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Spy360:
I am not going back to those. The validity of a theory is its predictability.

I made a prediction based on my analysis (before Jesus became injured) that any striker that does not drop deep will score more goals given the same set up of players. Nketiah proved me right.

Funny enough Nketiah is not even as good as G J.

You deliberately dodge this one because it's so evident. As clear as a scientific theory.

Lol.... I just hope you're not trying to twist it sha

This was our basis

Me: Arsenal creates chances as a team and all our attackers are expected to score as long as chances falls on any of them. That our attackers are scoring doesn't stop Jesus from scoring.
(I proved it with stats and pics)


Spy: Jesus sacrifices himself for the team that's why our attackers are scoring and he doesn't. He involves himself in buildup play which others capitalises on to score whereby he doesn't.


According to our argument, one can deduce the issue here is not about whether Nketiah would outscore Jesus or not (cos I believe he would as long as he converts his chances).

The big Koko is that: is our other attackers still scoring even with the presence of Nketiah just as I said they would?

Yes or no ?

iamoyindamola:
Are you saying Valdez don't play from ball

Lol... Spy doesn't know Valdez is a ball playing GK

Spy360:
You funny

Valdez Kwa ball playing

Nwanne,

No allow any Barca fan see this bolded oo

Delete it sharp sharp

mostob:
I will rather play White or Kiwi in DM instead of Sambi.

As it is now, Turner may be the only change for the City game.

Na wa oo

Sha we might use full squad since we'll still have one week rest

Spy360:
LvG did not play from the back with his goalkeeper.

The manager who does that is Pep. From Ter Stegen in Barcelona, to Neuer in Bayer, to Ederson in City.

Which ball playing goalkeeper did LVG use?

E be like say APC don teach you how to use lie lie do analysis

Valdez played for Spy FC shebi?

Like I said, it wasn't successful here doesn't mean he didn't try it at first

Spy360:
Haba!!!
I have explained even before Jesus became injured why he doesn't get on the score sheet often.

I also correctly predicted that a striker like Nketiah if given the opportunity will score more goals.

I gave the reason as Jesus not staying in the box. I also brought up heat maps (which you denied in your post) to explain how Jesus gets over involved in buildup and hence doesn't have enough time and composure to be at the finishing end.

Note again, I correctly predicted that if Nketiah gets the chance he will score more goals because he will always be in the box.

You can't deny this.

Does that mean Nketiah is more productive than Jesus?

The only thing you brought up was that he loses composure. That's vague cos there's no way we can ascertain that he does loses composure when in front of goal due to him being involved in buildups.

As for heat maps, I remember you just beating around the bush.

From
*He doesn't stay in the box (I debunked that by showing you his heatmap in the box and he's the highest in EPL)

When you saw that, you jumped to

*He's always staying out of the box unlike other strikers (I debunked that by showing you other strikers and showing you their heatmaps are outside the box than inside only that Jesus was just more of a hardworker than them)

Then you jumped to

* Jesus heatmaps Infront of the box is more concentrated than inside the box compared to other strikers (This one just weak me. I mean, are we a cross and nod team or interplay team?,)


Now you're bringing another vague observation that Martinelli Is off form because of Jesus

mostob:
Elneny got injured in training (his knee specifically) and may be out for the rest of the season.
Arsenal has rejected a bid from Monaco to sign Sambi on loan probably due to the injury.

Rammy revealed he injured his knuckle (right hand) during the world cup and has been playing with his middle and ring fingers taped together.

I just hope Arteta won't bank on Sambi to back Partey up in case Elneny is out for the rest of the season.

Omo..... This one na bad news ooo

I just hope they act fast cos we'll be walking on thin ice if na Sambi we wan hope for as Partey deputy

mostob:
Emery sef...

You don see am na.

Even klopp wey first Pep come been dey start passing from back but it wasn't frequent until he bought Allison.

The only thing was that Guardiola just made it a must!!

Spy360:
Who introduced the pattern @ bolded?

in EPL?
Was van gaal a joke to you?
He just wasn't successful.

All those filosofi filosofi na wetin?

Even bielsa did such during his Marseille days

Spy360:
Analysis begins first by observation. You can only observe changes or patterns. Replacing Tomi for White was a change and it will affect the end result until there is adaptation. Which was what happened.

Mind you Odegaard too use to make runs into the box to score when GJ was available. Now his goals are from outside the box. That's adaptation. Nketiah is a different player fr Jesus, he will always enter the box to score unlike Jesus, so those services Jesus usually provides for others will definitely be lacking.

The good thing is that the team has adapted well. Martinelli will adapt because he is a good player but his goal returns is what we are noticing. Not just him but other players too. The only player that is scoring frequently now is Nketiah. Other are creating for him and he is scoring. The opposite happens when Jesus plays.

The only difference Nketiah is scoring more than others is because he's converting his chances(as he obviously gets more chances than our other attackers— just like Jesus)

I once explained here (with stats) how Jesus ought to be among the highest goalscorer in the league because of the high quality of chances he gets. He always underperforms his xG and has the highest big chances in the league before his injury but since he doesn't convert them, most people erroneously thought he doesn't receive them.

Now Nketiah converts more than him and you now think it's limiting others. Mind you Martinelli and Saka both scored against Westham and Brighton. While Odegaard scored in both Tottenham and Brighton too. Now Saka have scored against Man u again (all post world cup)

What does it means? It simply means Nketiah scoring doesn't stop others from scoring. Same thing I was always saying then that others scoring doesn't stop Jesus from scoring but obviously, he wasn't converting his chances like Nketiah. (I remember spamming here with pictures of almost all his big chances missed)

There's a reason you can't prove all your claims with stats or analytical explanations.

Spy360:
They mustn't play exactly the same way but the basic principles must be there. Like I said any team that plays from the back with their goalkeeper drew their inspiration from Pep. Anyone you draw inspiration from is your tutor. It's that simple. If I become a coach tomorrow and plays Pep's tactics I automatically become his student. That's my point. When you look at the managers mentioned, they all play similar tactics, hence the reference to Pep. Apart from that you need to look at videos of their dressing room talks, also very similar how they shout and motivate their players.

Lol... In that case then Pep is the Tutor to every coach in the league. Including klopp too

Or haven't you noticed almost all EPL teams now pass from the back?

ObaIgwe1:
Exactly. And everyone will still get chances to play if you are good.

Reason I believe there should be no fear in getting another equally good "Partey" or a better one. Partey doesn't need to play all 90mins and all the matches if we have another good Partey. Just the way Nketiah was still getting minutes when Jesus was fit. We should have a bench that is equally as good as the 11 on the field, it will brings out the best in the players too.

Martinelli will not need to wait for Jesus to resume before improving seeing what Trossard gave the few mins he was on. Arteta doesn't need long sermon to White to come out of whatever got him distracted during the last match. The message will be simple: "improve quickly or your minutes on the bench will increase".

Yes we also need another Saka. Saka needs time off too, and we don't need to keep him on the bench even when he is having quarterly or bi yearly or annual period, not totally benching him, just reduce his time on the pitch, till he regains himself.

The point is, the best fit and in-form 11 should spend more time during the runs of a particular game, the team winning should come first, follow by player management.

I like our new direction.

By the way, in case some are still in doubt, our last 4 league games has come against the teams occupying 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th in the table with 3 wins 1 draw... This is indeed a new Arsenal.

To get kind of Partey quality or thereabout is kinda hard cos that position of quality Is really complex.

But then, the bolded.... Is that really possible. Is it possible to have a successful team FIRST, then player management after? Will it last long term?? Hmmmm...

And your last paragraph... It's just now I'm noticing it. I mean we just dropped 2 points playing the 3rd-5th best teams in the league and we won all convincingly bar Newcastle where we did everything right apart from goal. This team is really doing excellently great Tbh

Time to play the 2nd best team... But this time In Fa cup

Spy360:
By analytics it is simple to decipher unless you want to argue.

I asked, is it a coincidence that Martinelli's drop in form happened same time as GJ injury?

There was a little change in pattern when GJ joined the team because of his style of dropping deep. If that is no longer the case due to his absence how is it impossible that it has not affected the performance of some of the players?

Remember when I said GJ sacrifices his drive for goals for other players, and you said it's a lie. Now let me ask you, how many times has Xhaka scored since GJ's injury?

How is it that we all accepted that GJ brought the best out of the other players and then say his absence does not affect their overall style of play. Or am I too far ahead in analysing?

Of course it's a coincidence. I remember beginning of this season when Ben White started playing right back and the right wing wasn't effective compared to the left. Most of our postulations here was that Saka and Odegaard understand Tomi and that Ben White Is limiting them. While for the left wing, Martinelli have Zinchenko and Xhaka who have close understanding with each other.

Now the right side is excelling and all postulations have gone quiet

If Zinchenko had gone to injury instead of Jesus and Martinelli still had this poor form, you'll still say that it's Zinchenko absence that's affecting him.

I wonder how it's Jesus that's making Martinelli to spark. At least prove it, don't just bring Vague explanations that Jesus absence is the cause— whether with stats, analytical explanations or sort, like say Martinelli Is above losing form.

And Moreover, there's nothing wrong with Xhaka as he's still playing his game that he's always playing. Thank goodness Odegaard is still scoring and playing well If not he would have been another victim of Jesus absence postulated by yours truly... Spy!!

Spy360:
Arteta is a product of both Wenger and Pep. Arteta already got his badges before joining Pep at City. Arsenal actually approached him but he declined saying he wasn't ready. There are things he learnt from Wenger as well. But obviously we know based on his style he is drifting more towards Pep.

Let me shock you a little more. You do not have to play or work under somebody to be his student. If you adopt a coach's principles that you are his prodigy. Pep himself is reminiscent of Johan Cruyff but never played to coached under him.

Many managers today claim to follow the principles of Marcelo Bielsa, Ralf Rangnik, Arigo Sacchi etc without playing or coaching under them. Someone like ETH adopts the Dutch tactics of Ajax developed by Rinus Michels, same of which Cruff learnt because he played there. That's life and that's football.

While I get your point but I want to ask.... Have you watched Barca play? Or is it just Xavi and Barca being first that's making you draw this conclusion.

Is there anything thing that's reminiscent of Xavi Barca play from last season to presently compared to Pep's play? I don't see close similarities Tbh

I see you talk about Ten Haag and Dutch tactics. No worry, when him top table anytime next season we'll start hearing how he's a pep student too

Even Henry for turn Pep student too if he did well with Monaco. Like I said, all these things na cruise

Spy360:
So an Assistant manager is an apprentice?

You once asked me if I proof read before clicking submit.

Please check the meaning of those two before you mess yourself up like Tinubu bulubu balaba

Lol, it's simple.
Who was an assistant to Pep amongst those three and who was Pep players?

If you say Pep taught Xavi then why are you not saying Wenger or Moyes taught Arteta?

Like I said, the writer just wan catch cruise and I get it.

Spy360:
We all know that Martinelli this season is a lot better than last season. He even made the WC squad. If you have watched him you will agree that he is mainly a goalscorer than a chance creator unlike Saka that does both with ease.

Don't worry, GJ will return and we will prove it.

Lol... Almost everybody improved this season, not just Martinelli. Almost everyone!!!

Did you think it's because of scoring goals guys are presently concerned about Martinelli? For your info, guys still complained about him even when he scored against Westham and Brighton

Man can't even beat his defender as he's normally doing earlier this season and most of his decision is wrong and your solution is that it's because of Jesus' absence?

And it seems to me you're not talking about Martinelli. How could you say he's not a chance creator bikonu.

Suddenly, Martinelli is no longer a winger again. Lol.

Continuu!!!

iamoyindamola:
He's not playing for free
This same players we endured for years ended up betraying us in wengay days

Wenger overdid his and that's why it affected us

My point is not even about benching Saka or Martinelli at all but benching them after a little poor run of form when it's normal for a player (and youngsters) to lose form.

Arteta is not like Wenger. If your bad form prolongs too much, he'll bench you just as he did Lacazette for Nketiah.

BOFREJO:
Half bread is better than none is better sha, I get.
The reason they accept offers that look good and hop on another that's better.😊😊😊😊😊😊

Lol... Exactly

BOFREJO:
That's it "loyalty"
They act as if they don't have the mind of their own.

They do have a mind of their own.
The thing is that all players wants that best option but if a good option comes, they'll surely accept it.

But the Koko is that if in the process of accepting the good option, a better option now surface and show concrete interest, what do you think they'll do?

Lol...

BlueRayDick:
Mikel already been paraded in a man utd shirt before finally joining Chelsea . That’s the most bizarre transfer saga I ever got interested in after Osaze’s own

Mikel transfer saga was Goated. Did Fergie sign any African player after that? I don't think so and if true, I believe it's because of Mikel trauma

Osaze himself just go fall him hand

BOFREJO:
Just like how Chelsea hijacked Mudryk deal from Arsenal.

Tottenham don hicjacked Danjuma deal from Everton.

The funniest part of this is that Danjuma has done Everton medical test before being hijacked.

All this players sef..........

Hijacking of deals no be new thing sha. Almost all players no loyal

iamoyindamola:
Yes I still stand by it
If you are not performing chop bench and let others take advantage, there's no harm in that

Na so...
Person go chop bench because him no shine for 2-3 matches.

All the matches he shone for over 3 months go just evaporate laidat because of 2-3 matches underperformances? And you think the said player will want to give his all next time?


Keep on standing by it Sir!!

BlueRayDick:
Kuku call iamoyin.damola name, stop going through the corners 🏃🏃🏃

Lol, he wasn't the only person to say that then na

I remember correctly begining of this season when Saka wasn't really explosive even when we're playing beautifully. Guys here were blaming Saka and some was even suggesting he should be benched. I remembered saying that Saka will come good as he's good now that, that's how he started slowly last season before he exploded. Now we're all enjoying the benefits as Saka have finally found his game again. Same thing with Odegaard

Now, it's Martinelli's turn of being off form and we're out again with "he should be benched for Trossard"?

Sometimes we forget that this guys are young boys and that they can have some off form for days (even ranging to weeks) which is perculiar to young players. It's up to the coach to work back on them and help them regain their confidence while playing them and not just benching them. Only when it's been prolonged can one think of even benching them

Martinelli is young. He's one of the people that made arsenal in this position they are now. He's just going through a phase as every youngster does (sometimes making wrong decisions and all as he's doing presently). It's up to the coach to ensure he doesn't remain in that phase not just giving up on him because we have Trossard. This is human beings we're dealing with here not FIFA or PS4 game that we'll just bench a player and put another one because of some off form.

Abeg o, Make we remember say na Martinelli we dey talk about here. This is Someone that is very very talented and we all know he got it.

Biko oo🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Spy360:
It's not a coincidence that his loss of form happened after Jesus's injury.

Many of us are making the mistake of comparing Martinelli with Saka or even with Trossard as some of us have already started doing.

Martinelli is not your typical winger-chance creator. He is purely a goal scorer. He is similar to Aubameyang playing on the LW. Just as Auba needed a Lacazette to create space and chances for him, Martinelli needs GJ. And boy what a friend he has in Jesus.

Nketiah is not going to do that for anyone. He is a poacher himself and always has eyes for goals. Martinelli will struggle to play with Nketiah, while Nketiah will love to play with Trossard and Saka besides him and with Xhaka and Odegaard behind him.

I believe Martinelli's future is in the middle or in a front two.

You don start with this your postulations and theories again 😒

The way you're saying it, someone will think Martinelli just exploded this season. Was Jesus here last season when Martinelli played beautifully?
Was Jesus here previous seasons when guys were hoping on Martinelli to come back from injury since he's one of our best wingers?

Suddenly "Jesus of this season" Is the one making Martinelli to shine. Suddenly Martinelli is just like Auba

Suddenly, Nketiah will love to play with Trossard and not Martinelli. Same Martinelli that shone with Nketiah at the back end of last season.

Please, with all due respect, did you actually proof read what you wrote before pressing submit??

BlueRayDick:
The thing is Spy knows what I’m talking about , but he just wan engage me in all those una two long arguments wey dey last 2 weeks

But this thing is simple.

Only Arteta was an apprentice (assistant) to Pep amongst the three. It was under Pep he had the opportunity to learn player management, tactical analysis, one on one with players and all that. That's something Kompany and Xavi didn't experience. Moreover, Kompany and Xavi played under different coaches before and after Pep. Why then is it Pep that they're lumping all of them to?
Why not Del Bosque for Xavi?
Why not Wenger for Arteta?


I sha get the fact that the person who wrote that thing just wan catch cruise tho

ChristineC:
we are saying the same thing. you are 5 clear, and have to play your direct rival twice.
if City best you twice to go one point ahead in the race, then you've bottled your advantage because you'd most likely not recover from that.

Cool, it means I would lost my advantage but that doesn't mean I bottled it.

5 points advantage at this stage of the season is too slippery to term anything bottling. If it was 4-5 matches to go, I would have agreed with you

Saying arsenal should not bottle it at this stage Is raising the bar/standard too high for arsenal or any team for that matter.

Ellexy:
Shaa make una no bottle the league.

🙄

Wahalaeux

Ellexy:
Jodera you've been disturbing us here since. No wahala flex, we go dey observe.

Lol... Something wey I don stop since ystdy

Na just civil discussion I dey do now na

Katcall:
did you experience difficulty logging into nairaland sunday n yesterday?

Yuppp... Especially on Sunday. Reason why I wasn't able to really post that Sunday

BlueRayDick:
I like this new Arsenal! We’ve learnt to count our losses and move on to other players that will bring immediate results . We’ve moved past the era when We will watch players like Bendtner , Aaron Ramsey, etc struggle for most of the season and when they have one or two bright moments we just use that to console ourselves till they go back to their normal selves .

I like the competitiveness Arteta’s time at Arsenal has brought us . Back in the days we will still be trusting the process of players like Pepe, Pablo Mari of turning out good ; nowadays nobody’s got time for that.

Yeah, I think that's arsenal and the board's plan— to buy players who can actually compete with the first 11 and not just being 2nd choice. Anyone who isn't up to standard will be shipped off.

That's the competitiveness that's making us great and I'm really glad we're getting all these kinda players young and without actually breaking the banks