₦airaland Forum

iamoyindamola:
Martial that they collect Saturday and give him Sunday
Abi because he use arsenal advertise

Lol... You're talking about his bad day as a whole.
I'm talking about Martial on his good day, that if you bump into him without knowing, you might want him in your team straight.
Martial on his good day is calm and collected, have a good close control, can score, can dribble very well.
That's how talented he is.

But can he replicate such high performance like that weekly?
That's the consistency he's lacking, and that's why we can't use 1 match to judge someone

Spy360:
This case is dead on arrival.

That Ben arfa was consistent?

Unlimited22:
2222

2nd position next season

iamoyindamola:
Ben arfa is consistent now just like nasri
Pepe is not the talent I'm talking about, there's no way I will watch Pepe once and rate him same with martial
But their are others like haaland, mbappe,saka even Tierney you don't need binocular or watching multiple times to rate

Ben arfa which consistent? He's one of the most inconsistent player with such great talent same as Martial. If you look at Martial on his good day and claim he's not a talent, then "hmmm", I dunno what to say...

iamoyindamola:
Show me a match martial or welbeck played like a world class
Like I said, football is a talent base sport not an exam you will cram and pour.
In football if you are good you are good I don't believe in if we come tomorrow he won't replicate his performance
Ronaldinho, okocha, delima etc if you bring them out to play you will still see the talent in them no matter how

Martial first season at man u, he showed high potential that even during man city derby(I think his 1st or 2nd season), pellagrini had 2 players to always man mark him.
Even this season, anybody who doesn't know martial but watch martial against man city (2nd leg) would have thought martial is/was a great player this season. They wouldn't have known how inconsistent he is.

Even giroud Carling cup(or is it fa cup) s/f goal and performance against Southampton (at Chelsea), if nobody knew giroud but watched that match, someone will think he's some kind of de Lima reincarnated..

The players again you called are top stars who can do it CONSISTENTLY. Someone like Ben arfa can play like ronaldinho for you today and tomorrow you'll be wondering what sort of player is this.

Let's even use our pepe as example sef. There are sometimes you'll applaud his play (like against wolves 2nd leg this season) and most other times you'll shout and scream how the hell we bought a player who can't even beat his man and you wish they can bin him. The difference between pepe and saka is consistency over an extended period of matches. Not just 1 or 2 matches

iamoyindamola:
If after watching a player once and you can't say if he's good or not then forget it.
You don't have to look forever to know a good player, football is a talent that can't disappear into a player.
Know this and know peace no matter how hard welbeck, giroud, martial work or train they can't exceed more than this.
So saying a single match can't make you rate a player in tournament is big false

Lol... Watching a player once?
You can never use 1 or 2 matches to grade how good a player is. Tho, it can be used to create awareness
That bolded is so so false.
There's a reason why scouts watch players over a period of time and that's the consistency factor they're looking out for.

And as for the player examples you gave, I believe they were some matches were each of them played as if they're world class.

Spy360:
1. Onana can come for as low as 7m.

2. Sell AMN, buy a RB. Sell Belerin buy a LB.

3. Sell Xhaka, add money buy Locatelli; buy Sander Berge or any decent DM; buy Madison or any decent AM.

4. Sell Lacazette, add money buy Isak or any decent striker.

We won't spend more than 150m net.

If this club renew Laca contract, then I'll know they're dumb.
Also, the person deceiving Amn that he should stick to Midfield when he can actually play Rb no try for him career at all. Since he's so adamant on playing Midfield, the club should sell... Amn, lacazette, willock, bellerin, xhaka, nketiah.

Buy all the positions you talked about except Cf. Instead we should buy a winger.

And here's my reason.
We have balogun. Why I wouldn't want us to throw him in next season, but then, next season ought to be a big season for him. We have Auba to Mann that position and balogun to transition in as 2nd striker in view of displacing him. Also, martinelli should be played on both the wings and cf so that if anything happens to Auba, we know we have to able strikers to fill in the void.
Buying a young striker like isak is potentially killing balogun slot and Martinelli hope of playing as 9 for us.

Also, I've been taking note of isak in Spain. While his first season wasn't so good, last season was good and he improved considerably. I wanted to watch him this coming season to make up my mind, but this euros I feel have opened up people's eyes to him.
Anyways, I feel we should just be shrewd in that our striking department and buy a very good goal scoring winger and creator. Auba can still give us 1 more season, then from next season, Balo and Marti will think of taking over. We just have 2 wingers in saka and Pepe. Marti can play wing too but we need another right footed winger. Willian can be coming 85min to close out game or he can just be eternally glued to bench and/or playing carabao cup

johnjunior39:
Maybe Ben White is suddenly Van Dijk or a magician , like that is this thing he is actually bringing to the club

We are not playing in any Europe competition what do we need 5 senior defenders to do? Abi Holding is leaving ?

I miss Wenger with this youngsters

haven't holding signed a new contract this just concluded season?
Anyways, this club is a joke and there's no rationale or justifiable reason why they should buy another defender. Wen we should be thinking of how to incorporate saliba and he's placing 50m for white. Are we planning on playing 5 at the back next season?

Well, I no put my mind for arsenal transfer window this season, lemme just see which player(s) we'll field by end of Aug/Sept.

That Edu and Arteta just no wan get sense

Spy360:
How I judge players during cup competition is their movements and ball control. Passion will deceive any scout

Aside that, 7 games or less is such a small sample to grade a player consistency over the long run.
And one thing I notice, most of this European players give their all (passion as you put it) when playing for their country than club.

CapitalCee:
Leave them let them continue bashing the players. This same Foden and Mount were beasting UCL. Kane was winning golden boot and highest assist in EPL. Sancho and Rashford are churning out numbers year in year out, yet they said they are overatted. Lol. That's the same excuse they keep making for the fraud Ole.
I knew when Southgate took over Middlesbrough after he retired he messed out a very solid boro team and relegated them. He is banking on a sneaky world cup run where he beat Panama and Tunisia (in the last minute), scraped through columbia on penalties, won a below average sweden and lost to Croatia who themselves scraped through penalty wins versus Denmark and Russia. He lost twice to Belgium. I am praying for England to meat a good team like Portugal or Italy early so that they will exit immediately.

How England keep messing up their chances with average and below par coaches is really a world Wonder. What's even painful is that this is like another golden generation that just needs a good coach to bring out the best from them. They keep on Playing politics with the national team.
Surprised people are calling the players overrated. I do scan most of the European country squad and I can say most of this England squad (players) will see first team shirts in most countries team. Talk about Italy, France, Germany, Spain and all and I can confidently say most England players Will start in most of this countries. So, how are they overrated? The sooner they do away with Southgate and employ someone better, the better.

Also, the run to the world cup, tho great but you surmised it perfectly. England NT are really underachieving all thanks to their coach.

....seeing this England squad, I believe Wenger is one of the best candidate to bring the best out of this talented squad they are parading. National job isn't as demanding and challenging as club team and also he'll have the best of best to choose from across different leagues.
Also since Wenger knows their culture well, why England isn't ringing his number and convincing him to take that role is just surprising.
England always settling for less then coming up short.
Tufia!!

.....Reason why I don't normally look at cup tournaments when assessing player for a club to buy. I mostly just use cup tournament to confirm my basis of the player(s) instead of purely rating the players on cup basis.
Look at Kane for example, if most of us don't know who Kane is, we might be skeptical of his true talents not knowing he is just off-sync with this present England squad so far.

patrickmuf:
When you watch English players away from their clubs, you see just how overrated they are...

It's the reason I'm caught in two minds about Sancho...

And you don't think a very poor manager is the reason for this, instead of the players being overrated?

This is one of the most talented and balanced England squad in years. Forget the media hype, southgate is killing the national team and most of us ain't surprised

Kilishihunter:
Forlan was a badass scorer like falcao too na, , 2 European golden shoes But why I would rank Forlan ahead of him is for what he did with Uruguay on the international scene both in the world cup and in their Copa America win and his 2 European golden shoe wins

Well... You're right too sha.
Esp that 2 European golden shoe and world cup MVP.
Those 2 awards are one hell of an achievement I won't deny...

BlueAngel444:
ya Forlan joined Inter after, just checked

No problem boss.
No one dey above mistake

popizaino:
My opinion doesn't matter,what matter is that I would have backed it up with fact.

Diego forlan was a world class striker. Ce fini

bring up your facts.
I also brought up mine when answering you na while concluding it with opinion

Actman05:
You are ignoring the part where he said Chelsea is one of the few big teams.

He might mean arsenal too na

Oasis007:



Don't mind Bobrisky.

Kilishihunter:
You've given badass takes today bro but if indeed anyone is to be rated higher especially when playing for lower teams between both of them it's definitely Diego Forlan

I think falcao edges forlan due to the trophies won as he(falcao) was a key factor in it. Also falcao was a badass goalscorer during his prime just below messi and Ronaldo

Debroslink:
When you win Europe's Golden Boot TWICE while playing for 2nd tier clubs.

When you are the MVP of the World Cup,

When you drag Atletico from being a mid-table club to a top 3 club long before Simeone became the coach

When you captain your country to win Copa America despite the presence of Brazil and Argentina.

That's a World Class player

Lol...Great!
Valid points

popizaino:
Nice you concluded with the bolded.

Lol... Well you asked for my opinion na

BlueAngel444:
I know forlan played for ATM, I also remember he was in Inter when Mou won UCL

I also recall Forlan in world cup for Uruguay, so how exactly did you come up with your Forlan is not world class for you

Because I know the real world where Forlan lives in he was a world class player at several points in his career.

He didn't win UCL with inter in 2010 if I remember correctly.
Maybe you're mistaken him with sneijder.

popizaino:
What makes falcao a world class and forlan a top player ?

falcao, one of the core players who took athletico from top 7 to top 3 team while winning trophies along the way.
Went to Monaco and won the league from psg with most of his goal important goals(as he's Monaco highest goal scorer).

Won super cup against Chelsea with a hat trick. Shone at Porto, elevated his status at athletico.

As for forlan, well his good and his achievement speaks for him. But, he was just a good player at Villarreal, not so great at man u and also a good player at athletico.
Just a top player but not world class in my opinion.

popizaino:
Pls what category will you place Diego forlan and Ramadel Falco?

Forlan - Top player
Falcao - World class striker no doubt

Actman05:
It seems he is sending a mail.
Cc Jodera

Lol... He spent most of his time and success at Chelsea. Why wouldn't he love Chelsea kwanu?

popizaino:
Which of these boxes is Harry kane yet to tick ?

Check my subsequent post. I admit Kane is world class striker but Tottenham as a club is limiting him of the accolades he truly deserves

Havertz10:
he has truly been lucky, always at the right place at the right time

it's as if he has a team that planned it, Spain have no other choice than to play him cause no other Spanish striker is playing at a top team

Exactly.
Morata of 10yrs ago wouldn't have being called up at all, not to talk of seeing first shirt.
How Spain having enough forwards of Villa, Torres, even negredo and soldado isn't seeing shirt then. Now, even one striker, a whole Spain is lacking, that they just have to settle for morata and use Moreno as back up.
Mehn, morata jazz strong gan oo!

BlueAngel444:
Lol, if only he can carry his miracle to his scoring form.

I have said it already
A world class player, is one based on his performance and global recognition, irrespective of club, transfer fee or age.

For example a 17year like Davies can come on stage, for whatever fee and his performance is so exceptional he gets to the finals of an international tournament. The world, FIFA, UEFA will recognize him and as one of the best left backs in the world. At that point he is world class, any team that tries to buy will understand that in figures with many zeros. But if next season he fades for whatever reason, no recognition I can bet you fans will forget he is still playing in two seasons but not the season where he was among the best.
Was he world class? Yes

Coutinho isn't world class anymore because both at club and country he has no recognition no value, I heard Barca want to sell for few millions or so. That doesn't mean he can't regain his value

A player like Pedri is already becoming world class, at 18, even as a Madrid fan that doesn't like him, that's the truth. There are many players 20 above that want to be in Pedri's position but he has the performance and recognition to support the international hype he has gotten.

If hype was easy to get, gosh, I see mill turning to bill in my life

Lol... I see your point.
Even tho I don't agree to it(esp that irrespective to club own), but let's just disagree to agree(abi how dem dey take talk am sef )

Cheers!!

Kilishihunter:
Agreed he won't be ranked like them for now, but if you are great you are great even if you have people above you, Messi and ronaldo have been regarded year in year out as the best players in the world but cause they are better than neymar and hazard (when he was in Chelsea) doesn't mean the latter two wouldn't be regarded as world class players, Donarumma even before his move to PSG is already a top top goalie but he still won't be regarded in the same breath as oblak, Stegen or ederson for now So yes you're right on saying Ranking and playing in bigger clubs matter, but if you're top notch even playing in a lower side, the world would notice Kdb at Wolfsburg was already a terror, Lewy at Dortmund, Rooney at everton et al

Now you get my point.

But my main point is that, that your light shine in small club doesn't automatically means it'll shine in big club.

Reason why I gave the mbappe and gotze comparison. Mbappe shone at small club (Monaco) and maintained his consistency at PSG.
Gotze shone at Dortmund, but fell of the radar at Bayern. Now the reason why everyone is adoring mbappe was that he maintained and even bettered his play and improvement. Reason why he's world class.
Gotze went out the opposite way, reason why he's not and why he's now playing at Holland now.
The long and short of it is that not every talent that made it at small club or shine will automatically make it at big club. The pressure, standard and all is very different, reason why top or good players are needed at top clubs not average clubs. Granted, the world will notice you, but only as a potential. They won't take you serious until you enter a top club

BlueAngel444:
Lol, like one guy that slapped babe and ended up in...

Read my post and explanation till you have sense about it, it is simple and straight forward.

You will even understand that business angel of being a world performer, why players strive for it, and why someone like Morata is playing and starting in top teams

Morata starting in top teams na grace. I never see a striker or player as lucky as morata.

It seems you've a different understanding of WC player(s) with what most of us know.

So please I would like to ask, what's your criteria you look out for in terming a player world class?

donstan18:
Omo! As much as I like Mount and James, I can’t even dare call them world class players. For wetin?

Some statements are effortlessly embarrassing.

donstan18:
Timo Werner, Pulisic and Rashford worldclass??

There’s no way you’ll convince me that poster didn’t take Arizona with Gordon before typing those shiits!!

Las las, mount and James na world class oo


Even your fraudvertz na world class