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User09:
Ask them to name the only player from Chelsea to win the European Player of the Year medal.

Shame no one ever won it till the carry along came

You go see as dem go do as if dem no see am

andrewbaba44:
Person wey carry 3rd for ballon d or

Na the only person wey carry 3rd for balon dor yet him own fans hate am.

If to say dem no deh use am win trophies, e for deh valid but him don win trophies for them well yet na so so dragging even match wey him no deserve am

lordfalcao:
or connect every goal to how it's the lack of DM structure

Lol.. na this one surprise me pass.

Then once any goal is conceded, they will trace it to Jorginho
If Chelsea no score, they'll trace it to Jorginho.

With Caicedo and Enzo, I no dey ever hear pimm again even though same problem persists

Ihebu4chelsea:
Europa, Ucl,Super cup,Club world cup!! All European trophies. .....

Good, at least you've clarified he's one of those that gave you these trophies

Lush100:
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Let him continue,
He is yet to understand progression.(but the potential us there.
Zinny does but neglects defensive awareness.
Xhaka is calling at Bayern Luverkensen.

Let Kiwor reach that arch on his learning curve. Zinny already knows his abilities.


We need people who can slot in easily.

Once he understands the progression we can have Zinny back and even Timber.
Taking him off will not let him fully develop.
Zinny should come in next.
Timber should take his time to heal.
I want a confident Kiwor and or any player can slot in and we would be confident the level will not drop albeit different skill set.

Cool, very very fair point.

Roland17:
How we wan take so this Kiwior situation? To be honest, since he came in for Zinny against Liverpool, he has been spectacular and the biggest credit should go to Arteta.

He is playing confident and Arteta has kept things very simple for him with that back 4. He is in a good run of form, provides aerial threat and now adding goals…do we change that? Or allow him continue as a starter?

Regarding everything with respect to what you've said in the 2nd paragraph What's your own opinion?

Ihebu4chelsea:
Untill you win a major silveware with your System and beautiful football with J5! For now Keep quiet.

Mr "Chelsea decorate Starter Jorginho with medals"

andrewbaba44:
It’s more like Jorginho carried them to medals

It's very Obvious na

Na only from some Chelsea fans you go dey hear say their club give a certified starter medal.

Dem think say dem go just Siddon for house medals go come meet players

See him mouth like " It was Chelsea that decorate Jorginho with medals"

raumdeuter:
This for make sense if Jorginho didn't win with Italy as one of the best players

Leave dem with their double mouth. They'll be the first to say dey gave Jorginho medal but will never acknowledge that he's a starter in all those matches.

Someone will think he's a Cole Palmer that Man City gave medal

mostob:
Something tells me Arteta might be another Wenger. He might just retire here. Even if he is going to leave, he will likely spend about 10 years here before leaving. Although that will depend on a lot of things.

Yeah, it'll depend on a lot of things but I believe he'll stay here for long as long as he performs.

The kind work wey him do for here e no go easy to leave am go another side oo except of course he's won alot of trophies here and he just want a different challenge

Ihebu4chelsea:
For your info, Chelsea decorated J5 with Medals! Your's is just System and Good football. System ko good football ni

it's only when e reach medal you go claim say Jorginho carry am with Chelsea.

Flip the narrative and say Jorginho is instrumental to all those medals won since he's a starter and you'll start hearing stupid shalayes

You people gave Jorginho medal yen yen yen like say na academy or bench player

Ihebu4chelsea:
This una system self! Wetin una dun achieve?? Good football without silverwares. It will be a big disgrace if Arsenal cannot win a major trophy this season. Banter aside, No big club in the world can have this type of good form and end up with nothing at the end. Dont Rejoice yet!!

Lol... Who's rejoicing?

Because I said Jorginho isn't as bad as potrayed and that he's excelling at our system that's what you're calling rejoicing?

Abeg no make me laugh

Ibime:
What was our position on the day Jorginho left, Mr shalaye. Jorginho was a starter till he left.

Jorginho that was getting subbed off and in some matches he didn't even start unlike him that's always always a starter and a finisher of matches.

Yeah, Jorginho is the one that's making Chelsea still at 11th after 1bn pounds spent.

Clap for yourself

mostob:
A Rice -Jorginho pivot will give us the maximum control and allow us build up with efficiency. We need a profile like Havertz. A big target man that can serve as an outlet whenever we decide to bypass the press with long balls. Unfortunately, Havertz is an off the ball player. Man plays as if the ball go bite him. To compensate for this, one of the FBs will invert and form double pivot with Rice and Havertz will stay up top. Another option is for Ode to drop alongside Rice in a double pivot. Both options are kinda faulty because the position vacated by the inverted FB will be exposed, and for the second option, it is beneficial for the team if Ode stays up top. It is kind of a big dilemma but come on, no be me dey collect millions weekly to think up a solution.

At the end of the day, it is all about being unpredictable.

Yeah, I agree with you on this completely. Especially that Havertz as a CF to bypass press, it works very very well. And all your analysis here are spot on and I share same sentiments.

For now Jorg, Rice and Odegaard.
While we go deh wait for Partey

Thank goodness he's almost back and white is playing that inverted well. I just don't want let Arteta head touch for that Partey inverted nonsense again

Lush100:
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Haha....he's obsessed.
Arteta go Man-U. Person wey jump Man City and Barca.

The ogogoro he drank is too watery.
He need improved weed.

Arteta wey I dey see so prefer Arsenal to Man-U.
Barca may be his fav

With the kind work he did at arsenal I doubt he'll even go to another place like Man u or Barca to start afresh to redo what he did at arsenal especially now that's the time to reap what he has sown.

Ferdinand just deh look for mouth but the good thing is that they really recognise the good things he's done here and to me that's a big compliment

WhoDeyHause:
We are already nearing the business end of the season so we will see if jod.era still has nice things to say about freulho as the weeks go past.

If I didn't say bad things about him at the end of last season even though we lost out on the league why will I say bad things about him now especially when he's performing.

Also, this here is what I'm talking about. If you have to wait till the business end of the season in order to villify Jorginho, then he isn't as bad as you people are claiming. If you have to wait till the last 2 months of the season to see the real Jorg neglecting the other 6-7 months then he's not bad as he's made out to be.

But anyways, you can keep on waiting while we keep on appreciating him with our system. Shebi Una don deh enjoy Una Enzo.

Ibime:
You shalaye too.much only to concede that other players cary Jogginghoe and he is a system player

FYI Jogginghoe left us in 10th position and that is where we find ourselves today

The issue with some of this talk is that you people have equated system players to mean carry along players and you've so hammered on it that most readers are believing the lie.

System players are not carry along players in anyway. It just means their skillset is best effective with a particular system than a random one. You think all Players must be Pace and Pawa before they must be acknowledged or that that's the only recognisable skillset

That's how you people claimed Busquet is a carry along yet anytime they buy your type of DM at their peak to go to Barca to displace him they always end up at his back (literally). They end up playing CB from Yaya to Song to Mascherano. Especially the latter two who were bought at the peak of their powers.

And finally, Jorginho didn't leave you at 10th. He has already lost his starting spot at Chelsea and he left during the January transfer window. But then I'm not surprised it's coming from you, even though Jorg Is at arsenal for more than a year now, you still claim his spirit is disturbing you guys

mostob:
Rio Ferdinand: "Mikel Arteta would leave Arsenal to join Man United, 100 per cent,” he told FIVE.

"No one is saying it’s happening but if Man United in a wild dream said, ‘do you know what, Erik ten Hag, thank you’ or Erik ten Hag has been poached by Bayern Munich, and he goes there, and then Man United say top of the list is Arteta, Arteta is going in and saying to the lads, ‘listen guys, it’s been emotional but I’ve got to move, I’ve got to go.’"


This guy's weed supplier needs to upgrade abeg

Person weh no gree go Barca na Man u him go come go?

Lol, na just advert him dey try advertise Arteta to Man u and see if they can tempt him. Same thing Ferguson did to us with Van Persie

mostob:
Ian Wright: "Jorginho for me, I don’t know if it’s because he’s like a metronome, it makes us feel like when we start to go into that area where we need to start getting through them, him being there makes me feel better than it just being Declan and Kai and Martin. Him being there for some reason gives us that something else which makes me feel more comfortable." [@IanWright0, @WrightysHouse via @tbrfootball] #arsenalfanaticsnews

And the unwanted stone shall become the cornerstone.

Even Ian Wright is saying Jorge, Rice and Odegaard combination is the best for now and if you look at it deeply, it's true.

While Havertz can be a good pressing player especially in the defensive phase in midfield but his offensive strength is poor. He's not a ball progresor, he doesn't give creative pass, he's not press resistant.
Rice and Odegaard are Real ball progressor and press resistant as well as all good defensively. Odegaard himself is king of creative pass. While Jorginho at the base complements them with his passes from deep and line breaking pass. This is something I felt we lacked against Porto reason why we were just passing round and round their mid block cos we couldn't transition defence to attack.

Havertz as a 9 will help us in all these tough games due to his aerial presence and interplay. Even though I prefer Jesus to 9 but I'll never be sad seeing Havertz playing 9.

mostob:
Ian Wright: "Jorginho for me, I don’t know if it’s because he’s like a metronome, it makes us feel like when we start to go into that area where we need to start getting through them, him being there makes me feel better than it just being Declan and Kai and Martin. Him being there for some reason gives us that something else which makes me feel more comfortable." [@IanWright0, @WrightysHouse via @tbrfootball] #arsenalfanaticsnews

And the unwanted stone shall become the cornerstone.

Aminn!!

Spy360:
So Havertz haven't shocked you yet with all his performances in his first season?

Lmaooo... Which performance?

He's just flowing with the team right now. He's improved from his first 2 months admittedly but that's just like improving from 2/10 to 5/10

Let him use this his present performance and play for Man u or Chelsea whether dem no go use stone pursue am

airmark:
You are the Arsenal version of Tim.bros.

airmark:
Is Jorginho a sissy as an individual player?

Did I single him out as a sissy player or as a group combination?

airmark:
Is he a sissy or not?

With Havertz and Viera combination you meant?

With Odegaard and Rice combination, he's a classy player

odizeey:
Ten Hag has one ego that will destroy him. Apart from that, he should be fine.

He should go and let his ego finish him somewhere else.

Fair enough then

airmark:
You called him a sissy.

Based on this post, it seems you believe other players are carrying him in the team. So, he is still a sissy that you tagged him.

He's a system player. He style of play needs a good system to flourish and there's nothing Wrong about that

airmark:
I have typed it here numerous times that Jackson, wasn't ready and should be loaned out as he is still raw. In fact, I wanted another striker in August, so that he could develop for future.

Meanwhile, the way you 'changed mouth' on a player you called sissy within few months, indicates that you may also 'change mouth' on Madueke, before the season ends.

Of course, Everyone knows Jorginho isn't strong and Viera with Havertz is the two worst combination you'll pair with him. No ball progresors, no valid creators, how do you expect me to watch the match?

Like I said, Jorginho with our first 11 quality players mostly performs. He has his flaws but he's not as bad as you people made him out to be

odizeey:
Okay. What has the Arteta done for you guys other than beautiful football after the terrible football with trophies.

Maybe he shouldn't have stopped playing teribble football.

We want trophies and good football. We don't want one. We want both.

I also say it here that Ten Hag have experience trophy -wise in managing his team compared to Arteta so yeah, there's high probability that with a stable and good environment he'll deliver trophies as well as good football quickly compared to Arteta

As for Arteta, we're already done in setting/playing the good football , the next is trophies which we're in that phase and we're already gunning for.

All these things is about Process sha. That's why the perfect model I always admire and look up to is Klopp and Liverpool. I remember defending him even when others are calling him bottler. Now, he's rated as one of the best or top 2 coaches in the world

Spy360:
Ok. No problem.

You will still change mouth for Havertz

I've said it that let Havertz shock me and I'll be glad if he makes me eat my words on him.

I've said it here countless times, all I'm interested in is the progress of Arsenal and that means everybody should be of great quality.

If Havertz shock me continuously, na me go be the first person to tender apology to him.

Some of these things no deh complicated. Na we deh complicated am with unnecessary ego

airmark:
If you could 'change mouth' on Jorginho, you can do anything.

Change is constant and change is good. The Koko is what are you changing for?

See everybody insulting Jackson now as a Striker(rightly so), if next season and onwards he turns out a world class striker, me I go "change mouth" and acknowledge him, I no go hide am. But I trust you that you won't acknowledge him because you don't want to be seen as "someone that changes mouth"

FBS:
I still think Arteta bought himself some space by winning 2 trophies? in this first season.
Why would you sack him?

Ten Hag also bought himself some space by winning trophy and taking them back to champions League. The issue is what happens after that?. Both played terrible football, like very very terrible football and results aren't showing on the pitch after some acquisitions so the fans are rightfully asking them to be sacked.


I'm just giving reasons why Ten Hag might not be as bad as he's presently showing because of how the environment is. Afterall we all saw how coveted he was in a stable environment

lordfalcao:
we saw this things long ago.

If jorginho was still in this club, with the acquisition of Enzo and caicedo that midfield has everything needed.

But citadels and self esteemed pundits thought one man was the problem

Most of them deh shame to talk am now. They know the truth that Enzo with his much hype is never an upgrade but you go see them keep quiet. If na Jorginho, they'll start giving you history of how he didn't tackle anyone from opponents half that's why the ball ended at the back of their net.

With the way they villified Jorginho here you'd think once he's sold all their problems is automatically solved not knowing that it's more than that.