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Chidexter:
Whats this one saying?.
I've met intelligent atheists, but you, you need a brain transplant asap.

Lol.

MuttleyLaff:
You are funnier

Honestly I saw your escape route ''...'' AFTER the good, but thought, no, no, no, he wouldnt try that
but I can see that apart from that poverty prayer you tried cornering italo with, you still have a few more tricks up your sleeve

If you've been forced to edit your post after reconsidering or after reflection and now settled with just ''good...'' then it is progress

Note I havent played or showed my trump card yet, which will show how that your remark wasn't well thought through before making it

With all this your weird comments, are you not bothered about the way people will be looking at you

MuttleyLaff:
My dear Mr Man, did you not read where I said try and be unambiguous
Your take on if ''Poverty is "good...."'' is water-tight clear

I can see you are now settling with only ''good'', and have left out ''pleasing'' and ''perfect''
LOL we are making progress, there is hope, being that I am seeing a light at the end of this tunnel you burrowed yourself in

Guy u funny o.

Didn't you see the "...." In front of the good. What does that mean in the English language?

So Mr Man, you are not making any progress.

MuttleyLaff:
Please dont bother asking, as there is no absolute answer to the question
this is why I needed you to explain and defend this remark you made
What was your train of thought when you wrote it?

I know, if poverty is good, pleasing and perfect
but I wont answer you back, not until you stop fidgeting and start explaining or defending the remark

Mr. Man, my take on if Poverty is "good...." Has been clearly shown in my topic.

@MuttleyLaff

Good thing you were able to expantiate it the more.

I wanted to point out that the passage actually came from something the Jews call the Halakhah. Were questions were written and sent to Paul and He would reply.

The Part you quoted were he says "What! Did the word of God come to you only....." Was his reply to the questions concerning women silence in the church.

Because they were trying to follow the old Jewish laws. I.e the Talmud.

MuttleyLaff:
Are you saying, you dont understand or dont recognise your remark again?

You wouldnt know, as you drove yourself into a cul de sac


Please explain and defend your highly subjective remark in the immediate quote above
Wasnt it you who wrote it that that poverty is not good, pleasing and perfect?

So let me ask you, is poverty good, pleasing and perfect?

INTROVERT:
your analogy does not follow if you are using the wife/woman stand.

The examples you have at the end are of women who were filled with the word of God, no account in the scriptures shows the stood up to speak.

Jesus Christ who is even the ultimate example didn't choose a female disciple, correct me if am wrong as no female elders, apostles were female in the bible.


let us speak where the bible speaks and be silent where the bible is silent.

Then you didn't understand the message that was passed.

MuttleyLaff:
Instead of shaking your head like an agama lizard, why not explain yourself
and defend your in bold red highly subjective ''...first need to understand that poverty is not good, pleasing and perfect'' remark
Is it too much to ask? SMH.

Can you rephrase your question in a way I can understand.

I don't even get the point you are trying to drive at.

MuttleyLaff:
LOL you see your life now
Wasnt it you who partly wrote ''...poverty is not good, pleasing and perfect''?

so I responded with be unambiguous and clearly state what you are trying to say with that reamrk

With this your ''... need to understand that poverty is not good, pleasing and perfect'' statement,
are you inferring that poverty can never be or can not be good, pleasing and perfect?

Again please dont pull out on me that poverty card prayer you asked italo pray
- this is mainly because I know the plan and will of God for me, so dont start that nonsense with me. OK?

SMH.

MuttleyLaff:
You see my dear brother from another mother, you sometimes, have to be unambiguous and clearly state what you are trying to say in your posts

With this your ''... need to understand that poverty is not good, pleasing and perfect'' statement,
are you inferring that poverty can never or can not be good, pleasing and perfect

Now please dont pull out on me that poverty card prayer you showed italo
this is mainly because I know the plan and will of God for me, so dont start that nonsense with me. OK?

Only God understands what you just wrote.

italo:
For someone in heaven to be like God and to know fully has everything to do with everything because God himself is the source of everything.

Mary and the saints are like God and know fully, according to 1John3:2 and 1Cor13:12. If it is too painful for you to accept, then you can call those scriptures 'satanic' again, as you have done before...or you can manufacture a 'context' and tell us.

Afterall you said the bible is from the satanic Talmud...why should I expect you to believe it.

Your error goes way too deep.

1 Corinthians 14:34,35 "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church."


1 Timothy 2:11,12 "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Certainly it seems that these passages enjoin women to “keep silent in the churches” and “learn in silence.” Paul even goes on to argue that he does not “permit a woman to teach” or to have authority over a man. Who could deny the clarity of these plain words?


One of the things I have learned over the years is that “a text without a context is a pretext.” It is a basic hermeneutical principle that, to be properly interpreted, passages must be considered in their immediate context, in their historical context, and in the context of the entirety of Scripture.

The Greek of 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 by Dr. Spiros Zodhiates:

Dr. Spiros Zodhiates. Dr. Zodhiates is a native Greek and his work is very impressive. His notes deals with the possibility that perhaps many people have been misreading and misinterpreting 1 Corinthians 14:34,35. In his notes on this passage, he remarked:


"Under no circumstances does the injunction of Paul in 1 Cor. 14:34 indicate that women should not utter a word at any time during the church service…Furthermore, the word gunaikes (in v. 34) should not be translated “women” in its generic sense, but as “wives.” It is wives who should submit (hupotassomai,) to their own husbands (andras, v. 35). The whole argument is not the subjection of women to men in general, but of wives to their own husbands in the family unit as ordained by God."

Indeed, in Ephesians 5:22, where we find the admonition “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord,” the Greek words translated as “wives” and “husbands” are the same as the words normally translated as “women” and “husbands” in 1 Corinthians 14:34,35. So the question naturally follows as to why we have the same Greek word translated one way (“wives” in Ephesians 5:22), but translated a different way (generically “women”) in 1 Corinthians 14:34.

The Greek of 1 Timothy 2:11,12 by Dr. Zodhiates:

After looking into the Greek of 1 Corinthians 14:34 and finding that it may have been mistranslated, he looks into the Greek of 1 Timothy 2:11,12. Again, Dr. Zodhiates made this interesting point:


Observe 1 Tim. 2:11. It does not say women but a woman, and better still, a wife. The word in Greek is gune, which indicates either a woman generically speaking or a wife, depending on the context. In this instance, since it stands in apposition to the word andros (the genitive singular of aner here meaning only “husband” and not “man” generically, 435), it must be translated as “a wife.” It is because of the mistranslations of these passages that the Christian world has had so much difficulty in understanding the proper position of a woman in the Christian Church…Verse 12 is again poorly translated in the K.J.V. It should not be “But I suffer not a woman to teach,” but “I suffer not a wife….”

He presupposes that public discussions during the services are the ordinary practice at Corinth, and he counsels that women keep silence at such times. Let them ask their husbands at home. Doubtless Paul does not mean to deny to women all opportunities for speaking under the impulses of inspiration (11:5, 13) or to imply that any speech by women in the church is shameful.

The point is that in the Church teaching is an exercise of authority, and for a woman to exercise authority over a man is to reverse the divine order of the family. Possibly “the man” is here her husband. The true subordination of women to men is in the family, not in the State or the Church. It is not that men in the mass are to command women in the mass, but that the man is to bear rule in his own house.

Some examples of women preachers in the New Testament:

# Junia and Andronicus (who may have been husband and wife) were members of the church in Rome; they may even have been the founders of the church there. Paul sends greetings to them in Romans 16:7 and speaks warmly of them, mentioning that he is relatives of them (or fellow Jews), and that they had become Christians before he did. Andronicus and Junia had suffered persecution because of their faith and at some point had been fellow prisoners with Paul. Paul also states that Andronicus and Junia were “outstanding among the apostles”. This is a wonderful commendation coming from someone who was himself an outstanding apostle.

#Philip’s daughters were highly respected female prophets and leaders in the early church, as was Ammia of the church in Philadelphia, and Quadratus of Athens. (Acts 21:9)

#Evangelists were men and women who preached the gospel of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Euodia and Syntyche of Philippi were coworkers of Paul, and he wrote that the women “contended at my side for the cause of the gospel” (Phil. 4:2-3). This is similar to what Paul says about Timothy in the same letter: that he had served with him “in the gospel”.

#There are several women in the New Testament who functioned as pastor-teachers. Priscilla, another close friend and coworker of Paul, was one of them. Together with her husband Aquila she taught the already learned and eloquent Apollos “the way of God” (i.e. theology) more accurately (Acts 18:24-26).

In the more reliable, earlier Greek manuscripts, Priscilla’s name appears first in four of the six mentions of this couple. This may denote that Priscilla’s ministry was more prominent than her husband’s, or it may indicate that she had a higher social status than Aquila.

And so many More.

This goes to prove that women preachers are supported by the scriptures, but because of the mistranslation of the original greek, many have gone into error by forbidden the ministry of women in the church.

The whole point once again is that the wife of the man heading a church should never usurp authority but be submissive to the leadership of her own husband.

italo:
So we can't doubt that they can hear prayers on earth, like God.

1Cor13:12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

1John3:2 We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

Benjibabs, are those verses missing from your bible or is your bible missing from your shelf?

So you actually just took these scriptures out of context.

This has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

MuttleyLaff:
@Jeromejnr, yes ooo
What are the tips on to be ''wealthy''?
As we have been hearing this argument for far too long, yes, where are the scriptural proof God wants us wealthy?

Just spill the beans. Get on with it jor.
Forget about ''We have to first deal with changing the way people think before we give them the How to's.''
Jesus said we'll always have the poor around
God earlier too said something similar to the Israelites when He said:
''There will always be poor people in the land.
Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land''
so, just do it! Do it now!!

Hehe! Don't worry, when the time is right, I will create a thread for that.

But first, Rom 12:2 "Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."

So you first need to understand that poverty is not good, pleasing and perfect.

Heavenly102:
this post would have been much better if you gave people tips on how to be wealthy, coz we have been hearing this argument for far too long.

We have to first deal with changing the way people think before we give them the How to's.

hakinze00:
Well I believe it will be a great game because I followed all the gameplays and trailers but I doubt it will be d best game dis 2015,u still got lot of great games coming lyk tomb raider,star wars battlefront,halo5,assassin creed syndicate,mad max etc.,but no doubt MGVs storyline would be great..I was a big fan of far cry4,dnt knw y pipo saw smtin special in it

Well, I believe if any game is gonna beat it, that would be either Tomb raider, Assassins Creed or Mad Max. Tomb raider mostly, because the first one was great. Mad Max might get the hype because the movie was amazing.

Lol! Some funny comments I am seeing.

egift...I dey feel u.

CaptainJune:
Wow! Am flabbergasted. Clearly, a lot has happened between yesterday and today. Putting on my glasses to begin reading from where I stopped.

Lol! Characters full this place.

MuttleyLaff:
Haba! Chief na so you want take style change gear one.

Issorite. Seems you like starting something and not finish it. When asked about it, you then cry wolf

Na do dem dey greet for una end?
Just say what's on your mind, the truth who the mentor is and put the devil to shame.
It's not a hard thing to do.

Na so you run down my battery the other time, thank God I had in car charging facilities

Haha! you sure say ur battery run down that time or u being no fit answer my question?

Freksy:
Do you honor your parents the same way you honor Mary? Besides, are you sure what you give to Mary is merely honor?

You quoted Exodus 20:12, I want to believe you also read it preceding verses (like 4 and 5).

Good question.

MuttleyLaff:
Why the cold shiver?
Man up, finish what you brought up or started. Who is the mentor I learned from?

MuttleyLaff, you don come again. You too want to start your own. Leave me O. I was just greeting you.

MuttleyLaff:
... my dear sir, who and/or what is the name of the mentor?

I don't know, you know.

michaelwestern:
Am sorry if i misunderstood your posts.

Does God want us to be rich or poor?

Clarify your position by answering the question above.

You see how the guy is falsely accusing me.

@ MuttleyLaff.. I can see your good work.

You are learning from your mentor.

italo:
The bible already tells us that Mary and the saints are like God.

So you can worship them?

michaelwestern:
He made that statement probably because of the prayer of consecration that Jesus Christ prayed in the garden of gethsemany. From your conversations with him on this thread, i believe that he is still a baby christian(so am I), so dont be too hard on him

And brother, you are blessed. I've not noticed your username before but i will start looking out for you. Love you bro, keep the fire burning.

Aiit!

Thanks bro.

Can you believe that the amazing new Metal Gear Solid 5 Phantom pain got a whooping 10/10 on gamespot and 5/5 on Metacritic. I mean even God of War ascension did not match up to that. There was actually no negative review for this game.

A word from a critic:
"This isn’t just the best Metal Gear game, nor is it just the best stealth game, it is one of the best games ever made."

I believe that this will be the best game this year ranging from graphics to storyline and cinematics. The game world I am sure will beat that of Far Cry 4 hands down.

The game will be available September 1st on all platforms. BTW, there is a prologue MGS V known as Ground Zeros.

michaelwestern:
wow, this is epic. This shows the hypocricy in most christians. They dont want to be poor but they want others to be poor. Its very likely that the guy himself is not poor. He has a phone, subcribtion, a comfortable home that he can relax and browse and he possibly even has a car but he wants other christians to be poor.

But there should be a balance too. The reason why God wants us to be rich is not only so that we, our family and our coming generations(some people have money that can last for 5 generations) can be comfortable. But he blesses us, so that we can bless others.

The bible said in ephesians 4:28; " let him that stole steal no more: but rather labour with his hands the things which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.



God bless you all.

True talk bro!

italo:
Let CaptainJune come and see and help you quickly...

Obviously you have run out of hiding space.

...and also show him where you said the Bible is from the heretical Talmud where it was said that Jesus is burning in hell.

We're done mehn.

italo:
I don't know.

Even Jesus didn't know God's will regarding whether he was to be crucified or not.

Even St. Paul didn't know whether God would heal his ailment or not.

Even Job didn't know whether God wanted him to be rich or poor.

What we know is that God wants us to know him, love him, serve him and be with him forever.

CaptainJune...come see this abeg. Especially the bolded.

DashMeYansh:

I Too know fake Gamer. Thats actually Big Boss.....not that you know the difference

[=quote author=Jeromejnr post=37441385]You are a disgrace to Solid Snake.

We all know it's big boss. I was trying to make a pun here hun. ya digg. Snake=thingy. To help your brain.