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Spy360:
What your eyes can see is subjective.

Tell us why GJ suddenly became unclinical despite maintaining his workrate and performance levels.

I won't answer this question unless you answer mine that I've first asked you since ystdy. I've been answering your questions even when you've been skipping mine since ystdy and today

1... Is Jesus goal drought due to not seeing big chances like Lacazette in the box or due to being clinical

2... Show me the EPL strikers heatmap let's compare to Jesus (hint: use the speed of light as 9.812 in which you brought Halaand and Jesus heatmap )

Spy360:
If you can't see the faint color difference then I can't help. At this point it is subjective.

What's funny is that you have not even explained why GJ has not been clinical which is what I have been trying to do and most people here agree to it.

But fact is if Jesus does not change, he will suffer plenty goal drought.

Nothing is subjective here. Anyone who compares those two heatmaps knows that Jesus is more active in the box than Nketiah has been but you must still turn Amala.


One thing I noticed about this G Jesus issue is that when he was doing all those his workrate this season and everyone was happy, I knew once a bad patch comes you guys will immediately start equating him to Laca (already preconceived notion) such as: he doesn't stay in the box, he's never getting at the end of chances as a striker, he's just working for only Martinelli and Saka etc, reason why I wanted to debunk it as soon as possible.

You guys don't want to even reason that he might be going through a purple patch— something which is normal for strikers— and once he gets his clinicality right, he'll come good just the way he was beginning of this season and preseason.

I knew it'll come to this but I never knew it'll be so soon

Spy360:
You've not understood the point. He does get into the box but only after when he has exerted himself in the build up. By doing so he usually does not maintain enough composure to score with the right mix of precision and power.

But if he can reduce his involvement in he build up, allow others to create for him, then he can muster enough time and composure to pick his goal.

So you've agreed he now gets into the box after unfairly criticizing him that he doesn't get into the "Fvcking box" shey?

All these things you're saying, was it not what I was saying since ystdy that he just needs to be clinical since he sees the chance but you just dey para say Xhaka, Martinelli and Saka dey take him spot and his shine in the 18yard box. You even bring Nketiah join sef. Thank goodness for heatmap.

I still dey wait for the other strikers aside Haaland wey most of their opposition touches are in the 18yard box compared to G Jesus. I just hope you provide them for me

PrinceofAgoAre:
Haaaa! Una go hear am. Shebi us liverpool fans dey use water step down our own for nw even c'mon n'forest dey use us shine.. Una beat us 3-2 dey happy anyhow.. Una own go soon come. If una no relegate mke i hear wetin cause am.. Shebi na ordinary 50m kroenke wan release for arteta come jan... E go soon sup 4 una...

All these bad belle sef. Una get injury, how e take concern us na.

Instead of make Una dey pray make Una injured players come back, Una dey pray make opponents get injury and you think say e go work.

Kolewerk!!

Mostob, this is the official kit we'll be wearing tomorrow


This looks much better cos I couldn't stand that colour riot

Ballzproblemm:
if not for me this page will not reach like this ,,i one of the top contributor in this thread,in an average day I post more than 15 times plus the mentions and side remarks from my haters ,so yeah ,I single handedly brought us here ,great job.

Lol... You be top cruise jawe

germaphobe:
but on a serious note, we no get alternative for that right wing. my everyday prayer for arsenal na God abeg no let saka get injury, abi na viera go de play 7 for us. i wanted to complain about letting pepe go when we have none other to cover for him, but when ever i watch or read about him play for nice, i kuku close my mouth.

The way wey I dey pray everyday make Partey, Saka and Martinelli no go injury ehh. Those 3 have no viable substitutes for now. ESR is hoping to come January (or late December) while no standard substitute for both Saka and Partey.

I just dey pray make injury no look our side this season esp to those 3

Spy360:
Good. There are red markers showing areas of higher concentration. Now if you look clearly you will notice that the red markers are more inside the box evident that he spends more time there than outside it.

The only other place where we have little red markers are when he is defending.

Boss, there is no red marker biko. That is thick yellow marker which just means average touches concentration(He doesn't even have dark brown sef which is the closest to the highest concentration(red marker)). It's surprising your Nketiah doesn't have red marker in the box yet you used him to brag while G Jesus whom you claim doesn't have touches in the box have red marker full everywhere.

This is G.Jesus heat map while the 2nd is Nketiah heatmap again(for Europa since that's where he completes 90min for fair comparison).
Nketiah heatmap even show he spends more time in the midfield and left wings with more ball touches compared to the opposition box yet na Gabriel Jesus Una dey crucify

Between the two we can see who spends more time in the box more

NB: I'm still waiting for your other pl strikers' heatmap. Let's compare their heatmap in the opposition box to that of Gabriel Jesus

mostob:
Our kit for tomorrow's match.
Which Kain ridiculous combination is this?

What happened to the 3rd kit?
Na wa o

Lol, even the 3rd kit is almost similar to PSV home team jersey

This colour riot is just bad sha

I just hope we make use of our 2nd 11 and scrape out a least a draw. One thing with winning is that once one is winning, the confidence is very very high but it just takes a couple of losses or draw to make doubts creep in. Nottingham forest will be in good spirit after their win against Liverpool and any dropped points by us will certainly make doubts creep in within the squad.

We need to win to get our confidence and mojo back. I just hope the players are revved up. Also, if the 2nd team scrap a draw tomorrow, then we can actually get our players ready for Chelsea game next weekend.

COYG!!!!

germaphobe:
una arguement dey always sweet and same time irritates me. but make i sha dey observe. but i can bet my left balls that GJ9 will score on sunday, and dis debate will get more loud for my satisfaction. personally i don't care if saliba or even ramsdale scores as long as we play well and win. after all in the whole team who get more shots in opposition box pass?, who gets more goal scoring chances in the opposition box pass?. if laca got more in opposition box with the kind chances oga gabi dey get he for score more goals than he did last season.

Thank you bro. This has always been my point.
Someone get more shots and more passes received and more chances to score in the opposition box yet he's accused of not being present in the box.

Anyways, I just hope G Jesus starts scoring regularly again with the chances he gets. That's just the Koko sha

timbros:


You prefer to meet any of them earlier and crash out?

Must we meet them??
I fit manage Juventus but you see that other two clubs? Noo ooo

timbros:
I sha want Man Utd, Arsenal, Juventus and Barcelona to make semis...

Finally Juventus go win am

Lol...
I reject it oo.

All my enemies in sf, I reject

potland:
welcome spread the mat welcome. Jod.era and arsenal come and welcome them. Man u fans come and welcome them. Europa league says welcome and get knocked out in the preliminary round

We've gotten ready another Frankfurt in Union Berlin to deal with them this time

Lush100:
Jode.ra is right.
Jesus is spending too much time in the AM position and left wing and peripheral places which is affecting his composure to score (problem laca had compounded by aging) and it's partly caused by the set-up (becos only the right side is making inroads with tomiyasu on the left).
Odegard is shying away from the AM spot because it involves lot of intelligent work and tackles too. So he comes out while saka makes more inroad.
Transit xhaka has taken advantage of odegard absence there by arriving there to finish chances.
Jesus should stay in the box (like against Brentford) and let odegard and xhaka handle the situation outside the box.
Arteta should allow Teneiry to play so that Martinelli can have space to run into the box via diversion same way white does for saka.
Odegard should learn to shot so that Jesus who is in the box can also pounce should there be a rebound.
Tomiyasu should only start when the opposition is stronger (more attacking than us ).
Eg liverpool, man city, newcastle and maybe manu or any other team that show it and he should play at right back.
Tienery can be instructed to play deep and only run when clear during these kind of matches.
I expect second string team for the europa, we only need a draw

Lol.. abeg oo.

This is the first time I'm hearing players losing composure because of missed chances just because he presses and run around.

I've never read it when Sanchez was here neither I've I heard about it during Martinelli after all both of them players exactly like Jesus.

But it's okay sha

sod09:
What I notice here is if you complain about a player it's an agenda
No one said Jesus is a bad player we just want him to stay in his lane most of the time
The same stats that was use to debunk mustafi is what they want to use to praise Jesus
People sha

Lol... I never opined that you said Jesus was a bad player na.

What I'm debunking is you guys saying that he doesn't stay in the box when in actual fact he does.

Spy360:
Bring the heat map that shows areas of higher concentration. Usually depicted using red colour markings

This is his Europa League heatmap(At least he features more 90min here). The previous one was his pl heatmap.

If there's no red concentration then it means he doesn't have red concentration then.

So I'm waiting for your other strikers' heatmap for this season

daveP:
GJ sometimes overdo. The cutting ish has denied him 5 goalscoring chances alone this season. Just shoot and bury it. No! He go cut again.



Haaland and Jesus Drought na fatigue excuse we dey hear for both.


Sincerely we have too many romance with the edge of the box to not be getting as many goals as City. Overdo just dey enter am and it's annoying. Na why i love Xhaka. Once it comes to him, he's fired it.

What you said here is also very very valid.

I know how many times I've seen Jesus take that extra touch to beat a man when the easier alternative was just to place it.

My hope is that I just pray that our attacking coaches are working on him the way they worked on Saka and Martinelli

Spy360:
Bring the map for Nketiah let's check something

This is Nketiah's premier League heat map for 22/23 season

I can see how he's concentrated in the box

NB: I'll still be waiting for the other teams' strikers I told you let's compare with

Spy360:
Here's the heat maps for both Jesus and Haaland respectively. See who is scoring most goals

Aside Haaland (who's obviously a beast).
Can you show me the heat map of any other striker in the EPL?
Mitrovic, Toney, Auba/Havertz/, Rashford, Kane/Son... Two of any of these players let's compare their heatmap with Jesus

I thought we should even be happy that we have different goalscorers and that if Jesus can just improve on his finishing (the only thing I feel is missing recently from his game since the chances are being created for him on a steady), we'll become an even more unpredictable and difficult team to handle. I mean, isn't that a hallmark of a top and dominant team, where goals can come from anywhere and any angle?

But then, I see what we want is the one only where our striker will be scoring goals only. Let us be a one-man team I guess.

It's alright!!

sod09:
No be everything be argument
Spy is right on this one, like the commentator said on Sunday xhaka and odegaard are our real attackers other like saka Jesus and martinelli are inverted
Jesus spend most times with martinelli exchanging passes and hugging the touchline
Some many times white or our fullbacks will have the ball but no one in the 18, xhaka is the one making most runs that's why he's scoring recently because he's occupying Jesus's position

Lol... Because Xhaka have scored in back 2 back games now, it now means he's occupying Jesus position?

Anytime we attack, 98 percent of the times, Jesus is always in the box. Just because we push more bodies inside the 18yard box (in Jesus, Xhaka, Odegaard, Martinelli and Saka) and anyone can score from there doesn't mean Jesus isn't in the box.

I mean

Jesus have the most shots in the team both per game and in total
Have the big chance missed
Have the most passes received in the box

But somehow, you guys believes he's always absent in the box because of a "preconceived notion" that he's always building up play.

Issorait

Spy360:
They are 'like' in terms of playing patterns. Though he is a better player. However Nketiah will bench him if he continues.

Jesus will not change in style and as long as he's not stopping in putting in the effort to get into the box and get at the end of chances... Then Nketiah will never bench him

Spy360:
You played the way you are talking that's why I didn't watch you on TV.

Martinelli and Saka are wingers and even if they don't score for 5games no one will bother. We are worried about GJ because he is a striker. A striker that has equal amount of touches all accross the front line- and that's for the whole season o, not just a match. His lack of goals is that he is Jack of all trades. If he doesn't reduce his involvement in deep areas, he will continue to miss chances as he will struggle to maintain goal scoring composure.

I was a goal scorer when I played, and it's been the secret. Ask any good goal scorer they will tell you.

I want to ask you a question.

Is his lack of goals caused by him not getting at the end of chances(i.e not receiving goalscoring chances) or because he's not converting them?

Which one?

Spy360:
Na so we argue Lacazette Vs Nketiah here until Arteta dropped him at the slightest opportunity. Remember you said Lacazette was bringing more to the attack, dropping deep and all those sh*t. I said if he keeps on doing that he will fail to score and will be dropped. It happened as I said and you bent the knee.

GJ is doing exactly what Lacazette was doing. If after a few more games and he doesn't score- meaning the team scores less goals, Nketiah will bench him. Nketiah is a fox in the box, he does not make that mistake of not being seen there.

Lol... Should we bet on this one again?

It's ridiculous to even think that GJ is doing exactly what Laca was doing. I for one never defended Laca for not getting into the box cos I know he doesn't get to the box.

How you'll see GJ and Laca and you say GJ is playing exactly like Laca is highly ridiculous

Spy360:
Take your time, watch some of those misses, watch where he is coming from. Usually he is making a run from deep. That's what midfielders do not a striker. He needs to position himself in the box. If he keeps playing too deep all the time, he will end up like Lacazette and Nketiah will bench him.

Lol, I knew you were getting here sha.
I just know.

And no, most of his chances are not from deep. I understand. You always love an Auba and Giroud-type of striker. Anything aside that is not perfect striker to you

Spy360:
Don't you know that for a striker to score someone has to be provider or creator?

If Jesus becomes the creator then it means that others will benefit in his stead.

For example, if GJ drops into the AM position it gives Xhaka the freedom to make a run and take up goal scoring positions. While this can be tactically advantageous, it shouldn't happen all the time because he deprives GJ the opportunity to take up such positions himself. Take your time and watch how Haaland plays. He allows others do the suffering while he focuses on positioning himself for goals.

If GJ after dropping deep and creates an opportunity, then himself tries to make a run even if he gets the ball, he will not have the best composure to finish with the right power and accuracy.

I keep repeating myself. If you understand but you not believe it's different from when you don't understand. Because I don't know the area you fall.

Lol... The thing is that when you've made up your mind on something, even if the evidence Is glaring to your face, you no go still gree.

You make it seem like he's the only one creating and doing buildups, but In reality he isn't. Martinelli is playing like him, yet he converts his chances. In fact, the only big chance I've seen Martinelli miss this season was against crystal palace.

Xhaka, Martinelli and Saka all do build-ups but they never miss big chances the way Jesus do this season. I dunno how you're all piling it on the other works Jesus is doing. If he's even seeing these chances deep in 2nd half of the game, I would have understood. But first half? Come on na! We all played ball

Spy360:
To be clinical means to shoot at goal with the right combination of accuracy and power. To that this one has to have the right composure and position. For a player that is running up and down and dropping too deep, by the time he gets the ball he lacks the right composure.

You need to see most of GJ misses especially on Sunday. There are some that he only needed to either wait for a second or took more than a second to strike. That's composure and you lose that when you're trying as a striker to get involved in chance creation all the time.

His misses on Sunday is not the only one he's missed. On some occasions he's missed in the first half even when game is 20min(Leeds big chance missed a recent example)

We're talking as if this isn't Jesus style of play and he's forced to do all these buildup. No, fyi, that's his style of play and that's the kind of striker Arteta Is looking for. Telling him to stop doing all those things and wait in the box is exactly the same thing that made him ran away from Man city. Same thing that he claimed he wasn't enjoying his ball at Man city

Look at most of his big misses(from Leicester to Bournemouth to Brentford to Leeds to Southampton), you'll find out he doesn't places it at the far corner of the post instead it's always at the central of the keeper. This is not due to tiredness (cos most misses are even in the first half) but this is just him lacking that finishing touch and finesse someone like Martinelli have. Martinelli works as much as he does too, why doesn't composure affect him too?

I just hope our attacking coach will look into finishing/shooting and start working on it cos we need him to start scoring like the others


Ps: You'll need to apologize to me for saying Gabriel Jesus doesn't "Fvcking" stay in the box

mostob:
Though it was reported that the club is expected to respond.
It's shocking.

Hmmm... Na wa ooo

Na small small laidis, we go start to hear say Gabriel Jesus dey play like Lacazette when in
reality he's doing way more than Lacazette did for us. We won't actually touch on the main issue(which is his clinicality) instead, we would now want to blame his goal drought on things that he brings to the team that makes the team better like say it's not something good (thereby encouraging him to stop them)

Imagine putting his goal drought on Saka, Xhaka and Martinelli scoring when in reality, he takes more shots, gets more big chances and receives more passes in the opposition box than the trio

Debunking the myth and fallacy that Jesus doesn't "fvcckn'" stay in the box. This article is as recent as October 5th


Spy360

mostob:
That's it bro. Imagine Jesus had fell in that first half and started rolling on the ground holding his neck or whatever and the players running towards him. The ref sef will think twice.

I tell you.
That's What I felt propelled Taylor to give red card against Royale and our penalty against Liverpool on Jesus.