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2-2 half time.

Gameplay seemed even after the 2nd goal.

Nice one

FirstbornWds:
You don vex?

I swear

Omo, na wa ooo. 2-2

Which kain defence na.

And why are we so losing ball at dangerous positions

Omo, Saka dey work wonders on that wing

Roland17:
He literally passed the ball into the net

precision over power.

Roland17:
After 24 minutes, I think we are playing a 4-2-3-1

Yeah..I think so too.
Saka is too advanced

My boy Smith Rowe.
2-1

Mtcheww

Nketiah take your opportunity my boy!!

1-0

Roland17:
Me sef no understand again sef Players are just everywhere.. one minute it looks like a back 4, the other minute it looks like a back 3.

Local man is tired

Lol.. I swear even me I confuse.
But with time it'll become clearer

Ehen, I suspected it's 3 at the back.
So tavarez and Saka as WBs. Not bad

Game on

One Thing I know is that if we win, no matter how scrappy, we might have confidence going into man u match.

Lose and we'll become even more confused and Arteta overthinking things again

50d33q:
Overthinking will kill the rookie las las

Him dey learn from him Oga

mostob:
White at RB but Tavarez will be attacking more.
My fear na Elneny,he fit handle Mount?
At least I can vouch for holding to hold his own against lukaku.
And Saka versus Alonso and Sarr....

Omo,
I no even understand wetin Arteta dey do and I'm not even optimistic about anything with this Lineup.
Well let's see sha

mostob:
Minister of defence is here..we no suppose chop past 3 goals...

I swear, I never still understand the formation

Spy360:
White had some pedigree before joining. He was already with England at the Euros.

Ramsdale/Leno as an upgrade was a mistake, I have already addressed that.

Bentacour to Spurs does not sound as an upgrade for me because they had Dier playing DM and was moved to defense. That looks like makeup. If you call it an upgrade, it's up to you.

This whole thing is really based on personal perspective, especially that of the manager or club who did the deal.

Bentancur is mostly a central Midfielder that's why I was using Winks who's a central Midfielder that got displaced also not dier that has been playing CB since last season for Tottenham. So I dunno why you're using Dier.

Anyways, Why I'm even insistent of these explanations and examples was because you categorically said summer transfer window was mostly for upgrade while winter was Mostly for make up. So with or without makeup, the team can still perform.

But after everything, na so so makeup you dey give as examples from White to Ramsdale to Odegaard who have improved us. That's to tell you Jan Tw is even crucial than the way you're making it sound and you're not even aware of it.
And that's also the main reason arsenal is crumbling before our very eyes.

I think I've gotten what I wanted to get from you on this matter

Spy360, to be honest eh, your explanation/definition and examples about upgrade and makeup is all over the place.


You might say Ramsdale is not an upgrade but he was really an upgrade in Arteta's eyes. Cos he didn't even give Leno an opportunity to even compete with Ramsdale. He was displaced without thinking twice.

Bentancur and kuluveski are pure upgrade in that Tottenham team. Conte needed someone to displace Winks and he went for juventus player who was mostly a starter in that team and a Uruguay int'l. How he's seen not an upgrade(since he has pedigree and experience) over winks who was displaced after bentancur coming is what's surprising. Same thing as kuluveski who was already a known youngster in that juventus team over bergwijn and Moura (both grossly inconsistent)

Most of the examples you gave as upgrade isn't even upgrade according to your definition sef. I for one knows that someone like White and Gabriel are makeups using your definition cos actually they weren't even competing with anybody. Especially white.

No Luiz, no mustafi, (recognised starters). Just Holding and chambers whom aren't starters sef.

50d33q:
This one fit be spiritual

Lol, abeg na Man u problem be spiritual oo

Spy360:
Did I?

Ramsdale Vs Leno was not an upgrade please. It was a makeup. We needed competition or backup for Leno. We got Ramsdale who ursurped him. It could easily be reverse if Ramsdale starts farting.

of course you did.

Spy360:
An upgrade is adding a player to displace another none performing. For example, Ramsdale for Leno was an upgrade. Gabriel and White was an upgrade to Mustafi and co.

In your explanation, you said in an upgrade, you bring someone who already have a pedigree.

So please, tell me the pedigree White had that made him an upgrade on dem mustafi and co?

Tell me also why bentancur is not an upgrade when he has more pedigree than Winks?

Spy360 you said Ramsdale was signed as Leno upgrade

But same you is saying bentancur and kuluveski aren't upgrades even though they met your upgrade definition and explanations.

I still dey wait for you why Ramsdale go be upgrade but bentancur and kuluveski aren't?

Afterall na your definition we dey follow

50d33q:
No not at all
You know na only me they Stan mustafi and they rubbish the guy too much
Lush100 is right, fans really torture the guy emotionally maybe that's what's affecting magwaya (the guy now start running away from ball so they won't blame him but no matter where he run too trouble awaits )

Of course, it affected mustafi emotionally. I once read an interview by mustafi who said every time he goes home at night, he's always down, that's it's his wife that mostly consoles him. He'll play fine game, no one will talk anything, if he makes one mistake, all hell will be let loose. And the worst part is that his mistakes mostly leads to goal (like Maguire).

Na that one I'll agree that a player is affected psychologically or mentally, no be this one dem say our club dey do now

BlueRayDick:
After seeing the stats he posted do u agree with him that Mustafi was better than Van Djik for the two seasons he posted?

I dey mad?? How will I agree.

If you know me, I'm one of those who hardly use only stats to judge players

50d33q:
Overall we always say mustafi caused this goal mustafi caused that goal.
He only committed one error leading to goal sane as vvd

Lower your voice comrade before dem say you dey bring another DWYL agenda

Spy360:
Conte did not sign them as upgrades na. Haba.

He is playing them doesn't mean they came as upgrades. Common man.

Omo*10

Person was signed and he benched/displaced the existing first teamer after the first match but but but, he's not an upgrade.

Twale Spy, I troway hand for you
Anything to win argument

Spy360:
Makeup is replacing an injured player, or adding to a position lacking personnel. Replacing Auba for example would be a makeup. Signing Tavares as a backup for Tierney was a makeup. Signing Odegaard due to lack of AM is a makeup.

An upgrade is adding a player to displace another none performing. For example, Ramsdale for Leno was an upgrade. Gabriel and White was an upgrade to Mustafi and co.

A restructuring is adding players to change formation or the dynamics of a team. This is rare. Man City once did a restructuring when Pep joined. Chelsea did when Mourinho joined. Klopp too did one to suit his gengen pressing.

Good for the explanation

So you called bentancur and kuluveski makeups? How come if they're starting most matches and displaced the players that was already there.
Example, bentancur replaced winks and
Kuluveski replaced Moura or bergwijn(any of your choice)

So tell me why are they regarded as makeups instead of upgrades since they didn't fit the makeup definition?

BlueMann:
Thiago's just out there having fun

Onye ball has been onye balling this season.

I remember when thiago was ridiculed here. Now this season he's been a beast

50d33q:
I didn't know 3 teams in England can go for Europa I thought it's only UCL that allow such

Yeah, they do. It started since the time they were allowing 5 teams as UCL representative

50d33q:
You are no getting it
I said since we are 6th and Leicester win uecl we are dropping to the conference league while Leicester take our position

That's why I said that's false na and it's there in the article. If we're 6th and Leicester wins Uecl, then 5th position, 6th position (arsenal in this case) and Leicester will all play In the Europa League


Modified: screen shot attached ; where the numbers 1 2 etc... are the league positions

Man utd switched to 3412.

Omo, we need to try that tomorrow and beyond o. Something different to just tweak and gain confidence.

Top 2 of Martinelli and Nketiah won't be bad.
Tavarez Cedric as wing back
Attacking midfielder is Saka

Midfield base of Xhaka and Odegaard.
Three defenders of — they know themselves

50d33q, please read this article and you'll see that my point I told you about we finishing 5th or 6th or 7th won't affect us missing totally from any European competition even if Leicester and West ham wins their respective European campaign. 5&6th auto Europa while 7th, auto Uecl

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4645413/which-premier-league-clubs-will-qualify-for-the-champions-leagueeuropa-league-and-europa-conference-league%3fplatform=amp

Godx:
It's basically in the screenshot odunharry shared.

Lol... From same screenshot that have loopholes in which I'm countering?.

I was even thinking there's a link sef say they confessed and was expelled for confessing to raping not all these mumbo-jumbo one sided tori Ubi is fabricating

Spy360:
No.

Please no, I beg you.

Makeup does not mean upgrade. Makeup infact is optional. Upgrade is part of rebuilding. No serious club rebuilds or upgrades in Jan unless they have bloody sugar daddies. That's because it's extremely risky. Except Newcastle with new daddies, no club did upgrade. Spurs did a makeup with Kulusevic and Bentacour, yet Conte still complained, yet they got beaten by Brighton. Makeup is makeup, but rebuilding or upgrade is a whole lot different.

We sold out deadwoods, could have made up with quality Vlahovic and Melo, but deal failed. I can't blame the manager for if a player refused to join. We only move.

Infact I prefer in-house makeup as we did with ESR last season and Saka before that. We did an upgrade on our defense which was very successful. Hopefully, next window, we face midfield and attack. It's a process, it's a journey. All I want from the team is steady growth to show the effort, and this is what I am seeing so far.

If finally we finish 4th or 5th, it's an improvement however small, this will create the platform for a MUST TOP 4 finish next season.

Please explain in simple terms between Makeup and upgrade for me, so that I'll get the context.

And tell me how kuluveski and bentancur is a makeup and not an upgrade using said explanation.

Thank you