidence is solidly Scriptural. Receiving the baptism has been humorously compared to buying a pair of shoes- Tongues come with it!

My first experience speaking in tongues came on April 27, 1988. I was 20 years old, and still a member of a denominational church, but out of curiosity, I had also been visiting a Pentecostal church on occasion. One day, I responded to an invitation to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. I had been a Christian for about five years, and loved God very much, but at the same time, I knew that I needed a deeper presence of God in his life. As I was prayed for, I suddenly "felt" strange, unknown words well up inside me. As I began to speak them out, a gigantic tidal wave of God's love and power flooded into me, changing my life forever.
Next to my salvation, this has been THE key event of my walk with Jesus. In the years since then, it has became a richer and deeper part of my life than I could ever have imagined. It is as natural to me as breathing. Since this experience changed my life so dramatically, I have a deep desire to share it with others. In this second part in our series of messages on tongues, I wanted to devote the entire article to dealing with questions about the availability of this wonderful experience to all believers.

I. ARE TONGUES AVAILABLE TO ALL CHRISTIANS?

In 1 Corinthians 12:30, Paul asks the hypothetical question "Do all speak in tongues?" This has led some to the conclusion that tongues as a whole are only for a select few Christians.

However, there are three different manifestations of tongues. The context of Paul's above mentioned statement is a discussion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, tongues being one of them. He is giving instruction for the proper use of the gifts in a church service. When Paul speaks of tongues in this setting, he is referring to the ministry gift of tongues, which, as previously stated, is only one of the three, and is only given by the Holy Spirit in certain situations. This type of tongues is a sign to unbelievers. However, we read other instances in Scripture where people spoke in tongues, and no unbelievers were present (see Acts 10:46; 19:6, as well as note 1 below), giving further proof that this is not the exclusive purpose for tongues.

As for the other two manifestations of tongues, however, there are a number of Scriptures that clearly teach that they are for all Christians:

1. Jesus said "These signs shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE...." one of them being "they shall speak with new tongues." (Mark 16:17)
2. At the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, ALL spoke with tongues. (Acts 2:4)

3. Throughout the Book of Acts, there is a consistent pattern of tongues being the initial evidence when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit. See Acts 2:1-4;Acts 10:44-46;Acts 19:2-7. (more on this next question.)

4. Paul desired all Christians to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5)

5. The exhortations to "Pray in the Spirit" (Ephesians 6:18 )and "in the Holy Ghost" (Jude 20,) terms synonymous with praying in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:14-16,) are directed to all Christians.

I compare it to this :All Christians are to have faith (Mark 11:22; Ephesians 2:8,) but some have a special GIFT of faith (1 Corinthians 12:9.) All Christians are to be merciful (Matthew 5:7; Luke 6:36,) but some have a special ministry gift of mercy (Romans 12:8.) Likewise,the wonderful experience of praying in tongues is available to all Christians, but some have a special public ministry gift of tongues.

babafemi1000:
I'm really glad that all the posters shared their views distinctly and without any bashing or batter. It's been a healthy session so far, in agreement or disagreement. This shows we have a level of maturity.

I'm open to other views but please let's quote scriptures within context for easy understanding. It's easy to extract a scripture and make it buttress our points but when examined in it's full context it says otherwise.

In the end we're all brothers and sisters if we're born of the spirit of God.

I want to post something tho.

babafemi1000:
Thanks jerome for sharing.

I've had my fair share of kenneth hagin and co. I'm of the opinion that "a little yeast spreads through the whole batch of dough" until everything is spoilt.

This means that these guys are fond of infusing a little error into their teaching here and there until everybody is confused. I'd rather stay away from all their teaching and stick to using scriptures, praying that God would teach me things.

This is not to say that we cannot learn a thing or two from other believers, but for kenneth hagin and co, mehn I'd rather waka pass.

Let's let the holy spirit lead us into all truth. I'm not perfect in putting him first but I understand now more than ever that I have to. There's a lot of deception out there mehn..

Aiit.

babafemi1000:
One does not need to go about testing gifts trying to see if they have received the holy ghost. There's no need to be looking for a sign to prove to others that one has the holy ghost.

You ask "what's the evidence that one has the holy spirit"? Well, a changed life perhaps, exhibiting fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, etc..)?

Remember this verse "walk in the spirit and you will not fulfil the desires of the flesh? Is that not evidence enough?

We are no longer in the days of the apostles where the sovereign holy ghost decided to use tongues as a sign to unbelievers and israel. 1 Corinthians 12 applies more to us today, being that the manifestation of the spirit is in various miraculous gifts.

Please note that I support desiring earnestly the best gifts as paul advised, which may include speaking in tongues and prophesying. I also believe in praying in tongues as the spirit gives utterance

No problem.

But if you will, I will advise that you get a book or message online:

Why speak in tongues by Kenneth Hagin.

He goes into much detail and explanation of the scriptures.

It's amazing the number of Christians in this religion section who are ignorant of who they are in Christ and what God has provided for them. There are so many topics folks are ignorant about ranging from the concept of Trinity, speaking in tongues, divine healing, resurrection of the dead, divine wealth e.t.c. It's very Unfortunate majority of Christians will have to die and go to heaven before they discover what God had provided for them on earth.

Well, here I will be dealing with the issue of prosperity. (I know there are people that have abused it for their greed but that does not discount the fact).

So does God want us wealthy?

Many will give us answers like "no rich man can go to heaven" or "God told that rich man to sell all he had". Well, why don't you read all that scripture in context. And stop being biased.

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

We see the disciples thought like many think today and asked "Who then can be saved" implying-So which rich person can be saved? Jesus said: It is not possible with man but only with God. Why did Jesus want the rich man to give away all his riches? because his treasures had become his idol. And no Idolater as we know can enter the kingdom.

So does that mean Jesus wanted him to be poor all his life?

After the rich man had left Jesus told His disciples:
"Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake, but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions;

So what does that mean? Jesus implied that if that man had given all he had, he would have received times hundred of those things he gave. Why? because his loyalty of heartfelt devotion to the Lord would have been proven and then God can trust him with riches because they wouldn't be his Idols. Which was even far much more extreme than what He had before. And thus the scripture is fulfilled where Jesus says "with God all things are possible".

And notice Jesus said "in this present age" not heaven O or the world to come. And that persecutions will follow. How? both from unbelievers and even ignorant Christians that will say "see how much money he has, see how many houses he has, he is going to hell, God doesn't want us to be rich like that". Well do you know the sacrifices that person had made in times past that you just sit down there and judge?

What of the scriptures:

#2 Cor 8:9 "that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich".

Well, do you know what the orginal greek for rich there was? Rich=plousios: wealthy. And looking at that scripture in context Paul was talking about money and meeting needs.

#Gal 3:13 "He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus,"
well what was Abraham's blessing? Gen 12:2 "And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;

So how are you suppose to be a blessing when you are walking with the soles of shoe all worn out and you are thinking of how to pay your children's school fees?

How are you supposed to support the missionaries and kingdom financially when you are just barely getting by? So you want to tell me God wants you to barely get by? I thought God was a good God when He himself said "If you that are evil know how to give good gifts to your children...how much more Me"?

2 Cor 9:11 "You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous in every way. Such generosity produces thanksgiving to God through us."

How can you be generous with poverty or just barely getting by? Rich in every way means rich in every way. No need to twist scriptures.

"3 John 1:2 "Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.

So supposing you start a business and you get a contract for a million dollars, what will you do? you will turn it down and say no, God doesn't want me to be that prosperous.

Please if you are barely getting by how will you preach to folks in a place like Beverly Hills that drive golden sport cars and live in glass mansions (Rodeo drive precisely) when they think they have all they need? Please supposing you were an unbeliever and all these dudes come that use to ring bell in the morning and push their wheelbarrow looking thing, come to you and says accept Christ, how will that be attractive to you? won't you look down on the person.

I can even throw the question to the atheists and unbelievers, Please who will you prefer to come preach to you, someone that comes trekking or someone that comes up in a Lamborghini? (Note: It doesn't have to be a Lambo I am just making a point).

If God doesn't want us to be rich, why will he even tell some people to go buy a land and later oil was discovered in that land.E.g Kenneth Copeland.

I could have given more scriptures and examples. But for the lazy readers I shortened it. If by now you are still blind then sorry. If you like keep listening to men's opinions.

For those that will contradict, bring scriptures and not your opinion or what one man said somewhere.

victorels:
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

If you have accepted that the Father is God and the Son is God, why is that statement too difficult for you to understand.

Many atheist would be disappointed in you. If you chose to be an atheist, please go and learn the way of an atheist.

Its amazing isn't it. You tend to wonder how people comprehend.

babafemi1000:
Can we question how God chooses to manifest himself to different people in different situations?

Okay so for those that receive the baptism according to you and don't speak in tongues, how will they know they have received?

Will they go and say "okay let me see if I can heal the sick or use the spirit of faith or work a miracle*?

Will they have to try one and see if it doesn't work and then try another one and if that doesn't work also they try another one?

Won't that be unfair? While the folks that have the gift of tongues know instantly they have been baptised the others would have to keep trying and trying to see which gift they have gotten.

babafemi1000:
Ministry gift? The gift of the holy ghost? They're one and the same. That the believers in acts who had hands laid upon them spoke in tongues doesn't mean that that's the only manifestation of the holy spirit. He could have moved them to heal the sick as he did them speak in tongues.

Secondly, @sportsmaster, I agree that we can pray to God in tongues, as the spirit gives us utterance. That's still the same as your "ministry gift", only that one is praying to God. After all, it is the same spirit na. This is what you call "being filled with the holy ghost".

We also studied and this is what we have found, not that we listened to some "man-made message" as you implied earlier.

Let's look at all these scriptures as a whole, and we'd see that there's no distinction between ministry gifts (in corinthians) and the gift of the holy ghost (in acts)

So explain to us why those 120 people in the upper room. All spoke with tongues but but yet still feel its not for everyone?

Are they more special?

starlingslimnet:
In Greek context? if Yes.... then am through if you can't see the contradictions glaring

*facepalm*

Even if you don't have anything concrete to say, I give up man.

babafemi1000:
May I state that I'm not against speaking in tongues. I just don't believe, according to 1 Cor 12:30 that every believer speaks in tongues.

They do sir. All believers in scriptures that had hands laid on them all spoke in tongues. You can do a study yourself.

The scripture you pointed out is the ministry gift of speaking in tongues which comes with interpretation for the edification of the church. Not everyone possess that gift.

starlingslimnet:
Greek text are contextual read the context in Greek and see if you have not contradicted all you have been writing since.

I have read it in context.

Please do us a favour and show the contradictions you talk about.

starlingslimnet:
hahahaha...... Let's leave it at that.....hahahaha lwkmd

When Christ said 'I have a Baptism to be baptized with" was he dipped into suffering or immersed into suffering according to your definition of Baptized and Baptism?

I will Let it slip off......lwkmd...

Well from that same verse when He said He had a cup to drink, did He drink out of the cup literally?
If you are smart enough, you should get the answer.

When John said Jesus will baptise with the Holy Spirit and fire, did anyone undergo any literal fire?

Why was all this statements expressed as such? Is the meaning of the word baptism my definition or straight out of the original greek.?

907 baptízō – properly, "submerge" (Souter); hence, baptize, to immerse (literally, "dip under". 907 (baptízō) implies submersion ("immersion", in contrast to 472 /antéxomai ("sprinkle".

So what is wrong in saying He was to be immersed with sufferings? What did Paul mean by fellowship of His sufferings? Can you fellowship with someone's sufferings?. If by now you don't get my point, then you are a nut case.

damilareoye:
to me, speaking in tongue is one of the spiritual gifts and definitely, all believers/ Christian have the ability to speak it depending on how each fellow key him/herself into the flow of the spirit.

Yep,

But the problem is that majority don't know how to key with the flow. For various reasons.

1. Ignorance

2. Wrong teachings.

starlingslimnet:
hahahaha...... Let's leave it at that.....hahahaha lwkmd

Hehe. Na you first ask for scriptures na, so I gave you.

And instead of you bringing scriptures you were giving us your own concept or opinion.

victorels:
Jesus was referred to as the "Word of God" in Revelations . He is a different Entity from the Father. He is the voice of the Lord in the Garden of Eden as well as in the creation. And He is God that became flesh having a kind of Glory even as of the only Begotten of the Father.

His Question is about God Praying to God. Yes. Jesus, God, Prayed to the Father, God.

The Information I wanted Him to understand is that The Father and Son are One. Jesus created all things According to John 1:1-3. That is why He loved His creatures so dearly to give Himself for them.

Convince me that Jesus wasn't the God of Creation that I talked about.

Okay, now I get you, I tot you meant the Father transformed Himself and became the Son and later transformed Himself back to the Father.

starlingslimnet:
I think there is no point in pursuing this with you.....since you can't see you are saying the same thing. To be baptized is to receive the Holy Spirit Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should be baptized,which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

This is after they have been baptized because of their believe in Christ. Apostle Peter said "They receive" meaning Being Baptized is Receiving the Holy Spirit.

The thing is I don't like to quote Scripture upon Scriptures cos it's not necessary to Teach the Truth. See for yourself you have made your own distinction between Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Receiving the Spirit of which the Bible made no distinction cos they are one thing.

What I can say to you is "Go and study"

Don't be ignorant Mr. Man.

There is a diff BTW baptism in water, baptism of the Holy Spirit and Receiving the Holy Spirit.

Don't allow pride keep you from seeing the truth. Can you please tell us when the disciples became born again? If you feel you can be puffed up with knowledge.

So speaking in tongues is only for some special people? I thought by now this erroneous doctrine had been done away with but anyway.

The word baptism or baptizo means to be immersed totally in something. When you are baptised in water, you are immersed in water...when you are born again you were baptized into the name of Jesus and family of God...when you are baptised in the Holy Spirit, you are immersed in His power.

Go and do a study on that.

starlingslimnet:
Let me ask then just a question "Just one" What is the Biblical explanation of Baptism of the Holy Spirit"

Receiving the Holy Spirit is to be born again. John 20:22.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is to be endued with power for ministry and godly life. Acts 1:8.

but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4)

Lk 24:49 “And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high.”

ROSSIKE:
Fine. Any other example?

Nope. I can't really say for others. Cause I am not with them all the time.

Maybe my Mom.

starlingslimnet:
Well Jerome is good to meet you.

But I will ask you a question "just a question" were the '3000' that believe Peter on the day of Pentecost Baptized with the Holy Spirit or not?

It depends on what your own definition of baptism of the Holy Spirit is.

ROSSIKE:
Do you live with her? How do you know?

She is my neighbor. That's how I know.

starlingslimnet:
Which Bible are you reading bro that equate Speaking in tongues to Baptism of The Holy Spirit? I will advice you to study the Bible afresh learn from it and Teach what you learn not what you are taught by a pastor. Speaking in tongues in reality have nothing to do with Salvation according to the Bible but according to you and your fellows it has all things to do with it.So to clarify this we need to know what makes up Salvation and for this I will give you a short verse of the Bible filled with great insight on Salvation Acts 2:38.

Besides am Olusanya and You?

Who told you I was taught that by my Pastor? Read what I told you earlier on and go through the scriptures of the bible. Anything time there was a baptism in the Spirit there was speaking in tongues.

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God."

It has nothing to do with being born again. Although one needs to be born again to be able to access it. Just like being a Teacher or prophet or being able to prophesy has nothing to do with salvation/being born again.

I am Jerome.

victorels:
From Your subsequent posts, it implies you are anti-Christ.
But if you must know, God took different form for different environment.

The scripture made it clear that God is a Spirit. In the Beginning, the face of the earth was covered by water and the Spirit of God moved over the surface of the waters.
After Creation, God took a new form regarded as word or voice or sound which can relate to man whom he made a physical entity.

For God to redeem man from sin, he decided to take a new form which is visible to man and walked among them.

God is God and remains one no matter the form he took as long as he is the Everlasting Father.

Your trying to corrupt the word with you philosophy or psychology cannever remove the feet of the saints from their God.

Just look at what you wrote. How does it make sense. When Jesus said the Father is greater than I, was He greater than Himself, or was Jesus talking to Himself when He cried out on the cross "while the Father had forsaken Him?

Na wa o.

ROSSIKE:
That could be a form of manipulation on her part. How does she treat other people including her close friends, relatives, spouse etc? Any idea?

She treats everyone with respect.

Well, I know one that is humble.

That even sweeps the floors of the church and do so many other menial tasks. She doesn't send anybody.

starlingslimnet:
My point brother is, To understand anything about the Holy Spirit you must understand what make up Salvation. And this, I asked you.So do well in telling me what make up Salvation or better watch and learn as people discuss on these things instead of quoting Scriptures which the understanding to the context depends on what make up Salvation.

Please what does speaking in tongues have to do with salvation? Whether you speak in tongues or not does not depend on whether you go to heaven or not.

Speaking in tongues or baptism of power is for enablement in ministry, to help live out the Godly life and to also help in prayers.