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airmark:
When I read posts like yours I burst into laughter.

Below is exactly how a professional will analyse Sterling's miss that may still fly over your head because you are a member of RPP. 😄

Who the hell is Blacklab? . See how he's saying 5ft bla bla bla as if it's goalkeeper that saved it

I still insist, only a hater or big critic would blame Sterling for missing that instead of praising the defender.

airmark:
Because only RPP members wouldn't see difference in the two attempts below.

You don't need to be any member in order not to blame Sterling for this. When a inswing cross comes in, the thought of any elite attacker Is to head to where the keeper wouldn't get to it

Sterling did that right. Nobody would blame him except of course if you're a citadel member or Sterling hater/critic

Partey, according to reports, is hoping to be fit for this werkend's game against Leicester. Arsenal don't want to rush him due to the performance of Jorginho. So it's predicted that if he won't make this weekend, it's just for precaution but he'll definitely be available against Everton.


Saka was given a time off on Monday to relax on the knocks he received against Aston Villa. He's expected to be fit against Leicester.

Jesus is expected to be available by March so it's either the weekend's game after Everton or the next week.


Hopefully, our March will be lit. Let's just try and beat Leicester on Saturday and get all 3 points

Spy360:
He joined Man United and played as a striker. What happened?

Another excuse?

He played as a striker in Man u?

Lol... You're just grasping at straws here. Even Man u fans won't tell you this. Not when they even have Lukaku if I'm not mistaken

Spy360:
It's not something impossible to do. Some players are already gifted enough to do so. Sanchez was on fire that season and so it worked for him. After that he gasses out.

Since then we have not had any other striker who could do that and still maintain their scoresheet. Jesus is good, earlier in the season he was doing so, dropping deep and still scoring. At a time he couldn't cope. It's not an easy thing to do.

I played as a striker during my senior school days and ran around a lot. This was mainly because I wasn't seeing much of the ball, and I wanted to always touch the ball. Our coach had to ask me to calm down a bit and focus more on positioning. The result was clear to me.

He didn't gas out. He just wasn't deployed there again the next season because of lacazette and he was sold the next winter window (Jan)

Like I once said, what Jesus have is a skill very few players have(another example is Sanchez).
That you don't have that skill and it didn't work for you doesn't mean there are others who have them and it's working for them.

I know someone is my who exactly plays like Jesus and he scores goals. In fact, he's one of the reasons I love and appreciate Jesus and Sanchez type of players cos they make their teammates work easier and uplift them.

Na why I even pity Sanchez sef

airmark:
Sometimes you reasoned like your Oga Dayo. You are leaning towards his party in your moves recently.

Lordfalcao will be happy to welcome you, seeing the way you equated Saka's attempt against Aston villa to Sterling's miss against Southampton, just to defend Sterling. He must be really impressed by such effrontery.

Lol .. because I defended Sterling?
Na so

Spy360:
He can still score goals if he will reinvent himself.

Henry especially is not the type of striker you want to start comparing with others.

Sanchez did well playing as a striker but it was just for one season in 2016/17 .

Henry was boss but I'm not comparing with others.
I just said that he doesn't sleep in the box yet he scored more goals. Same thing with Sanchez

And Sanchez only played striker for one season and he showed it's possible for Jesus to excel too. By beginning of next season, we bought lacazette to play that striking role

Spy360:
What happened to Sanchez after that?

Lacazette happened!
Plus, he was frustrated at arsenal ambition so he started doing selfishness

andrew444:
Who go take person wey talk say at maximin better pass sterling serious ?

Or the one that sees belotti as a better player than benzema

Once you burst his stupidity and negativity you belongs to raum.deuter camp

I Kuku go against raumdeuter recently for putting gareth bale among Laliga flops ,but nobody go see that one

Me too wey don argue with Oga Dayo on many occasions too

Just because I opposed the fact that Sterling shouldn't be slandered this last weekend cos he was one of the brightest attackers, I don almost turn Oga Dayo party member

airmark:
Lord.falcao intelligent? Your own intelligence is hereby questionable.

Spy360:
Your illustration here is quite interesting apart from a few premises you didn't take account of. They are:

1. Mr Speight didn't suggest he should cut of all social life completely but suggested he should reduce them and focus more on studying. Note that he hasn't done this yet.

2. Mr B who got the advice is not as naturally intelligent as Mr A. In fact he should not be in that class.

Your conclusion makes sense too

Mr B who is less intelligent but antisocial scored more points than Mr A though very intelligent but over social.

Lol.... Na so!!

Spy360:
If you got his point, it was about comparing two types of strikers. One that drops deep and one that doesn't. And then look at their goals stats especially goals per mins, or xG per min.

But both has to be part of the same team.

Henry/Adebayor were not in the same team for long. But we bringing up stats about Henry will be fruitless, we all know he is the GOAT here.

But I have done stats analysis for Sanchez/Giroud as they had many seasons together. I used the one of 2016/17 because you mentioned it.

Lol... Aren't we talking about strikers not staying in the box?

Henry in his time doesn't stay in the box yet he scored goals
Sanchez during his time as striker doesn't stay in the box yet scored goals


Giroud and Adebayor are strikers who stayed in the box.

The first two aren't accused of lacking composure when involved in buildups, meaning Jesus doing buildups can still score goals too?

No?

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Spy360:
You asked for stats, I have them.

It is worth to note that Sanchez played almost all the matches that season. Whereas Giroud was limited to some few games. Nevertheless in a season where Sanchez scored 24 PL goals Giroud got 12.

However, looking at their stats it is clear that Giroud had a better goals average than Sanchez.

Sanchez - 134.2 min/goal
Giroud - 99.5 min/goal (See the screenshots below)

The stats may seem like Giroud is more clinical, but we both know it's not true.

it's expected for Giroud to play bench since Sanchez is deployed as striker so I don't know why you're bringing it up.

My point is simple... Sanchez scored 24 goals as a striker playing same way Jesus did. He also made 11 assists to show that he's all about creation too

Giroud during his time as arsenal striker never ever reached 20 goals.

You're still comparing both but my point is simple. Not sleeping in the box doesnt/never limits your goalscoring prowess as long as the chances is created. Sanchez and Henry proves so!!

Mr A is a very Jolly guy and a good fellow in university. He's a very sociable guy too and involves himself in things that makes people love him very well for who he is. But there's one thing he's struggling with. He always read his books but somehow, he underwhelms when results is out(32% for example). He met with his friends to know how they can help him to see if he's doing something wrong, some offered that he should stop reading voluminously books but create more time on the courses' past questions and see if he could answer them and also learn the answers to all the questions. They also suggested tutorials for him.

But one of his friend (Mr Speight) told him to stop all the social life he's living and cut out his friends and just be reading 24/7. That afterall, "is it not book they sent him to school for"?. "That how will he play football ystdy afternoon and nack girls yesterday night only to think he'll assimilate all what he'll read this night". "Who told you you'd be composed after doing all those things".

Well, Mr B, another fellow heard about the advice and put it to good use. He's really that anti-social guy so it was easy for him. He shut out his friends and shut off all social activities while bending down to read voluminous books.

When result came out, he failed also scoring 36%. When the question was asked to Mr Speight why Mr B failed, he responded with

"Between 32% and 36%, which is better"?

Spy360:
People with objective mind have already understood my point and that suffices me.

In the bolded where your question is stated, you mentioned two names- you asked a question based on comparison yet you are against an answer with comparison. What do we call this?

All the while I have been answering your questions but you haven't answered any one of mine. What are you avoiding. Oh you are catching cruise?

You should just own up.

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Lol... When you mean people, You meant only Lush??
Someone who brought Henry Vs Adebayor and Sanchez Vs Giroud in order to drive home point?

Tbh, he shouldn't have done those comparison

Lush100:
Spy is 100% correct..
Let's ask a question.
Who is more clinical.
Henry or Adebayor?


We all know the answer.

Ok who is more clinical: Sanchez or Giroud?
I dare say Sanchez.
But Giroud has scored more goals for Arsenal than Sanchez.

The reason is simple.
Giroud stays more in the box.
Sanchez has a whooping 45 assist.
He works outside the 18box for other players.
Spy360 is correct on this one.
Composure is key.
Too much involved in build up can affect composure to score

Lol...
Adebayor Vs Henry.
Everyone knows who stays in the box more and who operates outside the box more during their era. Las las, we all know the one who operates outside the box more compared to inside scored the most goals in Arsenal's history.
Furthermore, Henry was once highest assist in a single season (18) that Ozil later broke the record(in 2015/16). That same record-breaking season, Henry was still the highest goal scorer with 20+ goals .
Same can never be said for Adebayor!

Sanchez Vs Giroud
Sanchez as a winger was even dragging goals with Giroud as a striker sef

The only season Sanchez played as a striker for us(2016/17), he scored a whopping 25 league goals and further gave 11 assists(double goals and assist never achieved by Giroud or most arsenal striker after Henry). Furthermore, he played exactly like Jesus(interplay, pressing from the front and creating chances). I wasn't present in nairaland then but I can guess that no one mentioned about lack of composure by him during that time


It's just surprising that two of Arsenal's best attackers in different eras did almost what Jesus is doing yet composure wasn't used against them!!

Spy360:
I suggest you use total shots per mins played. This is because 12 of the 21games recorded for Nketiah were more like cameos.

Besides that I agree with everything you posted here. So what's your argument?

Use the same metrics to judge Jesus and see how they compare. If Nketiah was to be dropping deep like Jesus he will not even see 2goals. Remember you said that Nketiah converts his chances better than Jesus. You will need to explain this too.

Note that I have already explained that in the stats I posted. So you may do well to look at it.

The problem is that you're comparing Jesus with Nketiah and you're asking me based on that. I won't answer nor explain that cos that's not the basis of our argument.

Until you tell us why with the whole composure Nketiah had he still misses big chances Jesus was criticized for, you'll just keep on turning around

Spy360:
Even when I mention goals I usually bring up averages. You can verify.

Jesus for example has more PL goals than Nketiah though he has done so in less games, but more starts, and more mins. In fact he has played almost twice as more mins per game than Nketiah.

So looking at it at face value can be deceptive. Because when you look at their xG it's very close. Meaning that Nketiah though his goals per mins is better, sees far more chances than Gabriel Jesus per game. He also misses more per game (or per mins played) [I used per mins because most of his game appearances were cameos judging from his mins per game ratio].

That's why I said Jesus is far from goal.

When you also look at their assist rate, Jesus completely dust him. In fact he he has more assists than goals. Meaning again that he doesn't stay in the box.

What you say?

What it means is that your "composure" is really a farce because if really Nketiah is seeing more chances and missing more, then what composure are you really blaming Jesus that he's lacking for not scoring?

Let's look at your attributes of your composure that Nketiah rightly followed

*Nketiah hardly dribble per match(we all know this but I can prove it if you want)— meaning it's the work of our wingers especially and attacking midfielders

*Nketiah shot per game is less amongst our front 3 (2nd picture)—meaning acting smart to actually hit the right shot to score and being in the right frame of mind to score(as you put it)

* Nketiah hardly creates big chances per game(3rd picture)—meaning leaving chance creation for creators

*Even his heatmaps is more in the box than outside it(4th picture)— Meaning he's more into the box and doesn't involve in much buildups and interplay

Yet he has missed the most big chances almost equalling GJ big chances missed (first pix). As at Oct/Nov when I dropped this big chances missed stats, GJ was In 11 while the 2nd was Martinelli with 3. Now Nketiah who took over Jesus have now almost equalled it (meaning our team creates quality chances for both Gj and Nketiah)

So what really is that composure you were really driving at since last year that GJ is lacking that someone like Nketiah would have benefitted from?

FirstbornWds:
You really didn't have to say this..

But na intelligent dey that list na

Spy360:
The problem I have is people not knowing how to combine stats information to make informed decisions. For example, stats may say A has missed 10chances while B has missed 8. But people will not check the no of games/mins played to decide. They just take the stats at face value.

I prefer to use averages because they give a close up idea of what's going on.

Stats aren't perfect though especially for social behaviours.

Lol.... I never ever took stats at face value reason why I'm emphasizing on specific stats to buttress points (big chances missed (instead of just chances), xG et al).

Instead you're the one looking at face value that's why you'll say Nketiah have 9 goals without considering the opponent or competition played.

I once ask you this question once last year, how do we determine social behaviour(or composure)?

Nketiah missed 4 big chances in his last 4 matches. How do we know it's social behaviour (or composure) instead of just wrong decision making?

Ballzproblem2:
apart from me I don't see any intelligent person in that list

Taguchi:
Hesben na airmark's chief of staff

Na either daily or weekly we dey get hesbenic quotes for here.

raumdeuter:
I didn't want to say it but who won't be proud to be associated with those intelligent guys he listed

Now contrast with those in airmark corner those who mustn't be mentioned

Lol... E tire me oo.

Associated with Timb.ros, S.wiz, And.rew and lordf.alcao dem.

E remain to add Ibi.me

Spy360:
I hate stats but if that's what will convince you then it's OK.

if you know the right stats to follow and how to apply it with respect to watching matches(instead of just applying stats solely), you'll never ever hate stats!!

airmark:
Who can help Raumdeuter to design his party logo bayi?

RAUMDEUTER PEOPLES PARTY - RPP.


Motto : In Dayo's footsteps we follow

Party Chairman/Owner

Raumdeuter

Foundation Members

Lord.falcao
Timb.ros
Swi.z123
Ballzprob.lem2
Andre.wbaba44
A.40

About to join
Jode.ra

Lol.... These here are mostly intelligent people you called na


Everyone knows the kinda takes Hens.ben dish out and how it alligns with yours. And e be like say Popi don dey join small small

Spy360:
You are close but not there yet.

Your mistake is that you use clinicality only to judge strikers performance.

But...

1. You find it hard to say that Nketiah is more clinical than Jesus, but find it easy to say Jesus misses more chances than Nketiah.

2. You find it hard to say Nketiah is more productive than Jesus, but find it easy to say he scores more goals than Jesus.

The fact is both are mutually exclusive.

It's like saying Everton beat Arsenal, therefore they are a better team.

When you are asked why, you cry Spy is setting trap for you. The truth is that the reason why Nketiah has a better average than Jesus is what is different in their styles of play. And that is Nketiah stays more in the box. Not that it is because Jesus is not clinical. If you have any other logical reason, I will be glad to hear it.

There are many reasons why Nketiah scores more goals than Jesus this season and that's not because of any staying in the box ish you're brandishing about and one of the main reason is that he played against inferior opponents (compared to Jesus) In Europa and cup games.
Another thing I complained is that Jesus was making things complicated when it reaches to scoring.

If you said Nketiah scored 4 goals in his first 9 league starts, note also that Jesus scored at least 4 goals in his first 9 league starts too for arsenal, so you can't use that as points.
Mind you, you didn't complain about Jesus style of play and goalscoring issues until post Tottenham when his goal issue was getting evident. That's when you brought up your composure ish.(you started criticizing him around Southampton game)

There's a reason I'm dragging you now about Nketiah (your referenced striker) and why he's still missing clean goals cos he's following all the advice you gave to have your Composure so he ought not to miss big chances frequently.

iamoyindamola:
You should know a maga when you see one

Valid talk tho

iamoyindamola:
Camavinga no suppose pass 60m na

How much did Madrid sell old man Casemiro again?🤔🤔

iamoyindamola:
This is only the third time this century that Liverpool have conceded five goals at Anfield

▪️January 2007: Liverpool 3-6 Arsenal
▪️October 2019: Liverpool 5-5 Arsenal
▪️February 2023: Liverpool 2-5 Real Madrid

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Our own na so so carabao cup we dey do am.

Why we no fit do am for league or UCL

mostob:
The bolded is exactly what you should have said since. Clinicality is why our strikers are not scoring, not because of stay in the box nonsense.

From what I understand with Spy, using the word "clinicality or clinical" is an insult to top players

Let's say for example, if Haaland starts missing big chances in his last 4 matches and you say something like "Haaland has not been clinical of late, he needs to step up", Spy would see you as someone insulting Haaland as one shouldn't use clinical and Haaland together.


That's why he would ask you
Is Nketiah more clinical than GJ?, then still turn around to ask you again,
Does GJ miss more chances compared to Nketiah?


And he'll still believe he asked you two different questions

Akinbahm:
Sp.y is very good at twisting words and you’d lost completely during the argument.

We were all here when he said Balogun would break to into the squad before last year... baba change subject matter.

Now Jesus is losing chances because he’s not inside box to bury those chances (composure)... Nketiah he used as a case study who’s more compose inside box is losing chances and baba is here twisting issues again.

What I could depict from their argument is Ego is strongly online.

Lol, Exactly, why I said Spy wan set me up.
It was he who brought up Nketiah as reference for composure. Now he's twisting it into an Nketiah Vs Jesus argument as if that was the basis of our argument