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Timehin:
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But  i hope you wish to free yourself from all dogmas that pervades the world now in the name of religions and beliefs.

I assure you that all questions --Where do we come from? Where do we go when we die? What about fate and karma, Divine justice, free will, the Mission of Jesus, the Son of God, the Laws of Nature and Creation, and many others will be answered relating to happenings in the world presently and you will see errors all over the world due to fanatisms and the quest for power amongst religious leaders who claims to be serving a God whom they do not know!

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Every demonic religion wants to relate to Jesus Christ to gain legitimacy. First Islam and now the grail message. It is not by chance that the Bible states that;

Therefore God also highly exalted him (JESUS)
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

If you don't bow now, you will bow later when the truth finally hits you, better when you are alive than when you are dead.

STORY STORY STORY .The quran should be aptly titled 'Tales by Moonlight'

ALLAH IS A DECIEVER - REJECT HIM

The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

    But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

    Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

    So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme, while they perceived not. S. 27:50

THE QURAN SAYS BIBLE IS NOT CORRUPT- TRUE BUT IT SHOULD STILL BE BURNED BECAUSE OF INACCURACY

The Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qu'ran is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be acording to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.

    * Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).1
    * Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163).
    * Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3).
      Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46).

We see that the Qu'ran states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qu'ran since the Qu'ran says that the Word of God cannot be altered:

    * "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
    * "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
    * "For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64).

When Muhammed (570 - 632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qu'ran from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qu'ran states that God's word cannot be corrupted. The question I have for the Muslims is "When and where was the Bible corrupted, since the Qu'ran says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah's words cannot be changed?"

WHY THE QURAN IS FALSE AND SHOULD NOT BE READ OR QUOTED BUT BURNT

The Qur'an and the formation of sperm error

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7).

At first reading of this Qur'anic verse, it is obvious that the error is that sperm comes from a man's chest. After all, the chest is "between the backbone and the ribs"? The abdomen is below the backbone and ribs, and the male testicles are far below that.

This error is important because in Islam, if one thing in the Qur'an is false, then Islam is false. In Islam the Qur'an was supposedly transmitted directly to Muhammad from God through the angel Gabriel. Therefore, it cannot have even a single mistake. But, as you can see, it does.

The response that Muslims give to this problem is that the testicles, during the embryonic formation, descend from an area below the kidneys. Since the kidneys are in the abdominal area, they assert that the Qur'an miraculously and with scientific accuracy portrays what could not have been known except by God; namely, that in the embryonic development the testicles were up in the chest area. But this is inaccurate. Let's take a closer look.
A drop

The verse says that it is the "drop" that is emitted from the chest area. It is not referencing the testicles that descend from the abdominal area (not the chest). In addition, by definition, a drop is a small quantity of liquid that is separated from a larger body of liquid. Gravity acts upon it and it drops; hence, the term "drop". Drops are not in the human body. They are outside of it. Human blood flowing through the veins is not in drops, neither is the seminal fluid, which is emitted from the prostate, in drops. It is the seminal fluid that carries the sperm from the testicles as it exits the body that then forms drops. Therefore, what the Qur'anic verse is talking about is not the testicles, but the seminal fluid and sperm mixture that has left the body during sexual intercourse. It is the drop that the Qur'an says is formed from "between the backbone and the ribs." This is an obvious and blatant error.
Where do testicles form?

Sometimes Muslims will say that sperm comes from the testicles and the testicles are formed in the chest area. They then maintain that the Qur'an is correct since the testicles were in the chest area. Is this accurate? Not at all.

* "The testicle originally forms in the back of the abdominal cavity, similar to the position of the ovaries in girls. Near the end of pregnancy, the testis begins to descend to the scrotum."1
* "The testicles begin inside the abdominal cavity."2.
* At seven months, "The testicles begin to move down from the abdomen into the scrotum."3
* "Normal testicular development begins at conception and the testicles first appear in the abdomen at about the level of the kidneys."4

Even if it can be surmised that the testicles were formed in embryonic development in the very lower part of the chest area, it still does not solve the problem wherein the Qur'an states that man is formed from the drop that is emitted from between the backbones and the ribs. The drop, the liquid, is not formed in embryonic development and does not begin such development until the testicles begin to mature. This occurs after the birth of the baby and after the testicles have descended out of the body.

Therefore, the Qur'an (also known as Quran and Koran) is incorrect in its statement that a person is formed from a drop that is emitted from between the backbone and the ribs.

@ javalove

You don't have to be abusive in trying to make your point. But you are allowed to display your stupidity and ignorance which you have done within this thread and others.

hubreality:
Believing ought to be a choice. Right? Atheists in NairaLand are most arrogant, breeding hatred here and there. Must you be very unruly and abusive to people and their religion simply because you don't believe God exists. Don't worry, there's no hidding place on the internet even with routing ip softwares. Sorry is your name.

I second your opinion. But why should we be surprised? What do you expect from spineless blighters who hide behind their computers to spew recycled rubbish but lack the courage to defend their stand in public. Anyone who is not man enough to stand for their believe in public and are afraid to die for their opinion should SHUT THE FU*K UP. And that include all atheists.

Horus:
Yes this 7 years old boy is smarter than his dad who decided to take him to church, because he is showing his father that a 7 years olds boy have the right to have the choice to go or not to go to the church. This boy show his father that he should not presume that he has a moral obligation to have the same religious feelings that he do. Christianity should not be enforced on childrens.

If you sincerely believe that a 7 year old boy is smarter than his dad, then you are more deluded that I thought you were. Well, I shouldnt be surprised because anyone who is stupid enough to believe that there is no God would believe that chickens grow on trees. But an atheist can say or do anything to twist the truth to suit their warped thinking.

toneyb:
This is the only reason people believe in imaginary gods, FEAR. Just watch the transition, the tale started with believe in god or die immediately, then it changed to believe in god or suffer when you die. Since the bible has been shown to be wrong concerning things that people can check and verify like history, science and other stuff why accept its other claims regarding things that you can not verify like eternal life?

He knows exactly what will happen and this is nothing, if he is afraid like you he will never leave Christianity in the first place.

The fact that Tudor was a church-goer and decided to become an atheist is not a big deal. He wasn't a christian and has never been. You cannot be a real Christian, experience the presence of God and then later decide that He doesn't exist. There are thousands of more enlightened and educated people who have become Christians. The main reason people believe in God is not fear but FAITH. To correct you, there is no where the Bible has been proved to be wrong with regards to history or science.  Continue to remain in your deluded world.

Tudór:
Like mazaje will say: one of the many lies the deluded christian would tell himself in order to sleep at night. . .i weep!

Tudor, no offense meant but you shall weep the more if you die in your current mindset. Eventually everyone will know whether God does really exists or not. Is just a matter of time Tudor, you will get there, notwitstanding what you spew on Nairaland or anywhere else for that matter. I hope you are looking forward to that day?

Abuzola:
Stop pretentious

@Abuzola,

I thought you have decided to sheath your sword? I would advise you to take the time you would have expended in spewing hatred and stupidity on Nairaland to attend some english lessons.

Are you saying the boy is smarter than his dad who decided to take him to church? The fact that most children will do anything to avoid going to school or even taking medication when they are unwell does not mean its bad for them. These atheists will never cease to amaze me. They use any situation to justify their unbelief but deep inside they envy those who put their faith in God.

Abuzola:
I don't like what am doing but am been compelled by ur inanimous animosity on Islam. If my friends see what am doing here they won't believe it.  Am a gentleman and if you see me you will doubt am that abuzola causing problem. Am going to keep off from what you presuppose blasphemy, i think the muslim section is quite good at the moment the likes of extremist have evaded it from osisi to david, but we only have some few nuisance, anyway is left to the mod.  I will be calm for weeks but will return fire if havoc returns in the muslim section.


Hate me or love it its all about internet, but for sure when you see me am captivating and charming. Am blessed with everything.
(don't say more otherwise !)

Good to know you have decided to bury the hatchet in the interim. Congratulations! you have saved yourself a lot of grief. We have also decided to sheath our swords. If you decide to return fire in a couple of weeks time, rest assured that we'll be here waiting for you.  Meanwhile je ka sha kunun zaki!   

bawomolo:
stop wondering, we would find out as soon as you marry am

God forbid.

spikedcylinder:
I totally agree with you. Its really not worth it arguing with Christians, they claim god is love but behind their lovely white veils, they are a buncha hypocrites.

With your level of lunacy, I wonder what you will be teaching your children.

ALLAH CAN'T EVEN GET HIS FACTS RIGHT

I thought you said the Quran does not contain errors. You claimed it was written by Allah, who happens to be the creator. Well, I have news for you and other folks who have been deceived: The Quran contains so many errors that it makes me embarrassed. Here are some;

Qur'an 3:59- The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.


Qur'an 19:67- But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?


Qur'an 15:26- We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;


Qur'an 16:4 -He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer!


Qur'an 96:2-Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:

Its so sad that you worship a thing that cannot get his facts right.

bindex:
What do you know about religion? when tudor asked you if you have ever healed a blind person as Jesus "promised" those that believe him him the ability to perform that kind of magic you tried to change the topic and ended up running away. Deluded fools.

@Bindex

Do you think I am as stupid as you are? Tudor asked me that question on a thread with the topic 'Who is the Man Tudor'. The intention was to make himself and the thread relevant. I saw the stupidity of his smartness and allowed it to pass. Keep believing your nonsense and remain the fool that you deserve to be. I know what I believe in and I don't need a blind fool like you to tell me otherwise.

Ubermensch:
@ JIL,

are you an atheist? Your sig seems to contradict your written views. Atheists think like monkeys? yet you go into great detail to prove that Allah is illiterate, last time I checked Muslims are theists, so wouldn't theists be the monkeys?

And to answer the question, of course boko haram isn't fighting a just cause. Why would anyone even ask?

Im definately not an atheist. I am more sensible than that. If I'm giving the option of picking among being an atheist, a muslim or commiting suicide, I might consider the latter.

Abuzola:
Jesus the weakest god ? How should he come back when even to resurrect he lied about it mathew 12:40,

@abuzola

Please, you have been excused to write in Arabic as we are more likely to understand your Arabic than your almajiri grammar.

WHY THE KORAN IS BOLLOCKS

Allah says the sun rotates like the moon

Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.

Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.

Allah says the earth is flat

Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;

Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

Allah needs basic lessons in integrated science.

Tudór:
There should be an atheist moderator in both sections. In that way there'll be no impartiality and unnecessary bannings. Just my 2cents

Atheists have no business being here in the first place. If I hate music what should I be doing in the music/radio section. Atheists should confine themselves within the romance section to spice up their boring life a little bit. 

WHY THE KORAN IS BOLLOCKS

Its states that Allah created the heavens and Earth in 6 days ( plagiarising the Bible)

Quran 7: 54 Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

Here it is 8 days (2+4+2)

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days.

Allah needs mathematics lessons.

WHY THE KORAN IS BOLLOCKS

Qur'an 9:5, known as "the verse of the sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem."

Who says the Islam is a religion of peace? If you get in you won't come out alive. Neither will you get 72 virgins. You are more likely to get a 100 demons as companions.

Abuzola, please stop quoting the koran. I am more likely to believe you if you Quote the Sun or Punch newspaper.

Horus:
Yeah!! stay in your Spell of ignorance and stay in your Ghost religion.

@Horus

You blind fool, who told you its a spell of ignorance? You atheists are the scum of the earth. You always talk about things you no absolutely nothing about. I will rather discuss religious matters with a dog as they are more likely to understand religious issues. You are so puffed up with arrogance that you don't know that you are displaying ignorance.

I know my God and who I serve. You know no god and believe so much in your worthless education. You are spiritually blind that you have no locus standi to tell me about my faith. I leave you with your ignorance. Fool.

WHY THE QUORAN IS BOLLOCKS

Allah is an illiterate

It just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and , are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [Sura 5:90, also Sura 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [Sura 47:15, also Suras 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?

WHY THE QUORAN IS BULLOCKS!

Mohammed's Tale
Sura 18:85,86, says that Alexander the Great (Zul-qarinain) followed the setting sun and found that it went down into the waters of a muddy spring. Sura 18:89-98 says Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age.

Historical Fact
Actually, Alexander the Great died very young and was by no means a Muslim. The Greek, Alexander the Great lived from 356 - 323 B.C. (Before Jesus). He was 33 years old when he died. Muhammad and Islam did not come along till 610 A.D. (after Jesus), when Muhammad began preaching Allah and his new religion in Mecca. This was over 900 years after Alexander the Great died. Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great.

I will rather read Shakespeare's Macbeth than the koran as you are more likely to find a more reliable historical fact.

Islam is not a peaceful religion. It is the only religion that uses the sword to convert people and threats of death to prevent adherents from abandoning it. Even Mohammed used terror to convert others. What other evidence do you need?

Abuzola:
What those people are doing is unislamical and islam says woe to it, the northerners are muslims and thats why they have been killing this herectic BOKO HARAM group, no single person support their conduct. So poster do not grieve neither should you fear. There is no compulsion in religion, choose wise man

@Abuzola,

You are one of the most unintelligent poster on nairaland. You also need to polish your grammar a little bit. I don't know who gave this mallam access to the internet.

Hatred, killing and destruction are some of the attributes of Allah. That is why everywhere in the world where Islam flourishes, there is meaningless destruction by these agents of darkness in the guise of 'peaceful' religion. Anyone who foolishly believes that islam is peaceful should be castrated to stop them from producing bigger fools.

Chrisbenogor:
You want to kill him abi, so you are a boko haram member?

He is not a boko haram member. He is just displaying an attribute of his demon god like other adherents of Allah.

davidylan:
when did Muslims also start talking christianese?

When did grace sneak into islam?  While men slept . . . the enemy indeed hath sown tares among the wheat.

Islam and its adherents have always been copycats. They have no original idea of their own and that is why the koran is widely known as a demonic version of the Bible. The only originality islam displays is hatred and destruction which is a veritable attribute of their demon god. There is grace in islam but its known in another form; 72 virgins and 80,000 servants. 

Aremugangan:
@jil, what will you do when jesus finally returns?

I can see you are Abuzola's sidekick. If that is not bad enough, you have made it worse by sharing a common name with obasanjo.