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Spy360:
Go and price Ferran Torres na... Lol. Your head go blow. Unless the player developed with you, good players with strong attitudes will always come expensive. By the way, Partey for 45m at 28years is expensive. He has little resale value. Even our own Saka will not move for cheap.

Why man city head no blow when they signed Torres?
Abi €23m is blowing of head shey or they developed Torres?
Many good players abound every where in France Spain etc. Let's get them relatively cheap.

Which one is resale value again? Are we looking for someone to improve us, or we're thinking like small team for someone to resell? Na wa oo.

If partey gives us good 4 yrs at good display, then to hell with resale value. We're looking to improve our squad not to resell bros.
How much resale value Ramsey give us?
Sagna nko?

Fkhalifa:
At this rate, Even if Emery wins UcL, Jodera will say he won it because Chukwueze was in superb form, not because it had anything to do with the coach
He either doesn't like/rate Emery or he is hell bent on the belief that Emery takes 90% responsiblity of that year's problems without looking at the entire box.

Downplaying 5 European finals with wins over Arsenal,utd and even against klopp's Liverpool in 2016 as average is funny ...yet they packaged Arterta's Fa cup win.

We can as well say Arterta faced the Wycombe and Oxford before facing the weakest city and Chelsea side to win the Cup.

If he wins UCL then he deserves all the accolades. It's you guys that's overrating this Europa cup of a stuff not me. Top players and coaches wouldn't love to be in the competition. Same way Norwich was sad going back to relegation is same way top clubs will be sad for making Europa. Same way Norwich won the championship league (and are happy) is same way top club will be happy for winning the Europa. But then, is it something to be proud of? Would Norwich wish to go back there next season in order to carry it 3times in 6 years so as to be tagged "serial England champions"?
Europa is a very 2nd rated cups for mudtable teams. Top teams and manager never want to be associated with it. Simple.
Don't just overrate it


I don't know of any one who packaged Arteta fa cup win here. Him winning fa cup just gave us optimism that maybe he'll take us to the top and soften the stance we might probably have on him. I don't see anyone even using fa cup to defend Arteta sef. We only say the fa cup was what bought him time at arsenal. Finish!!
All these overrating of Europa no be am abeg

Spy360:
Emery has 4 Europa titles with two different teams. He's been to 5 finals. How many does Arsenal as a club have? None. So if I as an Arsenal fan says he is a serial winner in Europe, it's not an exaggeration. Also, for your information, not every coach that joined PSG won titles. So if a coach does win, give him the credit he deserves.

Emery is not average. He may not be among the favorites now, but he certainly isn't average. A coach with 4 European titles isn't average.

Funny enough, I do not want him back at Arsenal, I prefer to move on. But I will not say pointless things about him now that my eyes are clear. He gave what he could while with us but was constrained by many factors. We failed to empathize with him and ended up judging him wrongly when he couldn't succeed.

I didn't doubt he didn't win 4 Europa. But please Europa cup is not a cup top clubs aim for. If not for the added incentive of champions league, Europa was another championship. Let him slug it out with the big boys in champions league let's know, not Europa that you'll only meet tough opposed in mostly sf or final and on rare occasions qf. It's like someone claiming serial winning coach for winning this conference league.
No top club aim to play Europa even arsenal as a team. Him finding himself there almost every year speaks volume of who he is if we're being truthful

Also, name me any PSG coach since the inception of Arab money that coached PSG that hasn't won title before departing? I'll be waiting.

Spy360:
No. It's neither luck nor coincidence, it's money. Ego.

You see a player like Harland? Go price am na, then you will know.

Na only haland and him type dey market?

How much was ferran Torres again? You want to tell me someone like ferran Torres can't enter first 11 in our squad?
When we start to look for 100m players instead of effective players that can come relatively cheap why won't we be in this mess.
Is partey not relatively cheap?

Two of some of our best signings this past decade came relatively cheap. Sanchez and cazorla.

Spy360:
We should get those coaches eh? Lol. So that you will then tag them failures when things don't work, the same way you are tagging a serial winner like Emery a failure.

I promise you change.
-Buhari (2015)

Change begins with you.
-Buhari (2019)

Serial winner like Emery? Aside Europa a second rated European cup, what has he won??
He'll avoid the likes of Bayern and barca in UCL just to meet otelul galati and Wimbledon in Europa. Then meet an average league club side in s/f and final before winning that's what you're calling serial winner?
In Spain, how many times has he jostled for league with Madrid and barca?
How many times has he even reach copa del Rey final sef?
If not PSG that boost his CV that made arsenal sign him, you think the board would have looked his back?
Please Emery is an average coach for average club like Everton, west Ham and sort. He'll do well with them without much pressure and less league involvement and he knows how to navigate Europa cup competitions cos he knows it's just sf and final he'll need to be tactically right.
Come on, abeg make we no dey too hype this Emery abeg.

mostob:
Bro..that season still dey do me somehow. All we needed then was a good striker. With a decent striker, we would have won the league.

I tell you bro.
Just painful

Akinbahm:
Am of the opinion that if a squad is okay they will still go far irrespective of the coach appointed unless the coach philosophy is not similar to that of the squad he met on ground which reverse will b the case.

Coach is easier to b freed of his appointment while that of players is very hard. ]I don't know why some fans are putting larger blame on Emery for loosing to Chelsea in Baku whereas reverse seems to b the case.

The reason I started supporting Emery after his sack is/was I realised majority of these players lack basic things footballer should possessed.

It's not coincidence when Emery took charge there's massive improvement and of all sudden they dropped drastically same as Arteta. I think we have to start questioning these players because of our sanity.

Lastly, the whole crap is on the owner who failed to state what they want from both players and coaches. Fkhalifah said and I quote he said "Chelsea as a case study shows what ambitious team does from the owner down to the players want to carry Trophy back2back failure from either coach or players they are shown the exit door irrespective of what you acquired for the team in the past" is it same with Arsenal NO if we fail to tackle the problem from the root source (owner) we will still b dangling inside the problem.

I very very much agree our owner is the main issue. Yes.
But a good coach with good players can mask a lot of things.
But I disagree with the fact that any coach with an Okay squad will go far. I think you're underestimating the impact of coach in a team. You see that present man city squad, I assure you give Ole or Nuno espirito that squad and they won't win the league or be dominant the way guardiola is. That's just an example of the impactful a coach is.

As for Emery, while it's not his fault that he failed at arsenal (bought him pepe instead of zaha and sold iwobi one of his most used players), but then he made us worse than what we initially are.
I don't blame him for the final loss, in fact till this day na curse I dey curse kolasinac cos he was the one who sold that final in the first half.
Anyways, I just hope the board is changed and those our invincible team and Ek take over. Till then I'll be watching to see how Arteta fares next season

Akinbahm:
I agree on that of quality but strongly disagree on that of attitude. Maybe you are looking at it from the Young players perspective Tierney included.

Looking deeply at the squad, you're right

Spy360:
I'd say, the squad lacked balance. There were too many cases of players in positions not suited to them due to lack of expertise in those areas. The quality we found were those of the young lads who discovered themselves. It's still those lads that showed the little attitude we saw.

I'd give Arteta credit for improving our defending, but sticks for killing the attack. He did lack an AM over much of the season, but when he had two (ESR and Odegaard) couldn't use them effectively.

He will have less matches to play next season, and so more time to transmit his ideas. This is the kind of situation that would have suited a rookie like him to kick start his career. [b]If he gets this opportunity, (as it's seeming likely) he should not be spared if we don't stay top 3 by October ending with genuine push for top fou[/b]r.

I buy this opinion.
Fingers crossed on Arteta tho

Fkhalifa:
Na true sha, No much quality Auba's attitude alone is super terrible.

Yeah... Auba attitude is damn weak

Spy360:
Brother you did not get my analogy. I said one causative factor cannot produce two opposite feelings. For example, if I slap you and it makes you angry, the same slap cannot make you happy even if it's in another time frame.

The same Wenger's methods that produced strong mentality cannot produce weak mentality years after.

The issue of player mentality have been dealt with in my previous post.

Cheers!

Lol, if you don't know a player who's mentally strong but is team mates with those who's mentally weak will with time become mentally weak?
You think it's just luck or coincidence arsene buys mentally weak players and someone like guardiola klopp or simeone buys mentally strong players?
Nah!!! I'll it's not possible

Spy360:
That's what I am saying. The problem is us not Emery. Until we get it right, any coach that comes will fail. So let's not paint Emery as a failure because very few coaches will succeed under this setup.

Then let's get those coaches.
Emery is a failure here, no how una wan paint am

Spy360:
Arsenal made a decision. That's the same thing I am asking you. Thinking retrospectively, who would you choose between both, that is the simple question.

I had a strong support for the appointment of Arteta. I believed in him. I canvased for him. But I have seen that he wasn't ready to handle the task given him. The board itself didn't help matters with all the politics going on. It was a gamble that failed. I admit mine. He may be given the time to start afresh, but the past year was a failure. A failure that showed when he couldn't beat a weaker team coached by his predecessor.

I still don't get this.
When both didn't have the role initially, Emery was chosen over Arteta. Who would at first choose Arteta over Emery?

Then Emery failed and Arteta was now chosen.
So why then are you asking me if I'm to choose between the two. Emery is past tense, no need bringing Emery up just cos he won us. Emery actually coached us and failed.

What's hard to understand there?

Spy360:
You cannot attribute two opposites to one causative factor. What makes you sad cannot make you happy. That's logic. See?

time frame matters.
What/who made you sad 3yrs ago can actually be the same thing/person that can make you happy 10yrs later.

Everyone is saying Arteta out now, Arteta is inexperienced and all.

But if by next season, Arteta one way or the other wins the pl and fa cup and the next 2 yrs win the champions league while playing great football, everybody tune will change on how Arteta should be given a life contract.

So would I be wrong to attribute 2 opposite factors about Arteta in years time when describing him?

Spy360:
So Wenger made all those players mentally weak? That is to say that if a player/team is mentally weak then it's the coach that made them so.

I am just trying to get your point.

Yes!
A team is the reflection of the coach.
How this is hard for you to understand is what I don't know.

Roland17:
It looks like clear-out is serious this time and has commenced.

Luiz is leaving
According to DiMarzio, and Fabrizo, Willian does not want to return and is 100% set to leave Arsenal.
Xhaka has commenced negotiations with AS Roma, A Bundesliga is also interested but he looks set to join Mourinho at Roma.

May the spirit of this clear-out not be a smokescreen

Yeah.
Luiz has already given his goodbye speech sef

Well, if the clear outs commence and happens, I'll need to know who is coming in before getting my hopes up.
Also, please they shouldn't renew lacazette contract abeg

handelex:
I've trying to delete the memory of this game from my mind... don't go into details please

Fkhalifa:
This is one of the worst Arsenal sides I have ever witnessed. Not in quality but in attitude, will to win, turn up at important games, motivation etc. etc. There are a few quality players especially in some of the youngsters who are in danger of being overplayed. When results don’t matter we suddenly win 5 meaningless games in a row at the end of the season I will sit and take notice if we win the FIRST 5 games of next season. The sad fact is, we have become a mid table side with a mountain to climb to even get back to our previous default position of top 4 in the EPL. #copied

Attitude and Motivation, another pressing issue I feel can only be solved by flushing half the squad and bringing in energetic and spirited players like the Sanchez and Kantes.

To me I feel it's the reverse. This squad is poor in quality but have a better attitude compared to their Walcott set.
What killed this squad is quality.

No great Am and weak midfield
No great winger(don't call me Pepe yet please and saka is still too young for the year round hutsle)
No great cf. Declining auba and limited Laca

I'll just say our back is okayy or slightly on par with previous arsenal team.

To me, the lack of quality is glaring but at least the attitude is a bit better

Akinbahm:
He got potential though if you ask me but Arsenal job seems to be bigger than his head well, I hope he prove me wrong later sha...

True.... He got potential

I just hope he prove us all wrong this coming season sha. Read on a popular tabloid that arsenal is 3rd on the table when the starts ranking from the 24th of December to 23rd of may
Also, that's the time our play considerably improved. So I'm just a bit hopeful

On a side note, I still have a pending discussion with you. But I'll bring it up after I've done my season's rating this weekend

Spy360:
The problem as mentioned was replacing him with Arteta. If you have to choose between Emery and Arteta who would you choose?

We've seen the worst of Emery then. The Arteta appointment looks like a gamble the board was/is willing to give time

Same way zidane or guardiola is given gambled appointment by both Madrid and barca is the same way Arteta is given such appointment. It's only a matter of time before we know whether the board made wrong decision or not.

Like blueray said, we know Arteta was inexperienced before giving him the job but we still backed him and hope for the best unless he fvxjks up. So to me, I don't see the reason why we should be comparing Arteta with Emery

Spy360:
You will accuse me of being emotional. But, when you said Wenger brought, you sound like he had options of either Kim Kardashian or Christiano Milan

Do you even believe what you wrote?
So no better player in the market except injured 31yr old Kim kallstrom?
You're funny

Spy360:
You said he raised the mentality in the club and also brought it down, -true or false?

Then I said, it doesn't make sense to me.

Why doesn't it make sense?
That you don't want to answer.

Bring facts up let's hear, not just saying "it doesn't make sense"

Spy360:
What other mistakes did Wenger make? Those talking about Wenger's mentality probably never watched a team he coached.

1.. only a team that has a coach that's mentally weak will receive 6-0 on the coach's 1000th game in charge from the hands of his fiercest rival. Worst part is that the rival insulted the coach days before the wayar-ing

2... Only a mentally weak team will collect 5-1s back to back to back by from a particular club

3.. Only a mentally weak team will falter once the pressure is much. Arsenal during Wenger always top the table but falter around dec or Feb. It's a norm

I don't want to talk about the Cricket scores we collect from fellow top4 hopefuls.

Bro, If you're still stuck with Wenger of pre 2008 era then that's your luck. I'm not

Spy360:
It makes more sense than what you stated of him.

false...
I'm criticizing his action about what he did to our club. You want me to attack his person which I can never subscribe to.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you there

Fkhalifa:
You still do not get or agree with some of my points and I don't know how to explain further than I've done.

Summarily, My point is Unai Emery has proven he is not a bad manager( with his trophies in Europe and France), good enough to take Arsenal to Europe only if the board were financially ambitious enough, and have players who can fight with blood on the pitch as we've seen with his previous teams... Dazzal

Lol... I get your point.
True tho

Expert17:
With Villareal's weak attack?

How many clear chance was created through out the game.





Your foolish GK, can't follow simple instructions.

This is the main reason why foolish ole wanted the game to enter penalties. Reason why he brought in Pk specialists towards end of the game. Cos he had confidence in de gea thinking his guy has done his home work well

Well, I don talk am before, if de gea na uni student, even with all the cheat sheet him for don get plenty carry overs
This just proved me right

SodO9:
Omo Leno wan die no be small
But which kind stupid tactics go they allow opponents fire shots at your keeper
Emery na bastard abeg, why the werey no try am with scummies or against us

omo, Leno wan die that season sha. Na so our midfield go turn express, straight to defence Shots wey Leno dey receive then eh, if na diz season Leno, na we and Fulham abi Westbrom for dey drag who suppose dey 18th

Him don learn na. Sha me I also believed arsenal experience strengthened him with this his present adventure in Villarreal

Fkhalifa:
You don't get me, Arsenal was like relegation threatened teams who often call up on Allardyce to safe them, I only used that simile to buttress why Emery wasn't hired majorly to win the league or UCL but rather take midtable teams back to UCL which I feel he was good enough and could have achieved in a [b]sane environment he proved again yesterday anyways.tgsb

You said Emery failed in his first season but if you look deep inward you'll know with the bad Atmosphere he had, he alone shouldn't take the entire blame...

If you consider facts like him having no say on players signings and no backing from the board( Which serious club concentrates on bringing Retirees like Luiz and Litchtener while your rivals were signing the Maguire,V.dijk and Laporte) who allowed players to disrespect mock the coach...

Also, club where every players are mostly insipid and lackadaisical with zero fight of every drop of their sweat and blood...

Bro, The problem is the mentality and atmosphere around the club from the owner to the board to the coaching crew and players even to some of the fans.

I want to see how Pep and Klopp will survive competiting with Luiz,Mustafi,Kolasinac,Litchtener against Laporte,Diaz, V.dijk and Maguire.

1...I get your point but then you're looking at Emery as a coach that can take a mid table team to champions league. That I felt was your mistake. Arsenal was not a mid table team, we were always top 4 contenders and the board hired him for such, not that the hired him for us to be finishing 6th and 7th while winning Europa.

2... When he came initially, the atmosphere was bright and all. Everyone wanted to play for him. If it later turned sour, maybe he should look at himself also. Bear in mind that he wasn't able to fully control a room with neymar, mbappe and cavani, how much more a volatile personality like ozil.

3... I think he sanctioned the transfer of guen and torreira with sokratis. Maybe aside lichs, but he sanctioned those first 3

4... As for the lackadaisical attitude and mentality, it's the job of the coach to make them winners. Klopp did it when he came to Liverpool. You could see his fighting spirit in the team. I give it to Emery that he started giving them that winner's attitude and improve our mentality, but along the line he lost his way. Reason why our first season ended poorly and his 2nd season was damn so bad.

And as for klopp and guardiola, why they might not win trophies with this present squad, buy one thing is certain, you'll surely see improvement in play and mentality. With those two attributes added, he can then phase them out gradually while bringing his players. Emery didn't reach the stage to phase them out gradually reason why he was axed.

Hope you get my point tho

BlueRayDick:
If u hear them talk about "Good Ebening" glowingly u will think he's some pep Guardiola reincarnate or something. The Spaniard Kadiri Ikana actually finished 7th in the La Liga in a season which Barca, Madrid and Sevilla with their aging squad were not in great form.....Yet na 7th Good Ebening carry.

The fact is even if u buy that guy the whole Dortmund team and their budding talents, the highest "Good Ebening" will get you is to win one cup competition and then maybe qualify for Europa the next season. He is a cup competition coach and won't get you far in the league. Like u rightly said, this man will win Europa with Sevilla, qualify for Champions league and still drop back to Europa ...... Isn't that some crazy shit? Funny enough he has qualified for Champions league tru Europa cup now, my eyes are certainly on him to see if his Leopard will change his spots next year.

Arteta as rookie manager won F.A cup in his first full season and was almost going to make another cup final before he outdid himself. I'm all for replacing Arteta if we get a top coach willing to take the job, but I will never agree a little patience from the fans would've turn around our fortune under "Good Ebening " ; that guy exhausted our patience and he got what was coming to him.

Lol... Na the bolded vex me with Arteta big time. If Emery had tactically outwitted Arteta with his average players, I won't have much complains but it's Arteta that outdid himself. Even the 2nd leg just proved mother luck was with Villarreal with 3 bars hit even with our insipid display.
Anyhow sha, it's all good and kudos to Emery this king of Europa. No matter how, it's not an easy feat for him to achieve

SodO9:
I fear for Leno's life that year, it's as if na shots go kill am

Lol... Na the main reason why I no too vex when we sell Martinez, not knowing it'll come back to haunt us.
Well, next season dey sha

Akinbahm:
We are waiting patiently for Arteta next season.

Yeah...
Hopefully, he'll get a full preseason to himself plus no Europe distraction. Seeing that stupid won't sack him, let me be a little optimistic and see what he can do

handelex:

Na true na.
I was expecting how you guys to play or ball Villarreal then a stroke of luck or Pks will decide it in favor of Villarreal seeing how poor they are.

But seeing man u display such nonsense ystdy and Ole doing nothing just weak me. Just like expecting a tough fight from a big strong fighter only to find out the fighter na just big for nothing. Na so I weak ystdy. Then ole subs, decision and mentality was shocking to the very very core. Like say Villarreal bribe am