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Shma2022:
That's cool.

I know.... That's why I posted it

Shma2022:
I clarified, read well.

Yeah so you giving me sh1t when you have done exactly the same.... How does that logic work?

vaxx:
I [b]am even suprised Ghana is not even among. Nigeria, I am proud of you.[/b]likewise tanzania.

Bullshit

Shma2022:
That's cool.

yeah.... Facts are cool man

Shma2022:
Is English the problem?

"Will" expresses the future tense. I didn't say "I have never. "

Read to understand.

For clarity, I will never engage flat-earthers on their specific ideology.

ahhh ok, so does that mean you aint talking to your boy Saddam anymore?

Shma2022:
Technical mistake, but the message is home, right?

No not really I tend to stick with actual projections from reputable organisations instead of a Kenyan with such a fragile ego about his country that he will make up is own figures on GDP

gallivant:
Ok Mr. Hunter, I think you should relax. We draw the line at unicorns!!

what about shapeshifting reptilians though?

Shma2022:
- it doent matter, ague what you were challenged on. Don't pull outdated conversation.
Yes, I said you have selective amnesia.

- And that is absolutely ok, though the bone of contention is Jobug vs Nai. I don't care if you're expanding other places.
Value of new urban development in both countries was never our argument. but you suggested it because I whipped you on the main debate, that's cool

- correct. Sober debate needs logic and facts.
Logic is when I bring reality of circumstance. Eg, the rise of anti-boers. Or, failed government like ANC.
Facts is when I use reputable data, eg WB, IMF etc to trace the trends in growth or say things as they are using proof. Then common sense applies thereafter. For instance; if Kenya's GDP has been showing a consistent decline or stagnation for like 5 yrs or a decade. Then there is the likelihood of zero growth in the next same variation.

- I don't need projections, I need real data. I can use my common sense to predict.

- context! Come on! The common sense in you is definitely lacking. Yes, I agree Comparison is a monolithic term, and what I said is definitely it. Now go and learn the differences between comparing and contrasting.

- Correct. I know it's political . 3% to 4% is a fallacy. Let's scrutinize you GDP growth rate from 2010.

- The rest are repetition. Not worth my time.

- It's not my fault you are a hypocrite and contradict your own arguments my bru, and that conversation is 100% relevant since it shows exactly what you claimed you never said.

- I said let Kenya catch up to Joburg before we compare it with Nairobi, that's what I said....Is Nairobi closing the gap? yes, will it overtake Joburg...probably not in our lifetime.

- That's not factual or logical since there are 0 facts to suggest that what you are claiming will happen will actually happen
- Then why don't you go and look at WB and IMF projections yourself instead of thumb sucking random figures?

- So according to you WB and IMF projections are nonsense and your "common sense" trumps the projections of organisations with millions of dollars in research funding?........... is that what you are saying?

- When you say something is in contrast to something else then you are still comparing....YOU compared Nairobi to Joburg, there is no disputing this.

- scrutinise it, there is no denying Zuma has screwed SA for more than a decade.

Shma2022:
You must be dumber than flat earthers for you to engage one. l will never find myself engaging a flat-earther.


Anyway, 80% of the magnificent building you see here were done in 2016 -2017.

you have... On many occasions, as recently as 3 days ago

Mkenya2019:
Rwanda too

OK

Shma2022:
The irony

good one

popizaino:
Clearly an oversight on the emboldened right ?

yes should be SA, just a typo

Shma2022:
Yes, from 10times, to 3 times in 2022, not 2 times.

So yeah, thanks for provkng the point.

so you were wrong... Again?

Shma2022:
So you're picking Quotes that I posted last year? How desperate are you?

Go back and trace the ground of my argument. I said "" Nairobi two CBDs(Westland and upper Hill) have more new developments than any Joburg CBD, and its growing at a faster rate than any south African CiTies. Nairobi CBD is filled up Already; it was empty a decade ago when joburg was pretty much full.

You're so dafts. I said perhaps - perhaps is a likelihood, more of a speculation. Perhaps, you're terrible at listening skills( you might be or might not) The rest like lack of comprehending skills is what you posses, that submission was plain and simple, you don't need quantum physician to decompound for you.

Again, I gave you WB data. Kenya is growing at a slower rate, on the grand scheme of things. Yes, faster than SA but the trajectory is moving down while SA is flactuating.

I know you want to annoy me by bringing a Negative vibe to cover a simple "yes, I agree Kenya is growing faster than SA"
Upper middle-income economies are growing, but SA is stagnant, why? Being slightly ahead in development doesn't mean you're there. Accept the fact that you're dead and rotting. You're Not moving forward like other proper middle incomes. So don't bring development that was done in the apartheid era, where gold was an ingredient.

2080 is 57 years.

Simple maths:

Kenya
$120B(1 +0.06) ^ 57
$3324B --- $3T
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 57
$738B --- $0.7T

Let's try 30yrs:

Kenya
$120B (1 + 0.06) ^ 30
$689B
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 30
$564B

In per capita, you're just 3 times Kenya, just like your GDP. Don't be happy.

Joburg has $76B -- bigger than any city in SA. Joburg is Alpha city , the only one in Africa, more developed than anything in SA. Joburg is twice Naorobi CBD, SA is three times Kenya's GDP. Meaning, Nairobi and Kenya are not moving at the same pace. Again, use your brain. The contention is between Nairobi and Joburg. No one brought Kenya into the mix. Joburg can't match Kenya, how do you expect Kenya to overtake Joburg? Don't shift goalposts with this submission.

Good, any source or link to prove Joburg is $103B -- I honestly need this.
Heck! Joburg's GDP in 2011 was $113B --- how come it's a mere $76B in 2014? Might be way lower in 2023, who knows? Just drop the link.

The bolded is your typical imaginary submission to supplement your far-fetched detected write-up. No one said Nairobi is competing with Joburg, or Kenya is competing with SA. That's you who is trying really hard to bring that up. Our point is: we will soon overtake! We've given you maths and trajectories. Don't tense, I know you're not happy with the statement KENYA WILL OVERTAKE! it's a simple algorithm, not ego contest.

Yes, projections are never real. Projection is guesswork. I asked for real data from IMF or WB for instance. From 2010 to maybe 2022. I know 2023 data is yet to be out.

- last year as in less than 2 months ago.....and you say I have amnesia??....

- I then replied and said we are building new cities as our current ones can't be expanded, you also said Kenya's new urban developments are expanding at a faster rate than SAs... Thus I asked you should we compare the value of new urban development projects.

- let me teach you something, in debates you don't use your imagination and your own speculation about the topic, you use the facts, if you say Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years then you back it up with actual sources, you do not say things like "variables circumstances" and "perhaps"..... The world might end within 10 years and that would mean Kenya will never catch up however that is not how debates work.

- I also gave you WB projections, which clearly show your population eclipsing SAs and its pretty common knowledge that SA has one of the slowest growth rates in Africa even slower than Kenya as per your own source

- When you say thing like Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10 years then you are 100% comparing it to Joburg... Or don't you know how comparisons work?

- South Africa's problems aren't structural, they are political, in theory SA could be growing by 3-4% by 2026 and 5%+ after that....even Eskom can be sorted pretty quickly through privatisation. We aren't in a middle income trap like you call it, we were in an ANC trap or rather a Zuma trap

- Really? You are going to post this stup1ty? So you assuming SA will grow by 1% every year and Kenya by 6% every for 57 years?? Are you good bru? Must I go post the 2050 largest economies again?

- I though you weren't comparing Nairobi and Joburg? But anyway if Joburg can't match Kenya then way does it have an economy nearly the size of kenya, why does it have a rail and road network nearly the size of kenya, why does it have more sports facilities than Kenya, why does it have more retail space than Kenya? Should I go on? And FYI it doesn't matter if Kenya and Nairobi grow at different rates, its irrelevant to the comparison.

- here: https://www.c40.org/cities/johannesburg/

- Again if you say Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/15/20 years then you are comparing.... Also thumb suck figures and made up math equations arent a source, you need to back up that claim with reputable sources like the IMF, WB, pwc ect ect your made up figures aren't a source.

-OK my question again, must I travel in time to 2050 to get you real population data for 2050?.....or are you saying the WB is completely wrong with there projections and that Shma2022 is more accurate wrt population projections?

Mkenya2019:
linear projections will never see economic miracles like they never saw many.In 2035 you'll be reading of kenya economic miracles by same Imf and pwc . Now watch Vietnam,Bangladesh and India.South Africa is very sick...

only Kenyans that's probably why you also believe the earth is flat and that unicorns exist

Shma2022:
I can simply copy past this nothingness and flow with it until you get sense.


Again....the irony
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You could, besides this particular debate as you stated above is filled with nothingness and drivil...no reason for me to respond to a debate which has no intellectual value... Besides we got a good one going anyway

Mkenya2019:
I use many to evade the bots here but Idon't think we are here merely to regurgitate what PWC says.Again economic growth is not linear.You need to understand deeply the dynamics that faces each country. FACT is kenya has sub Sahara highest hci..that has majorly been responsible for the growth the last 20yrs from 12b dollars economy to now 120B.20 more years..we are talking a trillion and 200 billion economy. Fundamentals.

It's not just PWC, it's also the IMF, WB and other major financial organisations that don't support what you are suggesting.

But yeah should've just made a RVP2023

Shma2022:
Don't be vulnerable to facts.

I gave you facts.


You were 10times bigger than Kenya 10years ago. Now you're only twice. I know it pains.

Anyway, Prepare for a hullaballoo. History will be rewritten soon.

this is what you call facts bru:

Now do the math...

Rest of your post isn't even worth a response

Shma2022:
Yes please, do that. You're just about to embarrass yourself.

Again, this is not what we're talking about. Don't bring your imagination to supplement your far fetched submission. I told you react to what I am telling you. I was not debating in the line of what I've emboldened. Yet again, chronic amnesia at it! Comprehension skills is lacking. Buffoonery, poor reading skills and perhaps terrible listening skills at it. If you're not high on expired viagra, then you must be suffering from mental break down.

Correct. But we need to factor all spark plugs of same. Eg, at what rate are you growing? How is your trajectory in terms of population, infrastructure, economy, etc? Kenya is without a doubt growing faster than SA. That's why we came up with Kenya catching up theorem.

Correct! With varying circumstances, Kenya can become a superpower so does SA. The point Is, don't overlook the nitty gritty. Also, don't ignore the obvious. So yeah, you have said nothing regarding this specific paragraph. Woohoo, you just cemented my point.

You can lie to the dogs. 1% owns the world. The government can be 1% but it's impact is significant.
That is not to say everywhere on twitter is boer and stolen land. It's everywhere. In every space; tweets and submission coming from Black south Africans, it's either racism or land. The movement is mounting. Prepare for a hullabaloo... Soon!

I was about to put that as a pressumption; boom! It has come to pass. I can read your mind like a professional psychologist. I know Nairobi is inside Kenya, but the point I made clearly few over your puny brain. I said that to say this:

Nairobi dominates pretty much everything in Kenya. That's how a capital city should be. Joburg on the other hand dominates nearly everything in SA. So all those cities makes huge percent of development. joburg being ahead of Nairobi, it's certainly ahead of Kenya in many aspects. If Nairobi was in Ghana, it will be pretty much ahead of Kenya in many things. That's how it is. So don't get confused with basic logic.

And just to clarify a thing. If your joburg doesn't much don't bring it to the equation. It's either entirely or nothing. Don't say joburg nearly matches Kenya in this and that, the hell! You're just proving every moment how dumb you are. And maybe you forgot this part.

If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village. that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.. ---- this is without a doubt a matter of amnesia. So I'm basically dealing with a demented.

Now that you've brought Joburg GDP, prepare for more brutal reality.:
Joburg was $110B economy in 2011. Nairobi was doing $11B thereabouts. That is a whopping 10times.
Nairobi is doing around $32B while Joburg had depreciated to $76B - in 2014. Thats is just twice as much. You're going down while we're heading up.


comprehension, BOZo! I said yes to real data. I asked you to help me post real data.

- Alright then

- OK bru then what are we talking about if we are not talking about infrastructure, development, economy ect ect? Then in what exactly will Nairobi surpass Joburg?... Also FYI we ain't sending voice notes, listenings skills ain't really relevant #commonsense

- Yes Kenya is 100 percent growing faster than SA, you are far less developed and have a faster growing population, nobody disputes that, what I'm disputing is your nonsensical conclusion that Kenya will overtake SA in 10/20/30(changes every day) years when in reality Kenya will only achieve this feat in 2080/90...yet in terms of GDP per capita you are not catching SA in our lifetime

- No actual not cementing your argument at all, in fact I'm exposing it for being Idiotic, actual scientific projections use real world data, not speculation of things that you imagine could happen, the data we have to our disposal does not show Kenya catching SA within the next 50 years.

-firstly Joburg isn't a capital city, secondly my point again is let Kenya as a whole catch up to Joburg before making nonsense comparisons stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/20 years(changes every week).

- The point I'm making is that it's a much closer and fairer comparison to compare Kenya as a whole to Joburg than to compare Nairobi to Joburg, this is because in terms of economic indexes and infrastructure indexes like road and rail network lengths, retail space, sports facilities ect ect Joburg not just comes close to Kenya but in facts leads Kenya in some if not most aspects.

- the 76 million figure is out dated, its from 2014, in 2019 it was 103 billion, probably around the same now post covid

- so the data from the world bank isn't real? or do you want me to time travel to 2050, get the actual figures, and then post them here?

Mkenya2019:
When I first made that projection in 2016..Kenya gdp was 60B..now 120B..South africa is stuck in middle class trap.Kenya will take off economically in 2030 due to many reasons..africa best hci/tfr of 2/infrastructure.Countries now taking off are India,Bangladesh and Vietnam. Economic growth is not linear..it like a plane taking off...it initially very slow and burn a lot of fuel...then it take off.South Africa took off in 2000s rising from 150 to 450B in a decade.Then it predictably stalled because HCI..Malawi type of 40. Minning is not just mineral but all the multiplier effects..Joburg was built by gold..not literally..but mining support manufacturing and service.South Africa until it focuses on human capital..right from improving its terrible basic education is going NOWHERE.It will remain stuck where it is.You took off to 10,000 feets but never reached 40,000 feets so you cruise on auto pilot. Kenya is still on runway taxi.. it needs 5/7yrs to be ready for take off..Nigeria plane is still in parking lot undergoing major repairs .Bankrupt Ghana plane was seized by creditors and will be out of business for 15yrs.

I understand now what's up RVP.... Why arent you using your original monikers to spew your nonsense?

Also why is it that not a single organisation like the WB, IMF, PWC, CIA with billions in R& funding don't even have Kenya close to SA until at least 2080 but ret@rded Kenyas on Nairaland are certain that Kenya will overtake SA in 2030...or 2040( Shma2022 )...... Do you see now why nobody takes you seriously?

Shma2022:
You good at Clutching at straws. I give you that 💯

Again....the irony

Shma2022:
Mathematically, Kenya will be $515B economy in 25 , if all factors remains constant. $214B in 10yrs.

SA we know will be $300B or $400B. 10yrs ago, SA was 10 times Kenyan GDP. In 2023, SA is only 2 times Kenyan GDP. Kenya is still showing resilient growth.

Must be nice to be so stup1d that one could thumb suck any figures you like then whole heartedly believe those figures and use them in an argument

Shma2022:
Never talked about confirmation bias - this is Chronic amnesia at it again! I never said Kenya will overtake SA by 2030. Read to understand, not to waste words.
I know I've rendered you with no choice but to pull out imaginations that can supplement your "confirmation bias," like you said. You have literally made zero counter argument from what I told you.
Thus say, Kenya overtaking SA by 2030 is possible with varying circumstances and impossible if all factors remains constant. (don't ignore the bolded )

There is no contradiction in that statement; unless you're extremely obtuse not to see. I can juxtapose different opinions, that's not contradiction.
You should embolden every statement supporting the claim, instead of displaying selective amnesia.
"Kenya will certainly not overtake SA anytime soon if all factors remains static!"

"Kenya will without doubt overtake SA in 10yrs if circumstances that I consider will happen happens."

Lemme explain the second point:
SA are championing for land repossesion. ANC are pro - boers, equality and whatnot. The other group with an upper hand, are anti - land grabbers(boers). Once they take in power, boers will go through hell. They will start tracing their root in Europe like "the year of return by Ghanian." That approach alone will see SA industrial sector collapsing, sports dying, infrastructure going into tetedemmalion, economy melting down and pretty much everything crumbling. SA will have to start afresh and bear the consequences of post independence. Kenya will be moving at a faster rate, then.

ANC with all the load shedding, voltage reduction, economy recession, zero progress will win? That will be a recipe for war this time around. ANC is terrible, but electing them will to some point; compared to the other party retain the state of normality - Key words: TO SOME POINT.

Because Nairobi is way ahead of Kenya! Nairobi accounts for 30% of Kenya GDP. Nairobi has more skyscrapers than Kenya. If we start comparing Nairobi with Kenya, Nairobi will win in most parts. Capital cities holds primary status of a country - Joburg has no competitor in SA notwithstanding her Crime rate. Again, we came with Nairobi, challenge Nairobi. If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village, that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.

Are you talking about Joburg CBD or what? Where do you get 300? HAHAHA!
Joburg has less than 50 malls, FYI. Lie to the stupid fella, not here.

TF, I asked for REAL DATA from WB(2010 --2023.) Am I speaking in Chinese or what? Do you by any way suffer from neurasthenia?

- You did....Must I post a screenshot and embarrass you once again?

- I've posted road network lengths, rail network length, retail space, number of sport facilities, number of schools, economic indexes ect ect and I've backed every one with a reputable source.....You have provided almost 0 sources and those you have, like your WB growth projection actually further prove my argument.

- It's also possible South Africa can become a global power by your same logic, however we base projections on current information.

- Again I could say SA could become a super power in 10 years, or Kenya could collapse in 5 years...fvck I could say what ever I want and just put " varying circumstances" as confirmation of my point using your logic.

- less than 1% of SAns think that land is actually a problem in SA........Job creation, Crime, Eskom ect ect are all factors SAns feel are pressing problems, land isn't one of them. Land repossession is a political scape goat that's all, even with 2/3rds majority the ANC has concede that it will not change the constitution to allow EWC and will rather pursue other avenues....secondly not even the worlds largest super power was able to drive the Boers of the land, you think the ANC or the even smaller EFF can?....also fyi out of all the ethnic groups and tribes the Afrikaner population has been the group with the lowest immigration rates, out every 10 people that leave SA 8 are none white and of that 2 only 5% are of Afrikaner decent so in a nutshell out of the 915000 people that have emigrated from SA(2015 -2020) only 9000 have been Boers....Also interesting to not that although the white population is decreasing in SA the Afrikaner population is having a small boom in population growth.

- My bru we have some of the fairest elections in the world, we have one of the best constitutions in the world, hell we even jail a former president...something Kenya will never do in our lifetime. The ANC will lose 2024 and a DA led coalition will take over, the ANC will accept and probably split in to 2 or more smaller parties, by 2029 ActionSA , DA and the ANC(or ANC break away) will be the 3 largest parties.

- Nairobi can't be ahead of Kenya when it's part of Kenya you muppet, my statistics didn't exclude Nairobi when I was comparing Joburg to Kenya....my point is as a whole(As in together) Kenya(including Nairobi and all other cities) are still barely on par with Joburg wrt to the sheer magnitude of infrastructure and economic size. Joburg has nearly the same rail and road network length as the entire Kenya(as in Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), it has more shopping centres than what Kenya has(inc Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), same with sporting facilities, Joburg alone has a GDP of 76 billion....that's 70% of your entire country........do you see the point im making now?

- I literally asked you if I must post 2050 populations projections and you said yes, but you said it must be form the WB or IMF............I did and now you are crying??

Mkenya2019:
In 5yrs kenya gdp will rise from 120b dollars now to 200B growing at 6-7 percent annual growth rate. South Africa economy will be stuck btw 350-400B depending on rand/dollar rate with 0-1 percent growth. Then btw 2028 to 2032 kenya economy will start it take off as total fertility rate will drop to 2 percent ,gdp per capita will hit 4000 around 2030 to become upper middle class country and economy will grow by double digit doubling to 400b before 2035.South Africa will continue to be hobbled by middle class trap because they cannot transition to high income with poorly educated black majority. Kenya will accelerate from 2035 to become developed country by 2050.The big difference will be down to educational outcomes of kenya and South Africa. South Africa has got where it is due to enormous minerals and small educated minority ...and has hit diminishimg marginal utility since 2010.For them to move forward they must address human capital.Human capital of 90 percent majority blacks.kenya right now has education outcome or levels of upper middle class while South africa has lower middle class education levels...South africa need to fix that..ANC or Eskom is not the problem. ANC grew the economy rapidly from 1994 to 2010...infact in less than decade from 2002 to 2010 ANC almost trippled the economy from 180 to 430B..then it was over.The economy need to be reconfigured and restructured from natural resources to knowledge based economy. You need way above basic literacy.

cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

Shma2022:
I presumed you would say exactly this. I posted in that comment and deleted it just to see how it goes. So I can now conclude without a doubt that your cognitive ceiling is wallowing at a shallow point// Average and its surrounding, or perhaps you're high on expired viagra today.

bru....you making 0 sense, but continue, you are great entertainment

Shma2022:
Rvp said, I didn't. Another proof that you suffer from chronic Amnesia ; perhaps blended with glaucoma.
Kenya catching up with SA will certainly take years, pretty much 40+, if we base it of with the current GDP growth. That was not the point though. And yeah, I already gave you my take on why Kenya will surpass SA economy in 10yrs to come. My point is entirely different from that of RVP and it remains static.

Yes, that's why I told you not to be so certain about the impossibility of Kenya overtaking SA on anything anytime soon - 4,510--- 40yrs. That's beside our upward trajectory vs your downward both on economy and other development aspects. Heck! the end of ANC can mean catastrophe to your economy. Just don't elect Malema, cos my instinct toward that line is not playing with my mind.

Agreed. But Joburg is just a step away from Nairobi - not the way you're putting it. Nairobi has more than 45 shopping malls, bridging the gap on skyscrapers, fixing horizontal infrastructure to a first world standard, universal electricity connection (zero load shedding). Joburg is Alpha, Nairobi just a step down in Gamma category - of course with the likes of cape town, Casablanca... So yeah, joburg is ahead but not extremely like you're putting it. Nairobi is growing faster than Joburg, that's without doubt. The debate is "moving to catch up " --- not; "Nairobi can compete Joburg. " Again, read to understand, not to reply.

Never asked for fantasies and dream. Post real world bank figures. Let's see the trajectory for both. I want to show you something.

- you said it is confirmation bais when I said Kenya is not overtaking Kenya by 2030....dont go changing your story

- how does this contradiction even make sense Also what are your reasons? And why aren't they supported by any legitimate economists and analysts?

- the fact that you think Malema even has a chance to be elected when the EFF can barely get 10 % of the vote makes me wonder if you really understand what you are talking about.

- it's not just a step away, that's the fvcking point, how can Nairobi be a step away when Kenya as a whole is barely at Joburg level of development?.... And 45 malls is nothing when Joburg alone has over 300

- those are world bank projections like you asked for...you just having another stroke from being e-whipped once again.

Shma2022:
Maybe spoon feeding will suffice.

Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way

Good?

you should really read what you posted my bru instead of just copy and pasting from the internet without comprehending what you post

Shma2022:
Don't bring up things I didn't say. I never said Kenya needs 5, 10, 100 or 1000yrs to catch up. That is not what I'm debating. But 5 yrs is pretty much enough for anything anywhere to happen. So yeah, might be true or not, considering the dynamics of the circumstance.

My fidelity is to facts and logic. If I say mango is better than orange, challenge me on that ground. Don't tell me mango is better than every fruit you have. That is bull cr@p & Childishness - rooted in complacency syndrome.

Correct!

Post current population trend from the world bank or IMF. Don't post fantasies and dream. So yeah, help me post both Kenya and SA population growth trajectories. Thanks in advance!

- Well your mate Rvp says it everyday and you decide to weigh in on that debate every single time, you even said my response was "confirmation bais" when I said to rvp that Kenya will not be close to catching SA GDP wise in 2030 ,and if I bothered I would probably find a post of yours where you have said it yourself.... So don't fool yourself my bru

- a lot can happen in 5 years but a lot can't as well, our judicial, constitution and financial systems are to strong for SA to collapse like a Zimbabwe, the ANC will be long gone before a total collapse could ever happen, in fact we are one of Africas most stable countries, Kenya for example as it is now is closer to total collapse than SA ever will be....and that's says a lot considering SAs current problems.

- the point I'm making is that you are comparing cities that are in entirely different leagues, and to further prove my point i use Joburg vs Kenya as an example as to how nonsensical that comparison is....ive provided the fact here before wrt to Joburg vs Kenya/Nairobi...yet you and rvp have amnesia because we have this exact same debate every couple of months

- Kenya population 2050 : 85 million
South Africa population 2050 : 73 million

Source: World Bank

Shma2022:
Sounds like I've aroused your intense feelings. Don't be a touchy-feely dopey.

that's the conclusion you got from my reply? I thought you said you have common sense

Shma2022:
The other way around, BoZo!

scream it at the top of your lungs my bru maybe it will come true

Shma2022:
Are you high on adulterated coc@in? You're just responding without comprehending.
The amour propre driving you roots from how you're laying out your answers " joburg is bigger than Kenya and BluhBluhBlu." that's how buffoons and Ego driven brigades bahave. Bring joburg to the table and compare it one on one with Nairobi. Let's check the magnitude of differences between the two basing on the facets you mentioned. That will help us weigh the possibility of Nai catching up, Bozo!

YES. Let's do that. And lest dementia hits you, lemme retract you to the topic. We're not saying the value of new projects in Nairobi surpasses that of Joburg. The point is no new development in Joburg can come close to those in wetlands and upperhill.

I hope you dont have glaucoma. Not sure if English is slapping your brain. I said I agree with NEARLY everything you said. Nearly ≠ Entirely.

What the hell is going on with you? Don't be a f*ckin ret@rd. I gave you our data, and the rate for Kenya was clearly on a downward trajectory, SA is flactuating year in year out. Kenya is showing resilience in decline.


Again, understand the context. Don't argue blindly. I gave out an example to prove how dumb your logic was. Heck! You haven't answered the question, smh.

- I'm simply quoting fact my bru ....actual facts that you can research for yourself, You are here stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5 years and Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years when in reality there isn't a single shred of evidence that suggest any of this, see the difference? and fyi I have posted the actual figures wrt, road network, rail network, retail space, housing market, sporting facilities, schools, universities ect ect on this thread before for all to see.

- nahhh bru you said Kenya not Nairobi, we going to compare SAs new urban developments to that of Kenya

- I didn't say you agreed with everything?? you sure you have don't demen

- Must we post population projection of SA and Kenya in 2050?? Just to prove how ret@rded you are?

Shma2022:
It's the other way around. Stop being shallow-minded.

again...the irony