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ChristineC:
[/b]van Dijk is the best attacking CB while Firmino is the best defensive CF[b]
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[/i]ChristineC 2020[i]

A40:
Not all mistakes are created equal. This was an egregious Kariusesque mistake that you don't game plan from and the other team does not realistically hope to get.

[/b]Liverpool missed chances but as at when the error was made Liverpool were advancing to the next round. You don't know how deflating it can be for your goalkeeper to ruin the hard work of everyone else[b].

Kepa has not made half an error like that in a high stakes game and yet you people are always on his throat

this is really the summary of the match. That mistake just set all Liverpool players in panic mode

Godx:
Football is a game of mistakes but by no means is it solely Adrian'a fault.
Liverpool didn't finish their chances and Oblak had a monstrous performance. You can't attribute the defeat to one player when you have Sadio Mane attempting stupid bicycle kicks, Firmino performing like crap and Chamberlain shooting for no reasons.

I don't see who to blame if not Adrian. Not like a shot was mishandled (which I agree, any keeper makes). But he was been passed the ball to, and he gave a very careless pass, wen he could have been calm, not like they're trailing sef.

Also, I don't see any of Mane's bicycle kick that's a wrong decision. Yes none was on target, but the instance of decision wasn't a wrong one. Also, I want to assume we watched different Chamberlain yesterday

iamoyindamola:
Forget the 2 goals they scored yesterday was cross and nod, same with majority of goals they scored this season.
Adrian is part of the team, sallah and mane couldn't convert their chances.
It's not defensive master class it's tactical masterclass, we have preached this LFC team is no special Simone made it obvious. Ole also got them but his team couldn't finish them off.
Just block the full backs and the useless midfielders to roam about that's it.

Adrian is part of the team, agreed, but he cost the team. There was no reason to hurriedly pass that ball....not like Liverpool was trailing sef.
Salah and Mane missed chances, they created chances and they tried their best. All was undone by just a stupid moment of Adrian. The attack was perfect, oblak was just too great. Yes they crossed, but that's what is expected wen it team parks d bus. But even at that, salah and chamberlain was still doing damages, in terms of breaking 18 and outside the ball shot. Everything was under control until Adrian happened

iamoyindamola:
Direct and purposeful football with 3 DMs.
Bros that bus parking in the middle with the aim of freeing the wing to cross and nod.
Is that football

the way you dey call this cross and nod as if that's only what they did. The Liverpool I watched ystdy did the perfect combination of all. Crosses, defence splitting passes, shots and all. The only person that fücked up ystdy was only Adrian at a critical moment. Before then, athletico was toothless and even their defensive masterclass wasn't so evident yesterday.

patrickmuf:
Are you guys seriously going to excuse Adrian in a bid to say "I told you so"?

Adrian made a terrible mistake and Klopp too should have brought in Fabinho after they went 2 goals up.

Lol, I think everyone is looking for easy way out to bash Liverpool, so it's expected.

Adrian made a costly error that made their qualification to outright elimination. Because of his error, they needed a goal in less than 20mins in order to qualify again. A normal team will have to throw all caution to the wind and go full attack, (even the defence sef), but guys here are blaming van dijk for been an attacking cb as if he had anything to lose at that point.

Well, the match is really a tale of two goal keepers

Fkhalifa:
KANU wasn't that a weakling, he is more like Mahrez, he wasn't weak in thought and ability, just the low energy and pace.
Kanu will take you on,win fouls and penalties.

When I said he was the weakling, was not literal. I said it cos he wasn't in our 1st eleven in that 2003/2004 season. (Just like, not our Strong 11).
I didn't mean he doesn't have the required skills in thought, process or ability.

Spy360:
Forgive your bros Biko.

Lol... No p bro. All na banter, I get

Spy360:
You correct bro. My bad.

Lol... After you don call me small pikin finish.
No p bro...

Spy360:
Sorry.
Thought it was that season Bergkamp retired. Or wasn't it?

Bergkamp left arsenal the last season we reached UCL final. Tho he wasn't featuring much

Spy360:
Don't be silly, Kanu was better than Bergkamp that year.

@Jodera, how was January the weakling in Arsenal 2003? All these small children go dey argue with baba like me.

Actually, wen I called KANU weakling was that he wasn't a starter. I mean, throughout the league I'm not sure his starting appearances reached 10 sef for league. Total appearances that season was 30 for KANU(including Carling, fa, and league). How then is he a regular in arsenal team. A team featuring Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Ljumberg and Wiltord in attack. Where him wan dey start?

BlueRayDick:
Una see Lucas Perez wey no know where post dey for Arsenal, see him in the top 3 goal scorers in La Ligor

Lol... Forget, na Wenger no utilize am. Person wey score 7 goals in 21 matches, as mostly a sub. Na Wenger love for giroud no make us no see him potential well

Fkhalifa:
You see how they look like giants, see Viera

They bossed everywhere, win duels, cover grounds,doesn't chicken out and were brave to the core. 442 will work for them.

Far from slow,weak,soft and laziness.

I swear...you see that team?
Aside KANU that might look like a weakling in that squad, then rest and MEN, both in skills and strength. They can't compare it with the current arsenal presently.

Spy360:
....... Aubameyang... Lacazette.....
Saka... Xhaka.... Ceballos... Pepe
Tierney... Mari.... Luiz.... Bellerin
...................... Leno.........................


................ Nketiah...... Martinelli ...........
Nelson... Guendouzi.. Torriera....... Ozil
Kolasinac.. Socrates.. Mustafi.... Soares
........................... Martinez......................

Well...442 go hardly work. At least, not with the personnel we're having. Also, have you noticed most teams don't use 442 now? Cos of games presently revolves around control of the game and possession-based. With 442, against a team that uses 4231(which wasn't predominant around 2000-2004), our midfield will just collapse. Even against the modern day 433, our midfield will so collapse too.

pamcode:
No it was against sheffield united. The sub was late and came at a time we were under pressure from sheffield.

oh...OK. I tot it was Leicester

Dreamswayne:
Didn't watch the match but I feel playing a CB behind him doesn't help matters! An inside forward like Pepe must have a good connection with the overlapping full back behind him...


He formed a good partnership with Celik at Lille and have been playing with duds since he arrived here!


He starts running with the ball and the supposed full back just backs him and watch him dribble past two or more players before anything can happen...


I'll be frustrated if I was in his shoes, Arteta isn't helping him either by prioritizing only our left side of attack!

You're making good sense tho. But the difference btw him and auba is that he can play the wing role more than auba, that's why the left back is helping auba in attack so that to he can cut in. Pepe he is believed can beat his man one on one, but he hardly does that effectively. Aside our last game in which a cb was by his side, most games bellerin do help him, he doesn't still perform as expected. His decision making is mostly poor also, and he tends to over dribble. Our attack do go through his wing too, but mostly the wing isn't that efficient

pamcode:
It must be against Sheffield United.

it's against Leicester first leg, I think. Where it was 1-1

BlueRayDick:
I honestly do not agree with Ur submission on Ceballos. He only holds on to the ball when Pepe refuses to make a run on the wings. I mean you don't expect him to pass the ball to an empty space.

Ordinarily Ceballos would've passed the ball to an open space while pepe would be expected to make a run for the ball, but pepe has proven to be a player who likes to wait for the ball. He just won't move without the ball at his feet. This can be frustrating for a midfielder born and bred in Spain who has seen how dem Xavi, Iniesta play the ball into open space while Dem David villa and Pedro make a run for it.

Ceballos is miles apart from Guendouzi who recycles possession. Ceballos mostly wants to engage in forward play( this u can tell from some of the balls he gives away in a bid to locate a player hiding in-between defenders).


About two to three times in this match Xhaka was in a position to make defence-splitting pass forward he ended up messing it up.

yeah, I know he's miles better than guen, that's why I added he's a good addition to our midfield. I think I'll watch more of him to really ascertain my observation from him. I was expecting those long range passes as you said...but like you said, Maybe Pepe is the cause of him not giving those passes

iamoyindamola:
That idiot is getting annoying by the day, he should fvck off already.
I hate his body language in games this was the main reason people critised ozil this one will just be strolling on pitch doing nothing

At least, we see moments of creativity with ozil. But Pepe? Hmm. You can't count on him for goals, you can't count on him to create chances(except if he does those his crosses once in a while). It's really frustrating, to beat man one on one now don turn waec, and even if he does, he'll still come back to re-dribble the guy just to enter his left leg. He's really frustrating Mehn!!

Good game. We controlled the tempo and defence did well.
Please, Pepe is getting frustrating by the week. I don't wanna sound as if I'm too complaining but I dunno weda he's still short in confidence or he lacks the skills and decision making for a top club.

I dunno if any one noticed, but I think our transition from midfield to attack is slow and not quick enough. Also, ceballos is a great addition to the midfield, but I feel he gives a lot of back passes and side passes, and somehow delays much on the ball(not like guen tho).... Just my observation, not only in this game, but also against Everton too.

Mari is a great addition to the defence. Good we have 2 ball playing cb in the team
Shout out to Leno too. He's outstanding.

Hoping we get a positive result against Manchester city.

DeadPresidents:
Hope you've realised Manchester United and City did a deal to only beat each other away from home right

Both teams have won their last 4 games out of 6 at the other team's ground.

Both clubs are trolls

PS: that deal does not apply to Arsenal

lol...if you say so.

In that case, we can beat man city at their home...at least, wolves beat them there.

engrelvis:
well said bro....life can cruel.l never knew Rinaldo was dead?

Ronaldo mom isn't dead o... I think he made a mistake. She's just serious ill

Lol... I understand what engrelvis and Capitalcee is saying. You need to go to banks to see how harshly most of these workers are treated, even tho they're paid way less than lingard. Actually, I don't see any personal abuse, just on his abilities he was criticized(tho very harsh), compare with xhaka that his was threatened that they'll kill his daughter(now that's personal). Most footballers may be going through worse issues, but we won't know cos they're performing well. If lingard starts performing well, then all those criticism will stop, if he can't and he can't bear it, then he should start with a clean slate elsewhere by transferring to another club... I think it's easy. But of course, with 100k weekly, will he agree?

Kbs468:
Fans pick for ARSENAL vs West Ham United tomorrow.

Have your say and what do you think about it

Nice...
But we all know Arteta won't play Auba through the middle
His golden boy Nketiah is there

kokaneprodigy:
Any serious manager will bin Xhaka and Guen in the next TW and get a solid DM while retaining Ceb. With the number of CBS we now have and with Saliba coming I see no reason we can’t add Luiz to the DM role in some games. That way we have four potential DMs going into the next season.

Sell Laca get a Left winger that Saka can deputize for while Mati deputizes for Auba. We then splash on that AM position. Next we win the EPL going unbeaten again.

Spot on bro

Fkhalifa:
I think say na only me rate Coquelin, though his forward play is not good enough, but defensively, he's been the best since Alex Song.

Carzola who also wasn't superb defensively, was very smart,technical skillful and uses the ball v.well, both complement each other.

Xhaka was the reason we sold Coq,he was believed to be an upgrade( Swizz and Mochenglach captain).

I remembered when Wenger paired Xhaka and Coq after carzola's injury, Xhaka as usual sits deep and doesn't move, Coq who is more Mobile though lacks good forward play was saddled with the carzola role but performed woefully and that was the beginning of his end..

I didn't like his sale.

Coq and Carzola have been the best pair in recent years..
Xhaka with carzola,Torreira,Ramsey,Guen,Willock hasn't impressed enough IMO.

So a Carzola like and a tall strong Coq is needed to sweet the middle.

Bro, no be only you o. In fact, that season I rated it personally as my best season counting from our first first fa cup success. We even won fa cup again that season I remember. That season was so so dope. Coq-caz-ozil. Mehn, midfield set.
Until the next season Wenger fúcked everything up and moved coq forward the way sarri moved Kante. That just killed everything about coquelin. Xhaka they moved coquelin for in that role have never impressed ever since.

Roland17:
Personally, I like to focus on the next game before even thinking of subsequent games on the schedule. We need maximum points against Westham.

lol...Yeah. Everyone knows we need maximum point. From now on, I pray let those guys take all EPL games as final.

Spy360:
We are getting there.

Like you opined, some players fit in while some don't. Just as Coquelin, he was as OK as Xhaka, just that he fitted well. If not where is he?

Lukaku didn't fit in at United, he is currently the best thing in Italy after Ronaldo. He is on loan.

Drinkwater was bossing the midfield for Leicester a couple of seasons ago, where is he at Chelsea?

I repeat the only players who can fit any where are the exceptional ones you asked me not to mention. Others are within the limits of the teams they play for.

[/b]Now let's agree, Xhaka is okay but doesn't fit in to our desired style of play[b].

?

Baba, you don get am. We don finally reach agreement point.

Spy360:
Okay means good enough, sufficient, etc. Unless you take Okay to mean average.

Like I said, the only players that don't need upgrading are Messi and Ronaldo, probably Neymar and few others. The rest are OKAY.

The thing is that putting together a team takes more than just gathering talents or stars. While those big names can make a difference, they need to be the right names or else you will still struggle. See Galaticos.

[/b]A player like De Bruyne couldn't perform for Chelsea under Mourinho, same as Salah. Then fans may have referred to them as average. Players perform based on many factors including style of play, natural position, team mentality, team tactics, etc.[b]

We may need a big black midfielder now because of our style of play that doesn't mean the players we have there are useless.

Yeah...OK means, just good enough. Nothing exceptionally more.

Lol, wen discussing players, please, let's don't call Ronaldo or Messi biko. Those 2 aren't players but aliens.

The bolded is true, which means we're getting somewhere. While kdb wasn't given chance at Chelsea tho, same with salah, so we can't judge them then..I remember reading an article were kdb literally begged mou to be given chance, but my guy no gree.
Xhaka on the other hand, we've seen him play time and again... But we all know his limited in some basic critical qualities according to his position. Can't tackle, can't push ball forward, No speed and all. So he's just good enough. Even his outside 18 shot have stopped sef. What we need is that "sometimes extra" in his quality and maybe we'll be good. Look at wen we paired coquelin with cazorla(on his peak season). Even tho coq is not scoring, nor assisting, but then we're always confident that once opponents are venturing to our half, they won't find it easy cos he's good at tackles and interceptions. He doesn't over-do and releases the ball quickly. He wasn't world class but we cherished him then...imagine we had that kinda person now partnering ceballos... Mehn, midfield don dope na.
That's the kinda players we want....
Lacazette also na anoda OK player.

BlueRayDick:
Exactly! we all complained bitterly during Wenger's later years of how we never got the needed quality players to make us contenders for the title. Now we still want to be managing "OK players" in 2020 and still expect to be taken seriously.

E no fit work

Wenger years where we were using bendtner as striker, and other OK players. It's no wonder we falter during the course of the season, even tho we had very very good players like nasri and fab.

Spy360:
Lol
You misconstrued the word okay just to justify your point. You mischievous fellow...

Lol...
But to be serious. What the guy says is right. OK players especially in a critical position can hardly give you trophies. We need above OK players in most positions to be truly competitive. What he said is really the truth

pamcode:
De Gea has been first choice for a while now. He already has two senior competitions under his belt and hasn't performed well at any. Let see how he would perform at euros this year.

I'm not even arguing weda he'll do well or not in euros 2020. Also I'm not saying he's better than cech or not(maybe that's what people are misunderstanding me here for), what I'm saying, and I'll keep on saying is de gea is half as good cech and that he produced top and world class performances in prior to 2018 world cup. That shouldn't be swept under the carpet cos of he was below par post 2018 world cup. That's my take