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Spy360:
Google Arsenal FC museum, that's where you see statutory legends.

OK ... I will

Spy360:
Vieira gave the best part of his career to us, same as Lampard to Chelsea. Can you say same of Fabregas? In fact Fabregas made two attempts to leave before he succeeded. He had never hidden his connection for Barça. Arsenal was forced to insert a but back clause to his deal. This itself failed to materialise after his failure with his Barça dream.

bro...
Seems you didn't get our opinion about fab from the onset.
We're just saying the reason he left was was the truth and it's valid.
Just like hazard, he's a Chelsea legend, but that doesn't erase the fact that he flirted with Madrid throughout his stay at Chelsea.
You think if Chelsea wasn't successful he wouldn't have hand in transfer request or left Chelsea b4 last year?
That's all what we're saying about fabregas. Not claiming he should come back to be a legend or not

BlueRayDick:
Bros u could've have clearly said [/b]" For me ó, Henry won't be an arsenal legend if he didn't return and score some goals to appease my chi "[b]



I get Ur point tho

Abi o...
It would have been understandable

BlueRayDick:
Boo keh, he was applauded sef. Midfielder wey score pass Drogba wey be striker for chelsea.

Better player, Better Legend

abi...
Correct better player

Spy360:
Lol, even me nor know.

Well, a statutory legend as it implies is one who is officially recognised by the club. Eg Tony Adams, Denis Bergkamp, Charlie Nicholas, David Seaman. I hope you know people are inducted into our Hall of Fame.

Ordinary legend in this context are those who just make up the record books.

When you mean Statutory legend, do you mean the statue made for them?
I don't know about hall of fame.
But one thing I do know is, Pires, ljumberg, Vieira, Ian wright etc are all legends too.

Also, Ashley Cole is never a legend cos of the way he left arsenal. There is a reason he's called cashley Cole. Same way koscielny won't be called a legend too.

BlueRayDick:
Don't mind spy. That was a gaffe on his part; saying Henry coming back cemented his lgedary status.

Like say Lampard was not already hero at Chelsea even when heater played for man city.

lol...
Even as lampard played for man city. I don't think he received any boos from Chelsea fan sef.

iamoyindamola:
viera is a legend, the reason Ashley wasn't our legend was well explained by blueray.
Although, viera wasn't happy the way he was treated with his transfer to juventus but let's not forget he was also considered to replace Emery and if he wasn't our legend he may not be considered

lol...
I wanted spy to answer it. After all, Vieira didn't do any 2nd coming.
And he left even at his peak, same situation as henry (tho he was eased off cos of fabregas)

Spy360:
I have stated before that I don't hold it against him. [/b]My point was why he raised the issue[b], if he wasn't considering fan's acceptance of him as a club legend?

He left. That matter is dead and buried. We have move on just as Roland17 opined.

why he raised the issue is the reason why he left. And even tho, it's not necessary, but it's the truth.
And the truth is what most arsenal fans have been saying for years. Poor team winning mentality, more average players than good ones and Failed transfer policy.
Tell me if there's no truth in what he said?

Spy360:
Easy.

It's not about his return.

[/b]If you consider the circumstances in which he left, a lot of fans were already against him. His missed chances against Barça in the finals, plus the customised jersey Puyol gave him after the match. Fans easily could have forgotten all the achievements[b].

He could still have gotten his name in our record books but believe me, he would never have gotten that statue in front of Emirates Stadium.

Back to the point of argument, should Fabregas receive the same treatment as Henry?

Tbh, I don't see how the bolded would have stopped him from been a legend.
Haba bro....

To your question...
Why will fabregas receive same treatment as henry when he did not do half of what Henry did.
C'mon bro?

BlueRayDick:
Bros this is your post which I objected to:

"Henry left for Barca under similar circumstances but found a way to return to the club even scoring goals again and retiring here. That's what has qualified him as a legend"

U specifically said it was about his return. That was why I entred the discussion. That was the only reason I quoted u to disagree with that and let u know Henry was arguably our best player in modern day football. Nobody comes close to him based on what he achieved in his time at the club b4 joining barca.

I don't know why u are changing mouth.....maybe cos u agree Ur initial assertion maybe far from the truth sha. No wàhálà

na dat him "Even scoring goals again" dey funny me.
Person wey hear am go think say him score at least 10goals in all competition that season

Spy360:
One thing is to be a legend, another is to have legendary status.
Henry became a statutory legend because he finished with us. Same cannot be said of someone like Ashley Cole for example.

Ronaldo can be a United legend, but he won't have the official status.

If I get you right...
Are you saying Ashley Cole is a legend, but doesn't have legendary status?
Lol...
Please, what's the difference between being a legend and having a legendary status?

Spy360:
Forgive me if my opinion doesn't tally with yours, just understand me.


Drogba gave the best part of his career to Chelsea. Coming back to finish there is a huge bonus.

Rooney gave his best part for United, he doesn't need to finish there, he has legendary status.

Fabregas left at his peak, he failed in his attempt to return back when he could still do things. He shouldn't expect us to rename London Colney after him.

Look at Arteta, came from Everton, gave us his peak career, left, came back to manage us in this trying times. He only needs a title to have his name besides Emirates.

Welcome to the Arteta Emirates Stadium

For Arteta it's true if he achieves something with us. He'll surely be crowned a legend.
I'm trying to understand you, but wen what you're saying is wrong, then I don't know how I'll understand you. Nobody, I mean, NOBODY, will agree with you (esp arsenal fans) that henry needed a 2nd coming to cement his legendary status

Wanna ask you a quick question
Would you call Vieira a legend or not?
Yes or No, I would want reason for you answer.

Spy360:
So you get the drift?

lol..what drift?
Nobody says fab is a legend, or should be crowned one.
What we said was, all those his speech he gave concerning his transfer away from arsenal are valid and true.
Most arsenal fans who are logical won't hold it against him.

Spy360:
You are having double views o. How is RVP different from Fabregas?

Both left at their peaks.

I'm not having double views. Why I won't blame any top player for leaving arsenal back then cos of how the mentality of the club is...I will sure blame Rvp. Why?
Roland, Blueray and Sod gave the perfect answer.
We stuck with him wen he needed us most, wen it's time to pay the loyalty, he handed over transfer request.

Roland17:
What did he expect from the fans? Praises? Claps?

I personally hold nothing against players who seek greener pastures away from Arsenal and this is because we have failed a lot of good/great players but RVP's is not one of them.

Dude was glass footed and almost needed a bubble wrap to play, yet, the club remained loyal against the warnings of many. He was only a hairline better than Diaby at staying fit. If RVP had any respect for the club, no amount of goading, including insults should have warranted that level.

[/b]Now that everything is done and dusted, they are now looking for avenues to claim legendary status at Arsenal, especially since the clubs they ditched Arsenal for don't even regard them as fans worth more legends[b]......

Abegi, let them move on, we have moved on.

#weknowourlegends

lol...
Bitter truth

BlueRayDick:
Gbam!

This Rvp snitch matter is one thing I know every arsenal fan agree on.

I wasnt pissed seeing Fabrgas in Chelsea colors, even Adbayor's 100m.senior boys run in front of our fans didn't get me riled up.....but that can persie treachery is the reason why I will always want the club to dispose any young or old player that is trying to be unfortunate.

I say no to giving a player the whole time in gbé world to improve, only for the improvement tí come and u drop a transfer request. Lailai

spot on

Fkhalifa:
Success and maybe Money will only retain top players.
Its a natural phenomenon, only the Steven Gerrard and few are interested in legendary status.
I personally was surprised to see Kosc and Rosciky stayed long, this days, you'll hardly see that.

OX's recent transfer to Liverpool( doing well and winning top trophies) could mean our youngsters may ditch us for a bigger club or even to a rival. No much loyalty in football this days.
They'll then appreciate us with a tweet of "This UCL victory against spurs is a win for the gunners", " This 7-3 win at spurs is dedicated to Arsenal "

And that'll be like a trophy for us on social media

[/b]A club of Arsenal's standard should be able to field a quality starting 11(I don't mean big names), good enough to compete every week, and stops looking like a One man team[b] like in the case of Auba,Sanchez,Carzola,V.persie Fabregas and Nasri.

lol... There's no surprise for rosicky and koscielny staying long in arsenal.
Rosicky was injury prone too, by the time he almost recovered, he was already old. No one would have bought him.
Koscielny, even tho he was good for us, really didn't impress any top club. No matter the speculation, he was never in the news for transfer (either rumors or confirmed) so I guess that's what made him stayed long. For his manner of exit sef at arsenal proves that if any serious offer came, he would have forced his way out.

Your bolded part is what I feel Arteta wants to achieve with arsenal (at least that's what I'm hoping on). To get to that phase, he needs to drill in the winning mentality into the players, and from what I'm seeing so far, I think there's improvement. With that, he can build on from there. Once we have that kinda team, no one will become indispensable ( man city and Liverpool comes to mind)

iamoyindamola:
Who wouldn't insult that snitch of a player, [/b]he doesn't most of his career in the hospital only to have a great season then snapped he deserved better[b].
Come on
As for adebayor, Africa players and the mercenary (money) spirit is always in them

Thank you bro, @the bolded.
This is the grouse most of us are having with rvp that I want ChristineC to see.
Not necessarily the goal celebration or trophy he won.

ChristineC:
that's why it's emotional outburst and not logic.
RvP was 29, Arsenal was in limbo. not like he was from the academy or smthn, easy choice for him.
City offered a more lucrative deal yet he showed it's not about retirement package.

I agree he's no Arsenal legend.

Well, it's his decision. To him, all is well that ends well(after all he won what he desired most)... But to us, he was a big betrayer cos of how we stood by him during his trying times.
Most clubs would have booted him out like Chelsea to a smaller unknown club, and he wouldn't have even have the opportunity to even think of his personal ambition, not to talk of moving to man u.

ChristineC:
let's be truthful here, the first goal he scored against Arsenal wasn't celebrated. the fans goaded (nay insulted) him non stop till he snapped.
he didn't have beef with Arsenal, it was a pursuit of his personal ambition.
[/b]talk about Adebayor and that's beef[b].

Even with what adebayor did against us(the run up celebration), do you know fans hated rvp more than him?

ChristineC:
let's be truthful here, the first goal he scored against Arsenal wasn't celebrated. the fans goaded (nay insulted) him non stop till he snapped.
he didn't have beef with Arsenal, it was a pursuit of his personal ambition.

True...he didn't act crazy at first when he scored the first goal against us.
I'm not talking about his celebration against us wen he scored, I'm talking about how he left us wen we needed him most, wen we stood at him at his critical time. Nobody is against his personal ambition, what most are angry for is the loyalty he destroyed when we needed him.
He just gave arsenal 1 season. If he had stayed put at least till the 2nd full injury-free season, I'm sure no one will have hated him the way we do.

That's just my take, not necessarily the goal celebration he did against us.

ChristineC:
so you couldn't even be happy for him that [/b]the man had a trophy to show for his efforts in the league?[b]

village people?

lol...
So also is fabregas, nasri, song and others.
Why is rvp own different.
Cos he snitched big time and insulted the club who made him who he was and stood by him during his injury woes not just 1yr or 2yr, but more than that.

Na diz kain thing most girls dey go mountain naked for night dey rain curses wen their ex-boyfriend they suffered with during his trying period, and after him don mk am finish, he dumped her and still insulted her on top.
Lol
Will you call such chik "village people"?.
I doubt you will

BlueRayDick:


How did u come about the bold part of Ur post?

Henry has been a legend b4 coming back and scoring goals na. His coming back was not what qualified him a legend o; it was what he achieved at the club that made him one Jare.

I wonder o....
Still surprised he said so like the 2nd coming added or subtracted anything from his legendary status

Spy360:
I am not blaming them or anybody for leaving. What I am saying is that leaving is a choice, and when you leave you don't become a legend, no matter the reason. [/b]There are players who stuck to their clubs despite years of trophylessness and obscurity. Their clubs now regard them as legends[b].

If you may recall, Fabregas had always wanted to join Barcelona. He said so himself, but he thought Barca would have any regards for him, unfortunately, it wasn't so, and then he wanted to come back to Arsenal but Wenger opted him to go to Chelsea for some cash, and then the story ends.

Henry left for Barca under similar circumstances but found a way to return to the club even scoring goals again and retiring here. That's what has qualified him as a legend.

Henry would have still been a legend whether he did the 2nd coming to arsenal or not. He's already paid his legendary dues before he left for barca. Coming back the 2nd time doesn't confirm anything. Just like drogba, his 2nd coming to Chelsea have no impact on his legendary status. He was already a legend before he left Chelsea.

Tell me any elite player that stuck to a club during the trophyless years , when the said player is not a local boy to that club growing up.
Is it Gerrard that's a lifelong Liverpool fan wen he was young, grew up at Merseyside and Liverpool run through his veins, or totti(same situation at AS Roma). That's why I named wilshere as someone who would have stayed at arsenal for long, no matter how underachieving we were if not for injuries, cos he's really a local boy, and he dearly loved arsenal (just like arsenal blood were running through his veins).

Now to the bolded.
Name me at least, 2 top players that stayed at a particular club during their barren spells when that said top player isn't a local boy, let's see (at least, from year 2000 upwards).

Fkhalifa:
Should Martinelli,Guendozi,Saliba,Saka and other youngsters mature into world class players, I can assure you, they'll tow the path of Fabregas,v persie and others.
Forget the current love and loyalty.

It depends. If we're still underachieving, sure they'll leave. But if not, I don't think most will leave.
Success retains top players at a particular club.

iamoyindamola:
Till tomorrow I'm yet to get over him playing for United.
[/b]E pain me die then he scored against us and fvcking vamelaen was wearing his jersey after the match[b].
No wonder fabregas said some players don't care about the club.
During viera/Henry time they dare not swap jerseys because it was war from beginning to end

Lol, vermaelen try na. Shey na after match?
Andre Santos wey swap Jersey with van persie for halftime nko?

Mehn, we later had players who doesn't know the meaning of rivalries. That's why no one should hold fab, nasri, Sanchez responsible for jumping ship. The mentality of the players was so so so damn poor.

iamoyindamola:
Nasri started with attitude and he mocked us, but that rvp that nigger is a snitch.
Main reason I don't like wengay, players are treating you bad you paying them back good

Rvp was a bigger snitch no doubt. That guy left us wen we needed him most after staying with him through his injury woes. Just cos of one world class season he had with us. Mtcheww!!

BlueRayDick:
Van persie is the reason why I will never support the club giving any player as many years as possible to prove themselves.

He's the reason why I will support the sale of I wobi over and over again.

Once a player fails to live to expectation either due to injury or just failing to grow from potential to full blown star, I say we sell him.

Van Persie was given the whole time in the world to overcome his injury woes. At a time he was literally being paid to stay in the hospital. Only for him to ditch the team immediately he had one full good season.

That is why I still feel the club didn't do anything wrong letting Carzola go.

I swear bro... Rvp fùcked up big time. I support you on that iwobi sale tho, even tho I never really liked we sold him. Who knows, maybe he'll do anoda rvp on us wen him finally blow

iamoyindamola:
I don't blame anyone of them including nasri and Sanchez.
The only person I blame and hate is rvp that snitch had a good season then left us although he also complained about the players he was playing with as not good enough

You see Sanchez, I don't blame him, even up till now, I still feel he made the right decision. But nasri, I hated him cos of way he started treating arsenal after he started winning trophies.
Rvp was just an ingrate, after everything arsenal did for him during his injury woes.
How will I be a top player, and I'll be surrounded by mediocre players with poor winning mentality. It's so so sad

iamoyindamola:
Loud it bro even Henry later ran away

Bro... I must loud am o.
Lol

iamoyindamola:
That man ruined us imagine the players fabregas and nasri had to play with the likes of chamakh, frimpong, squailashi et Al
It was during that time clubs and players stop taking us serious with transfer cos they know wengay will price or reduce them cheaply

Wenger was a genius no doubt. But he was just contented with top4. I remember 2012/2013 season, after our loss to Tottenham. After that match, our top4 and champions league hope were in danger, arsenal went from March to may(almost 3 months) unbeaten, just to reclaim the top4 spot back. But if it's league were going for, where would have crashed to 3rd or 4th straight.
Wenger killed the winning mentality of arsenal then, that they saw qualifying for champions league a big big achievement.
If you're an ambitious player, why won't you flee away from the club?
I'll never ever have any grudge against fabregas cos I saw how he played his heart out for us, and left without causing any rancour. Is he a legend? No. But did he made the right decision? A mighty yes.

Spy360:
They left. That's why they can't be our legends. Simple. Using Wenger's errors as excuse is lame, childish and insensitive.

A club that isn't successful will have very few legend especially wen the environment is not set for him to thrive on.
Henry that we all shout that he is a legend, is really a legend cos the environment then was set for him to thrive then. When the weak mentality entered the team (post veira and bergkamp time), he flee from us and went to barca. He even shortchanged arsenal sef. You think if he came during the era of fabregas, he wouldn't have ran away from arsenal like fabregas?... Lol
Saying it's lame and insensitive is not fair on fabregas. Even as a fan, I knew how many times I was angry wen we know we needed a position filled just to become a title challenger and Wenger bottles it. And he repeats the cycle, year in year out. It's only someone unambitious and let's say a local boy(like wilshere) that will stay put. As long as you're not in this 2 categories and you're an elite footballer, it's a fact that you must run away from a club if you're not successful.
All fab says there is the truth and anybody that thinks otherwise then have blind love for Wenger.