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vaxx:
if you like talk about sex in the millitary

carry on as you were bro

Just30:
this is MI 28 Havoc

yes

vaxx:
you are am idiot check, Russia? China too and tell me of this country are the same with USA

I was talking about budgets not operations.....

vaxx:
you are an idiot. Go check out USA ( the top most secretive society) America will not only jailed you but will killed you of you exposed just a iota of their millitary operation outside. The recent Russia case is an example

Is Ghana the US? ALSO we are talking budgets not operations!!

Just30:
corruption in not an issue here especially in association to misappropriation of funds.

All im saying is how would you know?

Just30:
sandf is not a clandestine institution.

The entire budgetary spending of Ghana military can be found on the military high command website.


Here, a black budget is necessary for national security.

100% its not clandestine institution neither should any defence force be!

TayserMahri:
Just take us to the original

Don't worry I will in a bit.....but im not done playing with you!!

Now tell me did I photoshop this photo with a watermark as well

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TayserMahri:
You took the kenyan photo and photoshopped it. Share the direct link to your supposedly original photo. Reverse searching both of those images takes you to kdf. None to yours. Your days of denial are truly numbered.

Jeezis Im must be good at photoshop then since my effort looks more real than the Kenyan attempt!!

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TayserMahri:
I want the photo, not lectures. My dignity cannot be threatened by an armchair general from westkaap.

I look forward to your reply

I added the photoshoped photo for you to compare:

Just30:
Except no looting takes place because recurrent and operational expenses are already know and it is based on which budget are allocated.

Parliamentary Account Committee carried out their own audit to make sure all monies allocated were used according to law and for the purposes they were allocated.

Parliament duties ends there, they cant touch the Clandestine services.

If that budget is not audited how do you know its not looted?

Just30:
You missed the discussion

no one is referring to the defence force but Clandestine Security activities.

As I've stated before the entire sandf budget is transparent and audited... Things like secret/black budgets don't exist here

vaxx:
only quote me when you got the brain . I Will be wasting time with an unexposed idiot. I am learning nothing from you idiot.

Millitary is an enigmatic organisation not the one you run in your sitting room.

cool story bro!! Keep making excuses like its a Black Budget!! All you are doing is making excuses for corruption.

At least I know exactly where my tax money is going with regards to military expenditure.... And I also know if and when they waste my money

rvp2018:
Very laughable. The total budget is known. The breakdown is unknown to the public but not to budget offices, parliament security committees, etc ect. The security budget generally is un-audited publicly - but still audited - which KaziKazi has explained could lead to corruption. Your misunderstand opaqueness.

When you talk about coups - what will Kenya or Tanzania say - countries that have never had any successful coup.

In most modern democracies (exclude Ghana) - including Kenya - the security budget is still somewhat audited - verified - but parliament and audit office that swear to secrecy - and there is civilian authority of the military.

Now if you country has a rogue security sector that is un-supervised - and have a budget - nobody - not even parliament knows about - then no wonder you're just little Nigeria in the number of coups.

interesting.... I can literally download the entire SANDF financial statements anytime and see exactly what our budget is spent on everything from salaries to acquisitions.

Just30:
Here, the Auditor General has no authority in any military or secret Police matters.

seems like an excuse to loot state funds if you ask me!

obaaderemi:
You really know your weapons, man!

that's why I'm actually on nairaland.... 99% of my time on nairaland has been spent on the military forums.

vaxx:
Mr idiot, Google up black budget.

The line item is that you can see (everyone can see) the amount spent, but not on what or whom or where it is covertly taken from or even the amount taken from them - the details are secret, excerpt from those who are in position of authority.

Auditing millitary and national intelligence of a nation is not similar like that of your bedroom. It is never an open system.

I don't have to google sh1t to know that a defence force should be audited like any other institution.

The SANDF for one does not have a black budget.... Anything that can not be traced is listed as wasteful expenditure!!

This is how it works in SA anyway!

vaxx:
you are daft and unintelligent at the same time, security service as its name suggest is an enigmatic organisation, it is not an organization where you can audit like financial service . The money allocated into the system that remains visible is only what the govemernt want you to know. black budget programs requires significant effort as it is not disclosed as a line item anywhere in the budget anywhere rather, the amounts tend to be buried within other line items in the public budget, and then covertly diverted from those projects to the actual black budget projects. That is the common sense .

At least Ghana has been through some more than twenty-one years of an uninterrupted democratic dispensation; it has been some thirty-three years since a successful coup attempt and, Ghanaians, especially the national security establishment has every right to claim leadership position that no sitting president has ever been assassinated nor the country plunged into unnecessary crisis. For this alone, Ghana is touted as a thriving democracy and a gateway to Africa.

100% disagree security services should and are audited every year!! the South African DOD is audited every year by the Auditor General!!

Danielnino00:
What kind of logic ??

Global fire power is the most reliable ranking site out there..

Your logic is irrelevant in this context...

@pacretus what do you think of your colleague's statement

TayserMahri:
lol, its photoshop now!! post the original image to back up your claim.

As i did with @gallivant I'm giving you a chance to leave with your dignity in place........

And yes I do have the original photo!!

pacretus:
bro I have told you time and again... Morocco isn't South Africas mate.. Don't deceive yourself bro.. bigger than the whole of sa please don't bring link ZA that bull crap doesn't shoot gun or missile. Next time you put SA above Morocco, I'll disgrace you with raw pics side by side SA weapons...

#knowyourmate

Let's compare shall we:

Navy

Combatants:

-Frigates: SA 4 / Morocco 3
-Corvettes: SA 0 / Morocco 4
-Missile boats: SA 3 / Morocco 4
-Subs: SA 3 / Morocco 0

Close but due to SA has subs, which is a massive force multiplier

Airforce

-Fighter and Attack aircraft : SA 26 Gripen, 24 BAE hawk / Morroco 23 X F16 Block 52, 9 X Mirage F1(same platform was retired by SAAF in 1992 due to obsolescence), 26 X F5E(even older than the Mirage F1), 22 X Alpha jet(mostly retired around the world due to obsolescence)

-Dedicated Attack helicopters: SA 12 / Morroco 0

-Special mission aircraft: SA 7 / Morocco 6
-Total transport aircraft: SA 34 / Morocco 33
-Total transport helicopters: SA 79 / Morocco 69
-Training aircraft: SA 56 / Morocco 28

SA has more modern Attack Aircraft 50 to 23 however Morocco has more Attack aircraft in total 80 to 50

SA has more transport + special mission aircraft 41 to 39, SA has more AHs 12 to 0.....Morocco has however expressed interest in buying 24 apache... But as of yet do not operate the platform.

SA has more helicopters 79 to 69 and more training aircraft 56 to 28.

Very difficult to choose, The Moroccan airforce has more attack craft, but SAAF has more modern attack craft, in terms of transport aircraft its close however The RMA has 14 C130 to 8 thus advantage RMA, in terms of helicopters SAAF has the clear advantage with more transport and Attack helicopters..... To close to call between the 2.

Army

-Tanks: SA 195 Olifant mk1b+2 / Morocco 222 M1a1, 48 T72, 54 VT1a.... Several hundred 1st gen tanks that were recently retired.

-IFVs : SA 1200 Ratel /110 AIFV, 60 Ratel, 395 X VAB vci/vtt

-AFVs: SA 178 X Rooikat / Morocco 180 X Amx10 , 175 X AML60/90 (retired by the SA army due to obsolescence, replaced by the Ratel 90 and Rooikat), 20 X ERC 90

-Tank Destroyers: SA 52 Ratel ZT3 / Morocco 23 m901A1.

-Hand held Anti tank missiles: SA several hundred, assortment of Denel FT5, Milan ER and Ingwe ZT3 / Morocco several hundred, assortment of Russian, US, Euro and Chinese systems.

-APCs: SA 440 X Mamba, 370 X Casspir / Morocco assortment of APC(mostly secondhand) numbering around 950 in total in service

-SPH: SA 43 X G6(still the longest firing 155mm SPH in the world), 6 X T5-52 / Morocco undisclosed amount of 2S19 155mm(most likely a single battery for evaluation), 127 X M109s 155mm (mostly donated), 90 X Mk f3 155mm(very obsolete, mostly retired by most armies), 60 X m110 203mm( obsolete, retired by most armies)

-Towed howitzers: SA 72 X G5 155mm(one of the longest firing towed 155mm in the world), 32 X M71 155mm, / Morocco 30 X FH-70 155mm, 35 X M198 155mm, 20 X M114 155mm(ww2 era obsolete) , 30 X 118 105mm, 18 X M101 105mm(very obsolete, retired by the SA army after ww2), 18 X m-46 130mm(vert obsolete, retired by the SA army back in the 70s)

-Multiple Rocket launchers: SA 50 X 127mm / Morocco 35 X 122mm, 12 X 300mm

-AA guns towed + SP: SA several hundreds of 35,23 and 14.5mm / Morocco several hundreds of 23,20,14.5mm

-SAMs : SA 178 X Starstreak manport/vehicle mounted systems(very Short range), several Umkhonto gbads systems(short - medium range) / Morocco 36 X MiM 72(very obsolete, retired by the US 23 years ago) 12 X tungusta M

SA has never placed a huge emphasis on tanks due to the superior preformance of wheeled vehicles on the open, hard and dusty surfaces of SSA, hence The Moroccan army has a clear advantage in the Tank department...... As for the rest the SA army has a clear advantage in terms of quality of its systems and in some cases even in quantity.

Other huge advantages that the SANDF has includes the most extensive radar coverage in Africa, some of the best Communication systems in the world exp: Chaka C2, Impi Bluefor tracker, new generation tactical communication system from Reutech SA, the biggest defense industry in Africa, thee most sustainable defence force in Africa.......... Oh and most importantly our biggest weapon and the one you hate so much LinkZA.... Which btw does fire missile and guns!! With LinkZA different platforms can fire each others weapons for exp a Rooivalk or even a Valour class frigate can designate a target for a Gripen fighter even though it might be out of sight of the Gripen, it means our generals have a full real time map of the battle field 100% of the time, it means our Artillery can hit moving targets, the fact that our Radar systems are linked with LinkZA means our Gripen and Hawk can fly with their radar completely turned, making them dam near invisible to enemy aircraft.

What I will note is Both Morocco and SA have several systems that have either been ordered and not received yet as well as systems that both countries have interests in for future acquisitions, thus I've only included systems that a confirmed to be in service with these nations.

Danielnino00:
And this ranking is according to which source ??

According to simple logic

go look at Morocco's army, Navy and Air force.

Danielnino00:
Despite all the noise about budget and training,the Kenyan military isn't even among the top 10 in Africa..

gfp is a bunch of B.s mate!!
The actual rankings would actually look like this:
1.Egypt
2.Algeria
3.South Africa
4.Morocco
5.Nigeria
6.Angola
7.Ethiopia
8.Kenya

samorobo:
Somethings are not even worth discussing or arguing..
Africa military power.

Egypt
Algeria
South Africa
Nigeria
Ethiopia...

Sorry but Kenya is lost in the scenes...
Know your place.

Angola is undoubtedly more powerful than Ethiopia....

Abohboy:
Which is better Kenyan or Nigerian

better is relative..... However on paper the Nigerian military is more powerful.

davefurn:
Although ur land army is well equipped buh Nigeria numbers take a larger precedence....just our reserve forces is a whole lot

it's only larger in terms of men..... Wrt actual equipment it's smaller quite alot smaller

gallivant:
Gdp is statistics. The economic aspect was brought in to muddy the waters on a sound aspect of Gdp which is, its simply statistics in every nature and form.

what does gdp calculate?

davefurn:
Kenya can't compare to Nigeria military wise either airforce, land and sea and Nigeria can't compare to South Africa military wise, only in land forces that we will have a slight advantage due to our numbers.

the Nigerian army is larger in terms of men but lacks the quantity and quality of equipment that the SA army possess.

gallivant:
GDP is statistics, what is what was said. It is by nature just statistics.

uhm no, your boy claimed that GDP isn't economics at all..... Are you saying the same?

gallivant:
But you said it, its statistical in nature.

it is yes... But you boy rvp said Gdp has nothing yo do with economics...

gallivant:
GDP is statistics. Do you disagree?

it's statistical but as GDP is economics