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hensben:
No one will call xavi or iniesta overrated except you are comparing them to their equal in football world. The fact that people start pointing out iniesta lapses when being compared to Zidane doesn’t make him bad. Understand context bro. But for bousq, he was just an ok player, nothing extraordinary in his play. He is even bad in primary duty as a DM. Barca possession in their prime covered his defensive lapses. Valdez and bousq are just ok player in that team, the fact that prefer them due to ball playing doesn’t make them great in their primary duty. I believe pep will play Valdez ahead of Buffon or casillas or cech due to ball playing goalkeeper. But outside Barca system players like bousq and Valdez will be normal player, just like Jorg and rodri, most football fan don’t rate them

but you just see someone threatening to rubbish xavi isn't it?
Maybe I don't know the meaning of rubbish again sha, but rubbish is not something someone have to associate with xavi or anyone except that person is seen as overrated.

Messi is better than robben, but no context will make someone threaten to "rubbish" robben except of course they feel he's a tad overrated in that Bayern squad.
Or am I missing something?

patrickmuf:
Bruno again with another poor performance...

That guy should be reminded his job is to create chances and not to score especially as he has two very defensive minded players behind him...You don't leave the midfield in search of goals...

I have always resisted the urge to point out his flaws especially when playing for Manchester United but not anymore, he has to realize his role on the pitch...

Lol... If we're being honest, this is exactly what Tr.evor have been saying.
Maybe he might go too overboard or been too overbearing at times, but this exactly what he's been saying

Debroslink:
I agree with everything you said except the bold. Iniesta made Xavi a god in midfield.

Don't make me rubbish Xavi.

Nna na wa ooo

To some Busquet rubbish
To some iniesta overrated
To some xavi overrated

Who come dey hold that midfield during Spain and barca dominant years na?

Spy360:
I don't want to put much burden on Balogun. We must allow him to develop slowly.

Balogun is 19yrs. I don't see how he can't vie for 2nd choice striker in view of becoming a first team striker the following season

At least, let's know our stand on him and make him ready. It's not as if he's a 16 or 17yr old guy oo.
By next season(after this coming season) he'll be 20yrs. I don't think that will be too young to become a first team player if he's ready

popizaino:
If na by combative DM Africans for dey do well in the world cup .

Cameroon sef for don carry like 5 WC

Kilishihunter:
Yaya toure and seydou keita had to accept less playing times or play at CB in place of busquets, were they not good CDMs too? You think a fraud could vibe with xavi and iniesta in that midfield without being found out? He played under del Bosque and Luis Enrique and still worked on that midfield, were they pep? Think again bro

Most people no wan answer this question sha...
Upon all the cdm and DMs bought, yet busquet is still maintaining his position.
Maybe na jazz him dey use

donstan18:
Depends on the league too.

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Anyhow sha

hensben:
Bousq and Jorg look scared while playing, they are quick to release the ball and crumble under pressure. Pep over sabi is the cause of this type of DM, it’s not suppose to be popular.

Jorg maybe...
But busq is one player that's really press resistant.

airmark:
Years he was at his peak? Yet some Barca fans couldn't stand his weaknesses during this period.

Those gifs i posted were within the bracket, while other Barca key players made Fifa best 11 during this period, he was never picked.

2020



2014 attached below. Same spineless Busquets.

Those gifs you posted, like popi.zaino said doesn't mean anything. Even kante, people can show you gifs of how he was dribbled. Does that make him less of a player? No.

Anyways, that same period you people are criticizing busquet, check deeper that same 2014 and people are there who still praise him.
Heck, is it not still this thread some people said kante was playing nonsense and let him be sold? Should I now use that to belittle who kante really is?

popizaino:
No way that you're an arsenal fan.
Come and support Chelsea. Forms are available for you and Patrick alone .

Lol....
Football any day is brains over power.
Smartness over unnecessary hardwork.

As for the form... Thanks but arsenal till I vanish

donstan18:
Depends on the manager.

Yeah, any manager that deals on ball retention and attacking play.

hensben:
Yes of course, he was carried in both teams. It’s not hate on bousq I’m telling you how it is.

okay oo...
If you say so

airmark:
What year did Busquets cease to be in his prime?

2008-2016

hensben:
Bousq and prime is a myth. In reality, bousq was never in any prime, he was carried by the superior players in that Barca team then. If he was ever in his prime show me his individual honor.

Lol...
Busquet carried by barca and Spain squad? Nice.

hensben:
Again not true, only pep and Sarri will do that. You saw how pep almost ruined Bayern in European football with his no tackle pattern

True..
But technical DMs always brings calmness.
Carrick, busquet and even fabinho are all good technical DMs

Ibime:
Busquet will not even displace an Oriol Romeu right now.

Many things exposed Busquet, not only faster pace of football - including losing Xavi who controls the ball for him so opponents can't attack him. Nothing to do with age.

When a fancy ball playing DM wins UCL, we never hear the last of it from ninnies. When Casemiro type DM was winning UCL back to back, nobody came touting it as the superiority of combative DM. Most titles are won by combative DMs but when a Busquets, Rodri or Jorginho win something, we won't hear word.

Who told you Hojberg is not a passing DM? Just like Fernandinho I look for DM that can pass and hustle. First time I saw Hojberg was live at Etihad stadium playing for Bayern Vs Man City. He was an AM then, and he had a lot of pace plus good passing ability. I was impressed with his transition to DM over the last two years that's why I pinpointed him as a potential signing for Chelsea. When it comes to passing, Hojberg is one of the best. He made the 2nd most passes in EPL this season behind Rodri

Nobody is saying combative DM isn't good, but it's you guys that are belittling technical DMs. In fact, I don't remember anybody hyping technical DMs as you put it.

One thing I believe you know is that technical DMs are scarce and not readily available unlike combative DMs. Also technical DMs will always bench combative DM in a top attacking team cos they give calmness in most combative DMs don't

hensben:
You mean counter attacking coaches.

defensive minded coaches wouldn't want busquet in their team

hensben:
Jorg will do same thing that bousq did for Barca the reason they are on same level. There is a reason pep wanted Jorg for man city. If he signed for pep you would’ve confirmed what I am saying now.

Jorg wanted him for man city, same way he wanted sane for man city.
Even rodri that's in man city, him no even reach prime busquet level.

So, Does that mean sane is same level as messi or gundogan is same level as iniesta cos he bought them?

hensben:
Not in every team and for every coach.

only negative minded coaches of course

hensben:
Was carrick the best DM during his time? But I like carrick because he was strong and play DM like Matic, carrick was matic level and werrr better than rodri, bosq and Jorg. Alonso and Pirlo na their daddy. But you see Bousquet, Jorg and rodri na scam them be for that role. Pep gave that platform to bosq due to his pattern of play.

Carrick was highly rated and the reason you're saying he's matic level is because both played in EPL and busquet played in la liga.

And for the umpteenth time, busquet with rodri and jorginho no be mate.
No dey put dem for one sentence abeg

Ibime:
Stop using age excuse. Busquets been wack since his mid twenties.

It's not age. Football changed . . . and he is not equipped for.modern era. He is no longer facing Rooney, Lampard, Scholes, Malouda etc who will sit back for 90 minutes and advance slowly

He is now facing faster players who press high and will run him to shege such as Mane, Salah type players.

Same as Fabregas, he belongs to a previous era and is completely wack in this era.

When people's favourite players have been wack since their mid twenties, they conveniently reach for age excuse. Nothing to do with age, he is just redundant in modern football.

Wack since mid twenties?

How many faster players is he facing in la liga that he's putting up underwhelming displays presently?

Busquet have drop form, and also his speed dropped due to age.

One thing you fail to understand is that football is not just faster only, as you put it but also highly technical now. Reason why a prime busquet will displace a prime khedira or hojgberg anyday, anytime, anywhere.

hensben:
It is the likes of gattuso, vidal and Kante that make defensive tackles for this type of DM. In Bousquet’s case, Barca football dominance covered his ass all those years. Iniesta and xavi were the X factor in that midfield, Bousquet was doing the basics, this is why fifa and governing body never awarded him meanwhile Pirlo and Alonso played same role and were recognized individually due to their quality and delightful play.

Alonso had khedira and mascherano to cover his play as cm or Am. Pirlo mostly played as Am when he was young.

Since mascherano is so good, why didn't he bench busquet since what xavi and iniesta just needed was a mascherano type presence if busquet was just "ok".

Why was busquet always starting Spain match alongside with xavi, iniesta and Alonso in 2010 world cup, but if the coach wants to do sub in the midfield, the first person he'll sub is always always always Alonso?.

Why did someone like Carrick shone in the DM role when EPL was EPL and really strong, but you feel someone like busquet won't?

Vidal, mascherano, song, all went to barca at the peak of their powers yet they all shifted back to cb or were in the bench. In fact, try watching their games wen any of those trio play and you'll see they aren't in sync with that midfield. You think busquet is just there for fashion?

I laugh

Trevor012:
Quality how? If Rodri, Busquet etc are not quality players as Dm then Pirlo was rubbish as well in that same role.

Abi ooo...
Busquet is not quality in his role but pirlo is.

Na wa

swiz123:
I know how you feel about Busquet; I even like him more than you, but dude has become so bad as a DM.

In his prime, it is Haram to compare him to Rodri and Jorginho. He is too intelligent, hardly ever dispossessed, always picks the right pass, incredible reading of the game to make timely interceptions.

But for some years now, he has become too slow and lacks stamina to cover grounds and control mildfield for 90 minutes. And this deficiency of his is being heightened by Barca's poor defence. A slow DM playing with this current Barca side is on a suicidal mission.

Now this is an unbiased and honest take on who busquet is.
Busquet might have drop of form due to age but saying prime busquet is overrated or prime busquet wouldn't make it in premier league is a big lie except he's playing in a lower team like Norwich and Burnley. That was how many thought that DMs ought to be like gatusso, makalele and the likes until the likes of busquets and carrick proved otherwise with their great reading of the games and interceptions. Mascherano, song and toure had to play cb cos of busquet cos they couldn't bring that calmness in DM as he brings yet people feel he is overrated.

Now that the likes of busquets and carrick calibre are going to extinction, they've reverted back to "you need runners and good DMs again like hojgberg and all". It's just dishonest to call busquet(one of the most intelligent DMs in the world during his prime) overrated

Cc: Popizaino

BlueAngel444:
the drama never ends

I tell you

Spy360:
The whole discuss.

How on earth can one match be enough to convince me to spend millions on a player?

Lol ask Sod09 ooo.
Na only him get answer to that cos even me surprise wen I see am

Spy360:
You have not taken the possibility of injuries into consideration and the fact that the AFCON and Olympics will draw away many youngsters.

That aside, with Auba aging, Balogun may become our ESR next season if we fail to get a decent support for him. Besides Auba will leave after next season, so it will also be a safe period to try out his replacement.

Well, I admit I didn't factor in afcon but I'm not sure most of our important players(youngsters) will go for Olympics.

Keeping fingers crossed sha on balogun. Just wanna see what he got in store next season for us.

Spy360:
It's a senseless deal offcourse but it's not my money that's my point.

Even if it's Arsenal's loss, it's still Kroenke that owns it. Nor be so?

Lol.... Abi.
Na so sha

The day Pique go enter person Hand eh...
That day we will hear how Pique

1... Bottled a 4-1 lead to Roma
2.. Bottled a 3-0 lead to Liverpool
3... Conceded 8 goals against Bayern
4... Chop 4 goals against PSG but was redeemed by uefalona

Yesterday na messi fault
Today na busquest fault

We dey wait for Pique own tomorrow

CapitalCee:
You took this out of mouth. I scan through players of other countries most players there are even playing championship or Obscure leagues. Czech, Sweden, Wales, Slovakia etc but they play better. Even Spain and Netherland check their players most are just very average. For example Dumfries of PsV and Patrick van Aanholt are starting for Netherlands at wing back, van Aanholt is not even a guaranteed stater at Palace, their attack is Depay and Weghorst, none will get a starting place in any top 4 club. The issue with England is just the technical ability of the handlers

I swear down.
No more no less to add!

Spy360:
Let Kroenke suffer loss. If White is better than what we've got, no qualms. I doubt it though.

Whether white is better than what we got or not is irrelevant. Even if balon dor van dijk or Ramos is available for 50m, it'll be foolishness to buy any now. For crying out loud, our defence isn't doing so badly and we still have saliba to add to that list(who himself isn't bad on his loan). What we need is creativity and goal scorers and even fullbacks. Adding another Cb is foolishness and misplaced priority of the highest order.

And this isn't kroenke loss but arsenal as a club loss... It just shows if the reports are genuine that Edu and Arteta and Scams

Spy360:
You are assuming Auba will be Auba. But I am doubting that seriously. If not that he has extended already, I would have said release him. Even if we put him up for sale tomorrow, no one will ask of him without cutting our throats.

We need another striker. He does not have to be Isak, but someone that is decent enough. There are some decent strikers in leagues eastern Europe that can serve us as both a backup for Auba and support for Balogun. Martinelli for me isnt cut out for CF.

Let's look it this way. Auba can't go to the bench(cos he has signed contract and a huge pay, plus he's the captain). Meaning he'll play most matches, especially as we don't have any Europe distraction. Buying another striker will surely surely take away balogun growth time, cos I don't expect Auba to sit out for that striker. So the best is to use that to grow balogun, and in most cases blend balogun and auba up top together. (Just the way Wenger blended henry and Rvp and prepared Rvp for the striker role)
Everyone knows Auba isn't auba of before, but one thing I'm certain is that arsenal as a club won't bench auba esp when he's still a core member of the team.
Let that money be better served for winger.
Well, the only reason I might consider we buy a striker is if auba will agree to become 2nd choice striker. Finish!
Else, if we buy another striker, we might as well loan out balogun than killing his career on the bench. Cos definitely balogun won't see game time at all