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mostob:
Yea, Burndisleaguedown too
I was actually using him as an example of old coaches not talking about his prowess.

oh.. Ok.
You put him in the midst of their fergie and mourinho na why I talk na...

But no mind me, I get your point tho

mostob:
I think the emtertainment aspect has to do with the league. Serie A is more entertaining than EPL. IMO
Tata Martino, former Barca coach. He took charge after Villanova i think .

my opinion tho, I think German league is the most entertaining. Seria A I watched like 2 different ones, I almost sleep. Lol.


Tata Martino ke? Since after guardiola, no better coach bin coach barca. Maybe Tito(may his soul RIP) would have been, but aside that, the rest are just average Jones. Enrique was lucky he met peak MSN to guide them to treble.
Martino, that one dey use cane pursue for barca... Lol

iamoyindamola:
Very good write up, I agree totally and to add to what bluraydick said.
We now have smaller teams competing with the big boys in the transfer Market which wasn't so before.
We have some over hyped players sold at an alarming high rate and so on.
Football now evolve from art/entertainment to business oriented

Nothing dey pain me reach that bolded up there...
Person will just shine for half season, price tag will be on top his head like 100m.
Even if the person is talented, 8/10 of such will flop. And I think that's another factor that add to it

mostob:
I got your point bro. Infact I recently watch the 2006 WC match between France and Brazil.. One reason for the change is the revolution in coaching. There was a time Ferguson,Wenger,Mourinho,Martino et al were dominating but now younger coaches with crazy tactics have evolved..we have Julian,Pep,Arteta and so on.
These young coaches came with new ideas and inventions which totally eliminate some arts of football we usually noticed many years ago.

. Yeah..
But I thought the crazy tactics will make the game more entertaining than before.
But if you look now, it's less entertaining.

I remember during lvg era in man u stint, he emphasizes on pass pass pass. With the way he was emphasizing on his pass and his "filosofi" I'm tempted to think then that he normally uses mathematical calculation to know the passes and pass distance each player must make. Lol
Also, I remember him giving a room that attackers must trap (or take a touch) before taking a shot. All these are the systems I'm talking about. I remember man u played one of the most boring football in EPL then even though they finished 5th. But I get your point tho...








By the way, who's Martino??

96forever:
yea, Sancho is world class.

Lol, the way una dey bandy the word "world class" eh.
Sancho world class?? I laff in swahi-pidgin

BlueRayDick:
I get Ur point, but creativity in football is relative. Football has moved beyond having some slicky-ass player handed your number 10 role....Now u need players who would do the running here and there and won't mind getting their hands dirty.

I understand football is an art, but what we have today with players like De Bruyne and Co is itself an art. The Era of shaku shaku has gone....Now we have defenders who would take u out,bind u to a stretcher for months if u try to make a move they see coming.


While I understand the nostalgia that comes with watching those matches and seeing how free-flowing football is played to coast arsenal or man utd to EPL victory, truth must be told that that Era is long gone. Most EPL teams now have money to set up a team to at least make that almost impossible for u to do. A case in point is Loserpool and man city beating us silly about 2 to 3 years ago; now see with the advent of a coach like Arteta he knows fire for fire won't get u anywhere....Now he just sits, strategize and try to counter whatever they are bringing to the table.with right players. He's not trying to match them strength for strength, rather make life difficult for them to achieve what they set out to achieve

Nice point, bro.
It's true, teams have upgraded unlike before

Akinbahm:
Fkhalifah once scouted for Diego Jota here b4 someone quoted him back saying Jota ko souvenir ni...

This liverpool team make I no talk b4 they tag me hater also.

Lol... Nothing to tag as hater here na. Who wan drag you?

More so, nobody outrightly criticized jota like that oo, what most was clamouring for was that Emery is the one making the players look bad and not that we've that kinda bad players the way it was made to be then

96forever:
Pepe is one season wonder.

one season wonder or not, it doesn't really matter tbh..
Mbappe was a one season wonder too(at Monaco), yet he still lived up to expectations(at PSG)

Ok...

So I recently watched arsenal 2003/2004 matches (extended highlights of all of them), and then I realize how far football has changed(as a whole, not just arsenal).

Football, I believe was suppose to be an art and entertainment(more of good individuals), but with the way things are now, it's all about the system(less of good individuals).

The team of 2003/2004 has a lot of creative players. Aside bergkamp(which is the obvious king), Vieira, Henry, Pires, Gilberto Silva were creative and exciting to watch. Football those days were exciting, as they were less boring game and nothing like low block defending.

But now, you see a player who's really creative sitting on the bench for a player who knows how to run around on the pitch.
You'll see a player who knows how to dribble(winger) sitting on the bench for one who knows how to defend(winger).
The game changed from art/entertainment to system/result driven at all cost. While I'm not begrudging the change, but I feel it makes football less entertaining unlike what we have 10-15years ago. The species of rosicky and bergkamp are going into extinction for the species of xhaka and elneny.

What is your view guys...
I would love to hear from some of you guys.

Spy360, Roland17, kokaneprodigy, iamoyindamola, Blueraydick , mostob, KBS, Akinbahm

thorrvik55:
Hypocrisy at it's peak..
The worst part is it's only Henderson that's still a Liverpool player from the players he met when he came to England. If Henderson wasn't captain, he probably would have been shipped out for someone else too

Sure
What about Firmino

96forever:
none are better than Sancho, only Messi outperformed Sancho as a winger in la Liga only Messi
Sancho is the key to success

.

Na so the previous season, no body outperformed Pepe as a winger too at lille aside same messi

Issorait

Na wa oo.
Clubs they agree with player's parent club first, then thrash agreement with the player (which obviously doesn't take much time).
Una go first agree terms with players first before meeting his club..

O wrong nao

iamoyindamola:
Exactly
Why Madrid jersey
The guy is one big motherfucking hypocrite
A shameless one at that
Jodera remember that China case too it's part of it

Lol... Yeah. I remember oo. I believe all those things add to it. And him too, him no dey try

mostob:
Why Madrid jersey? Honouring the contract my foot.

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iamoyindamola:
He complained about how some are just earning higher without working hard, maybe it's part of his drop in form no one knows

lol... Maybe!

iamoyindamola:
Bro the squad, management and even fans don't want him again....he's like a cancer
Don't forget ozil contributed to Ramsey issue and also mhki complained about same thing

Ah...
Please what did mkhi complain, maybe I missed that

mostob:
Your last paragraph might be the main reason.
Anyway, we are just one game into the season, let us just observe as e dey go...

Yeah... That's my thoughts cos it's just so sudden and abnormal

Spy360:
You must look at it based on context.

Ozil has had disciplinary issues with the club. Right now Arsenal is selling to raise funds for future developments. We have sold Martinez and soon Torriera, Sead, and Socrates may leave too. We are selling these because we can't assure them of first team football, and they have agreed to leave for the sake of their career and the club.

Last season Ozil hardly kicked a ball due to his situation with the club, why would he choose such path again this season?

If a player chooses to leave the club will only demand a fee, but why would a player refuse to move even when the club has clearly stated he is not needed around?

Don't get me wrong, I have stated here that I would rather we reconcile with him and use him because I feel he is our most creative player. But if for any reason Arteta won't use him and there are other options he can take, why punish himself just to punish the club?

You're right tho...
I agree with you..

Esp with the bolded.

mostob:
I understands your POV bro but there are some things going on within that we the fans may not know. We all know Ozil is kinda egoistic. Maybe he failed to adhere to the coach's instructions in training or he exhibited his usual 'I can't kill myself' attitude.
To be frank,our current formation and playing pattern can not accommodate him.

I solemnly agree with this cos even I wouldn't want ozil in the first 11.

But I feel he can be good enough for cup competitions and Europa(group stage). Totally freezing him out cos he wants to "honour" his contract is unfair.

Moreover, I don't think it's his attitude that caused it. Before the pandemic, he and Arteta were very close. On many situation, Arteta talked how ozil was important to the team. How that changed so instantly is beyond me. Ozil himself acknowledged that Arteta didn't even give him any reason nor talk to him before freezing him out of the squad.

Me I'm thinking it's from the "ogas at the top" who wants to punish him for maybe not agreeing to cut down his wage due to corona issues

iamoyindamola:
It's obvious the frog eyes is at fault now, even if arsenal were at fault before.
3 managers complained about him haba
Thunder fire wengay for put us in this mess

I know ozil might be at fault, but then I've this feeling it is more than Arteta's power not to put him. There's something clearly wrong somewhere.
Arteta who loved him before the pandemic suddenly just started not putting him in the squad (not bench o). He was clearly in our first team during Arteta's time before the pandemic, how he suddenly just got frozen out is what I don't understand.
I feel ozil too knows, that's why he's frustrating their efforts. But I feel the club should just look for a way, even if it's only carabao cup and fa cup sef, then it's better. At least he gets to play his money and we'll get to see ozil. All these intended freezing out of ozil doesn't make sense one bit

But realistically, who's at fault between Arsenal and Ozil?
Ozil says he's an arsenal player who still has a contract and he says he wants to finish it.
Arsenal says they don't need ozil and that he must go...(as they no longer want his services)
Ozil always reiterates that he's always available and would love to play for arsenal wen called upon.
Arsenal says NO, he must go, and Ozil blatantly refused.


Without sentiments or emotions, who do you think is right?
Arsenal or Ozil?


I will definitely go for Ozil.
I mean, if you don't want to play a player in the league, how about europa league and cup competition?
He can be used for cup depth instead of just freezing him out. I know his wage is much, but then he just have only 1 yr on his contract.
If the situation is turned, (the club needing him and Ozil saying he wants to go while under contract), I'm sure most of us will call him traitor.

Kbs468:
But you saw the Link to the tweet at least.

Klopp actually said it though and maybe reason being that it's because we are becoming increasingly difficult to be beaten by his Liverpool team though.

Not also forgetting that Mikel Arteta had the better of some of the top 6 teams last season

Actually, I tried clicking on the link, but it didn't open. Maybe it's from my ends, but it's not opening tho.

Also, I've not seen it on any other reputable sport sites wen I checked it.
Not taking anything away from you tho, we really appreciate what you're doing here, by dropping arsenal credible news. Kudos to you!!

Spy360:
Off course, how we see ourselves matters not to become over confident. Those words up there were from a colleague who is a Man Utd fan. We can check our expectations but we cannot do anything about how others see us. But then it means we are doing the right things.

Yeah... Agreed

Spy360:
But really other clubs are now scared of us because of what Arteta has brought. Remember we beat Liverpool twice and City towards the end of last season. Then when they see our new signings making the kind of impact they made against Fulham,...

Bros, I'll tell you to tone down your expectations. The way you're saying it now, someone will think we're title contenders.
We are not yet, it's great Arteta has improved us, but let's not get carried away esp with win over Fulham.

iamoyindamola:
E shock me too
The guy wan bring down unlimited trolling and banter here, be like the he no like decorum

Na true oo..
I dey suspect the bolded.

iamoyindamola:
Wtf
Like wtf
Kbs468 they use us catch serious cruise
This kind news they vex me ehn

E tire me oo.
Him no see man city, Chelsea and all
But na us wey top table after match day 1 naim be title contender..
So because we won fa and community shield so we're contenders, as if we aren't winning both normally before.

KBS... No allow us to start dey doubt your news oo

Spy360:
I told you what I said not whether it was correct. Off course I said so then to spite sod09 and pickabeau our two clowns then. Sodick knows why that's why he sings it every day. And I am glad he does, because it keeps him on my robotic mode.

oh, you that talk to catch cruise??
Lol... It's all good tho

Spy360:
There is what is called area of jurisdiction. If you want to judge a fish, place it inside water.

By the way, since Arteta we have been playing without a DM. It's always been a double pivot hence why it seems Xhaka has improved. There is no improvement, it's just him playing his natural role just as he does for his country. That's what Arteta has done. Placing players in their natural role where they feel comfortable. He even got a role for AMN where he can join the midfield and attack has he has always asked for. Ndi analyst hapu m aka. I know I can keep explaining but you people won't learn. Later you will come and say we are going in circles or that's what I have been saying and all those shits.

Na you no wan hear... But then, anything to make feel good is welcomed

Still Laughing out loud here...
Klopp says "no wonder we are top of the league" on match day 1.

Make I hear word say na klopp talk that rubbish

Kbs468:
"Our biggest rivals this season are Arsenal. They won both the FA Cup and the Community Shield Final. It is no surprise they top the league. The question is what can we do to stop them. I fear there is nothing."

- Jürgen Klopp. https:///1d31DxBxkJ

come. Who is the ojuelegba boy that wrote this thing and ascribed it under klopp name...

I can never ever believe klopp said this

Spy360:
You see the problem. You say Xhaka is not a good DM. The question is, is Xhaka a DM?

It's like say, Saka is not a good LB so we should throw him away and buy a better one.

Or

Aubameyang is not a good winger. Let's sell him and buy a proper winger.


AMN has already justified me, so no need picking Blueraydick on this. I believe he has learnt.


Talking about ruthlessness, I am glad Arteta is because it's a quality a good manager needs to have. Interestingly, modern managers lacks it due to pressure from the board and club owners. But let me tell you, in the late 90s and early 2000s as I can recall, managers then we're very ruthless. Do you know how many careers Wenger and Fergie ended because those players were stubborn. Go and check about Boa Morte and Dwight Yorke and both coaches role in ending their careers. Also it was Wenger that finished Vieira.

The thing is Wenger is sympathetic towards younger players due to he understands their age issues. But none I can remember of Wenger's proteges were stubborn towards him except Vieira. RVP was sold to raise money but he never criticised W. publicly.

Lol... Saka is not a lb, but every single one of arsenal fan will prefer him over kolasinac who is a natural lb everyday every time, twice on weekends.
Greenwood is not a winger but every man u fan will prefer him over James who is a natural winger day in day out.
Why am I bringing this? That xhaka isn't a DM doesn't mean he shouldn't play the dm role well or we shouldnt criticise him wen he's playing there. At least, towards the end of last season, he played the DM role the way that's acceptable to we the fans, if he'd played like that before, who would criticise him? At least not me.
It seems you've forgotten how erratic xhaka was.

Spy360:
Mark my words, I did not say Walcott was better player but that he was a better finisher. Even if I was wrong at least that's what I said which is arguable.

Modified : that should be 2012 or 13. Not sure. Omo we have lived long for NL.

When you mean finisher, you meant someone who's expected to score with the little or no chance he had.
And you're calling Walcott? Walcott finishing that improved after Henry's 2nd coming, that I even suspected that it was henry that taught him some finishing techniques sef.

Forget, Walcott was never a better finisher than any Ronaldo.