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daveP:
He did same mistake vs Liverpool. Underrating their strengths and focusing fully on your own strengths. Who does that?
Man U were ready for Jesus. They put two on my guy. They put two on Nelli too. Baba needs to improve on tackling and frustrating the strength of his opponents o. We really need it. It gives boost to even a tired player. And it demoralizes your opponent. Hopefully, we see that.

Lol... That's typical Wenger na. Ystdy game just flashed back Wenger era were will dominate and create chances but would want to work the ball to the net.

We need sometimes to work on opponent's psyche especially the top teams. Arteta needs to work on that

daveP:
Another of some silly decision making from Arteta. Well i believe both are fit. It's not by force for Saliba and white to be both in defense always. Then the preference is showing it's more than tactics. It has never helped Saka. It has never made white be in an assist table. It has never made Odegaard stay forward.


Compared to when its all Tomiyasu.



Then you can't tell me you see White and Yasu as a manager and think White is better when playing some opponents. Yasu is even faster. By far. I want to see him get more games in his natural position. Not White doing that.


As for Rams, he could do better. If we want him to be better, then this reflex thing can't always be the excuse.

Ystdy we underutilized Saka strong performance because White couldn't overlap or underlap Saka and giving him options, something Tomi does with ease. It's just sad that this is something we'll swallow and watch throughout this season except injury to White forces the situation.

As for Ramsdale, I agree with you, he needs to improve on that

So I read that ESR is injured again.

Na wa ooo

Lush100:
Pls let's leave mustafi

Gabu usually scores goals for us from set pieces.
Gabu scored 3 goals last season (highest goal scorer by a CB).
It was the change in tactics that lead to our loss.
Odegard and Co should learn to shoot more.
We lost but one thing.

Both central referee and VAR that officiated the game are from greater Manchester so there is definitely bias toward their team.
The first goal scored by Martinelli that was cancelled should have stood.

On to the next

Gabriel scored 5 sha not 3

Please, Arteta should work on these guys shooting skills, if na to try employ Henry as striker's coach they should biko. All these chances we're missing by our attackers no gel. This is reminiscent of Wenger days were we'll play and play and probably want to pass ball into the net. Beautiful play and lose. I don't want to relieve that nonsense again please. EPL is getting tougher.

eph12:
Surprisingly, Dalot was able to handle Martinelli better after the break. But Malacia couldn't and that wasn't utilized at all

I tell you. Dalot handled Martinelli well in the 2nd half and I was thinking it'll be the other way round as I imagined Malacia been a better defender than him. But the way Saka was just passing him and creating chaos, na just the help of Martinez reduce the damage

eph12:
I think Arteta and the team underrated Manchester United. Normally you should put players on two main people, Eriksen and Bruno. That wasn't done. Just make sure you have your eyes on where they are at all times. That wasn't done

This is another angle and I really agree with you on this 100%.

They were left to free and they were the most dangerous

Shegzdave:
I was shocked seeing the comparison
No be juju be that

DanieleLorenzo:
Na you be their ambassador wey we know.

The shalaye master.

Na you sabi

Spy360:
Let me explain to you why White is preferred.

In the tactics, the fullbacks become inverted during attacking phase. This allows one of the CMs (Xhaka) to push forward into the no 8position on the opposite flank to add more bodies, create an overload and also add to the press when the ball is lost. Zinchenko does this also on the other side. White is better at this than Tomiyasu.

they only become inverted if the other fullback attacks. Meaning if Zinchenko attacks, White will become inverted and otherwise. Both don't become inverted at the same time.

Aside that, there's an understanding between Zinchenko, Xhaka and Martinelli but it's lacking with Odegaard, Saka and White. In fact, there's less exchanges between White and Saka. I know how many exchanges Tomi made when he came on for White against Aston Villa.

I would never believe White plays that role more than Tomi until I sees it. Everyone knows Arteta loves White and na one of the few reasons he's benching Tomi.

Shegzdave:
Comparing Mustafi and Gabriel is a sin Mustafi of all people?? Haba...

Lol, the way dem dey call Mustafi , person go think say na Koscienly him be

Spy360:
As funny and as biase you can get you still blamed him for the third goal even when he has been subbed.

Agenda is matters arising.

Point me where I accused Sambi for the 3rd goal. I specifically talked about the first and second goal mostly while I solely blamed Arteta for his stupidity of his Panick sub for the 3rd goal cos it disrupted the structure and it was as if there was no plan.

Where you see me blame Sambi for the 3rd goal, bring am make I see

daveP:
Distribution was perfect
But goalkeeping mistake was not something Emi Martinez would do. Tbh. They will score Martinez but that Antony goal would not have happened. I think all shots on goal went in, save three.


AON shows Arteta loves White. I think it's becoming detrimental, sincerely. Saliba won't be here if Recruitment team didn't do their part. Guy doesn't show he wanted him atall. But we meuve.


Bottomline

Rams may need to stop engaging the fans as much he currently does. I think it riles him up to a standard that doesn't help his confidence. Just saying.

That Tomi benching for White is now some how. Sometimes White will play fine game, sometimes he'll just become passive but each time Tomi is introduced you'll see the a vast difference. Worst part is that it's not as if Tomi is bad defensively. And sometimes we wonder why Saka haven't reach the great height of last season.

That goal, I won't blame Rams sha. It was reflex and split second decision. All these things is easier said than done looking at it "after" it have happened.

Ellexy:
Fair enough, seeing as you don't speak for Arsenal fans, who should I ask please?

Lol, I no sure say arsenal get any representatives on nairaland na.

If you get any direct sub to dash any arsenal fan, just fire the sub or ask am but just know say his thoughts doesn't represent the general thoughts of every arsenal fan

iamoyindamola:
Yes na why do you think one of us was saying he's interested in his contract update

Well, to me Saka and Martinelli was better First Half with Martinelli the better of the two.
2nd half Saka was clearly better. Martinelli decision making was just wrong most times in that 2nd half

Lol, dem say na Mustafi.

Maguire forerunner. The person who foretold the coming of Maguire with his play naim we wan use compare with Gabriel?

This one off me sha

iamoyindamola:
He is playing nonsense abeg
Majority of us complained about it yesterday
Apart from the goal it was rubbish
When will he get the rest?
Until he gets injured

Take away Saka goal, you mean Martinelli was better than him ystdy?

Ellexy:
Jod.era my man please someone asked this question and I'll like to get an answer from you, when was the last time in history Arsenal lost and it wasn't the referee's fault according to Arsenal fans?

I said in my thread that I don't have issue with Martinelli goal ruled out because on replay, Odegaard didn't touch the ball. Aside the Nketiah supposed penalty during the dying minutes which Var didn't check(and I'm not too aggrieved cos the game was almost done by then), I feel the ref have a fair game.

So in a nutshell, I think I'm the wrongest person to ask this question

iamoyindamola:
Roland once said rashford was mismanaged which is true, up till now he's not at his best because of excessive play
Now we are doing saka the same way I hope it won't go to the case of rashford but I will be here to say I told you so

Case dismissed

he needs rest in some games, fine but it'll be funny to say Saka is playing nonsense.

It's even more funny to said he played nonsense ystdy

kokaneprodigy:
That’s because Gabriel hardly gets exposed thanks to the midfield.

Reason I said Gabriel wouldn’t have done better in that situation considering his errors despite playing behind a more stable midfield. This is not hard to understand.
This was I what I pointed out with Emery’s midfield but peeps were trying to shield Guen while pinning blame on the defense instead.

Teams spent most of the 90mins bombarding our defense back then, FFS those Scummies hardly played in our half yesterday the few times they threatened they scored. Very disgusting!
you are blaming Lokonga for him but suddenly think he’ll do better behind Guen and Xhaka. The joke is on you.

Let's get this straight. Mustafi have been very useless since during Wenger's time aside from the first season oo(by half of the season after his injury, he was even showing some stupid traits). Even during Emery's first season that we finished one point off 4th position, Mustafi was still useless as it was Sokratis and Kos that was Manning our defence. It was just the Emery 2nd season that our Midfield turn expressway which eventually led to his sack and that's just estimately 6months or less

Don't coverup Mustafi uselessness under Emery last gory 6 months in charge as if he wasn't causing palpitations before then.

afrodoc:
The most significant error came not from the players but from your manager. He is a very good coach and i think he will only get better but he made a couple of tactical errors yesterday.

1) Changing formation to a more attacking formation when it was 1-1 which played into our hands. You guys were dominating possession while keeping things reasonably tight at the back. If he had persevered with that formation and just taken off tiring players the game would have ended in either an Arsenal win or a draw.

2) Falling for the rope-a-dope when your back line moved even higher up the field in the 2nd half after Ronaldo came on. They felt safe because Ronaldo does not have pace forgetting that that change allowed Rashford to execute his usual out to in left wing run behind the high line.

That higher line plus the 3 subs change and disrupted everything. I agree he was stupid to make those 3 panicked subs as that exposed us to unnecessary counter..

iamoyindamola:
That's how we are all defending saka instead of benching him...

This is very very funny?

How will deh bench Saka when he's one of the best players even though his not at his very best?

I mean, who does that?

iamoyindamola:
Have you
He caused us against Fulham if that was mustafi heaven will fall
He did the same yesterday rushing out of his line but lonkonga is the Scape goat

He redeemed himself with a goal plus we one. Even at that I still criticized him that day but it won't be much cos he redeemed himself. Have Mustafi ever redeemed himself when him Fvck up?


As for ystdy, Lokonga was found wanting. I would surely blame who was found wanting. It's that simple

iamoyindamola:
Bros all we ask is channel the same energy we used against mustafi on Gabriel when he brainfart

Simple

Every other thing is shalaye

Which energy??.

If Gabriel gives me the palpitations that Mustafi gives me, I'll surely channel the same energy to Gabriel. It's that simple.

eph12:
This is more of an Arteta problem. Just a simple instruction from him will make Lokonga stay back. Maybe he was encouraged to add bodies to the attack. On another day, it may have worked.

This is not about staying back just for the sake of it. It's about becoming positionally aware defensively in that back he stays. Someone who is meant to screen the backline should be ready to track any runners, read danger before it happens and snuff out attack before it becomes dangerous mostly by positioning and that's what he lacks. The first goal conceded, he didn't even attack yet Bruno pounced on his Defensive frailties to get in behind him into a dangerous zone. Person like Elneny or Partey would never let that happen.

iamoyindamola:
All I see is hypocrisy not double standard
Mustafi make mistake he's useless and rubbish
Gabu do mistake he will get better he's still better than mustafi

Nawa oo

The way Una dey yarn sha, person will think no be Mustafi of arsenal we dey talk about.

This is just like man u fan defending Maguire

daveP:
I don't know why this is so hard to accept. Lokonga is not a starter option when it comes to games vs Top 6. Elneny is even preferred. Simple.


I can bet you that if it was Tottenham, Kane and Son for don roast us cos na Kane go enter that DM zone and be distributing passes to torment us.



I rewatched the clip. Zinch has some blame. His back was to Antony. The confidence for that suggest he thinks Gab was setting an offside line already. Even if that wasn't the case, he was still very far from Antony. If he was closer, that pass would be contested easily by Zinch. But see the option Zinch went for when Gab was already there. Naaaah.

Tierney will never do that!!


Body language of Rams....he saw the leg movement of Antony and my goodness, his reaction is not the best.


Then that high line that Exposed Saliba, if Elneny was on pitch, Saliba won't really be saddled with much. But i prefer to say it than Absolve blame. The pace towards that wasn't good.


Overall, Ramsdale was shaky. See the nonsense pace that almost led to another goal.

Lol, I don even forget tottenham sef. Kane go us us do shege if Lokonga play that DM role. Ordinarily, na wetin him dey do sef

As for that 1st goal, I was surprised. I mean, Antony have already adjusted his body that he wanted to place it at the far corner yet Ramsdale still dive the other way. Maybe it's just a normal reflex a GK always undergo, who knows(easier said than done right)? But then, I won't blame him for any of the goals. It's easier for the players to score that than for Ramsdale to save those ball

Ramsdale wasn't shaky sha, aside from that error, he was good.

I think the defence was all over the place ystdy especially as we paraded a weak DM against a good runners and passers of the ball. The defence was really exposed ystdy Tbh.

Lastly, Our best bet is Tomiyasu. What we were missing ystdy in attack showed as White no be am. He'll give us that stretch we need and he has that understanding with Saka.
And yes, Zinchenko was partly exposed, the defensive securities of Tierney wouldn't have made that happen.

kokaneprodigy:
So it’s Different yardsticks for different players even if they play in same department, I get it now

Lol... Gabriel is better and more comfortable than Mustafi. Like I said, Mustafi gives palpitations, Gabriel doesn't so it'll be very very unjust for me to use same stick I use for Mustafi to flog Gabriel. It doesn't work that way.

If you say we need better person than Gabriel, maybe you'll have a point but not placing Mustafi and Gabriel in the same bracket like say dem be mate

iamoyindamola:
I agree also add stupidity to it
That's not all he went for all with the mumu sub to further expose the back

even me was surprised about the way Arteta panicked and put just put 3 subs disrupting the flow of the game. I don't know if it's arrogance but it's real stupidity.

kokaneprodigy:
But he was a spectator yesterday and not part of the defense. Na your logic I use ooo, you asked me to be logical.

Lol, you'll have to name one individual error he did na not the error of defence.

If you blame the defence for the goals scored, fine, but singling out only Gabriel is nothing short of agenda na

WhoDeyHause:
I cannot make that pass even with my eyes opened. Tell 100 million grealish to do it for you or your useless dvd anytime they start him to play against derby county.

My man!!

Spy360:
If I ask you what Lokonga would have done to prevent the goals what would be your answer? You should have included that in your analysis.

Look it's easy to find fault.

For the records, the first goal was on Zinchenko and Gabriel- Gab should have stayed his ground and not launch forward exposing himself, Zinchenko should have marked his man but left him to cover Gabriel who has exposed the defense. That first goal was a team error not in any particular player.

The second goal also was a team error because the structure was wrong. They should have sat back in a double pivot of Lokonga and Xhaka but both forayed and exposed the defense the moment the ball was lost. Lokonga losing the ball is not the problem, but that the positional structure was wrong. That one is on the manager for me.

The third was bound to happen after the manager also sent forward players in an attempt to rescue the game.

At 1-1 in the 60something min, why push for a winner in an away game against a top side and exposing the entire team and scattering the structure? That's pure arrogance and inexperience.

You all know how I love Arteta but I will say what I observed. No sentiments.

Putting any sort of blame on Zinchenko is even funny

Anyways, like I said, I just hope Lampard doesn't capitalise and target that zone cos if it happens, we'll stlll keep on blaming Arteta for playing highline instead of falling deeper forgetting that it was such tactics that made us win 5 straight and have correct performances all these while