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kabe1:
Don't tell me what you think, it's useless and irrelevant to this discussion.

Fact is it is an attack helicopter primarily because the NAF wants to use it to provide CAS and the service designates it as such.

If NAF bought the A109 specifically for CAS then that would be one of the most idiotic acquisition of all time.

SuperSixSeven:
Would you fit $100m weapons and electronic systems on a 40 year old ship? Thats not a realistic option, a replacement is inevitable and hopefully coming.

Yes... Because 40 years ain't that old.

kabe1:
From Boeing.

Read and educate yourself.


https://www.boeing.com/defense/ah-6-light-attack-helicopter/

Bro? Was I talking about the AH6 or was I talking about the A109??

What is the primary role of the Ah6? Then after you've answered that, what is the primary role of the A109?

SuperSixSeven:
She did not age well - this ship needs a complete makeover or scrap and replacement.

NNS Aradu?? She just needs a refit.... There's nothing else wrong with here......

A fully operational and refitted NNS Aradu will be on of the most formidable frigates in Africa

kabe1:
The statement quoted in that article is directly from the Nigerian Air Force.

Who's talking about bashing, are you drunk again?

I'm telling you what they are according to it's user and you're talking yayafo.

Bro they are not Attack Helicopters.......end of story

Problemkid1:
Remember you didn't ask me any question? I was only given you a clue oga? Stick to the person you asked question?

Yeah just wondering why you mentioned this post of mine instead of the otherone which was relevant to the topic you were talking about

kikuyu2:
The universal problem-none of us is as as smart as we think,as this thread has shown repeatedly since it began! A funny realistic life hack: the main ones-


https://www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/7-signs-youre-not-smart-you-think-you-are.html

Just think;why the actual eff would a Boer try to tell us Boers and Africans were friends from the get go and Johnnie Brit was the bad guy while denying his kept thousands of slaves and instituted hardline apartheid!?

This quote from Bezos encapsulates the issue:
https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/heres-how-to-tell-within-5-minutes-if-someone-isnt-as-smart-as-they-think.html

If he can change his mind why won't this dude with his 2 degrees and a CFA?

Yeah smart people believe in Aliens, Reptillians, unicorns, black nazis, obama/bin laden were BFFs, Black people that kill are physiologically white.

Secondly I did not deny Boers had slaves.... I specifically said Trek Boers did not have slaves and neither did their states.

And why don't you stipulate to me what it means to be African or not in this case..... Since factually speaking all humanity began in Africa.

Lastly ain't it ironic that I was the first to mention the dunning-kruger effect..... And here you are posting about it

Problemkid1:
You're wasting your time. That sufferNsmilling is gallivant. Can't you see the way he attacks every of your post if you try to catch him

This isn't the answer to the question I asked.....

gallivant:
So did sufferingsmiling. Case closed.

except I proved beyond all doubt that they were mine by including a simple hand written note with my moniker on it.

68816419:
The Nigerian Air Force receives and assembles two new attack helicopters. Buhari has transferred 5 aircraft [#Pic4] from the Presidential fleet to the Air Force . NNPC also gave 6 of its helicopters to NAF. MDAs followed the directive and released 11 aircraft to our Air Force.

Jeez on this thread as well??

Bro these are A109s they are light utility helicopters....they are not Attack Helicopters

The South-African Air Force operate the exact same helicopter

gallivant:
You can do the same with your passport. Some of us believe you are Namibian.

I already posted my passport

68816419:
90% the top 100 richest people should be blacks, black controlling @ least 70% of its resources, sporting activities, Entertainments , Manufacturing and many more.

Interesting.........Did you come up with the above all by yourself?

kabe1:
https://allafrica.com/stories/201904230037.html

night,revealed this during visit to frontline troops, said the delivery the two Agusta 109 power attack helicopters was enhance the fight against insurgency in the country.

Don't you now sound dumb?

The person who wrote the article sounds dumb..........Xbee007 is 100% correct, your Mi35 are AHs not A109s...........honestly Bro, A109s are good helicopters and a great addition to your Air Force........Nobody is bashing them, it just you, that wants to hold on to this false narrative that they are AHs

Jimi24:
The LYNX helicopter would clear the air on this. I hear Nigeria Navy is buying one or two. There is Army Lynx helicopter that is sometimes configured as an AH. The Navy Lynx is ASW but also SAR. There are anti-surface vessel missile launching lynx choppers. There are also a myriad no of uses.
I think the idea of dedicated AHs started with AH 64 Apaches. It is the deadliest chopper around but it is actually a waste of money. Single role aircraft are a waste.

We call MI 35M chopper attack helicopter because it is heavily armed and has heavy armour protection HOWEVER MI35Ms will carry up to 10 commandos, drop them at a position and go on to engage columns of tanks and IFVs.
Is that just an AH?. No.

I believe the A109s as configured with 70mm rockets, 20mm canons and HMGs meet all requirements of an attack helicopter. The cockpits are also lightly armoured btw.

Show me an A109 thats armed like that..............Ill wait

kabe1:
You are missing the point. Those birds you posted are used primarily used as Transport helicopters.

The Nigerian Air Force uses the A-109K as a Close Air Support platform as it's primary role. hence the service designates the A-109K as an attack helicopter.

The Air Force also has A109e platforms that are used for light transport and MEDVAC roles, hence their designation.

Belgium also uses and identifies the A-109K as an attack helicopter.

Why is the Type-056 in Nigeria an OPV and not a Corvette like in China?

A service defines a platform by the role it plays in that service.

This is straight from the Belgian Air Component: https://www.mil.be/nl/materiaal/109-hirundo

Now seeing you don't understand dutch............And I do, let me translate what they are used for according to their website:

- Help to the nation( don't know exactly what that means, could be that im translating it wrong)
- Humanitarian emergencies
- Armed Military deployment
- Peacekeeping operations
- Medical evacuations

As you can see they are not PRIMARILY used for Attack operations

Also just because they can be armed with missiles or Guns......Just like SAAFs A109s or Super Lynx that still doesn't make them attack helicopters.

Pics Belgian A109s taken directly from the Belgian Air component:


Secondly the Nigerian Navy P18N are an OPV version of the type 56...........they do not possess the armament to be designated as a corvette.

68816419:
Nigeria as the first black nation to design and build its own satellite got a contract from the European country, Belarus, to manage their satellite programme for the next 10 years. Nigerian engineers and NigComSat will get $400,000 yearly to the nation. Great minds from here.

So what constitutes a Black Nation?

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Show me where I got the pictures from and I can take hundred more pictures in different angles. I can take pictures of my passport all day

Take 1 picture of your passport(anyone) just the cover will be enough, you don't even have to open it.....HOWEVER in this photo include a handwritten note which reads SufferinSmilin...........Just like what i did when i posted my passport!!

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Here is my passport all of them. Keep on deceiving yourself niger state boy I am not a Nigerian but you know the truth in your heart

those are not your passports you stole the picture from another user

kikuyu1:
SIGHHHH!
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Trek#Background/url]

So you see the Brits actually banned banned slavery to protect the indigenes while in your own fairy tale of innocent Boers worked hand in hand with local workers while voluntarily paying their lobola! THIS SLAVERY ISSUE WAS ONE OF THE CAUSES OF YOUR GREAT TREK!



Stop denying obvious historical facts! Those are pathologies suffered by blacks and browns worldwide at white hands-at least 4mn,some say 6mn have died in the E DRC since the late 90s. We've seen this sadism and contempt for life among only one people on this planet.

Genius,you started separating yourself your people from Brits;a most unwise move,imo.

Can you read bro?? Did I ever say Boers did not have slaves? or did I say Trek Boers didn't have slaves? Now go back and try again.

And as I said before if the Trek Boers truly left because of slavery then why did they not take any slaves? Why was ZAR and the OVS "free" states... You keep on dodging this question.

Also I've never denied what white people have done.... Unlike you that can't accept that Blacks have done the same to other Blacks....... And when the facts have been brought before you, you make the excuse that its some white man myth, or better yet they are "physiologically white"

kikuyu1:
Happy new year,sis! I wish you were here earlier. JLN115 claimed his people found empty land and later on Shaka Zulu killed 2 million so their settlement wasn't so bad after all. I swear the ishyt that nigga says!?

I said South Africa was mostly uninhabited, thats a historical fact! ...... Don't come and twist my words.

Also I never used anything to justify what the Boers/Afrikaners did.... All I did was dispell your myth that Africa and Africans were living in some paradise without murder, theft and population displacement.

kikuyu1:
They had 17000 Khoisan slaves as the link says.
Yes, the Tutsi are psychologically white: racist, violent and homo-WTF!? Ofc you insist that's normal.
I'm aware the SANDF landed in 99 in response to a mass murder of Hutus that began with the murder of prez Ndadaye in 93.
It's dumb when you keep squealing "conspiracy /fantasy." It doesn't help your case ignoring facts.
Keep your homilies to yourself: or better yet instead establish why mass death and depopulation of indigenes accompanies your people globally .
across all timelines.

None of your links state that the Trek
Boers had 17000 slaves......

The Tutsi are black.....just because you don't like what they did doesn't make them "physiologically white"

A person who believes in Reptillians , Black Nazis and who posts photo shopped pics of Bin laden and Obama claiming they were buds, ain't going to lecture me on what is fact!!!

Again who are my people?? If you want to lump me with all white people then I'm going to do the same...... If all white people are my people then all black people are your people including the Tutsi, Boko Haram and Al shabab...

kikuyu1:
At first you tried to pin everything on Johnnie Brit -one would have thought Africans and Boers inhabited a New Zealand or Switzerland!?


Honesty! Honesty , nigga!

[url][https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Trekurl]

SLAVERY ABOLITION WAS ONE IF THE CAUSES OF THE GREAT TREK.

Yes, Tutsis while not as bad as Somalis truly consider themselves superior to Bantu and had a de facto apartheid til the Germans arrived. Also homoism was openly practiced which explains their cruelty, sadism and desire to dominate.

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[url][https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Rwanda/url]

Earlier I posted how my Burundese Tutsi doppelganger I met in NW Tz 2001 was a knob gobbler-IMAGINE MY SHOCK!? Like many whites you pretend this is normal; thankfully some of us are wiser and see it as a determinant for many of their sociopolitical ills.

Mtis the Qubit, see this ishyt! You and rvp20182 say I'm anti Tutsi: have you ever read anything like this before? How delusional are these mofos !?


[url][https://kulanu.org/communities/tutsi/jews-central-africa/url]

Mass murder, arrogance, contempt and conceit and still they play the victim!? Ask any African who does that? Your SADF were peacekeeping in Burundi after they killed the Hutu prez and at least a 100 k others in 93!

The Garissa massacre was on an important Jewish holiday of Passover , a major tell of false flags and I've said who the owner of the Westgate mall was. Similarly too many people have pointed to France behind BH and Sahelian jihadists.
Here's the Burkinabe defmin accusing France:
[url][https://www.google.com/amp/s/mg.co.za/article/2019-06-04-00-i-question-frances-motives-says-burkina-fasos-defence-minister/%3famurl]

Eeben Barlow of STTEPS said much similar. Btw, it's not intelligent to deny the obvious -this isn't new or conspiracy theory. IT'S NOW IN THE MSM including your own papers .

When did I pit everything on the Brits?? Also the British might of abolished slavery but you as well as I know the atrocities they committed all over Africa.

Also the abolishment of Slavery wasn't the main cause of the Great Trek, but did it play a role? Its difficult to say as the trek boers never took any slaves and their sovereign states were "free" states..... If the abolishment of slavery was a major reason don't you think the Boer states would've been "slave" states instead of "free" states?

Ok so you are stil running with the excuse that blacks that murder and steal are "physiologically white" ?? Gosh that would mean a vast number of Black people in the world suffer from that

The SANDF/SADF were first deployed to Burundi in 1999 NOT 1993......

As for your conspiracy/ fantasies.... As I told you, I couldn't give less of a fvck if I tried.

All you seem to be doing is blaming every atrocity on the whiteman..... Even those done by black people.... Honestly Its sad!

kikuyu2:
You've been repeatedly yelping Boers aren't Brits-as if it makes a difference!? Your genetic impulses are identical: you've done very very effed up things!. Within 3 decades of Jan Riebeeks landing at the Cape his settlers were taking Khoisan slaves-do you deny this? In fact in the 1830s when Johnny Brit banned slavery all over their territories including the Cape Boers trekked to remain with their slaves-true or false?

The 2nd Congo war was about pyschologically white Africans,Tutsis and their superiority complex,sadism and the urge to dominate. They're the same behind Idi Amin's killings-he was another Adolf Hitler-A TRUE PATRIOT! He never did a fraction of the ishyt he was accused of though your tribe will insist he was a cannibal. Like Obote before and after him he trusted Tutsis and employed them in security/intel whre they royally screwed him.
Btw,2 Baganda buddies from Luwero,the epicentre of the 1980s mass killings independently told me it was actually M7's NRA rebels who slaughtered their people.
S Sudan sparked off when the Sudanese grew tired of discrimination of the Arab North-btw,they're not considered true Arabs by the Gulf dwellers. That war ended in 2005. The only tarmac in the entire South was a severely potholed 4 km stretch in Juba when I was there May 2007. The latest war began when the CIA bribed Riek Machar to start ishyt and undermine China's oil investments. Jean-Fraude is behind BH-everyone knows this! Somali clan leaders and Gulf royalty fund Al Shabab though there's indirect Israeli influence.

Again never have I not acknowledged the atrocities done by the Dutch and even the Boers...... However I will not be told they were the only people that have murdered, thieves and displaced, when the truth is, that it was happening all over Africa by Africans.... Even yo a much worse extent.

Also the trek boers did not own any slaves, the Great Trek led directly to the creation of the Boer states not long after and both were "free" states.

So that's your excuse?? Really bro Psychologically white Africans.... So you are going with that right?

Also now Israel is responsible for al shabab and France for Boko Haram...... Bro I'm not interested in more of your fantasies, honestly!!

Just30:
hehe

of course it has nothing to do with me
You are the one who placed it on the take for public discussion.

telling you to study your bible well and learn is not about anyone judging you.

why would I need to study my bible,if you weren't judging me?

Just30:
they all stem out of Ancestral worship

And STILL I wasnt talking about Ancestral worship

Just30:


so all these Bible verses are lying right?


Revelation 18:23
Verse Concepts
and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.

Zechariah 10:2
Verse Concepts
For the teraphim speak iniquity, And the diviners see lying visions And tell false dreams; They comfort in vain Therefore the people wander like sheep, They are afflicted, because there is no shepherd.

Isaiah 8:19-20
When they say to you, "Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter," should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.

2 Chronicles 33:6
Verse Concepts
He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of Ben-hinnom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger.

2 Chronicles 33:3-5
For he rebuilt the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down; he also erected altars for the Baals and made Asherim, and worshiped all the host of heaven and served them. He built altars in the house of the LORD of which the LORD had said, "My name shall be in Jerusalem forever." For he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.

2 Kings 21:3-5
For he rebuilt the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he erected altars for Baal and made an Asherah, as Ahab king of Israel had done, and worshiped all the host of heaven and served them. He built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD had said, "In Jerusalem I will put My name." For he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.

Exodus 7:11
Verse Concepts
Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts.

Exodus 8:18
Verse Concepts
The magicians tried with their secret arts to bring forth gnats, but they could not; so there were gnats on man and beast.

Numbers 22:6
Verse Concepts
"Now, therefore, please come, curse this people for me since they are too mighty for me; perhaps I may be able to defeat them and drive them out of the land. For I know that he whom you bless is blessed, and he whom you curse is cursed."

Numbers 23:23
Verse Concepts
"For there is no omen against Jacob, Nor is there any divination against Israel; At the proper time it shall be said to Jacob And to Israel, what God has done!

2 Kings 21:6
Verse Concepts
He made his son pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger.

Isaiah 47:9-13
"But these two things will come on you suddenly in one day: Loss of children and widowhood They will come on you in full measure In spite of your many sorceries, In spite of the great power of your spells. "You felt secure in your wickedness and said, 'No one sees me,' Your wisdom and your knowledge, they have deluded you; For you have said in your heart, 'I am, and there is no one besides me.' "But evil will come on you Which you will not know how to charm away; And disaster will fall on you For which you cannot atone; And destruction about which you do not know Will come on you suddenly.read more.
Acts 8:9-11
Now there was a man named Simon, who formerly was practicing magic in the city and astonishing the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great; and they all, from smallest to greatest, were giving attention to him, saying, "This man is what is called the Great Power of God." And they were giving him attention because he had for a long time astonished them with his magic arts.

Acts 13:6-8
When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for so his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.

Acts 19:19
Verse Concepts
And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12
"When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.read more.
Leviticus 19:26
Verse Concepts
'You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying.

Jeremiah 27:9-10
"But as for you, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your soothsayers or your sorcerers who speak to you, saying, 'You will not serve the king of Babylon.' "For they prophesy a lie to you in order to remove you far from your land; and I will drive you out and you will perish.

Ezekiel 13:18
Verse Concepts
and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe to the women who sew magic bands on all wrists and make veils for the heads of persons of every stature to hunt down lives! Will you hunt down the lives of My people, but preserve the lives of others for yourselves?

Exodus 7:11-12
Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts. For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.

Exodus 8:16-19
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, 'Stretch out your staff and strike the dust of the earth, that it may become gnats through all the land of Egypt.'" They did so; and Aaron stretched out his hand with his staff, and struck the dust of the earth, and there were gnats on man and beast. All the dust of the earth became gnats through all the land of Egypt. The magicians tried with their secret arts to bring forth gnats, but they could not; so there were gnats on man and beast.read more.
Isaiah 44:24-25
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone, Causing the omens of boasters to fail, Making fools out of diviners, Causing wise men to draw back And turning their knowledge into foolishness,

Leviticus 20:6
Verse Concepts
'As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.

Micah 5:12
Verse Concepts
"I will cut off sorceries from your hand, And you will have fortune-tellers no more.

Acts 13:6-11
When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for so his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.read more.
Revelation 21:8
Verse Concepts
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Exodus 22:18
Verse Concepts
"You shall not allow a sorceress to live.

Leviticus 20:27
Verse Concepts
'Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.'"

1 Chronicles 10:13-14
So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, and did not inquire of the LORD. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse.

Acts 16:16-18
It happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling. Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation." She continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out at that very moment.

Acts 19:18-19
Many also of those who had believed kept coming, confessing and disclosing their practices. And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

They are not lying....but also not talking about real sorcery or magic as you believe.....the sorcery and magic were simply tricks as done by modern day magicians.... However at that time people were much more gullible and easily fooled than today(Because they had no access to information like we have today) , hence could be fooled in to believing that the tricks done by those magicians and sorcerers were real magic.

Just30:
An IQ increase does not mean a reduction in stupidity.

It means an increase in intelligence.... That's what it means.......

Just30:


kindly save yourself the embarrassment
this one thinks those youtube videos he watch is claiming magic is what it is
Please most of the are just tricks

but actual magic does exist and likewise sorcery

bro?? Really?

I mean if you are going to Diss me it should actually be relevant..... Why would I think YouTube magicians(or any magician) do real magic, when I've literally stated magic doesn't exist.

And according to science magic doesn't exist btw..... And the nice thing about science is just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it wrong

Just30:
naa youve been expose and you're trying to suck up

Yeah you are right magic, witchcraft and sorcery exist

kabe1:
You're a clown.

The VDV use the that Typhoon as an IFV.

Its not..........the typhoon-vdv is just a lighter version of the standard typhoon APC..........for obvious reasons.

mtisTheQubit:
i think being smarter is relative...today i think we've more fools an egoist folks than any period of time

I disagree, I just think its because they have a platform(FB, Youtube, Insta ect ect) to show the world their foolishness

kabe1:
What is this?

What role is it going to be used for in the Russian military?

Depends on configuration but APC(mostly) .........however if armed with a 30mm cannon as in the pic it could also fulfil the role of an IFV in less conventional operations.

But not ulike the A109 its not a dedicated IFV since it lacks the ballistic protection to fill that role.