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donstan18:
Consistency and participation in big tournaments, are they not enough to prove Kane a world class player?

it's enough proof. Kane is a world class striker.
What I'm just saying is that, cos of his nature of his Club, he won't be called alongside top great strikers that had graced the game.

Kane na balon Dor material oo

donstan18:
Gawd!!!

Omo...
Things we dey see sha.

All Chelsea players automatically don turn world class ooo

Same way all Porto players of 2004 were world class

mirinder:
These are big clubs but unfortunately not in fifa's area of concentration

Exactly.
Reason why I said for them to be recognized, they need to fashion it with best of the best.
So many players abound maybe more than messi and Ronaldo in those leagues, but until they move to the limelight, they're just.... Good players.

Even top countries will hardly pick players from there over players representing top European clubs

BlueAngel444:
The reasons you are mentioning those teams is because they play in Champions league.

Is white or did Minge perform so much better than Tomori? the coach called the ones he felt had performed in a tougher competition.

Foden performed in Champions league, more people have seen Foden player, I am not taking about 6inch or 55inch seeing, seen him play internationally than Grealish.

Foden has more recognition than Grealish, you can now begin to argue who is more talented or who you like. The fact remains one has enter the class of world stars and the other is still in league star.


That's why players want to play with clubs in Champions league, the more exposure you have in your sports the more deals.



Is like someone arguing that Pulisic is not world class, it is dumb, or Rashford because he flopped in europa league final is not world class

We are talking about whether you like a player or not, let be objective.

Pulisic world class?
Rashford world class?

Any unsentimental man u fan will slap you for calling rashford world class.

As for pulisic, when has a world class player become a rotational player. Meaning which time a WC player doesn't have a first team shirt on a lockdown in a top club like Chelsea?

BlueAngel444:
Joe Hart was world class, no matter how anyone feels about it. That's the truth, both internationally and locally he competed, was recognized and was among the best performing GKs
He was England's number 1.


I don't have short term memory

This world class things, I'm seeing it as extremely talented group of few people with high standards and not just any good top player.

E just dey like Gp for federal university.
Any great and good students can attain 2.1, but it's just very special group of talented people who are consistent can make the first class.

The way you're calling small top and average players as top class no be am oo

Almajirihunter:
My talk about Kane was referenced to this statement

oh... Okay.
The question I was answering(in context) was the just concluded season that's why.

So yes, Kane is world class

andrewbaba44:
Harry Kane is a world class striker

No matter how you twist it you won’t make any sense

Thank you

Lol... Kane is a world class striker.

Just saying due to his clubs inconsistent display in Europe, he won't be regarded as same breath as their Raul, lewy, fat Ronaldo et al, even with such world class displays.
I dunno if you get my point.

Cc. Izzou, blueangel, hesben, kilishihunter.

BlueAngel444:
form is what makes class and with achieving class, na just mere forming.

Imagine if after all grealish did he wasn't called up to play Euros, would he ever be considered world class, even with all his form.

Hazard was world class, even he said he doesn't want to leave Madrid a failure.

Players lose class, they fall from their height. Form maintains class, like money maintains class and prestige. If you were in q clique or a club you would understand.

You think if this certain grealish with this form he displayed this concluding season would not have seen first shirt in that england squad if he'd played for man u, man city or Liverpool?
Swap grealish and foden clubs with what they displayed this concluding season, and I assure you, foden will be chilling at home with Watkins while grealish would have an automatic shirt.

Almajirihunter:
Benzema is a world class striker, forget talk.
You forgot Kane

Kane didn't play this just concluded UCL if I'm not mistaken

BlueAngel444:
You are funny, so you think the year Pele brought into the national team and made them world cup champions he was not world class based on your reason above.

You think any one would say Gotze is world class, though at some point he was.

Is Coutinho world class?

Hazard maybe debatable because he managed to be called up to an international event, to me he is no longer a world class winger. No one would give him that recognition except he fights for it.


Class isn't made by transfer fee, age or past, it is made by exceptional performance. It can be maintained it can be lost. Ask Joe Hart

I never regarded coutinho as a WC player while at Liverpool tho.
I see him as a top player.

Simple.

Joe Hart a WC keeper? Nah!

Kilishihunter:
Bro see I'm not saying you are wrong at all, no matter how good you are your presence at the biggest clubs would elevate your status and level to the world Noted All I'm just saying is that you can still be a world beater at a lesser club and a younger age, if like you rightly said are consistent though no one knows the future too

Now we're getting somewhere.

My point is Buffon at parma was showing world class talent. He still have to move to juve and become a 2nd choice keeper before ousting the juve keeper (if I'm not mistaken). It was at juve he became world class player.

Same As donarumma. I won't call him world class keeper at ac Milan, tho he has world class potential.
His present move to PSG will now validate his potential. That's my point.

BlueAngel444:
Class is not permanent, rich folks will understand what I mean.

[b]Say you rich yesterday no mean anything today, [/b]maybe connection could help back though.
But that's the difference between "was a world class player" from "is a world class player"

Na reason why they say form is temporary, class is permanent.
Player can lose form and all, but that doesn't diminish his class once the class is attained

Hazard is a top player no matter what anyone thinks, he's already attained that height. If he likes, let him flop and retire, he'll still be regarded as a top player that graced EPL and Belgium.
Now that's class

Kilishihunter:
He was already making waves in the UCL, Man United, Juventus and Dortmund were scrambling for his signature so if they thought he wouldn't make waves No one would make a move

Lol... Top clubs scrambling for a talents signature doesn't mean he's world class na.

Many players abound that top club were scrambling for siggy, yet they flopped after the move

hensben:
How old do you think is immobile? Kane is a world class striker irrespective of the club he play for.

I don't know why this question is relevant sha.
It doesn't matter the age.
It's consistency at top level for me

hensben:
Its same thing bro. Elite, world class fall under same cetegory.

Top players and world class are too different things

Capaldi:
Most of you are confusing world class talent into meaning world class player. Mbappe at Monaco displayed world class talent after his first season but he wasn't world class yet. Haaland is not even World class yet.

Thank you boss

BlueAngel444:
Haaland is a world class striker, same as Timo Werner

Does his performance put him among top twenty in his position, yes
Does he perform in an international competition and excel in it, and gets recognized, yes


FFS Haaland is in UEFA squad of the season, He is currently a world class striker, he doesn't need a transfer fee or playing in a dead Barcelona team to prove that

Timo Werner?
Come on!!

Kilishihunter:
Buffon at Parma was already listed as one of the best goalkeepers in the world before he moved to Juve, Haaland at RB Salzburg not even Dortmund yet was being listed among the best players in the world (though mostly due to his UCL goals), mbappe had already burst on to the scene in France and was being talked about when he broke Henry's record the season before the ligue 1 title, Messi at 19 was also regarded as a world beater even though Ronaldinho was still the main man Bro top clubs are the ultimum for almost every player like you said but if you are good, a visible shining light among your teammates and your performances are glearing You'll be regarded as such bro Even if you are the 30th best player in the world, Kane hasn't won a goddamn spoon with totenham so you'll now tell me he isn't world class too?

all these ones you're saying listed in the world at so so time was because they did one thing... THEY WERE CONSISTENT FOR MANY YEARS.AT TOP LEVEL.

Pato was also listed as one of the best in the world at a young age. Why no one will call him world class was because he wasn't consistent. Robinho too.
Even our Ayinde Marshall was rated next henry.
Anderson of man u too.

The difference between the list you gave and the one I gave is Consistency at top level. So many players had the hype and rating, but they didn't live up to the billing. Even Freddy Adu and gotze. Come on!!

Now I didn't say young age can't be world class, but I said the criteria is

1... You must be at a top club vying for major trophies
2... You must be CONSISTENT in 2 or more seasons at top level.

Mbappe first season at Monaco can't be termed a world class player, just because he won league and reached semi final.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The UCL is a stage for world class teams, so we should expect world class strikers to be there

If you don't mind, can we see the stats of the World class strikers to that of this Top/Elite player (Haaland)?

If you don't mind ..[/color]

Actually, Aside Suarez of athletico and lewy, there's dearth of world class strikers. Big Benz might be arguable

So no, aside Suarez and lewy(off my head), no world class striker in this just concluded UCL.

Kilishihunter:
Buffon at Parma was already listed as one of the best goalkeepers in the world before he moved to Juve, Haaland at RB Salzburg not even Dortmund yet was being listed among the best players in the world (though mostly due to his UCL goals), mbappe had already burst on to the scene in France and was being talked about when he broke Henry's record the season before the ligue 1 title, Messi at 19 was also regarded as a world beater even though Ronaldinho was still the main man Bro top clubs are the ultimum for almost every player like you said but if you are good, a visible shining light among your teammates and your performances are glearing You'll be regarded as such bro Even if you are the 30th best player in the world, Kane hasn't won a goddamn spoon with totenham so you'll now tell me he isn't world class too?

Simple question...
Would halaand have made waves if he hadn't moved to Dortmund?
So you think his Salzburg exploits be enough to rank him as one of the best players in the world?
I laugh

andrewbaba44:
Jamie vardy doesn’t play for a big club

Or is Leicester a big club ? Won’t you regard vardy as a world class striker ?

Who told you Kane is not having accolades outside England when it’s clear he is the best striker there

We don’t even have many world class strikers in epl top teams anymore

Vardy world class striker or player ke?
Vardy is a very good player.
World class? No!

Kane is an EPL great, but until he starts doing it in top European competitions,(UCL), then he'll just remain that - An EPL great.
Either he performs consistently at a top club or he turns spurs to a top club.
Simple.

No world class player stays at mid table club

swiz123:
Gotze was a good player who was dented by that horrible injury. However, Lewandowski was the best player during that era at Dortmund. Gotze had the chance of becoming a world class player which he wasn't at that time.

I don't know why you are asking me this but have it in mind that there have been world class players who later lost their groove... A certain Shevchenko and Torres comes to mind.

One thing is, world class players will always be regarded as a world class player even if he loses his groove, cos class is permanent.
Even if messi and Ronaldo flopped at age 28, that doesn't stop them from becoming world class. Same as ronaldinho.
Shevchenko was a world class player... He flopping at Chelsea doesn't tarnish his image cos he's already a world class, same way dinho subpar display at Milan didn't tarnish his world class status

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Haaland ticks all these boxes, except the fact that he doesn't play for a World class club.

So what category does he fall under, sir?[/color]

Top/Elite player.

mirinder:
what if he plays for boca juniors, river plate, flamengo, corinthians, sao paulo palmeiras, zamalek, al ahly

Lol... Tell me any contender for balon dor or world best in any of this aforementioned clubs?
In fact, if they're ranking best players, tell me which of the players in any of the aforementioned clubs will be in top 30

Kilishihunter:
That's why I called mbappe instead of dembele. So what was mbappe doing at Monaco? At 18 yrs of age who was the main man at Monaco, in both the ligue 1 and UCL, kdb dominated during his time in Germany, shattering records and spoilt Guardiola's bayern unbeaten run Wait first I won't to ask is it when one gets transferred to a bigger club that he can be referred to as an elite player?

In football, you don't use just one season to grade a player world class. He shone at Monaco, but he didn't produce world class displays as normal world class players. He scored 15 goals in the league and 6 goals in UCL.
Now that's enviable for a teenager, but is that world class? No.
Even if he did score say 30goals each in both competition, will he still be world class? No. Reason is because he will need to produce similar performances in more seasons to come and at top competitions to be regarded as a world class player. Else he'll just be a one season wonder.

I believe elite player and world class players are two different things.
And yes, for you to become a world class player, you need to be playing in the biggest available competition (meaning you need to be at a top club) and also winning the biggest trophies available(tho not a must to win all, but if you win all it helps), while displaying top class performances consistently.

There's a reason nobody send immobile even as he won the golden boot above them messi and Ronaldo. And even if he does it again, nobody go still send am till he goes to a big club and replicate such achievement

swiz123:
If you weren't desparate to justify your opinion with what I said, he would have noticed that it goes either way... You can also wrong for saying Dani and KDB wasn't world class at Sevilla and Wolfsburg respectively

How is alves and kdb world class at sevilla and Wolfsburg respectively?

Quick question please:
Would you call gotze of Dortmund a world class player?
If yes or no, I would love to hear your reason if you don't mind

donstan18:
Na so them go dey talk rubbish!

God bless you for the bolded!!

Bless you too boss

donstan18:
I dey agree with you, but guilty conscience no gree you read with open mind.

Big club and good manager plays a vital role in making a player world class. You can’t be a world class player simply because you bossed a particular set of squad in a smaller team. Is this too difficult to understand??

James is mediocre until your Audio world class comes in and end up as “Harvertz”. Na when una eyes go clear

Facts!
I don't know how this is hard for people to understand. You can't be in an average club and claim world class player. Never!!
You might be a good player, top player, but never a world class player.

For example, If grealish like let him display world class plays from now till 2040, if he doesn't move away from Aston villa, he'll just be another good English player. Simple.

Nobody becomes a world class player by being in average club.

There's a reason why Kane is not having much accolades outside England and why he's mostly not tagged along most world class strikers even with all his world class displays.

Kilishihunter:
I gave you reasons to counter your point on Alves being a nobody before he came to Barca you are telling me be specific and yes Kevin de bruyne was world class in Wolfsburg go and check how he tormented bayern under guardiola and his assist counts If he wasn't world class city wouldn't have paid over 50m euros for him, Was mbappe not also thought to be world class when he was in Monaco abi is it until you play for the bigger clubs you'll be regarded as such?

Bros calm down.
Because mbappe is shining presently and he lived up to the billing doesn't mean he was world class while at Monaco. I'm sure if dembele shine consistently at barca, you would have told us how he was world class at Dortmund too
Even kdb wasn't world class at Wolfsburg.

Make we caution dey call players world class biko

Amoto94:
The acute short of classic CFs in this modern era is worrying, to get a decent striker you need to pay over the odds and you will still worry about whether he will be a system fit. What do you think is responsible for the lack of quality CFs in the modern era because back then you have them in abundance?

The answer is simple. Modern day Strikers needs more than scoring of goals to thrive in today's game. Strikers need good front press, interplay with teammates, work rate as well as being a good goalscorer.

A Tammy Abraham with such stats 10-20yrs ago will definitely see shirt in top team but not now while a firmino will definitely be shifted away from the cf role.
It's very very arguable that an inzhaghi or probably a Raul won't see top teams
shirt presently.

My 2cents

johnjunior39:
I get you but Auba performance is worrisome

Yeah... Reason why we need to sell lacazette and shift auba to the middle then get a good winger.

All these Auba for wing no dey work again

johnjunior39:
Una go discover all the players for this Euro, hahahaha

Lol... I've known Dani Olmo since oo.
Moreover, I don't grade players in cup competition/tournaments. I prefer watching you in leagues.
All these cup tournaments can be deceiving